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God knows there were plenty to be had.
I see. So in the first part of your post you say that it is a fact that Benn has actually lied. And then in the last part of your post you say that he's too smart to lie because he's an attorney.
I'll take open contradictions in terms for 200 Alex
Okay. So you've labeled Bruce as being a liar as a matter of your opinion. Is it your contention that we are allowed to call the CEO a liar as long as we qualify it with an acronym like JMO.
What about the terms psychopath and scumbag? How does an unqualified psychiatric evaluation become a subject that is on topic? If it is deemed on topic, why couldn't someone use the term pedophile as a matter of opinion as well?
Remember, no one is required to prove anything. These are simply statements of opinion. JMO
I'm simply taking an extreme interest in knowing just how far we can push this thing. When I see one poster call Bruce a psychopath, a liar, and scum, I wonder exactly how far we can go with the constant personal insults until it might be deemed off topic.
Who knows? Maybe at some point someone will actually develop some guidelines to maintain A certain level of common decency. Maybe someone will actually insist that calling the CEO a psychopathic liar and a scumbag doesn't actually bring anything relevant to the table.
I simply followed up on your level of insults by using the term pedophile when describing the CEO. Is there any rule against that? Didn't attack another poster. Didn't mention anyone by name never made any insinuation either. By the way, don't purport to tell me what I've read and what I have not read.
Shameless promotion. Get real, dude.
This thing is cratering. Really disappointing. Bruce is really letting shareholders down. I know there's other things going on, but he needs to get his head out and start touting some success if he really has what he claims.
It's interesting that you use cancer as an example. Just because you cannot see the Cure does not mean a cure doesn't exist. There is a scenario by which you hang on to the Cure and it benefits you as its proprietor. But I don't think you're too anxious to understand why Bruce would do that
It's easy to extrapolate failure when all you site is negative stuff and all you know is negative stuff. Once again, as I have stated time and time again, it's the information you don't know that is skewing the results of what you called due diligence
Same song and dance about he doesn't have it. Still no proof.
That's a wonderful job of prefacing Bruce's statement by using the word "probably". Probably is a qualifying term which means you don't know. Still waiting for you to post those beta tests and field tests that you claim were failures.
Awesome! Then you should be able to show us in writing what Bruce showed you. Surely you still have the very documentation you claim as proof. We're all waiting.
Finally, some actual documented proof. Thanks so much for that! We're all waiting for that.
Becoming a customer does not necessarily lift the NDA. The NDA is lifted because they do not want anyone to understand the information behind the success of the product. You are a veteran at this, right?
That's kind of my point. You can't possibly know if the beta and field tests failed for sure because everything is under an NDA.
When you use the NDA argument as an excuse, everything's hunky-dory. When Bruce uses it, he's a spinmeister and a scam artist.
In reference to Albert Einstein, it took him 2 years to have successful filament development. In other words, he failed until he succeeded. We are in much a same situation here except that Bruce is attempting to improve technology on something that is already existing whereas Einstein was developing an entirely New Concept
By that logic, Thomas Edison would also be considered a failure. His Thousand failures were all just a Prelude to Ultimate success.
I'm still waiting to see any reports or actual data from one of these beta tests and field tests. Haven't seen any proof of that
That's not gonna happen. Been here for 2 years and haven't seen proof of failure or success
Not too sure about that. He seems to have made some statements that are pretty cut-and-dry.
I hope you're right. This forum certainly has an interesting dichotomy. There are a handful of those that believe the product is a complete failure and then there are those that believe it does exactly as Bruce says. All I can say is that we know for sure both camps can't be right.
I appreciate that heartfelt, genuine response. I'm pretty much in the same boat with you on that one. The silence factor is definitely discouraging and it raises red flags for me.
I know that silence can be a good sign, but it can also be a sign of failure and a lack of personal character in admitting that failure. The most important characteristic of a company is its leadership. The most important characteristic of leadership is moral courage. Sometimes you have to tell the truth even if it makes you look like a buffoon. I'm beginning to fear that Bruce either lacks that moral character or has just developed a severe lack of respect for his shareholders. We definitely deserve better than what he is providing currently. I am sincerely weary of his lack of communication.
Again, a quick question for those of us that are positive on Bruce and vldi:
At what point do you begin to question the veracity of this company?
In other words what is a drop dead date at which you begin to turn from being a cheerleader into more of a skeptic?
Again, I direct this question to those that are on more of the positive side at this point.
I'm kind of wondering at what point you start having doubts about things being "all good". It is true that you have been saying it for years with no significant steps forward in the areas of Revenue.
How long do you think it will be before everything being "all good" comes to fruition?
Yeah, I'm long but don't have a well versed technical background. I guess I've read enough to be dangerous and believe in the vldi approach.
I wouldn't necessarily characterize this company as holding strong. It's staying power exists but is extremely Limited in nature. I've seen a few ebs and flows, but I don't think our little company is holding Strong by any means.
I think a more proper characterization was the role of the dice phrase. If vldi has it, it's worth could be astronomical. But I think that most in this forum know that this is a Gamble.
That's actually a fascinating question. Why does this stock continue to even exist If the product supporting it has experienced such massive failure? That's what leads me to believe that there are several unknowns in this formula.
He can't report what isn't there.
You're still missing it. Think. Under what scenario would it be advantageous to not have publicly known contracts or recurring revenues?
I think we're all witnessing the greatest execution of a business plan in history. Truly amazing
If Bruce claims any quarterly revenues or ongoing revenues if doesn't help what he's trying to accomplish. Does anyone else understand that?
Here's a better question: do you have proof they haven't made any real sales? What proof do you have that clients have walked away?
Okay, so at what point does anything involved with application or code testing become a material event?
The disclosure of the ganthet deal was designed to tell potential clients that validian would be utilizing a messaging application for its demonstrations. It gave ganthet a little exposure.
I've asked you numerous times to give me proof that any European or other Continental firms ran away, walked away, or strayed away from validian and you have offered nothing. Saying it over and over ad nauseum does not make it true.
You're not getting any of this! At what point would a large or major corporation decide to offer a buyout to Bruce?
Not kidding in the least. How would it benefit them?
If hundreds or thousands lined up to install VP, what good would it do validian to report it?
No one on this board has proven that nobody wants validian product either. It's easy to speculate unless you know what goes on behind closed doors.
I certainly have nothing against anyone that swing trades this stock. But the problem with that is that if vldi really does have the technology, you can get caught with a weak position on a company that has acquisition potential.
That doesn't mean that anybody walked away from the product.
So once again you're speculating that you know that somebody walked away from the product but you don't actually know. Is that correct?
How do you know that the OEM walked away? What quote do you have from a reliable officer of that OEM that indicates they walked away.
Would that be the same software engineers that haven't been able to solve the problem?
That's true. All of that stuff was designed in a short amount of time. The result? None of them are immune to hacking.
There could be numerous applications already utilizing this middleware and none of us would know the difference.
If my theory is correct, this is EXACTLY how you would execute it.
You couldn't be more correct. No one has gone ON RECORD stating that they use the fabled system.
PERHAPS IT'S NEVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN.
I'm interested. I could use a good laugh
A sudden Revelation that Validian has populated 10,000,000 endpoints would certainly raise some eyebrows and possibly even cause a minor buyout offer.
Wouldn't it make more sense to keep those 10 million endpoints under your hat and wait to engage in some kind of Revelation until 200 million or even more endpoints were populated?
Just a theory of mine. By the time Validian reveals the power of its endpoints, the price of a buyout would be phenomenal.