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yes, agree, tortured logic
sums it up perfectly....and the AOT is as
safe as Einstein's theories and any doubters
who strain to find doubts and 'substantive' arguments
are trapped either in a tortured psyche
or a job which entails pretending that the computer
keyboard is the only substance required
or both
Thank you Zerosnoop
for taking the trouble to present a solid
and academic rebuttal of what I never read...
and thanks also for being undeletable in responding to
what are always personal attacks of one sort
or another..even when dressed up in a pseudo-
academic style..especially when assuming, as a starter,
that either
we investors cannot research or remember the actual
contents of documents or the actual sequence of events
thinking about one AOT in Kansas
or a skid of them at any place
IMO these units will amount to diddly squat in the final
reckoning
more than ANYTHING ELSE they are tantalising as symbols
of unknown data and the God NDA
leaving aside all the oppression of that NDA and 10q
(with the virtually pornograghic allure of ' arrangements
have not been made for the return of the AOT'...and - not
quite as cute - ' it might not be re-deployed' elsewhere -)
we have the luxury of overwhelming evidence across the
board of what the NDA is almost certainly not revealing..
our problem - with regard to the little matter known as
TIME - is the scale of AOT's success
and, within that success, its versatility..
which new talents and capacities and connectivities are being found out day by day and as the best test sites so far have been utilised..
as a seasoned Long it's not just that I have had to stop
looking at my watch...it's more that I have sold it..
News before Christmas
this likelihood would appear to be
restricted to the acquisition ..
if the cash can be raised without a
purchase order
shame
after all the hullaballoo about dates in October
etc etc
so...How to SPICE UP December ?
er...how about Trans Canada will have to be
first and ahead of Kinder Morgan?
or...Trans C and STWA have been so close for so long,
there's got to be a baby for Christmas..?
or...Will it be that us bearded longs (candidates for
Father Christmasses downtown)..will be cheered
by the Acquisition ..
surely the JHS is not going to sneak in there ?
how delicious to know that the nervous investors
will soon have no reason to be selling on the cheap
so that the Doomists and Scamheads can buy them
they really will have nothing left to re-cycle.
except of course that Cecil Kyte was supposedly spotted
downtown...dressed up as Father Christmas or a Wise Man..
taking refuge from the SEC etc..
come on Gregg, give us a reason to be
absolutely jolly
what a relief to have no particular dates
or deadlines or phrases to speculate about
we just have to wait
for the first of many
Thanks Shrimclim and co
for confirming the substance of STWA's position via
Gregg's expertise - and I have to believe that his relative
disfunction or disbelief in PR will serve us well in the
long term.
As I rummage around for possible worries (and thus feed
the Usual Suspects who think the real substance lies in their
exploitation of an airing of said worries)....
I wonder what STWA's competition is looking like these days....and if, for example, we or anyone would know about it if Trans Canada was trying out an alternative version (also governed by an NDA)
anyway, happy thanksgiving, belatedly
enough money in the bank??
A minor point for consideration..
As I understand it, it is a serious factor that a company
must have enough funds to service any kind of order...even if
it is a small or new company, no larger or large company is going to be comfortable in placing an order with it if there is not enough working capital to deal with all relevant circumstances during the execution of the contract...
I assume Gregg has that well in hand..but indefinitely?
MAYBE maybe this helps Trans C
to plan their finances and thus to work
out their initial or long term outlay on AOT
then..after a few years of green success, they can
return to this part of the Keystone
Perhaps this vote was what they were waiting for
yes...I have convinced myself!
Good posts DPS, Zerosum and FML
I have them all on Ignore...but judging from your
various responses, my guess is that ValueYoda is the
most likely to be working for Trans Canada
or for an affiliated brokerage..
maybe there are more than one..but I don't think Pumper
Exposed is employable
the ease of the job is in turning everything around and in
saying, via the exploitation of the NDA, that everything currently
known or factual is unsupported by what is secret . Or (mysteriously) there is no NDA and the claim of an NDA is part of the scamming.
And , within the daily process and routines,as long as that
nonsense is visible on this board to some uncertain investors,
who gives a monkey's what is being claimed ?
the more confident they might sound,in their negativity, the more they know the opposite is the truth...but it's a game playable only here and relevant only here and nowhere else
I think it is worth seeing if this game represents an opportunity for a fun family game which also teaches players about the market and investments..
As another spin off, could we get it ready for next Christmas ?
we should ???
Um...is that due to....a forthcoming event
that is in the diary ?
I was beginning to find that diary a little
short of red hot dates...
what's cooking ?
Casper, Wyoming....
who was talking about another company there
with a possible connection to STWA ?
Footer ?
JW Williams..of Casper, Wyoming makes pipeline attachments...seems very specialised and successful ...
what is it about Casper, Wyoming I wonder
looks like the Trans Canada minions are taking a rest
from posting
That is very helpful Pandavoine
My goodness, there is nothing left out, left to chance.
Trans Canada can sit on everything and everyone like a ton of legalised bricks - although we have to trust that STWA has negotiated or can be protected from gratuitous or malicious use of the ton.
No wonder those posters who work for TC are so keen to portray the NDA as STWA's excuse or cover-up of failure : it is exactly the other way round
and what could be easier or more convenient than to turn it around and to use all the material which is SO available and thus relatively SO unimportant.. and SO ready for distortion etc
The NDA is a stranglehold and it is truly squeezing now - no wonder the TC minions on this board are coming out to do its inverted equivalent -
and to pretend that because they have no restrictions as posters here that the 10q has given them a sudden ability to 'reveal' the accurate version of events.
NDA is NDA : it turns nothing around. The bigger the money, the bigger the secrets, the bigger the NDA : that is straight and
central and everything else turns around it.
LETS LONG AND STRONGS TALK ONLY TO EACH OTHER
TRANS CANADA GOING FOR BEST POSSIBLE DEAL
Cutting through all the nonsense, being true to all the
research, science and achievements of many years,
being logical and realistic and reading every document
very closely again
(and without calling hundreds or thousands of professional
people of being dishonest on what would have to be a
pathological scale)
IT IS OBVIOUS that
TC are set to make a vast
amount of money out of AOT and the suite of STWA products;
that these monies could allow STWA to demand a high price
for these products
that T Canada would like a preferential rate and have done
a lot to deserve one
and to achieve this - what better way than to see the share
price dip down....and to illustrate the power of that first
contract..which is the STWA pathway to a very high profile and
share price..
the details of the 10q have this context and this context
only...not forgetting that the tests were a huge success
.. the success which the NDA is conspicuous in being unable to
hide entirely..
so - to come full circle - I wonder if Sano or Soxfan or any other is working for TC or a TC brokerage
any thoughts , main suspects??
I don't think it could be PumperExposed...
The next day.Reading it again.
With thanks to Flubug/I can't stop / Zerosum...and co
Factoring in the shock/disappointment
factoring in the closeness of the oil community
and the requirements of a 10q which would measure the worlds
best party as an over-usage of electricity
10q's are all about formalities and disclaimers - the fate of this Wichita AOT is written in strategic terms and for the accountant..
and Gregg does seem to be challenging TC in some way..or maybe it is
an unspoken reference to all that is not being said, to the obvious ease of changing a power supply, for example
it says NOWHERE that the AOT is being returned...it merely deals
with the subject in the spirit of full disclosure...yes, in theory, it might end up not being deployed....yes,our monarch
might spontaneously combust..
and wby would about 10-20 solid facts and achievements suddenly
be counter-acted or invalidated by some technically necessary
language ??
in complex terms and symbols, this ****** 10q tells us that
T C really should be getting on with it..after all, what on earth
have we been doing for so long and when it was so obvious long ago
that the only adjustment needed was the power supply..??
we knew it worked before the tests started; that is why the
tests began.
long and strong.. go the Seals !
well, does that mean the further commercialisation
etc is happening with TransCanada ? why does it not say that
clearly... There are some large
unanswered questions...
I know it is the
way of these documents, but it is grim reading to learn
that the AOT is coming back, with no assurances or guarantees
of re-deployment...Talk about minimal communication
How has it taken SO LONG when it must bave been
obvious that the constraints were due to limited
electrical input ? Couldn't they have increased
the input months ago ???
Hi footer ( and Mr Sodd)
I did try to get an answer to the same
question ...when I read Mr Sodd's
apocalyptically toned " It will come on 11/7"
and got no response...diddly..
I don't suppose he is referring to bowel movements..
but it sounds big
so I am getting ready for it
yet again
There is no surprising silence on AOT
Firstly there is reference by Trans Canada to their multi-billion
dollar investment in re-building their infra-structure..
which, given the generic vagueness in all financial over-views,
is pretty specific - where is AOT to go if not within an
infrastructiure - and what could be bigger and more specific in relative terms than an INFRASTRUCTURE...?
So, there is no silence...
and where is the surprise about such a specific reference
as AOT...a very new and unique item ?
Remind us all of what NDA stands for...NON...? AGREEMENT
And where is the surprise when the entire industry knows about AOT? For all we know, AOT is even more conspicuous by its absence in precise terms or by its presence only in necessarily general...ie infrastructural terms ..
To pretend any such 'surprise' is like pretending that a room full of men would not be aware of Marilyn Monroe standing silently it it...before she start to sing Happy Birthday to the President
Where there HAS been silence - typically -ie not surprisingly..
is from SANO - who has failed to give us a generic profile of
a penny share which comes through to deliver to its shareholders.
We are waiting Sano : surprise us by answering the question..
'Please Whacky, read the patent'
This invitation has delivered another devastating
insight and body blow to my position.
Yes, it is quite obvious that I am rolling in the hay
and this haven is a diversionary tactic from the absence of
news. This is the only explanation. It says so on the tin
or in the patent
I am going to alert STWA and to tell them to read the patent.
Or have you done that already ?
If they don't (and do not nullify the partnersip forthwith) that is further proof that they have been rumbled. Of course it is.
And have you noticed the STWA burn rate ? Have you warned them?
You should. As an investor or moral guardian, it is your
responsibility.
You must be a rich man and with a large following.
Any chance you could recommend a stock ?
What is the generic profile of a penny stock which comes
through to deliver to its shareholders ?
It will come on 11/7
It will ? you are referring to...the TC contract..?
This is a prediction..?
Referring to..to the beginning of a new world ...rather than to the end of this one ?
And you ? Are you The One ? Are you Him?
Will you post again ?
Or must you leave the planet ?
great that someone has a good memory
for this pattern
it's got to mean something, I hope
...unless this is to be the
norm on a more specialist board with these particular
qualities...and with more investors tuning in
to be honest,it has been such a long long and very long ordeal
that I am unsure if the really good news CAN come
through these normal channels...I can't quite imagine it
maybe my hitherto very quiet and fully clothed
neighbour will run stark naked into the garden
singing that Jimmy Cliff version...
I can see clearly now, the rain has gone...
THEN ..I will know
A good beginning with QTX
Increased visibility and liquidity of our stock
in action yesterday
Great to be separated from the nebulous and nefarious
masses
one contract and we should be free to go, with a proven and
commercial product in the clear and clearly communicated about
all parasites shaken off,the rain has gone..
it's gonna be a bright, bright sun shining day
DPS - talking about the weather....
I like the idea of that ....long and interesting posts
about the temperatures and conditions within the STWA
empire..
upon wbicb the sun will never set....
and wbich will prosper in all climates and changes
thereunto...
third time of asking : does the Trans Canada territory
comprise a clear set of differentiated climates...? more
cold and frozen areas than..K Morgan for example ?
and surely the information from TC tests will equip STWA to
negotiate with clients with both comparable
and non-comparable territories ?
doesn't look like the Wichita AOT is moving....
it's all for tbe lawyers now..
what will we talk about
when the first NDA has turned into a contract/purchase
order and the second NDA (KM) is headed that way...and the
third is known....and with new NDA's starting on a regular
basis?...
will NDA's become a tbing of the past ? either because the
process is not needed or not needed to be kept secret ?
a conveyor belt of contracts...perpetual motion made of revolutionary green profits....travelling on the dividend
line
yesterday's question again : what % of Trans C's pipes pass through or under cold or frozen territory? how do their territories break down in climate terms ?
Anyone know or got the time ?
Good post DPS.
what percentage of Trans Canada pipelines
pass through or under the colder/ coldest territories ?
what would a breakdown of their territories look like ?
Maybe Sox or Sano could do some due diligence and let
us know ?
Cross referring laboratory results with RMOTC and with
Wichita results must create a very full picture
or level of probability around untested territory.
It is very hard to believe that the whole process of integrating
AOT into a corporate future will have to wait on the minutiae of
the fate or cost of one $4.3 feature....or on the fact that certain stretches of pipeline have not been tested in the same
precise way.
The differentials between laboratory and pipeline must be
getting less and less significant
From across the pond
While the "debate" about Temple's status is about as
spurious as all other straws to be grasped at..(it's
probably time to mention Patents again, or how about
the burn rate ? or the villainy of Cecil Kyte in the
issuance/handling of shares ? etc etc )
the perceptions - and reactions - in the UK were always
about our need to make our universities more integral
to successful business practice ie to ensure that more research ended in its commercial application and success
These were the meaningful criteria around which any university or
further education should orientate itself - and thus rise or fall in the leagues which alone represent the new order ...All of which progress was another goodbye to snobbery and vacuous competition
I had not heard of Temple..and I was a little sceptical at first..,years ago...but I know Sweet F. A. about 95% of US schools...and it has become very obvious over those years that Temple is a great launchpad and partner...with an approach to
the reality and dynamics of commerce that has nourished STWA
through the hardest times
I think the STWA relationship with Temple was Cecil K's greatest
contribution, not to mention the small asset known as DR Tao, an
already international figure whose achievements will reward both Temple and STWA.
Dr Tao and Temple and STWA are all mutually beneficial and
there is no scope whatsoever for uneducated guesses or
crass insults about what has been going on over so long.
wondering how long this upgrade will take
and what might have happened in the interim
but another good step and I think a clear proof
of identity and market niche which weighs against
being the subject of a take over
stwa is not just investor focussed...it is putting down
the roots for a long history of its own
a wide range of products and services and with a lasting portfolio of patents and products to come...with Tao and Temple behind us.
who would ever want to sell ?
thanks 321 again
and with regard to the Trans C engineers (who knew too
much) and who were kidnapped by Navy Seals loyal to Bigger
and then
switched for clones of the Chinese Secret Service....
no signs of a scuffle...or get-away rocket ?
what ? you didn't think to look....?
now I've heard it all
hi Smile
I think this will have to be our year - or if it is our
month, or just the first signs of our month or year or just the first signs of.. anything...then that will be our indefinite future
contained in those first signs...I will devote a few minutes every day to just watching those green numbers turning..
and as soon as the market has factored in our built-in value, we will have trouble caring about the many more frustrating times...we
wouldn't have had it any other way.....
poo poo to PR and all that..PR is for girls !!
No signs of any kind of FAILURE there
thank you very much 321....it already looks like
an integral part of a very commercialised situation
shame not to get a photo of DR Tao up there
in his cowboy hat
maybe when he gets his Nobel prize
"through October 15"
and so ..on October 15...I re-think about these words
used lease-wise in the 8k
suddenly, I don't fully understand the use of 'through'...Maybe this is a Briton being unfamiliar with US lingo or legal lingo.
a meal is finished; anything is finished - ie 'we are through here waiter, the check please'....
But that cannot be the meaning re the lease ?
Um - the meaning has been generally accepted as 'until' October 15..after all, why mention any specific date in a statement just to affirm a lease is still applying on it..
so, to break it down, the 'through' means that the lease applies at least until October 15..but it is on that date that it is decided whether we need it for longer...and whether the tests need to go on through it...
yes, I have convinced myself ! But is that right ?
Apologies for continuing the torture of possible interpretations on the day itself !!
Very good to hear about Ockham
and what a fine harnessing of medieval and modern
when discussing the imminence of ballistic share movement and wealth!
While I cannot be as exemplary and restrained as Armour (who can ?) in wishing all due process to take precedence over mortal or carnal hopes, it is my bottom line that STWA really must explain to us what the AOT situation is...in the event of a silence or legalistic sidestep from TC...and where is it going to be ?
Otherwise our share price will dip even more.
Maybe the Ockham razor can be applied to non Trans Canada
possibilities - ie just when all the focus or hypotheses are being applied TC and these October dates, what a perfect time for a surprise and a brand new development..emerging out of the same Ockham simplicity - of successful research etc - which TC has yet to confirm
$200 being one of the extremes
involved in this stock - extremes of faith and support
being our contribution prior to the proportionate rewards
and thanks to an extremely effective new technology which
has been researched and tested in the extreme and which has been
found to have so many talents and applications that extreme
patience has been required as STWA and clients have had to learn about it as they go along
and all of this within the largest industry in the world and
presumably the wealthiest, and thus extremely conservative and
cautious...and structured around extreme applications of law and
commercial sense
which - if all the extremes are to be fulfilled - will end up
allowing STWA something approaching a monopoly..having started out as a crumb in Australia..
with extreme care and orthodoxy and understatement..our various CEO's have progressed.. via Temple, PRCI, US Government.. from a OTCC perennially manipulated penny stock...
to ...what ? who can say ?
and starting when ??
Good posts moorea9
It is very obvious....more and more obvious....and it always
was quite obvious
that the termination of the first lease was part of, or the end of, a first phase
and that plenty of other work and analysis was ongoing
and that there were no conclusions to be drawn that should
interfere, no need for public statements of any kind
this has become even more obvious - what is often called
blindingly obvious - given what Gregg has said about the tests,
the viscosity reductions, about other leases - and also via
what Kinder Morgan has done since inviting STWA to the conference
they could not have made any progress without the termination of a first lease..nor could they have signalled the possibility of that
progress without it
also very obvious : the failure of the project could have been
made very very clear.....and there would have been many questions
asked about how on earth they allowed it to get so far.
hello Footer
Can you elaborate on the JW Williams theory ?
I checked out their profile and it corresponds perfectly..and
I recall words at a London meeting about the wizadry of computer aided design and how quick and easy the manufacture could be
....and Casper Wyoming sounds right also ...but you are saying that
the company has recently expanded, having seen some aerial photos..??
with regard to acquisitions, it sounds like a bigger fish than STWA could comfortably swallow but then again STWA can offer unlimited work to such a specialist company..
I assume the offer or proximity of contracts for AOT would play a role in the financing of any acquisition...how else could STWA
afford it ?
a lot to ponder and to wait for.not to mention the celebration ...what multi-tasking is the investor's lot !!
well, perhaps there is another option
ie that the 8 k tells the world of moving the AOT and of the ongoing
tests (after the success of the first ones ---oooh - would
they go THAT far?)
and dare we hope for the naming of TC even if there is no PO?
Could they lose anything by being named at this point..given
the evident success of the first tests?
Smile
Well, the presence or absence of October 15 within STWA updates
is not the main point ..in my book at least ..it is the reference
to a specific date in the contract that is enough to have made it into a potential landmark..given the NDA and so on
But it is good news if Trans C continue the tests in the frozen north (and do not return it to STWA with thanks but no thanks)
and this will provide yet more date for this huge landmass..
and prove yet more about AOT's versatility..
SO..IYHumbleO.. can we expect the share price to respond positively ?
or is it a possibility that the absence of a PO
will be the sole focus of the market ??
Moving the AOT and the new agreement
I am working hard to resign myself to a minimum
of development re October 15/25 and TC
ie that the long awaited contract etc will be downgraded
to a new lease re more testing of the same device..
good news though this slowest option is..
will it help our share price I ask myself in public?
I am aware of what was specified
in the first document (delivered by end of December) but
I recall an update of some kind..I will dig around
And meanwhile Kinder Morgan
Am I right in thinking we were told that
the KM AOT would be attached in September ?
That is worth some publicity I hope ...
and how long do acquisitions take ??!!