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again, in year round hotclimate, 2year payback
as it is, if its 80 degrees average yera round, its a two year payback on full price commercial
so they can keep those prices up
and there is not a lot of molding and stuff in the product
its all stuff they can buy and cobble together
mister nozzles, filters, pumps, electric switches
the filter and the chemical are the one custom made part i think
commerical has RO, res is a filter
the flapper valve blows up when the fan goes, so it closes the water valve
the commerical its wired into the electric so it turns on when the cmopressor kicks in
either one, the water usage is not high, less than 50 gallons for res unit, not even a drop in the bucket of offseting the elec costs,a dn where wate rshortage is an issue, like nevada, tech is still enviro cause electric production usually consumes quite a bit of water, depending on source
also small fraction of $ savings on electric can be used to implement water conservatoin measures that more than offset use
20k unit pays off in two years. FAST
installs they have done show a 20k unit pays in 2 years, saving around 1k a month on electric. it has to go on somewhere where the bill is 5k a month. i guess a 5 ton unit is too small now taht i remmeber when i had a 5ton unit myself for a nightclub
the commerical unit on residential will not work economically for 2 year payabck- you have to have some heat in there - lots of computers or people
the patent on the chemical. trane might buy out
trane cant just reverse engineer it because they have patents on the simple technology of it plus the key antiscale chemical
i guess once it gets expesnvie to buy out and they decide they really want it, they could fight the patents by coming up with similar but somehow non derivated method and chemical
frankly, i am surprised trane has bought this
i guess they are very conservative
eventually i think one of the larger ac companies will buy them out
once the tech is accepted by a couple 1,000 commerical users
pony up 10K and get one and sell it for 20
these things work. get someone with a 5 ton ac to test it and you will be able to sell it to them for double what you pay gdgi.
they have a home unit. not as good as the commercial
they already have a home unit. its pretty good, but not great. that's what got them off the ground. nevada eletrical utilities have a rebate program for the home units. they have sold 10s of thousands. they are cheap and cheaply made. they work good on units where they can sit on top but not so great on units where they go sideways. i have tested them with an ameter and watched electric bills and installed properly they save 20+ but its possible to screw up the install and they are kinda flimsy. the company is concentratign entirely on the commerical now, which is a good move. when this gets accepted, it will hit a tipping point and they will get thousands of orders at $5k plus profit per unit sold. the commerical units have been extensively tested and purchased by tulane and harvey mudd, one of the top tech school sin the country who gave them an award for their tech.
coolnsave us patents 4units, intl on chemical
coolnsave holds several us patents on the units themselves and the filter devices and also an internation patent on the crucial antiscaling chemical necessary for cost effective scale free application of the idea
it would just scale up, or cost too much for filtration if you did not have the anticalse chemical that adheres to minerals makign them odd shaped so they dont stack up in crystal like formations and inteaad fall off as a fine white harmless powder
ONLY company with affordable antiscaling chemical
you dont know what you are talking about
they are totally the only one with this technology
which is: an anti-scaling chemical that they hold an international patent on that is uniquely able to cost effectively prevent scale
it has many other possible commerical application that they have not even explored
without the antiscaling chemical, either you have to spend so much money and waste water on reverse osmosis and other filtratoin processes that you piss away all the savings, or you scale up your ac fins, ruining the ac unit
but i agree they may have to dilute before they hit big revenues. cash is tight there. still a a great buy and hold below 5 cents.
never suspected STOCK is a pump. posters=traders
i KNOW this stock is a solid prospect
i never thought for a momemnet that the stock itself is a pump and dump scheme and i dont think the insiders would consider selling at this ridiculously low price when they have such an awesome product
but many of the posters say substance-free or exaggerated things (for instance, PEPSI is looking at it, which is not true, ONE pepsi distributor is looking at it, but that means they will buy it cause it works and then eventually all pepsi distributors in hot climates will get it, which was inevitable anyway, this just means its underway) that lead me to believe they are short term traders exaggerating their promotion of the stock to create short term movement
i guess there is no harm in them making the stock price flail around, cause it could spook out some people if they can pump it to where it oversells in response to being overbought
and then buy and hold players can reload at a lower price
so on second thought, pump away pumpers!
not sure what you are agreeing with or what are, but it looks to me like a lot of posters on this board are into technicals more than fundamentals and are short term traders hyping who plan to turn around when it hits some short-term unsustainable high.
it is nevertheless in their interest as well that someone advocate for the long term prospects of this stock, because all buyers, not just suckers who can be fleeced when the stock runs up and tanks and runs up and tanks over and over, help the overall stock price.
if you are not impressed with the pumping here, join me in buying and holding and dont worry about the hype, read my posts about the long term prospects and get some of this now because while it will fly up and down with dumb money going in and out, its not necessarily going back lower than where it is now, and the smart money that hangs around is going to do great in a year and even better int two or three years
look at my posts. REAL support, not hype.
besides doubleday, the only posts of substance about the very positive long term prospects of this company are mine
the rest is just chatter to create short term gains
its not sarcasm, is the simple truth of the matter
like i said, GDGI has great long term prospects
and my prior posts provide substantial support for that claim
if you are into that, there is no need to say things like
"PEPSI is looking at this" when PEPSI is NOT looking at this
A single PEPSI distributor is looking at this
eventually, that distributor will adopt it
and Pepsico will spread the word and their individual
distributors around the world will adopt it
and not only Pepsi, but coke and beer companies
and dairies and all kind of big cooled warehouses
are sure to follow
but that will take time
if you want to pump this stock and dump it before others are disappointed, then it is helpful to exaggerate
if you a person are buying and holding this stock
wild fluctuations of the price as unreasonable expectations are created and then not met are not particular helpful
not pepsi, A pepsi distributor. still good thing.
but no need to exaggerate, unless you are trying to pump and dump. i am buy and hold on this. it will take a while for one Pepsi distributor (invidually owned franchise basically) to lead to all Pepsi distributors in suitable climates going for it, but it will happen.
patience
those who are expecting a quick pop may be disappointed. i dont see a lot of big money buyers flocking to this stock til they get a few more sales. i think it could be months before we see a significant increase, at least on any kind of volume, but as i have related in my earlier posts, i believe strongly in the long term prospects for this company. the technology is solid - you can verify the EPA, Begley, Harvey Mudd, and Tulane endorsements easily. the largest part of their debt will likely be cancelled because they did not receive the service they exchanged it for, and the smaller parts should be easy to finance given the strength of the product. that could mean additional dilution, but it will be worth it if it is needed to keep the company solvent while they seek the tipping point in broad acceptance of this widely applicable technology that has the potential to save 100s of millions of dollars a year in energy demand.
yeah 760 in 3 years seems very low
given that korea telecom alone talks installing on 500 properties
this seems like a very conservative projection designed not to disappoint or sound like hubris
but i guess fair enough, he says he is CONFIDENT of this number and does not deign to mention it is realistic to hope for a much higher number
personally i think there is a tipping point where suddenly we will jump from 100s to 1,000s as the technology is accepted and then becomse universal. there is no reason a co where it is 80degrees average year round should not buy this. even if there is water shortage, the electric savings are huge and can be used to retrofit fixtures or take other measures to offset water use
fundamental not technical
i think it does not make a lot of sense to look at technical analysis for a stock that is this thinly traded. fundamentals give a much better perspective. given the slow pace of adoption (pointed out by CEO in press release, it take a while for these large entities to make budget commitments - as much as a year if you hit the wrong point in the fiscal year to start) it might take a while for orders to really start pouring in, and in the interim, cash flow is tight which will spook big investors. speculators will be around buying and selling, which is think what we saw today - those couple million shares bought at .24 went out again i would guess, leaving room to rise now that the lower priced shares bought for quick speculation are gone. if there are enough confirmed orders by january, the stock should rise into the high pennies or back to 10 cents even. but that is not a certainty, so the stock could languish around here or into the low pennies in that time frame. eventually, however, this thing has got to win, and win really really big. again, the product works, the debt burden is not too high to cover it, by issuing more of the 500 m shares authorized if necessary, which, yes, would dilute, but to get solid footing with financing it would be worth it, because as long as this company can hang in there, they are certain to succeed in the long run with global electric savings of 100s of millions per year and a patent moat. i don't see how they can fail to raise money if they need it, and if they need it at all, the balance sheet indicates it only a few 100k they need to raise.
BANKS are buying= loan programs for new buyers
the first bank in GDGI history has bought several units and other banks are keenly interested. the tech has a two year payback or so. that is great for an envirotech or any investment.
that means banks will loan money for this technology, and banks already have a list of creditworthy stable clients they have revolving loans with. almost all large potential purchasers of this tech will have an existing relationship with a bank.
ESA markup, because they are exclusive suppliers and the tech has no competition, is large.
that means once this gets going, companies are going to be able to get it for no money down, cause ESAs can put up 20% of their profits as a supplier financed loan and the banks can take care of the 80%.
no money down, and 10k electrical savings per unit per year goes the commerical units owner after 2 year loan payback.
no brainer.
100s of millions of worldwide electrical savings.
patience.
100 bagger.
detailed reasons why 100to1 in 1year
looking at all factors, i am expecting some ups and downs, but i am confident this company will survive and within a year yield 100 to 1 returns on current price and rise further after that. this is probably currently so clobbered for two reasons: tight cash position combined with impatience and fear on the part of early investors who bought too high too soon in when the stock newsletters were promoting it and short sellers capitalizing on this. we could see some more of that in the short term after a probably rise, because i don't know if there are enough buyers out there to absorb the rest of the scared money. but the long term direction should be way way up.
so flip it if you want, i don't care cause you can drive the price down today, but a year from now it won't matter to me when I sell half my shares at long term gains rate and a 100 to 1 multiple. still, for your benefit:
repeated tests, including in high humidity, show this device works, and its starting to sell around the globe, in a trickle that will eventually become a torrent of sales. 100s of millions if not billions in electrical costs can be saved annually world wide. the international patent on the anti scaling tech and the rest of of the tech gives a big moat.
as doubleday pointed out, they are likely to be relieved of about 2 million in debt due to their former promoter being indicted because his services to other cos were fraudulent. the board that accused GDGI of pump and dump a year ago was half right - the promoter pumped and dumped, but the insiders did not dump - they still have 100% of original cause they know they have a real product and a real moat. they will have to have a civil suit to get out of their debt to him, maybe, because his services to them are not in the indictment, its about other cos. but the MO is the same, he got shares, put them in other entities, and sold while he was promoting. and that's a no no.
the company has pretty tight cash situation according to the balance sheet, but if they really need to raise cash, they don't need to raise that much, maybe $200k which they might do in sales, and if not, given the strength of the tech, they have got to be able to get that done and hang in until the big sales start coming. for instance, Korea Telecom already said they are considering 500 more installs, which would be between 10k and 30k revenue to the company per install, so 1.5 million to 3 million in revenue, more than half of which would probably be marginal profit given what building a unit involves. so the 200k cash need will seem puny to investors if they need to raise cash.
and Korea Telecom is ONE buyer. the PEPSI distributor is not PEPSI - its a distributor. i believe those are privately owned. BUT - if one Pepsi plant orders, that is going to be at least 200k to equip a big place like that, and Pepsi will spread the word to its other distributors and coke will follow. if as few as 20 pepsi and 20 coke distributors buy, thats 8 million $. Mexican big box store Soriana has greater potentail that that. add some beer distributors on there, any ohter big cooled warehouses, you are looking at revenue numbers in the 10s of millions or maybe 100 million and its just the tip of the cool iceberg.
50 million in annual profits would justify a market cap of 500 million or more given growth potential. with 240M outstanding shares, that's a share price of $5.
so, yeah, i will hold. it might go up and down, so there could be some gain to flipping, but on the other hand, this train might be about to leave the station for good. trifle at your own risk.
flip or hold? HOLD! 1year, .5 or $5
looking at all factors, i am expecting some ups and downs, but i am confident this company will survive and within a year yield 100 to 1 returns on current price and rise further after that.
so flip it if you want, i don't care cause you can drive the price down today, but a year from now it won't matter to me when I sell half my shares at long term gains rate and a 100 to 1 multiple. still, for your benefit:
repeated tests, including in high humidity, show this device works, and its starting to sell around the globe, in a trickle that will eventually become a torrent of sales. 100s of millions if not billions in electrical costs can be saved annually world wide. the international patent on the anti scaling tech and the rest of of the tech gives a big moat.
as doubleday pointed out, they are likely to be relieved of about 2 million in debt due to their former promoter being indicted because his services to other cos were fraudulent. the board that accused GDGI of pump and dump a year ago was half right - the promoter pumped and dumped, but the insiders did not dump - they still have 100% of original cause they know they have a real product and a real moat. they will have to have a civil suit to get out of their debt to him, maybe, because his services to them are not in the indictment, its about other cos. but the MO is the same, he got shares, put them in other entities, and sold while he was promoting. and that's a no no.
the company has pretty tight cash situation according to the balance sheet, but if they really need to raise cash, they don't need to raise that much, maybe $200k which they might do in sales, and if not, given the strength of the tech, they have got to be able to get that done and hang in until the big sales start coming. for instance, Korea Telecom already said they are considering 500 more installs, which would be between 10k and 30k revenue to the company per install, so 1.5 million to 3 million in revenue, more than half of which would probably be marginal profit given what building a unit involves. so the 200k cash need will seem puny to investors if they need to raise cash.
and Korea Telecom is ONE buyer. the PEPSI distributor is not PEPSI - its a distributor. i believe those are privately owned. BUT - if one Pepsi plant orders, that is going to be at least 200k to equip a big place like that, and Pepsi will spread the word to its other distributors and coke will follow. if as few as 20 pepsi and 20 coke distributors buy, thats 8 million $. Mexican big box store Soriana has greater potentail that that. add some beer distributors on there, any ohter big cooled warehouses, you are looking at revenue numbers in the 10s of millions or maybe 100 million and its just the tip of the cool iceberg.
50 million in annual profits would justify a market cap of 500 million or more given growth potential. with 240M outstanding shares, that's a share price of $5.
so, yeah, i will hold. it might go up and down, so there could be some gain to flipping, but on the other hand, this train might be about to leave the station for good. trifle at your own risk.
i should add - google results are not proof, but you can call the various entities you will find, like EPA, and verify the results are real.
Proof of what? google and find real proof. irrelevant generalizations are irrelevant. you proved nothing with that post, and you can't be a short seller - you are just a well intentioned but clearly clueless person. look. yes. there are pump and dump schemes as hard as the SEC tries. and YES ! in fact a year ago or so, this company hired a penny stock newsletter to publicize to get their first shares out at an unreasonable premium. BUT - do some basic googling and you find out -not only do they have an EPA endorsment - not only has the engineering department of Tulane studied it and found it saves 25% on electric bills for the commerical unit resulting (at the price) in a two year payback, which is stellar for an envirotech, not only have the won an award from Harvey Mudd, one of the top engineering schools in the country, - not only does Ed Begley endorse the product - not only does the state of Nevada utility offer rebates to utility customers for the (relatively crappy) residential version of this technology - but a municipality has bought and installed the residential system and a casino in Nevada has it installed and several other businesses have it running and it works. this is going through the roof. i don't understand where the cheap shares sold are coming from if not from market makers trading among themselves to try to scare out the stupid money and profit from short sales, but the company insiders are no way gonna sell this tech at market cap of half a million. that would be insane. they would sell their kidneys first if they needed money. the patent on the chemical that prevents scale ALONE without any particular purpose is worth that, let alone the fact this tech can save 100s of millions in electric costs in the US alone and the units pay for themselves in two years. so thanks for your help cash, but people, hold hold hold. they will sell the promised 250 commerical units x at least 5k profit - 1.25 million justifying a mininum market cap of 12 million, 24 x current price, without even contemplating the immense growth ahead. the korea telecom deal alone can generate 500 commerical unit sales. when the earnigns are posted sometime in the next year, this will be at least .1 and more likely .4 and possibly higher. or i will eat my entire collection of well deserved wizard hats. all this stuff is ve