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Frazdog, Sorry but I lost your train of thought. I just am not sure what you are trying to tell me. I posted todays close. It means whatever you want it to mean. Let's try it again sometime. I have to go now.
CYCLONE POWER TECHS INC (OTC) (CYPW) $0.14 Change:-0.01 (-6.67%)Volume:150,854
Frazdog,, The information you posted was not about a WHE. Did you read your own post????
zardiw. No problem its out.
Arnold
I also said: "The fact that things in Cyclone's Press releases do not happen and nothing is ever said about it by management is a problem. This is just not good public relations and will make the next Press Release very questionable".
Piecemaker, The answers to the questions are not important. The fact that things in Cyclone's Press releases do not happen and nothing is ever said about it by management is a problem. This is just not good public relations and will make the next Press Release very questionable.
dotell , I see the stock is now $0.14. The Private Placement shares are getting cheaper. This could even go lower.
Piecemaker. the question refers to a public Press Release. That is a legitimate question. It is clear that you won't like the answers so you won't ask the questions.
Piecemaker , Next time you talk to Harry, ask him when he expects to get royalties from Advent or Revgine and when he expects Raytheon to publish the results of their tests. I am sure all on this board are looking forward to the answers. Don't bother asking him about Bent Glass that could be even more years away. Bent Glass will probably find it more beneficial to pipe their waste heat to homes or businesses in the neighborhood.
POMPANO BEACH, FL--(MARKET WIRE)--May 29, 2008 -- Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Other OTC:CYPW.PK - News) announced today that MEO Products Ltd, a defense industry supplier based in London, has entered into an exclusive marketing agreement with Advent Power Systems (APS), a Cyclone licensee in the field of military applications for the Cyclone Engine technology.
In connection with this alliance, Cyclone has received a purchase order from APS for an undisclosed quantity of a man-portable 80W power units with a design target weight of less than 3 lbs. Initial test units are expected to be delivered later this year, and will be capable of running on a variety of fuels or fuel combinations with anticipated NOX emissions levels under 1%.
6 Cylinder Radial Engine
http://www.cedesign.net/steam/radial.htm
Buenijo'..You have made it clear that you would not believe me, ask Piecemaker the next time he calls the company, to get the answer . I think you will believe him.
Frazdog..Look at what they found A propane fueled engine polluted less than a gas fueled engine. They didn't compare engines using the same fuel! What would you expect to happen?
The tests were performed four times on the fuel combustion system of the company’s 3HP propane-fueled engine, and then on a 2007 3HP gas-powered lawn mower engine.
Buenijo..Are you saying you don't know why the WHE has not been tested on a truck? Interesting!
Buenijo..And we both no why the WHE has not been tested.
Frazdog..When I look at pictures of the shinny red and black mock-ups of Cyclone engine products a phrase from the last political election keeps coming to mind.
You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
'Buenijo..If the WHE can work on a truck why hasn't one been put on a truck for a test? You said it would be easy. What is Harry waiting for? Don't bother to answer I know the answer.
This is what the public thinks about Harry's company.
Frazdog..If you check you can find thousands of patents for steam power. Not one has produced a marketable engine.
Frazdog'..If you are refereeing to what was shown at the trade show. You saw an air compressor powering a Cyclone engine driving a generator and lighting a light.
Buenijo..Engineers with more training, more funding and more experience than Harry have been working on trying to make a successful steam operated engine since the Stanley Steamer. Engineers in the US, Japan and Russia have not been successful. To think Harry will solve all the basic problems with steam power is fundamentally irrational.
Investors are going to be very suspect when the next Press Release comes out. They know from experience what has happened in the past, Advent, Revgine, Raytheon press releases came and went without a single follow up or a word from Cyclone. Trade show after trade show and not an increase in share price.
If we use Piecemaker's formula, we can buy Private Placement shares at $.09 now. Sure you have to hold them for a year. That is not a problem because this technology is years away from developing any product to sell.
Piecemaker: I don't see any funding for Cyclone from Private, Public, or Environmental groups. Are you reading between the lines?
Thank you for the video tape of Cyclone's most advanced development in their engine technology and thank you Mark for pointing out that the video tape is only the combustion chamber of the lawnmower engine. I, for one, am extremely disappointed to find out the video tape with all the hoses and wires connected to it is only a small part of the lawn mower engine. I can imagine if Harry could put the motor and the combustion chamber together, it would be huge, nothing like the mock-up that Cyclone presents to investors on their web-site and at trade shows. I now know it will be years before we see a cyclone lawnmower for sale in any store because Cyclone is at this early stage of development. I can only imagine how long it will take to see an automobile engine
I disagree with the statement that, "Detroit cannot competently investigate an engine they know nothing about, and right now, don't even want to know." The fact is that Detroit, the Japanese auto makers, and other engine development companies know probably more about steam engines then Harry.
Cyclone has been working for years on this project and they have not advanced far enough to get anyone interested enough to fund the project. Harry has made beautiful shiny red and black nonfunctioning mock-ups of engine applications, but there does not exist a running stand alone product, in any stage of development. Despite all the efforts with PR's that produce nothing, money and time spent to make mock-ups, appearances at trade shows, the stock is selling for pennies on the pink sheet market and no public private or environmental organization has offered Cyclone a penny in financing.
The Cyclone engine remains an experimental science product, not a company poised to make money. I suggest once again if you are interested in the company to buy the Private Placement shares at a good discount to the market price. LOL
Mark, Do you agree with anything I said?
Mark, please answer this, did you read my post number #13609 ?
Piecemaker..I agree today's PPO share price is $.08 or $ .09. If you believe this company is what you think it is that is cheap.
'feinanddandy..If you agree that Piecemaker said you can buy PPO's at 40% below average market price and that goodfree said you can buy PPO's at 50% below average market price, then we are in agreement.
feinanddandy.I just don't understand how you can say the price I gave is untrue when you don't know what the price of a PPO is?
Mark, I appreciate your style of posting and your honest evaluation of my concerns about Cyclone.
Thank you for looking at the Iris engine. It did win the $75,000 ConocoPhillips Energy Prize Competition and took First Prize for Transportation Tech in the Major NASA Design Competition.
If I understand you correctly, you are asking me three questions. First, is it steam power in general that I dislike? Second, is it CPT specifically that I am against? Third, a hypothetical question about the stock. I will attempt to give you the answers you requested. I am not presenting proof of my thoughts or statements, after all, this is a discussion forum not a courtroom.
STEAM POWER-briefly--
The Cyclone external combustion steam engine with its radial design may indeed someday run. All steam engines are external combustion engines(no combustion takes place in the cylinders). All steam engines are capable of using any fuel that will heat water and make steam(coal,oil,wood,natural gas,etc.) The Cyclone radial design is different, but is it as durable and dependable as the existing steam engine? It has not been tested in a real world application. Harry has stated that his engine is not much more efficient than a diesel engine. Without independent tests, we do not have the answer to the efficiency question.
CPT specifically
I believe Harry has stated he has been working on this engine since 2004 and he took the company public in 2007. He has made numerous claims about the engine over the years. You looked at the video that Piecemaker took. This is what Harry is so proud of, this is the best he has as a working model, this is what he shows potential investors. Look once again at this page: http://www.cyclonepower.com/cyclone_engine_uses.html. This page, among other pages, suggests with its many models and stated facts,(Hp, rpms, weight etc.) that these products exist, but they do not at the present time. All I see in the video is a crude laboratory model that is bolted to a table with hoses and wires connected to it. This is not a product anywhere near ready for production.
Cyclone has had Press Releases over the years with companies like Revgine, Advent, TETRAD. Nothing ever is said again and you can find very little information about the companies. After the Raytheon Press Release, not a word from Raytheon about the results. What engine does Cyclone have that Raytheon could have tested?
I think the share price is being affected by other issues that have been mentioned and dismissed on this board involving PPO's and a billion authorized shares .
ASSUME that the 100 hp Mark V Cyclone works as described --
I would be interested if the engine was efficient, more dependable and green. I would even be interested if it was proven to have just one of those characteristics.
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ANSWER---September 04,2007---TETRAD agreement
http://newsblaze.com/story/2007090403002900002.pz/topstory.html
Did this ever happen? WHAT YEAR?
September 4 - Cyclone Power Technologies Signs Agreement to Expedite Development of Its Green Engine Technology
Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc. (OTC:CYPW) announced today that it has entered into a Technology Development Agreement with TETRAD Energy Corporation, Inc.
Under the terms of the agreement, TETRAD shall provide assistance to Cyclone in the late-staged development of its Green Revolution Engine(tm), including securing the support of scientific experts, key governmental agencies, independent testing and data-verification facilities, and private equity financiers. For its services, TETRAD has been granted a license option, which if exercised, will allow it to manufacture home and commercial generators up to 15kw in size using Cyclone's external combustion, heat-regenerative engine technology.
"We are excited to be working with TETRAD in the late-stage development of our technology," stated Harry Schoell, Cyclone's CEO and inventor of the technology. "I believe that TETRAD's expertise will provide great value to our progress."
TETRAD's President and CEO, Carmella Angus, has over 25 years experience in all phases of product development and has been a key strategist in the late-phase development and market launch of several successful products including one pharmaceutical product with global revenues exceeding $12 billion. TETRAD's CTO, Martin Dudziak PhD, has worked for over 20 years in both basic and applied R&D within physics and engineering fields, including the design and delivery of alternative and conventional energy-based systems for military, medical, security and emergency applications.
"In my assessment," stated Dr. Dudziak, "the Cyclone technology is one of the most practical solutions for energy sustainability and renewability for a society so intensively based upon powered vehicles for transportation and travel. It is very practical for the world of 2008 and beyond and is adaptable to the emergence of new fuel types."
WAS THIS COMPLETED LAST YEAR?
TETRAD Energy Corporation: A Subsidiary Company
Plans For Final Phase Development, Product Launch and Manufacturing
Cyclone External Combustion Engine was originally developed and patented by Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc.
TETRAD Energy Corporation has entered into a licensing agreement with Cyclone Power Technologies and is thus responsible for the final phase development, manufacturing and marketing of the engine.
TETRAD has entered into a licensing agreement with Cyclone Power, conditional upon funding. The projected global market is 30 billion and the projected capital required to launch the 18 HP 2 Cylinder Engine for the 10 Kw generator market is 3 to 5 million.
TETRAD is currently looking for Venture Capital and Angel Investors. Plans are to launch the product by the end of 2008. Interested investors are to contact Carmella Angus (CEO) at 416-234-8824 or by email at carmella@tetradgroup.com
Initial test units are expected to be delivered later this year, THIS YEAR?- LAST YEAR?- NEXT YEAR?
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080529/0401679.html
Cyclone Power Technologies and Advent Power Systems Form Alliance With UK Defense Industry Contractor
Thursday May 29, 2008 7:00 am ET
POMPANO BEACH, FL--(MARKET WIRE)--May 29, 2008 -- Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Other OTC:CYPW.PK - News) announced today that MEO Products Ltd, a defense industry supplier based in London, has entered into an exclusive marketing agreement with Advent Power Systems (APS), a Cyclone licensee in the field of military applications for the Cyclone Engine technology.
In connection with this alliance, Cyclone has received a purchase order from APS for an undisclosed quantity of a man-portable 80W power units with a design target weight of less than 3 lbs. Initial test units are expected to be delivered later this year, and will be capable of running on a variety of fuels or fuel combinations with anticipated NOX emissions levels under 1%.
"The Cyclone Engine offers a number of breakthroughs as a clean burning engine using multi-fuels," stated David Verden, President of MEO. "Applications for this engine cover across-the-board defense industry requirements, however, we see early demand in the fields of man-portable power supplies."
"We believe that Cyclone's compact, lightweight and multi-fuel engine technology can be of great use for troops in the field, especially in this day and age when the war on terrorism requires our allied soldiers to be quick, agile and resourceful," noted Dr. Phil Myers, President of APS.
Added Harry Schoell, CEO of Cyclone, "We are pleased to be working with MEO and APS in connection with military applications in the UK. Our technology fits perfectly with the requirements of defense and homeland security. We see many other applications developing in the foreseeable future."
CORPORATE PROFILE
Cyclone holds the U.S. patent, international patent applications, and exclusive commercial rights to the Cyclone Engine, an environmentally friendly and highly efficient external combustion, heat-regenerative engine. Developed by the company's President and CEO, Harry Schoell, the Cyclone Engine regenerates (or recycles) its heat, which allows it to run cleaner, cooler and more efficiently than traditional internal combustion engines. The Cyclone Engine is capable of running on any liquid or gaseous fuel, including ethanol, bio-diesel and propane, and is lubricated with de-ionized water instead of motor oil. By eliminating many subsystems like oil pumps, radiators, catalytic converters and fuel injectors, Cyclone Engines are expected to cost less to manufacture, operate and maintain; however Cyclone Engines are highly scalable and sufficiently powerful for applications ranging from lawn equipment and small home generators to cars, trucks, buses ships and locomotives. The Broward County Environmental Protection Department recently named Cyclone Power Technologies as the "Environmental Business of the Year," and Popular Science magazine recently named the Cyclone Engine "2008 Invention of the Year."
About Advent Power Systems
Advent Power Systems, Inc. (APS) is a licensee of Cyclone, formed for the purpose of developing, manufacturing, and selling power systems employing the Cyclone engine technology. APS is a partially owned subsidiary of Advent International Management Company of Florida, Inc., whose corporate predecessors date back to 1982. APS was founded and is led by President and CEO -- Dr. Phillip F. Myers, a highly experienced corporate executive and entrepreneur with a five-year Industrial and Systems Engineering Degree and M.B.A. from Ohio State, and a doctorate from the Harvard Business School, specializing in the management of advanced technology companies.
Mark, CPT is presenting these mock-ups as fully operational systems, then by definition they are "misrepresenting the facts".
http://www.cyclonepower.com/cyclone_engine_uses.html
Mark showing a mock-ups and not stating they are mock-ups when you only can show the crude unfinished motor that Piecemaker video taped is miss representing the facts.
Please reread my post #13577. I think you missed some important points.
Waiting for your comment.
Showing mock-ups at trade shows and web-sites without clearly stating that they are mock-ups is misrepresenting of the facts.
feinanddandy..I stated what I thought the price of a PPO is . What do you think the price of a PPO is today? The present Market price is $.13.
Show proof of the PPO price please.
That is not what I see in the Video. It surly doesn't look like anything at the trade shows or on the web-site.
Mark..Lets us than talk about their products. I think we need to define what we mean when we talk about an engine. I think an engine is a standalone device that you put fuel in and get power out . The key word in this case is standalone.
"An engine is a mechanical device that produces some form of output from a given input".
Examlpe 1.
If Cyclone had an engine, they could couple the output to any, off the shelf, generator and place it in a position were we could evaluate the amount of fuel input to the power output. The fact that they went to all the trouble to make a mock-up of a Cyclone generator, that does not work only makes sense if they do not have a standalone engine at this time.
EXAMPLE 2.
If Cyclone had an engine, they could easily mount it in a golf cart and drive around the parking lot of trade shows with a sign on the cart saying this is powered by a Cyclone engine. It is the new green technology.
The fact that Cyclone has not done anything remotely close to the above examples , clearly indicates to me that they do not have a standalone engine at this time.
I might add that not a word from Advent ,Revigne or Raytheon also indicates to me that Cyclone does not have a standalone usable engine.
Showing mock-ups at trade shows and web-sites without clearly stating that they are mock-ups is misrepresenting of the facts.
JMHO
feinanddandy..Again you have no proof that I was wrong. Can you show us anything at all. What web-site did you find your information, etc, etc?
I never said between 40% and 50%. I said 1/2 market price for the PPO's. Look at goodfrees's post, he called the company and that is what HE said.