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The biggest problem for a wannabee Long is the strength...and SP running away on you...they will be chasing it up another .40...
IMHO you dont sweat the pennies ..not with imminent news
hope you guys all get to $2-$2.50 today and join the other fun )
doubt it...stock movement down here...is no substitute for fundamentals...IMHO...HTFBS will change its tune when real fundamental are reported and seen...
ps. its obvious you did not exist before the bloodbath...
IMHO..you chose not to listen ... many did and avoided most of the slaughter...
re-read the monthly letter starting October...
Then in your mind his words of "caution" and "disappointment" should have equal weight and be taken as warnings to "lighten up" or "sell" recommendations. Cant have it one way...
If its a matter of semantics...then...for those who did not lighten up...they were warned but did not listen...
The real problem with DSNY shareholders was that you have CEO directly commenting to them on every email and it lulls them into a false sense of "privileged" security...and they disregarded the objective cries and sage observations of Van...they felt like they are in a "privileged club" receiving the "real scoop" (hee hee ..."I got info no one else knows!") and would blast bits and pieces on DSNY board ...and those reading be affected in the same way...it is something FINRA/SEC fronds upon...for obvious reasons...it should be publicly discussed.
JB...you are absolutely right...IMHO some subscribers and "eavesdroppers" (non-subcribers on Ihub)...expect and expected a "sell" recommendation. HTFBS never said "buy" DSNY. Its purpose it to make aware the subscriber aware of "opportunities" and also inform when opportunities are becoming questionable because performance by management is not matching expectations. HTFBS did that with on DNSY.
The problem is some readers either didn't read the warnings or fell in love with the stock (and what they thought was "privileged" and "direct" access to management, and ignored the warning flags going back to October newsletter.
Jock..nice follow-up on technicals...appreciate it.
Good research Jock...a minute after the release the stock spiked and continued. Of course whatever was allegedly said by Steve in an alleged conversation with Basenese of WSD, would be better communicated to ALL shareholders in an open format... I believe FINRA and SEC would agree.
In any event, it appears WSD "plug" brought some more traders into DSNY...but if SA short and associates are still out there...IMHO expect more of the same from them before the AGM/RS.
ps. An investor told me yesterday, that he was told directly by Steve that an announcement will be forthcoming tomorrow...on "marketing" clipstream...if so, it should be good news for shareholders...my guess is, that is what could have been told to WSD...before the post, if a conversation occurred. Where DSNY SP will go from there is what will be telling. Traders will be traders...
pps. I dont trade on inside info...(regardless of the fact I warned DSNY could be heading to .80 ...200 sma before a bounce (dead cat or otherwise...time will tell))
glta
most investors fate is already locked in because of drop...they have no choice but to hold.
because he has no idea...only conjecture at this point....sad.
It has now hit its 200SMA...a buy?...not for me...not until we see the consequences of 1 for 5 RS...as I said yesterday...
IMHO...my prediction is SP will be beaten down before RS and then really beaten down after by any short who knows what he is doing.
Of course Steve refers to this as "not playing fair"...what are we in Kindergarten? Fair?...this is the freaking "Bulletin BRAWL" market...this company needs some serious experienced help in strategy...and execution
You are giving GIO too much credit and in doing so your are not looking for the root problem...you are looking at the "straw men" Steve is throwing up to you rather than taking a hard look elsewhere.
The premise of HTFBS analysis is based upon what the company said it had and what it was doing...if the development of those attributes were exaggerated by the company...The company is to blame, not HTFBS...
You guys are so reluctant to place blame where it should go if there is something fundamentally not working with the Company...
When premises are not fulfilled ... conclusions have to change.
Why have the premises not been fulfilled is the question...not the questioning the messenger of premises given to him as "fact".
Friday will be D-day...give them a day to let the ink dry on the "acceptance" notice. (imho...tomorrow they will be wooed by NYSE...and Friday accept Nasdaq)
Well if he is shorting it ...he will only buy to cover not to pump...he is not cost himself more to cover...
It always looks like a great buy...until it isnt
IMHO...Something very wrong here...if there is a major short here...it is going to drive this sub-$1 pre-RS then really hammer it post-RS
Steve better provide "real substance" in terms of contracts to avert a total debacle (this is reminiscent of 2008--2009 meltdown) ...but then again it proved to be a buying opportunity.
The problem is when Investors dont take responsibility for their own investment decisions and hold on when perhaps "yellow flags" are waived...a "straw-man" is created to beat up on ... instead of acknowledging to themselves that there were reasons to be cautious and they ignored them, either because they became "married" to the stock or because their "caution needle" was held down by direct "assurances" from management via direct emails. Being lulled to sleep is not anyone's responsibility but the sleeper.
I expect holders will recover...at some point...just dont know where that point will be...no one else seems to know either.
My read on DSNY has been that HTFBS...has been cautious...read the newsletter the last 2 months...giving Steve the benefit of the doubt...in fact holding off any other up and coming picks...IMHO in deference to DSNY shareholders...to give DSNY time to recover and execute... If Van wanted to tank DSNY he could have with his new pick(s) last month or even the month before...but he didn't.
I, for one, as a subscriber, am not in agreement. I am interested in investing in other stocks Van has discovered and don't appreciate him holding off when $ can be made elsewhere...because a company has stumbled.
If you read HTFBS's commentary for the last 2 months on DSNY...it has been very "cautious"...with the "faux" launch and poor follow-through from less than accurate insinuations by the company.
I still have my reservations with Steve...from one who attended several investors conferences and asked pointed questions...the answers,statements and representations he made and wanted investors to "understand" did not match up...and that is his and the company's biggest problem right now. Credibility...
Think you comments would be better directed to FredScott36...in lala land.
I dont like any investor losing money anywhere...(been there done that)
...never shorted a stock, nor would I...IMHO a very risky proposition, especially with BB stocks with low market caps which could be easily be acquired...
In the end...the SP will tell you what PlayMPE is worth as well as Clipstream (when it gets really launched and marketed).
But why there has been an exodus from DSNY, may have to some extent, do with shorts or investors gravitating to other more attractive investments etc...but this does not happen to a company executing on all cylinders...and management making excuses, instead of getting the job done on time and as when represented...
I hope everyone recovers...but hope is not my investment strategy...
IMHO...announcement by Friday...perhaps we see $4 upon announcement...then IMHO real buyers come in
hopefully Nasdaq over NYSE...more versatility in indexes
Nice action...still chipping away at the ask....likely close over $3.50 today.
already taken...but it appears VLN is still open...LOL (Would that be considered "advertising"?
The answer is that you dont advertise something you are not ready to sell...double wammy...you waist money and you disappoint the inquirers.
Its obviously taking more time than expected. Steve has always said he is not going to be rushed and will put it out when it is ready... He is just living up to his word. Guess there will be an explanation in a week.
Thanks Sons
Where the iBox is located is still a mystery to me..anyone point in the direction...been all over the site...thanks
my point SONS...if they want it back its like creating a mini-short squeeze
Jock..Where is it? Thanks
looks like some moving SPIHF into XXII today...good luck buying back SPIHF... )
Another way of making the same point...If execution and strategy is so good, why is the stock reacting so badly?
Yes...HTFBS subscribers have been dis'ed as "not educated when it comes to investing in the stock market"...and I responded, but the moderator(s) removed my response...very open minded...
I supporse disparaging remarks and comments about an individual, if not an entire group, is tolerated and comments not removed depending upon what side of the fence moderators are on,(which Moderators must view as giving one the right to do so at will).
My understanding is the application is submitted for informal review and authorities come back with "comments" (noting need for documentation, clarifications or deficiencies). Once they are responded to, to the satisfaction of Exchange, but are require increase in SP to be complete...its just a waiting game. IMHO,that is why XXII is so confident. All the "i's" are dotted and "t's" crossed and only need the trigger....PRICE.
IMHO...once price is met, it should take no more than a few days, if not less (unless Exchanges schedule reviews once a week or twice a month). Doubt it will take more than a day or two (could be wrong). This is competition for companies and revenue for the Exchanges...once they meet it, they want to land them as much as the company wants to be on the exchange.
as I said before...Thursday looked like at or near bottom...good to hear your analysis...hope it pans out to the upside. But no doubt chart is ugly for now.
Ah...and therein lies the problem:
The quote from Management email: " I talked to a lot of investors, and I find many have unrealistic expectations, thinking we'd get our first multimillion dollar deal within days of making the product publicly available. That's not realistic, and no one here inside the Company expected that."
Why unrealistic expectations?... Who communicated the message?
Perhaps when management takes responsibility for the response to the message...the correct message and understanding will occur in the future.
In the meantime, would the true and clear message have been too disappointing at the time it was given? Was it intentionally vague or less clear in time-frame to keep investors "in the game"?
Perhaps the clearer more accurate message would have been: "This is a BETA launch and it could take us up to 6 months to develop and launch the full commercially viable version...so sit back and enjoy the ride".
We all know where the SP would have gone ... probably where it is now.
lol..."What game are you playing"...playing nothing...telling you what I see and IMHO, I dont see them doing anything but a RS to get to Nasdaq...(unless DSNY is ready to report a spectacular win at AGM)...management has painted itself into a corner...
said it a dozen times...just read the posts for my reasoning if interested. Nothing more to say.
That's good...they "believe" ...they have to...they have investors to answer to for their purchase...(400k shares not a monumental endorsement...I once had 180K)
The picture is pretty clear...with or without them. Time will tell now. Again..glta...
IMHO...it could be...but slow grow...means slow revenue...which means slow SH appreciation...and "time" + "lost opportunity" = Real Money.
Lets face it ...everyone knows what the Company needs to do...its just a broken record now. Please someone lift the needle. I am getting bored going over it over and over.
glta...
Brooklyn...Dont know who they are and what they are saying! And it dont care at this point, because any analyst at this point making comments on the company WITHOUT REAL NEWS*...is just blowing it out of their butt for the company,(*unless of course they are given critical inside info)
I am only saying what I AM saying...as I see it. "No squeeze, Broken Chart, RS...absent Real and Compelling news"...Company has a chance at "redeeming" itself...and SP...lets see if it does or can.
Nothing...stops them from doing that now or in the past... except the Board and Management...
Someone has to be bold and aggressive...like they believe in what they have.