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Gov received "dividends" for payment toward debt and not for a forever profit. Spinning a new narrative is what is going on.
Gov received more than enough money.
Looking forward to lp zeroed and warrants tossed.
No matter who tells you different.
Facts remain.
FNMA FMCC
Fair value is what I seek and not this BS that prints nowadays.
Looking forward to lp written down to zero.
Gov. collected "dividends" to be applied toward payment, not for profit. They are trying to change the narrative.
Companies that are undercapitalized and under conservatorship do not pay profits out with large outstanding debt and no money in their piggy bank to protect against a downturn.
I am not falling for the lie being pushed.
This has gone on long enough. Sandra and obiddy don't care to act. They love the power. So here we sit.
Still in play. I am staying positive. You should try it. Cross over to the dark side. The commons will welcome you with open arms. We wont judge. I promise.
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JMO
So nothing is happening?
Just more delays. Correct?
So the arguments for tomorrow Lamberth were rescheduled at a time TBD?
So..The only arguments still scheduled for tomorrow will be the ones between ihub members.
At least that wasn't rescheduled.
Most likely nothing is announced. Not that I don't await some positive news, but anything that would be announced will be nothing, next to nothing, and/or little bit and will probably take forever to put in motion. Just my opinion on the matter.
Unless deese is going to be the unlikely hero in this saga. Cementing a legacy for all FNMA/FMCC holders.
It could happen.
Til the end on this, no matter what.
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JMO
The whole market including crypto is falling.
This means nothing.
But, I guess panic selling is needed.
How do you think rich get rich?
Not from buying high, selling low.
When there's blood in the streets.
Average joe locks in losses and Mr. Moneybags is there more than happy to buy from you.
I wonder why?
Not worried. If you don't understand. Don't bother trying.
EVETYTHING IS RED. MEANS NOTHING.
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JMO
I do understand both common and jp.
I wasn't claiming to not.
Thank you, full agreement.
We've all had plenty of time to make our choices.
Let's ask questions, discuss new issues that arise, and be civil.
I'm fully confident in my choice. Not really constructive for me to hear how stupid or foolish I am for my decision.
If someone doesn't see things how I do. That's fine. It doesn't make me a fool.
Thanks for your time responding.
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JMO
When others don't understand something, they fear it. And feel the need to tear ideas down that they don't understand.
If you don't understand prefs. , don't invest.
If you don't understand commons, don't invest.
If you don't understand and don't assume full responsibility for your decision and risks you take, then don't invest.
Don't let others understanding sway your decision making.
Not wise because you alone live with the consequences.
100% C O M M O N S
FNMA FMCC
FTW
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$200+pps FNMA FMCC
Wiseman can give the exact value.
But just like prefs, commons trading far below fair value.
Both jp & common move up and down from reasons, mostly having nothing to do with anything specific. Mostly.
We see when a big move happens it is tied to news.
All stocks move up and down every day. They don't flatline until news. All movement doesn't imply news.
IMO
Reasons: gov control, no divi, dead money, uncertainty, lack of action, otc, manipulation, ignorant to truth of gse story, ignorant to what FnF are and what they do. Tired of waiting for action and nothing occurs, etc. All reasons why price is c r a p.
One day, who knows when, the prices will move on real news and everyone will see it on a gainer's list and jump in.
Is my opinion on the situation.
Stay strong Clark. I'm here with you.
FnF FTW.
Wrong.
Who said where I get my opinion from?
Did I quote Ano?
Or did Ano post similar thought?
I am not here to explain every thought I have for you to agree.
I don't have enough time and there isn't anything to say that would convince you. That is not the purpose of my post. It is a thought of mine. That also carries a disclaimer.
Pps of junior or commons don't matter right now unless you are daytrading.
Still waiting on actual math behind 10cent theory.
I'm probably not alone on that.
The longer the pps stays down then more time to add for me.
Pro and con.
Pro: time and good entry
Con: more waiting
Single director controlled by *prez cannot be independent agency. Self dealing.
BOD uncontrolled by *prez, overseeing fhfa is what
will keep it constitutionally structured and independent.
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Companies aren't actually getting any money if it is added to a running tab and retrieved in full ( original #*190ishBillion + lp increase from retained) at a later date.
Unless, lp is written to zero which is very likely to happen, IMO.
Then the companies do benefit in a real way from retained earnings.
Otherwise more accounting trickery is what it is and nothing more.
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JMO
If thompson is confirmed. Fhfa is no longer independent.
Self dealing is what will be happening (like usual) if deals are made between treasury (potus control) and fhfa (potus control).
So no go because fhfa was set up to be independent.
So what needs to happen for the fhfa to be constitutionally structured AND be independent? A board of directors overseeing the fhfa. That's what.
You'll do just fine. I'm looking forward to some evidence finally coming to light.
I like your positive attitude. Yes, we fight on.
FNMA FMCC FTW
I wonder when remand for collins would arrive.
Is there a timeframe, within reason, courts would set a date for remand?
Answers are needed and I am looking forward to evidence to be revealed. We know there is evidence. Will it see the light of day in a court? It better.
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Ron, if you really want to stump these people, ask them to show you the math behind their conversion and recapitalization fantasies. I guarantee, the only sound you'll hear from them is silence; these folks have only a passing acquaintance with arithmetic (and accounting).
— Bryndon Fisher (@bryndonfisher) May 6, 2022
Never giving up, friend.
FnF FTW.
I appreciate your responses. But, you agree with me only to then start it all over again.
We agree cap structure doesn't imply massive dilution.
We already agreed. That is the only point of my original post. Which was several posts ago.
Yes, IF you look at FnF cap structure and IF gov, courts, fhfa, congress or whoever DO THIS or DO THAT in the most dilution based actions, then yes there will be dilution. IF. IF. IF.
Again wasn't talking about IF. Just about cap structure definition and understanding FnF cap structure. It doesn't and you agreed, and you should agree because it is fact, that it doesn't imply massive dilution.
See nothing to debate.
Only IF you consider cap structure and insert speculation of IF THIS or IF THAT could it mean massive dilution. BUT, since I wasn't posting about IF's then there is no argument/ debate.
Hopefully this makes sense to you.
Thanks.
Exactly what I've been saying. Yes, the gov might want to squeeze out more money, but why is there encouragement for them to steal more?
Holders in the gses: gov stole.
Also holders: steal more
Holders: you've been paid
Also holders: convert sp and pay yourself again
Gov will see there lies work and tell judges in court or papers that even shareholders know we haven't been paid. Even they know we can use the warrants. The shareholders are, in fact, begging us to convert and use warrants.
NOT HELPING. I suspect most saying these foolish things are pref holders. Most not all. But still.
We know c-ship is fraud. Why say otherwise?
We know gov paid back. Why say convert sp to pay back?
We know massively compensated. Why say use warrants?
I'm not saying what will or wont happen. I'm not saying we aren't in a major mess.
What I am saying is this and only this:
WOULD PEOPLE REFRAIN FROM ENCOURAGING MORE THEFT?
Unless you work for the gov, corrupt, compromised , or incompetent. Then stop. It is not helping.
But anyway. How's everyone doing today?
Comments about judge. In fairness pretty much all were good comments with this negative comment I posted. I just wonder who wrote the good comments. I can guess who wrote the bad. Just like a yelp review. It could be reviews for show.
Who knows? I wonder which one we'll get. I know the one we prefer.
Other
Comment #: 34271
Rating:10.0
Comments:
This judge is one of the fairest and most honest judges that I have ever dealt with. He has my respect.
Or......
Civil Litigation - Private
Comment #: 24865
Rating:Not Rated
Comments:
It is disgusting to me that Ellison protects the crimes of the US Government against its citizens, by denying the opportunity of justice "in his court." FACT - Ellison gets his paycheck from the same government that he protects!!!!!! Laws are for keeping citizens in line, NOT for keeping a government honest. [Redacted by Ed.]
Link for comments:
https://t.co/kRT3qHPqKX
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The definition of capital structure by itself does not imply massive dilution, that's correct.
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Exactly.
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But that's only if you only look at things on the surface and don't apply any critical thinking. What implies massive dilution is the huge gap FnF have between their current capital levels and what the capital rule requires.
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No. The definition still does not imply dilution. Don't assume things and don't read into things. Like saying I don't use critical thinking. I know the defintion of cap structure which,not by you, but was said that anyone owning commons is foolish and doesn't understand cap structure. That was the purpose of the definition supplied and nothing more. I also know the cap structure of the gses. Believe me, I've had time to find out. We all have had the time. Others calling common owners foolish or stupid is...well anyway. Again not saying you called anyone those names. If you read my post and used critical thinking then it is you and anyone else that would understand what I said. There is no secret code in my words. I supplied the definition. Yes. I said it doesn't imply massive dilution. Yes. Both true. And you agreed. Why continue a debate where there isn't one?
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You appear to have the rationale behind my owning the juniors and not the commons backwards. I own only the juniors precisely because I think there is a significant (at least 25%) chance of the existing common being so heavily diluted that they lose money from here. I came up with various scenarios for the juniors and commons including price estimates and probabilities, and decided that the commons are not worth owning at ratios below 10:1 on FNMAS:FNMA.
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No. I never commented on your rationale.
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The reverse is not true: I did not come up with high-dilution scenarios in order to retroactively justify my investment in the juniors. If the right events happen I would be more than happy to switch some of my portfolio to commons.
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Never said you did.
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Are there any future events that would cause you to sell some or all of your commons and buy the juniors?
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Anything short of the greatest insider tip. (And that wouldn't happen). I would not sell any commons, but I would consider adding preferreds with new money that comes in. I have a good size position of common and it wouldn't be a bad idea to add some prefs.
Thanks for the reply
How is your day going? Hopefully well.
Who cares if tim p sold or not?
Stay the course. Confidence is key. Just like....
$fnmas to par $25 in the next year. At like $4 now. Restructuring inbound
— Fanniegate Hero (@DoNotLose) May 2, 2022
Me.
Oh, my bad.
I knew I forgot something.
Excuse the joking. But....
Serious though, "prez" or people telling "prez" what and when to do anything. I think they like status quo. Their hand needs to be forced. The order will come from high up and just appear to come from fhfa or treasury or congress. It's a show and not a very good one. We'll see.
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I was wondering why all the posts today.
A lot had to do with tim p. selling or not?
I own commons, but if I owned preferreds I would not base my confidence in tim p. holding a position or not.
That's me. How can I or any other holder of common feel conviction when we are doomed according to some, but pref, who are golden, are worried about tim p. position?
Just advice, but don't worry so much. If you did your homework on your investment and have confidence, you'll be fine.
Instead of nervous if a certain person said or did something.
Even "the great" tim.
Just me, maybe, but it did seem like some had jitters over the thought.
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JMO
I can appreciate your thought.
It would be a long shot to see money, especially of significant size to be returned, but I do think it is still possible for the right thing to occur.
Here's to us all and the day this ends. With justice of course.
Thanks.
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JMO
Cap structure doesn't imply massive dilution.
Yes, money has to come from somewhere.
No one knows for a fact from where it will come. Nothing is certain.
Nobody, including myself.
We have opinions and speculation. That's about it.
When? And what will we have when it's over?
I don't know, but my opinion is for a favorable outcome.
Much more favorable than the dismal outlook of some others.
We'll see. It's not over.
Thanks for response.
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JMO
Again.
I am not arguing a point of IF....IF....IF.
And what happens if this or if that.
Just supplied the definition acknowledging that I and others are aware of it's meaning (cap structure).
And it doesn't imply massive dilution.
The definition of cap structure makes you laugh out loud?
Okay.
And if the those are the odds YOU give the outcome.
That's fine. I'm not here arguing against your opinion.
Just stating a fact.
I don't need luck. But thanks.
Not implied. Thank you for agreeing.
Who said cap structure didn't matter?
I gave the definition of cap structure, acknowledging it's meaning.
No where in it's definition does it imply massive dilution.
No use in debating a point that I am not debating.
Saying what could happen does not apply to my post.
I still thank you for your response.
First clip is amazing. These people are in charge.
Gb already predicted .10c. He called sub .50 before you did.
Restructuring doesn't mean dilution.
That is not the definition.
The two words are not interchangeable.
Gse reform doesn't mean dilution.
Cap stack doesn't mean dilution.
These words are not interchangeable.
Speaking as if they are misleads others.
Especially when implication is reform, cap stack, and restructure lead to massive dilution down to .10 cents. Please explain the math on how all this gets accomplished.
Otherwise.....
Use a disclaimer and do better at explaining yourself.
Choose words carefully. Ethics and morals wouldn't hurt.
No. No quizas.
FnF Commons 100%.
I will win out , I will not lose.
When?
That I do not know.
But it's a matter of when, not if.
Not an opinion. A fact.
Never ending.
Boiler rooms in Miami now?
Wow.
I do not recommend owning $FNMA or $FMCC common shares heading into this restructuring. My view is there is no security. pic.twitter.com/UEHt7hE5QR
— Fanniegate Hero (@DoNotLose) April 27, 2022
No disclaimer?
You give financial advice and someone could lose money.
You trash commons every chance you get and hype preferreds.
Wolf of Wall Street is that you?
What is the definition of corruption?
Hurry someone look it up.
They are corrupt.
I didn't say why I thought they were.
You said why they weren't.
There is a difference.
And $200+/sh isn't an anticipation.
Again your words.
Still not a fantasy to me.
And Deplorable to be clear. Not degenerate.
Speaking for myself of course.
Thanks for response.
No fantasy about scotus. Corrupt as they are.
And it's $200+/sh.
But thanks for asking. How are you today?
P.s.
Not a reject.
A Deplorable.
Your welcome. I enjoyed it a lot. Thought I'd share.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Very welcome. I thought you would enjoy it.
I don't know who the american bull is or what is a golden cross. But the man's testimony in that video will shed some light.
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/6260d84a155d6f00fbeb8ec5
$200 Pps or HIGHER
I said or HIGHER.
Thanks for responding.
Even if you are laughing at me.
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I don't know if it hit the pps of .70, but we are close.
I wont mind while we wait for justice for this to print .70 or better .50 /sh. I'm waiting on some money to add. People wont know what they are missing until they have missed it.
Not everybody makes a big win overnight. Yes it has been years for us, but that's the chance you take.
Even gb will agree that people don't understand how good these price levels are for buying before a move.
He and I just disagree on which to purchase.
I say both common and prefered. One and/or the other.
He says just preferred.
P.s.
Hope everything works out for you, but if you aren't in, then are you here for the show/entertainment?
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