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Well, its either the calm before the storm or the stillness before death arrives...guess only time will tell....
Fish, add my name to the list as I'm not sure if its on there.
Christopher L. Scott...
Thanks and good look in research hibernation!
yeah it was great to meet the fellow share holders and I was very much surprised...:). I almost told her it was not good to lie lol! And SMH at strike thinking I was 42 LOL...all in good fun...can't wait for that VEGAS trip man that will be something special!
Fish having played football for Oregon State I just want you to know I truly despise that jacket...LOL!
But you two are cute!
Exactly Mehdi, cause an examination would be too damming. So I'm just gonna wait and see and continue to be hopefully optimistic. Today was a win and examiner still looms be it 3rd circuit or the Judge, but is not the end all be all. Our Lawyers no what they do...
Well we will know one way or another if we are in the money or if settlement talks are going on with the next DS, when that will be no one knows, but if it changes to include equity in the money it would have to be filed in the next two weeks if Rosen still wants the DS on the July 8th omnibus otherwise anything after July 1st the judge will delay and wait to hear to allow for objections. So its just a wait and see game, but as Nelson said there is nothing guaranteed one way or another...However, Rosen sung a different tune today about equity...no mention we are not in the money, but "if there is fruit." Oh so now there may be fruit. LOL I think the next hearing it will go from just fruit to low hanging fruit and then what all of us hope to hear high hanging fruit!
IMHO I think they found something that could be a smoking gun that has brought parties to the table for a good faith discussion about continued discover a true global settlement and etc. Just my two cents.
Now going to workout and relax, won't be posting tonight or prob till next week unless something else transpires as true longs will just wait for the end!
Oh I spoke and met Willingham briefly after we shook hands I said to him "Rosen is one sneaky SOB, isn't he" Willingham smiled, and kinda silently chuckled proceeded to walk away, but not before turning around with a smile and slight chuckle saying "I'm going to invoke my 5th amendment rights"...LOL, but his smile and face said it all. I also thanked him on all shareholders behalf in fighting for us.
Well you all have fun and don't go crazy everything will come together one way or another and it will happen in a flash...good or bad!
Luv...hmmm...how much do you luv me, enough to bail me out when WAMU hits, if I somehow manage to make you fall head over hills by taking Rosen on a five minute break to help him find some money! Say like 50 billion....LMFAO!
No problem, its the least I can do for the board, given all the board does for me and others....
Uz just use your parental instincts bro I think we all make good points, but ultimately it is your decision...But if Ilene's daughter could watch her great then you could come and it solves things for you! But you know her best and ultimately it is your choice!
If you can't come we all understand and no one will fault you one way or the other! :)
Uz bring her because one way to look at it is to show that the shareholders are there and common folk with families and real lives and that this issue is so important for us to show up with our families! Just one perspective to look at it and the benefit of bringing her!
She could but she not coming it was too long for her plus has to work. So maybe bringing the lip one might be iffy depending on length.
I'LL help to. Also I'm not wearing a damn suit this time. I'm not a lawyer so I'm gonna just go in slacks and a polo. Plus it will just be tooo damn hot. Lol.
Looks like we got one he'll of an Ihub team going!!!
I don't know gonna be interesting. I recall at the last meeting that the Judge asked Nelson which he preferred and he indicated that he would rather have the Examiner which is relevant by thier reasoning and basis for filing for an examiner in the first place. Discovery was only an option as they wanted FULL discovery....so it should be interesting to see what happens on Thursday and if the EC will just push for Examiner based on meet and confer and all the nonsense with confidential documents at thier discretion...but cud end up being another delay! SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Yall should be worried about ME AND VODOO, hell we could feed off each other If I snap then he waits to snap again...or vice versa...:) LOL
Yes, Ill be at the hearing. Twitter is uniquelytrill...Oh and I apologize now for any expletives (especially in advance to windfall)!
I seriously almost jumped on him leaving the hotel, but my better half was there...ummm she won't be there this time, but Ill be on my best behavior, besides Ilene will be there she has a nice calming demeanor so she could keep me and vodooo in check, I think.
I believe we are going to have quite a few shareholders there if I'm not mistaken. Definitely more than the last one.
Hmmm now why is it his damn letters are always posted days or weeks after its received hmmmmm?! Very interesting received 4 days ago and just now showing up...same thing with his analysis except it was damn near two weeks...not sure but there must be a reason his gets postponed!
Yes strike front row again!!!!!
The hotel across the street from the court..don't know the name but it has a deli and grill damn something like Roberts, ill check my bank account to see if it shows up...
But that is the same place I thanked the UST and saw Rosen and his staff leaving the hotel when I was going to run up on him, but my GF advised not a good idea especially since I had my shirt off in a tank top with my tattoos showing...so I restrained myself against my better judgment!
Yup that's what she said...
LOL to windfall a couple of days about me and voodoo taking rosen outside...
What was blacked out can someone post the document that was blacked out please...thanks
Ummm I would call BS to this, but the fact remains I don't know one way or another whether you are being truthful. Though the fact that you say a big meeting with serious hitter are there kinda leads me to believe that you are being truthful as there is supposed to be a meet and confer regarding discovery this week....so I hope you aren't just some silly pumper and for your sake better hope you aren't either. As you would be playing with too many peoples emotions.....
Someone said a settlement for WAMU, but why WAMU no longer exists...it was acquired by JPM two years ago!
Oh yeah what is BK? Burger King...is JPM trying to get ATM's in Burger King, I'm so confused...please explain...Thank you!
voodo your crazy...LOL
Well Ill see you in court on the 17th too then...damn were gonna have the crazies in court on the 17th...Ill bring duct tape, now someone needs to bring a pillow case and a POR....:)
it will be great to see you there uzual!!!!
Are those numbers their ages...Wonder if most of them are even capable of making sound decisions. Not to sound ageist, but based on what they are doing or lack thereof would indicate otherwise...
She will deny the DS because it is not reasonable AND the EC has not had access to documents that may be relevant and provide a smoking gun to prove that the DS is in fact not reasonable. Additionally, because the EC does not have the documents or looked at the debtors work production they can not truly ascertain whether or not the DS is accurate with respect to the financial analysis, claims being made and etc....
So its not an IF, it's just a matter of when...next week or the 17th, but either way come the 17th the DS will be dead...my opinion based on the last hearing, the judges comments, and Rosen's body language regarding the DS. Just my two cents!
We where there at 8 but went and ate and waited to meet up with Ilene, we did not actually get into the court room till like 9:20 or so and it was only a hand full of ppl in there...But I'd definitely just get in there when you arrive to ensure a seat in the front row because when ppl start coming in it gets pretty packed.
Ill most definitely be there on the 17th and hopefully we will have the motion for an examiner and the DS ruled on by then, which will make the 17th all the more fun to here arguments against the examiner and whatever else Rosen will have to say! Especially regarding the meet and confer...
Prob possible, but not likely. There's like 50-60 lawyers in the room easily. Not sure we can match that given The constraints many shareholders may face whatever they are.
Thanks risky
Uzual I don't know what the order was I believe it was pertaining to the judges ruling on the certified appeal...that part had me lost as well...two bullets were stricken from it. And I can't seem to get the damn audio file to work...sigh
Thanks fish...Relentless, Im checking now, but now that you say that I think you may be correct, but I'm gonna read through for clarity, but either way I'm expecting this to just set her over the edge and push her to vote on the DS before the 17th irregardless of the fact if she said "will" or "can" :)...
Whattttttttt, Diamond wrote that beautiful objection? Say it ain't so and if so, now wonder he keeps saying 2xs value!
now y cant i find the transcript? help anyone...maybe I'm losing my mind! TIA
The only argument was about ppl wanting to file more objections to the most recent amended DS, which she first said that she would not take any and base it on the original objections to see if debtors had addressed the objections in the most recent DS...there was an exchange and then she stated that she would take objections from those wishing to for the most recent DS, and they would need to be in by the 11th and the DS would be dealt with on the 17th. However, she indicated, as I stated in my last post, that she can rule on the DS anytime before the 17th. Ill check the transcript and post the qoute, sometime tonight.
Everyone, Just a reminder and FYI...the Judge stated clearly that the DS was rescheduled pushed back to the 17th However, if you listen to the audio or were on the phone she clearly stated that "I can rule on the DS at anytime before the 17th." I wouldn't be surprised to see a ruling denying the DS prior to the 17th in light of Rosen's shenanigans. Just IMHO.
Man I think examiner is coming very very soon can't wait till the 17th...:)
Even if they did shred the documents isn't there a law or laws that require them to be backed up at a third party facility or on there server and to be kept for x amount of years. I'm pretty sure this is the case or something very similar. Additionally, I would imagine that the third party places have protocols and processes in place that adequately and securely documents the parties, organizations, or individuals who have access to them and can access them. Moreover, there is probably a log of who accesses them, what time, the day, how long they were accessed and if they printed or made copies or something. I mean after all we are talking about documents that basically contain information on financials and banking operations, tax stuff and such...if there was no documentation of this stuff or Banks and/or CEO's could just purge this information at will, that would be bad. Very bad.
I seriously doubt they can just up and disappear...even the most sensitive of information for the government is does not just disappear at most its blacked out, with held, not given and/or hard to freaking access unless your the president and even then he is not ALL ACCESS. :) Just my two cents...
Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can chime in or a better understanding. I mean if its anything like the "data room" they were referring to yesterday I'd and the context in which passwords, access, and such was discussed I'd be inclined to believe that this is in fact the case. Now the processes and protocols could vary, but nevertheless it suggests there is something to this effect...
Sorry to ramble back to lurking!
Uzual Yes that's not a problem at all. I already spoke with Catz about posting on Ghost board.
Sorry I was out of posts yesterday and could not respond last night. :)
My last post of the day...sigh!
So fish basically what Bop is saying and is what I thought, but he/she succintly put it and clarified is that she will either find a way that is 100% certain to rule and allow discovery...i.e. work production from debtors to EC. or if not, as she said, she will appoint an Examiner...-well if your not going to turn over discover due to work production, then I should have just appointed an examiner cause they would have access to work production and all other documents!
So either way the 17th should be telling and should be the final draw in what we thought was going to happen today we either get discover=work prodcution documents and other items or and examiner. That is if we are not settled and the meet and confer does not satisfy the EC's and Sussmans appetite. :)
Night all. Ill be lurking until tomorrow morning. Take care and have fun. :)
Okay all of those that got fed ex packages if you look the docket numbers end at 5/13 and in the 4300's this docket up and up posted that hit pacer today is 4513 but was dated one day later than the others...So that tells me in fact it was held from showing up on pacer and such, but why? are they that far behind...I doubt it because other objections in the 4400's showed up prior till today.
Plus those other dockets in the 4500's posted well in advance of today...so why now any theories, by the way good analysis based on the objection...
I wanted to yell fing liar a bunch of times instead I just tweeted it LOl. Sorry Windfall for the expelitives. Strikes right on with everything that happened.
I have some pics up on twitter of rosen whom I tweeted looks like a newborn baby calf...true story.
The Judge said basically there is a need for discovery of FDIC's documents in case there is a smoking gun that would show the unreasonableness of the settlement and plan and also provide documentation of money or assets.
And please as to not piss me off and until she rules against equity, and approves a DS and POR that leaves us out do not comment on the Judge being in bed with JPM or the FDIC...only thing she is guilty of is being soft, and that may even be a stretch but I only say that because she is lenient to a fault and ensures every side gets equal opportunity to do as she has instructed (kinda like spades, won't force you to renege, but eventually if you keep doing it enough you end up essentially formfitting the entire game, not just the hand). I truly believe she plays by a three strikes rule. Her faces, which many of you can not see told the true story. So when you listen to the audio of BR and the FDIC and JPM, just keep in mind the judges expressions were ones of that's BS, your kidding me. you can't be serious, your excuses are weak and lame, your being repetitive, and oh yes your not going to leave equity out...biggest of all she finally made clear the point with the debtors that they are not our adversarial and they need to and should be working in partnership with the EC, but the way the debtors were arguing with the lawyers you would think they were in fact adversaries. Her face and body language said what she could not say...
Also she made comments about the DS and Settlement being reasonable I think some hints that she believes they are not reasonable. Further more based on her exchange with Rosen and the Debtors in addition to her statements about confirmation without the EC having discovery documents, I think the plan, DS and confirmation as it stands right now is dead and she would in now way confirm them. I think even on the 17th they will not be confirmed.
I saw rosen leaving the hotel cause me and my girlfriend ate at the grill attached to it, also where I spoke to and thanked the UST! (he has hearing aides FYI, so I was basically screaming at him)...I got up to run up on him and tell him Karma's a b...., but of course my better half stopped me in my tracks and said "Chris don't be stupid and its not a good idea...especially since I had damn near undressed myself in just a tank top as it was hot as hell outside.
But we can hold our heads up high today...rosen looked like shit today and was nervous to say the least as the hearing went on. Rosen's crafty and smart. By asking for that five minute break he saved what I believe would have been a ruling on discovery. By coming in and pulling the lawyers Nelson included up front for a mini conference he proposed the meet and confer about discovery. Once the judge came back in Rosen stated that they were all in agreement to do a meet and confer, which the judge was inclined to do to let everyone work the discovery process out themselves vs her granting full discover as though it were a litigation trial. Because prior to that move the judge basically called the debtors out and scarred ol punk ass Rosen pulled his motion for limited discovery. LOL funny how things work out. So I truly believe this is the debtors last chance to do right for the EC regarding discovery production.
Oh yeah a correction someone mentioned the FDIC discovery documents being thin and the reference to JFK assassination. They were not thin, but rather much of the 235 pages were blacked out, which prompted Nelson to make that comment. LOL judge smiled like a lil kid like yes they are seeing the light.
Sorry for the long post only 3 posts remaining
CORRECT MY UNDERSTANDING TOO SUNSHINE. SO WE SHALL SEE HAT MOTION EITHER BEFORE THE MEET AND CONFER ON DISCOVERY OR AFTER IF THINGS DONT GO THE WAY THE EC WANTS.
OH AND TRUST ME ROSENS DEMEANOR AND ACIOMS IN COURT HELL ALL H COUNCIL RO THE DEBTRS DO NOT WANT AN EXAMINER AND IT HAS NOTHING O DO WITH COSTS OR ESTATE EXPENSES. LOL. GOTTA LOVE IT.
Ilene. I'm def taking you up on the dinner offer. ;).
No prob. My gmail got hammered with all the Twitter requests. Thank god I unlocks my tweets. Otherwise I would have spent all hearing adding ppl.
Ilene we would need you to go talk to the judge or get some items during the meelee you'd be unsuspecting. Lol. Last post till I'm home ort tomorrow. Thanks all for the support.
I'll also be at the next hearing FYI. May even go early and stay to explore DE. He'll might find our missing 26 billion. Lol. TTYL