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didn't someone post in the last week that O/S was upwards of 1.5 billion?
point taken, and also to Blah, I realize that them guys do exist, but to label a man a racist based solely on assumptions is just as wrong as Racism. In fact based solely on unfounded assumption, in my opinion it becomes reverse racism, if there is such a thing. Comments about someones inability to speak english are a huge "Primary" talking point of late. and by definition are not Racism. It is a mere matter of fact or a form of bullying if directed at that person in a manner to try and assert some type of control or influence over them, but it is not racism. It is kinda like calling a mentally handicapped person a "retard". Not racism, albeit not very nice.
King, I hope you don't view this as an attack, I merely wish to open your eyes a little, this isn't the Sean Hannity show, This is a TIVU message board for us to discuss this stock and little else. Just as it was probably wrong for him to mention Obama, he was drawing a parallel to the transparency (or lack there of) of the current president's administration in his opinion to that of the transparency of information that the stockholders have seen with TIVUS and the management over the course of the last year. He may or may not like people with dark skin, but his comments don't make his feelings on that clear one way or another. The only way you could come to that conclusion is by assuming. why do you assume that his comment about The Obama presidency has anything to do with the color of Obama's skin. It really gets old seeing, reading and hearing so many people accuse those that are not happy with the Obama administration as racist just because they disagree with the man's politics. Give me a break.
Actually that was Edison, not Einstein, but I get your point....LOL
Mike I realize that a lot of people have made MM's based on speculation. I too would love to be one of those guys. In a round about way, I guess I was asking how you came up with your figures? I simply provided my rationale, not to sound condescending, but to demonstrate my basis that I have based on what I consider to be somewhat rational thought. Honestly, I think there are a lot of if's that have to line up, and regardless of the negative chatter here, I think they will eventually line up quite nicely. but it is going to take a bit more time. Don't think that it will happen today or even this month. I have a very "out there" theory on why the price is where it is, (you can read my post from Jan 6). If you have some notes, i would love to see them, analyze, and discuss them reasonably. I admittedly have much to learn, and in no way, form, or fashion intend to come off as some type of know all, show all individual. I simply would like to compare thoughts and learn. I would have hoped that was the purpose of a TIVUS board, again that seems way more logical than it's seemingly current use and purpose. but I am guessing since you took my question as an attack on you personally, this will probably bring our discussion to a close. The ball is in your court my friend, i wish you and everyone else here the best in your future endeavors. and apologize for any ill feelings i might have caused. JPR
Mike....Not trying to come across as negative nelly here, but what financials do you have that would suggest that this is a six million dollar company today? Just because it was valued at 6 million two years ago doesn't mean that it is today. I like the stock, I love the technology, but the way that I understand it, all chips are in the philly install, and that consist of roughly 2 million worth of equipment that is now at least 6 months used. and without knowing the details of the agreement between Host and TIVUS for the install, I would bet that getting our equipment back if HOST balked would prove next to impossible. BUT there is still the revenue from the ADs that are running, and if Philly contract didn't happen then I suppose that would mean no split in the revenue with the Hotel so Revenue would be increased as long as the hotel continued to use our service, and we didn't shut it off. But But But, lets just say all is good, they are happy, and our 2 million worth of equipment is still worth 2 million, That puts company value at 2 million, and a PPS of .0013. with the five year contract on just those 1400 rooms brings value less expenses to maybe six million and a PPS that you suggest. Maybe a little higher on initial hype. an announcement of multiple hotels could drive this way higher but we have to wait and see. GLTY
Nothing in my post was intended to be negative. If you took it that way then I am sorry. I was only trying to point out the facts. I too want to see this thing go sky high, but until we get the answers i mentioned, I don't believe it will happen. anyone posting that TIVUS is installed in philly and they are happy is just wasting post. That is certainly not NEWS to anyone on this board. If you want something positive then "I just saved a ton of money by switching to GEICO" GLTY
"He also said that it is a great service with no problems and that it has been seamless for their guests. He doesn't know when they will be installing it in other locations but said that it should be fine for wherever it is installed next since they have such a large hotel and experienced no problems."
Once again the sum of peoples statements just don't add up. the manager said "no problems", the figure that you quoted was 80%, IF they had one complaint with the old system, and none now, that is 100%. How did they come up with the 80% number?
I dont think there is even a question as to whether or not TIVUS is alive and well in Philly Marriot. WAG and JWEZ assured us of its existance and that it worked really well with cool bells and whistles. The question is what about Omaha? Other hotels? the contract announcement? The stated up-list? The Share Buy-back? The financials that show revenue?
These are the things that are holding the PPS below value. Not sure what any phone calls are going to do to get those answers, unless I can somehow get that bell-hop on the line again, and ask the important questions.
Thanks for the tip, tried it myself, except I asked to speak with the bell hop, and got the same answers. Although he had a funny Indian Accent, so I had to ask him to repeat more than once. At the end of my call, I said "Thank you Shiva" and he replied "You are very weeelll-coooome, friend"
Anyone with level 2, how many shares are available on the ask?
vulcan,
the cost of the trades at 2 million shares is not going to net that much profit on two ticks. some might be happy with that kind of return, but I doubt you will entice many to do that. now if you held for say .0013 or higher it could be worth your time and money. a quick double is what i think most would consider worthwhile. the problem with flippin on two up ticks, is the amount of time that your money is held up after the sell. If you could do this 3 or 4 times a day it might be worth it, but not when the broker holds your funds for a day or more before releasing after sell is finalized.
Brian,
I certainly agree that they are worth consideration, and they are valid points. I don't agree that they are "unarguable". The only thing that nobody can really argue with is the fact that Management has failed miserably at communicating with us, the stockholders, In my opinion, it is as if they don't even realize that we are here. In one breath SP thanks us for sticking it out, and sends word back to us via WAG and JWEZ that he wants the communication to be better, but he has demonstrated no effort on his part, in my opinion. All the guessing and speculation of rumors in this board are a direct result of information not being freely shared with us investors. If it wasn't for the fact that I view this stock as undervalued, i would not be here. Like I said yesterday I believe the real money value of the stock to be presently @ .0013, with a single hotel contract i put the value at approx .004 as long as shares are selling below those levels i will continue to buy. above those levels I will sell on up ticks. My math is probably off somewhat, but it hasn't failed me on this venture yet. If you read my post from Jan 6 2012, you will see that i believe this thing is still at least one or two more months away from seeing a real run for reasons that most everyone thinks I am crazy for believing. I am willing to bet that the conference will generate some more interest in TIVUS, and we will see some market movement based on it, but short of a contract announcement this thing won't hold. sell on the waves, and re-buy down here. Everyone has different strategies, and many are holding everything long, I believe they will eventually make out ok, as long as they have a planned exit strategy, but in the mean time, there is plenty of money to be made that they are missing out on. many think this hurts the stock, I tend to believe that there is no way my small but growing holdings could have anything other than a minute impact overall.
PAC, my post was not GOSPEL... It was just a gut feeling, after thinking long and hard over how SP could apparently know so darn much about a common shares trade that was "unregistered". It may not even be anywhere close to true, simply speculation, but I would not be surprised to find out that that was it.
not trying to start any rumors here, I have no basis for this thought other than a gut feeling, but I just wonder if that sudden "conversion" and cash out at the .002 range was none other than Steve Haag and/or the Marriot Brothers cutting all ties. we have heard nothing from these guys, SP doesn't seem to want to talk at all about him or the Marriot brothers. yet he allegedly knows a whole heck of a lot about who pulled the trigger on dumping a bunch of shares. HMM?
well if we want to play semantics here, I guess you have a point, but then i could argue that based on the number of shares bought and sold in the last week at those 2 arbitrary points, I would argue that very few if any ever traded hands at .0003 while the number that changed hands at .001 is quite possibly in the multi millions, especially if you count both sides of the run and plummet. not really worth being right or wrong over to me. like I said I am here to make money and I very much enjoy buying at these levels we are currently seeing, I stand to profit real nice on the next run up, and still manage to save many shares for future and higher runs. I have always said that riding the waves on this one is the only way anyone is ever going to make real money. You can pay yourself with one big payday in the long run, or you can treat yourself to several small paydays along the way.
first off, I think that we are reacting to hearsay, we didn't hear SP give this explanation, we have another poster saying he said this. I think SP needs to tell the stockholders where all the extra shares came from after he specifically stated on the radio interview that Dilution for capital was done. He absolutely owes the shareholders that explanation. we should not have to sit here and speculate on any of that. But in the mean time, PPS is low, more shares to buy.
and if he did cash in after conversion, SP would have no idea who the heck it was unless they had more than 5%. so either way it is a bogus statement. Unless the guy called up SP and directly told him "Hey I just sold all my shares", why would he do that?
Mark, not to sound condescending, but you also have been telling people for days that "this thing is going to .0003 today" and that hasn't happened either. the fact of the matter here, is nobody really know anything for certain, so why not ride the bus and get off at our own stop. cuz honestly i don't think the talk in this room has any relevance on PPS.
not to sound negative or positive, just a legit question in my mind. How is it that since SP claims he didn't know about the sell of a noteholder before, and they are not required to tell him with in the rules, how is it all of a sudden he gets to know the specifics afterwards? he doesn't know when i buy or sell, hell he doesn't even know who i am. the only way he would know is if I held more than 5% and i was required to disclose anytime I made a transaction. He would definately know before I sold anything. I am not saying, i am just saying. not that it really matters to me, I am way long in this thing, and I don't believe any one noteholder selling did this. I am years away from retirement, and personally I like buying at these prices, although one day i hope to sell much higher than this. but isn't that the name of the game? LOL, I think I just wasted a post just rambling here.
LOL, hey as many shares as i own, .05 would be real darn nice, and i would be willing to take a chair upside the head for that kind of money, but I am just trying to keep it real. nothing wrong with dreaming, everyday I think how nice it would be to get that rich. but every once in a while i have to touch reality a little. one thing is certain, an R/S right now could make this thing go to .05 but honestly I could care less about .05 if it reduces my shares. That is the last thing I want at this point. I would rather go to .0001 and 3 billion o/s than take an r/s. at least at .0001 i could buy a boatload of worthless shares, at some point the moutains of paper has to be worth more than a pocket full of nickles.
State, I believe we might touch there, with all the frenzy after a contract announcement, but a single contract alone is not going to level this thing out much higher than .004 . A buyback could pull it up a little more. but I don't believe the buyback will happen unless multiple contracts are announced, and multiple installs is complete, and revenue is coming in full force
jsteel, I believe ya, maybe one day, but it isn't realistic as things lie right now. It would be like trying to sell walmart stock in 1970 for 300 a share, it just wasn't worth it. but hey if you want you can have all of mine right now at .04 pps
I think anything you can buy under .0013 is money in the bank right now. After a contract announcement, I think you are going to be lucky to get anything under .0035
Mark,
Are your ballpark numbers in line with mine, or am i still out in the parking lot? Anyone else have any ballpark numbers for TIVU.
To quote Mark, one contract for 1400 rooms aint gonna get it. I agree that the excitement might add a little hype to the PPS, that is why I said +/- a few ticks, but no way is it going to take it to 5 cents. Sorry if that hurts, I wasn't looking for an arguement, i just wanted to know if anyone else was ball parking value around the same place i am.
Gotcha, Dreams = 5 cents, I am with ya, but not sure this thing is capable of that given the current structure. But then again, I have been way wrong before. I am trying to keep it real though, and without 14000 rooms installed this thing is not going to see 5 cents without a buyback.
based on my assumptions without a contract, PPS should be .0013 which I believe is pretty close to accurate, although i understand it is low because many wanna get in lower to turn some real profits. and there is alot of fear after last weeks events.
Can you elaborate on how you come up with that number? I am talking a single hotel contract. Multiple would clearly double that number with each additional 1400 rooms. I am just talking the revenue from 1400 rooms and company inventory, puts a real value somewhere close to $7 million. I would be interested to know how you get to 5 cents?
Somebody correct me if i am wrong, but by my calculations, with a real contract announcement, this stocks value should be .0043 +/- a few ticks?
well a least he states his opinion with words that he owns, I get really tired of the "Nancy Grace" types that dance around libel suits by stating their opinions posed as questions to avoid being sued. TIVUS has left a lot of unanswered questions out there, I understand some of the frustration here, I just still choose to believe that they are being unanswered for the time being for some good reason that i don't know the answer to. I may be the biggest fool of all, but that is my choice.
NEWPONTIAC, you missed my point, I am not going to debate anything here. Someone might, that is their prerogative, just not really why I am here. If you have real evidence that TIVUS is not what it claims to be, by all means, let us see it. but comparing Apples to Oranges doesn't really do anything for the masses. I don't want to miss quote anyone, but I believe that other here have alluded to the fact that TIVUS doesnt do anything else that the other IPTV Hotel industry provider companies, all 1000 of them, do. TIVUS claims to insert real time ads on network channels that market to a customers personal profile and/or demographics much like FACEBOOK. Is anyone else doing that in the Industry? We have two, IMO, reliable members and shareholders that went to philly and drank the proverbial koolaid on what this system has to offer. They came back more convinced than ever that the system is all that is proclaimed and more. I personally have only seen a youtube video demonstration. I could be one of those suckers. But I choose to believe.
problem is NEWPONTIAC, the links you provided in the past have been very dated and for the most part irrelevant. you seem like a smart guy, but you very often come across as if you missed the bus. I still don't know why you continue to hang out here? You have admitted that you don't own TIVU, and that is fine as well, but why come here and pander those who believe in something bigger than themselves? quite honestly I do read your post, but pass them off as a guy that likes to stand outside of a church on sunday and heckle the crowds as they enter and exit. You are entitled to like and not like whatever you choose. all I ask is that you let those of us who choose to like TIVUS, well let us like TIVUS. It doesn't cost you a dime. If it is your hobby to HECKLE, well might I suggest you find a new hobby or at least take it elsewhere. Or better yet, Join us and make some money, whether you choose to ride the waves or stay in for the long haul, either way is fine with me, I understand both sides. Even if you amass the levels of some others here, riding the waves doesn't hurt the overall PPS that much. It is the multiple 40 mil dumps that kill the PPS, but even they have little impact compared to the dilution machine.
JUST SAYIN JPR
Why cry about a mod that is negative? I would not so much say he is negative as he is skeptical. No one has proven his negativity to be false yet. as long as he remains impartial to what he moderates i don't see the problem?
They are like those little kids when I was young hanging out at the arcade. some of us had quarters for the machines and some just stood around telling everyone what hey would do if they had a quarter to play with.
Lets see where she opens today?
hey, let it go back to 0003, after I saw how fast this pony can run, there is no doubt that I am gonna be building shares like crazy from now on. this past week has just been a warm up to the real run that is coming. you people that don't have any more faith, I understand, but what good does it do you to stay around and bash TIVU after you have sold your shares and supposedly moved on? Nothing any of you say is going to change my mind on this one. I can't be saved, you are serving no purpose here. move along, or don't, up to you. You are only killing yourself by reliving your agony day after day. I started buying this stock way higher than it ever got close to yesterday, I have slowly averaged down since the price dropped into the trips. The only thing I am changing is I am aggressively going after all the cheap shares I can get from now on. Best of luck to you all. JPR
So with all the chatter back and forth, i have kinda gotten lost. where is a realistic open for us today? what is the realistic ceiling at the business level we are at right now? Just asking because another day like yesterday, could put my average below the PPS. Just want to know where I should set my exit point at? I always said $10.00, but not sure that is realistic. LOL wouldn't that be nice?
Thats a lot to hold, if you get tired of holding them let me know brother, I will be glad to hold a few of them up for ya, for a fee.
I know it won't be too long until you can aford to pay your help real good.
JWEZ,
WELCOME BACK!!!! now shut up and go back into hiding, this thing does pretty darn good when you aint around showing us L2's all dang day long. Just kidding, welcome back, nice having you back.
Wagg
It wasnt just your wife, I know I believed you were certifiably insane, and I am sure a few others did as well, maybe they won't admit it. I even once believed that you were Steve, and I think i even accused you of it once or twice. I know my wife was going crazy over how far down my investment value had dwindled but now all she can do is giggle at how excited i get of each little uptick.