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I'm neutral here, but it sounds like the info you just said came out of the mouth of Kay. AGAIN, believe things when it can be verified. Over the past two years, we've seen delay after delay. Any CEO that "informs" or puts a carrot in front of shareholders or potential shareholders probably is telling the cream of the crop and not the stinky parts. Plus, he must not be very busy. Again, I'm neutral about SFOR and DO want to see it succeed, but the reason there are some bashers is because they lost their dough, they've seen the delays, they've seen crappy quarters, etc. And, some of the bashers (not me) will stay here until SFOR skyrockets or goes BK. That is the only way(s) that will quite the bashers...they are committed to seeing SFOR to BK. Just letting you know why they are here...that's all.
Going to step in here for a minute...Scot and I used to go around and around and around because I was pro-SFOR and he wasn't and still isn't. Now I'm more neutral than ever. Yes, what Kay says sounds good, however, Scot and numerous others here have heard things that ended up not so wonderful after hearing from Kay (via himself and via PR's). Bottom line, we were told that sales were increasing, but boy we had some crappy quarters after that. Lots of delays, etc. So now, we are closer to new product launches and new customers right? Maybe so, but because of the past history, many will believe it ONLY when they see it.
Many have done that before (over and over) and look - we are STILL under 4 cents. Hope it does pop one day, but history has repeated itself over and over here, and that is a fact!
Yep...new people in and new out again. Never fails to see this go up and come down hard. You are right, it is going to take some REAL news that has hard figures behind it such as MUCH MORE revenue than they've ever had. Other than that, dilution pollution continues. Catch you later!
Historically, this is SFOR!!! Seen it over and over again the past couple of years. MM's LOVE SFOR...also with the debt SFOR is in, conversions occur a lot, and kill the common share price. LOTS of things that go against trading with SFOR that kill commoners.
I congratulate you for trading correctly. Good work! On the flip side, I'm just saying the charters have gotten squeezed here in the past because the mm's and dilution was massive...they would see stalled runs all the time and huge swings downward. If one wants to look at the history of SFOR it shows it clearly. I've been pro SFOR until the latest split was announced and I did well with SFOR. But again, from a longer-term perspective SFOR has been a pig. How about this...again, I will congratulate you on your recent trading, and I am going to stop writing for the time being because really there is nothing to argue about (which I don't want to)...lets make some dough. Good trading!!!
Short-term easier to play, but let's not forget that there's been a ton of chart readers that guessed this wrong over the past two years because they did not know about the history, debt, dilution, how savvy the market makers were, the cash in of debt, and on and on. I hope SFOR does turn the corner for good (not just a day or two), but I'll believe it when I see it...hence this still under a penny and that it barely crossed 3 cents recently. Going to take a lot more then this Apple news to make a huge bounce.
When do you predict the 2nd and 3rd waves will come?
Well said!
Market Maker World Trade Financial Corp.
The reason there are so many negative nellies on the SFOR board is because they have heard so many times that major news is coming and it either did and it wasn't that major or the news was delayed. SFOR has a history of "delays." People were licking their chops like many are now. The announcements in the past sounded good but the bottom line, more dilution and share price declines. Am I saying the SFOR story won't unravel and become huge...well, I'll believe it when I see it. Hoping great things for SFOR but for now it is sometimes worth trading, but not worth holding long. Ok, I'm done posting for now...lets make some dough.
I hear ya, but I've seen a lot lesser news with other stinky pinky companies jump their share price up A LOT higher (on a percentage basis) than SFOR's news. Good for trading lately, but the news hasn't proved a thing past 4 cents and that is a fact. This news has only made a better market for trading SFOR - it has not enhanced long term share price appreciation for those that are long (which my initial post was primarily intended for).
I know I am amongst other flippers/traders...but for the longs here, if the new Apple news is so BIG, then why isn't this at .50 cents or more already? SFOR's news is far from institutional investors wanting huge blocks...they would have already been poised to get in the game if it was huge based on the interviews and other PR's. They aren't touching SFOR. Will it ever happen...going to need to win ALL their lawsuits, have REAL products that bring in lots of revenue in order to gain attention to drive share price over 50 cents.
He responds that quickly because he isn't marketing SFOR products or in meetings with George and the other boys to get their product in the right channels. A busy CEO wouldn't respond for days or might never. Kay responds quickly because there isn't much happening.
I think you said it as it actually is in your post. If revenue doesn't outpace expenses in the next 2 quarters, then SFOR will linger on with more debt and dilution. If they can't get REAL revenue in 2 quarters, then they can just go ahead and shut their doors...I would say goodbye to SFOR unless used when the chart looks good to day trade - other than that, not worth the time looking at.
The way I look at it is if SFOR cannot get their share price up from REAL and MEANINGFUL business activities, then let it sit where it should (sub-penny). Thanks though for your input!
Surf...your link refers to Ecolocap Solutions not SFOR?
Agree...not many know about SFOR and historically, SFOR has not been effective marketers. Just like out-of-band patents...others have them...there's more than one way to have out-of-band. Lets see in the quarters ahead if people are actually buying the SFOR product. Yes there is litigation with PhoneFactor, but SFOR is tangling with another outfit that appears to be giving SFOR fits in court. SFOR PR's often tell the cream of the crop but of course, leave out the nasty issues they are facing.
It will be interesting to see if the Apple Community purchases the product (in any quantity). Future quarterly reports will tell the story.
You will have your anti-SFOR superhero cape on for a long time before the SEC steps in...they aren't going to do anything to SFOR...they will always have bigger fish to fry.
With the numerous breaches lately, other companies are reaping the rewards from the sales of their products while SFOR is playing around. Day traders can make a little coin on small swings, but holding long is very dangerous. I see the same people have yick-yacked again this week...hmmm...sure it will be the same next week and the weeks after that too (around and around she goes - BORING AS CAN BE).
Yes...does sound familiar, but I know where I stand. I'm done with the posts today because I could care less who is and who isn't making money. Not worth my time "taking sides" and seeing the trade-by-trade banter between pro and con SFOR people. Moving on to make some dough elsewhere!
I've been in and out of SFOR a lot in the past, but not lately. Just checking in today to see where she's trading at. Looks like this board has come down to a couple of new day traders/chart readers and those that lost money and are still ticked off at SFOR.
I agree SFOR (like any stock) can be traded, but one thing is for sure...SFOR is a debt ridden company and it is going to keep on diluting. Might get away with a swing up now and then, but without any real news based off of REAL events, this puppy will be going down even further. Got several on this IHUB board that didn't get out when they should have...are you one of them that is trying to get your dough back?
Hopefully you were in before the spike and bailed before it dove again. Profits! Nice work station too!
Trader...right on, these pinkies/OTC's are not investing - it is gambling. With some thought/experience - OTC's can be better than some forms of gambling. I've not followed GATA for some time due to its lack of news and movement in volume and share price. For an OTC though, it had another great quarter. On the flipside, is this company real? So many of these stinky pinkies are nothing more than a scam or shell. If GATA's volume and price per share would swing, it might be worth getting in...for now, I'm out. Like you said too, GATA has not filed - let alone mentioning anything else about filing (another GATA downfall).
Has anyone heard if there is going to be a WebEx like Kay normally does?
Quarterly: No surprises. We already knew about the delays (products not being produced and delay of sales from partners). With SFOR, you have to see something positive first, in order to believe it. Other than that...SFOR's share price reflects what is going on with the company. The share price with every single company out there is indicative to what is going on with the company itself (hence where SFOR is...low sales and high debt and where Apple is at...products that are in demand/good balance sheet). Now we can wait for a PR to come out and it will indicate this quarterly result is fantastic vs. the dismal $27,000 for the same period last year. The past quarter was not fantastic! Again...nothing to be surprised about UNTIL/IF SFOR can actually stun us with some good numbers. Not sure if that will ever happen...believe it when we see it!
Right on...you know if you made dough or not - doesn't matter what others think. More so a year ago than in the last 4 months, there has been an actual market for SFOR. For those that don't want to believe it - go back and look at the charts a year ago...there's been days where there's been 30%+ swings in a single day...not lately as I reiterate. News and market makers moved the stock with nice swings (up and down over multiple days) back then, but it/they haven't in the past few months or so. So, yes, there was money made a while back when there was a better market for SFOR...the historical charts are FACTS...there was money making opportunities for those that played SFOR smart. Those that held/married SFOR for long periods of time are the ones that lost money.
Yes, I did own at those levels over a year ago and SFOR was trading more stable then (not in the steady decline that it has since the reverse)...you could sell on the pops much easier than now. There was a better market for SFOR then. I was in and out of SFOR so many times that it wasn't funny...I was not a bag holder like many here. Sorry if nobody wants to believe it, but I made more on SFOR than I lost. Did I trade it perfectly...no. I could have held on some of the spikes for more profit but I pulled out with money and left some money on the table...again, I was in and out on a daily basis (on many occasions) because I watched SFOR/charts like a hawk. Fact is now (whether pro or anti SFOR) it is harder to get profits by trading SFOR and that is the reason I've got only 900 shares in the game and rarely flip SFOR anymore...SFOR has been a total pig since the reverse...kudos to the dude that sold at .81 after the split (I sold all but 900 shares before that and whoever it was, they played it well). It is really something that people try to tell me what I have done, what I still have, and all of that, but if they were to see my Scottrade statements, they would see the facts. Honestly people, who really gives a crap about each other here...there's some winners and losers, but the fact remains, SFOR has been a dying stinky pinky for some time and it isn't worth spending time on something that doesn't make money. For those that think they know everything that I've done with SFOR: I'm not going to play into the game playing here anymore...kid/playground crap - spending hours posting on IHUB and Yahoo per week about a company you don't like is really smart use of time...right?
Please don't put me into a category of that I think SFOR is still a winner. The only winner is the one you make money at. SFOR hasn't done that for many people in a long time. Even though you aren't going to believe me, I will try to set the record straight...I had tens of millions of shares at .0001 and .0002. I sold all but a little over 900 shares at .0004. Therefore, consider me "not in the LONG game"...900 shares is really nothing. I once was married to SFOR, but when the reverse was announced, I clearly got 99 percent out. I WILL never be married to SFOR or any other stinky pinky. I am not disagreeing with everything you say...SFOR (very) frequently acts like a paper mill, and the sales forecasts are amazingly crazy, etc. What the new guy is pointing out (whether he is right or wrong...which I could care less because it is not my money) is DON'T marry a stinky pinky (such as SFOR)...get the profits and leave/move on to the next play and don't be a bag holder. With SFOR not showing LONG common shareholders signs of improvement - he is right about his strategy about getting in and out on dips and short-term spikes...I think he is an avid chart trader...whether he makes money or not is his own situation.
Well said!!!
I could care less what you say or anyone else says here...not trying to spur a fight, but I don't care. Everyone can have their own stance about SFOR...but, man, there is a ton of time wasted by a lot of people on these boards. I'll bet nobody gets a handshake when someone "saves" somebody from not buying SFOR. Better yet, I bet the "saviors" don't get a commission of any sort for prompting someone to buy elsewhere? Again, pumpers or dumpers...it doesn't matter what you say or how much you say it...it is all "entertainment" on these boards with VERY little value to bettering one's self or doing something more worthwhile that does have value. Moving on for now, peace out!
Nothing is going to change here with these OTC/virtually defunct stinky pinky companies...the common shareholder has to fight to make a buck against the insiders in the actual company they think they are "investors with," against market makers, and against other shmucks that call themselves "investors"...the odds are stacked against the common shareholder. Yes, some might get "casino luck" and win a couple of bucks every now and then, but there is sooooo much stacked against the common shareholder with these stinky pinkies...SFOR included. With all of that said...yes, SFOR will go lower, and yes, they will continue to have issues, and yes, we will have the pumpers and the ticked off chiming in on the boards on a daily basis. NOTHING is going to change. For everyone...is this stuff really worth your time? Isn't there better stuff to do that is more meaningful? Peace out!
Valid question you have asked. There are opportunities elsewhere, especially since post split since the share price continues to decline. That is why I've said if you buy SFOR, the best thing to do is trade it/dump it on a small spike. Holding stinky pinkies for very long is dangerous...SFOR is no different - just like 99% of the other stinky pinkies. There will be a time when I hold SFOR for longer than a day, but that is not now...why later? I have my own reasons and strategy for when the time comes.
Wouldn't be a shocker to anyone. Most likely will be the case.
11+% gain today over yesterday...for some, that 11+ percent is FLIPPABLE with PROFITS...in and out for profits and moving on to the next move - it is called flipping SFOR and stinky pinkies and not holding!
The reason one would flip this is because there is almost a 100% chance the share price is going lower. Historically, if it pops, it goes lower again. The company hasn't produced anything major and concrete to sustain a share price that keeps it going higher on a consistent basis. Lots of bag holders with this because they held instead of flipped. Historically, wash-rinse-repeat...right now SFOR is doing that again. We all know OTC/stinky pinkies are high risk...SFOR is no different and holding = high risk of losses.
The boys at SFOR have preferred shares and it doesn't matter what the common share price is when you have certain preferred shares. There is HIGH odds they are going to continue making bank with their preferred shares. One thing that is happening a little more than before with the common share price is there has been some decent spreads lately. If a guy can get in and out on some of those, there is some bank for the common shareholder. However, that type of trading isn't for the type of individual(s) that spend more time typing on boards than watching screens...gotta be ready any second to sell off/can't be doinking around doing other things. Still SFOR isn't really any different than 90+% of the other stinky pinkies...still more prudent to get in and out rather than hold long term (with any of the stinky pinkies, including SFOR). The stinky pinkies are stinky and under a dollar for several reasons!
SFOR is no different than 90+% of the stinky pinkies...from a well-ran company standpoint, most all suck. I'm not one of the dudes that is going to say buy SFOR at such and such a price because a lot of individuals trade differently than I do. The idea is to catch it as low as possible (when indicators are looking favorable) to reduce risk of overpaying and sell it fast on the way up. I don't plan to address anymore questions...I'm moving on to other interests RIGHT NOW that can make more dough than SFOR can provide me with.