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dmi@
Hope your right (about newer 20) - but - but !!
There still a lot of money to be made in Selling Options - so sadly BB has a good (little to good) chance of being right.
As a number of people have pointed out (here and on Yahoo) - AMRN is right now 'The ideel stock for Shorting' (SP 20- 25$) Company valued below 10 billion. And these facts does not change - this side of (my guess) 27 - 28$.
TTE@
That might be' - or for now' its the mammut amount of options that closed friday 17 jan. 2020.
Either way being 'a little bit' superstitious as long as it's 'going up' all is good :)
It is an ever lasting debate:
1. Is it the Markets 'Natural Forces' - that in the end controls the SP - 'Like it should be'?
2. Is the market as manipulated in some instances (especially in smaller stocks) as many says - or it is that some people believe to much in 'silver hats'?
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The article below is found on Nasdaq - they should know' - and I was surprised how directly the different ways in manipulating is presented.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/5-market-manipulation-tactics-and-how-avoid-them-2018-04-11
jas@ - 16 december 2019 - It'a an Age Thing - sorry :)
KSC@
Difference $8 - $20 - $30 - actually also get 'Me Worked Up'.
A lot of people here' are heavily invested into Amarin (some VERY Heavily Invested).
So no use denying that it is Damn Important what happens from now on - regarding AMRN. For many it is 'Life Changing - Plus or Minus'.
A First for me to get 'This Involved' in a particular stock - In Money and Mentally, so YES' - Future for AMRN is Insane Important :)
TTE@
The 19.91 is all about 'Someone (Big Pharma - Hedge Fonds - probably a combination) - controlling the SP.
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The day after FDA approval - 16 december 2020 - volume 60 million stocks - and the price falls !
At that point 'the trial' about patent was not yet a big issue. Maybe Buy Out was'.
Actually real reason for 'why this stock' - has been completely 'LOCKED in SP'- is most likely lately due to 'OPTIONS' (and who sells/controls Options ?)
Autumn 2019 - patent trial WAS NOT the reason for SP LOCKED. Big Money Tanks WERE' an maybe still IS'. We will se tomorrow - if it continues :)
The race to the cardiovascular marked. The big players want in - and funny how the figure happens to hit 26% reduction.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/novo-s-ozempic-scores-major-win-heart-helping-fda-approval-rybelsus-next
Markip@:
SP AMRN 50$ 2022 - 150% in 2 years - I will settle for that - Surely :)
KevG:
Thanks for your answer here - it does put most of this concern to rest.
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It it a 'special' court that handles these very complex Bio Cases.
The ruling judges do have to be trained experts in patent laws .- and actually in bio matters also - to handle this.
Even in a big country, like USA, there cant be that many Judges who have the knowledge to handle this.
jfmcrr@
Thanks for your answer here - cant activate the link though . get a 401 message that being from Europe access not allowed.
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To me the mere fact that a company like Hikma - that seems to have built their company - around 'Stealing parts of other companies inventions - is 'taken serious' by 'the Law' - is an offence to ordinary hard working people.
I saw someone in this forum put it very diplomatic: "They should be taken out back and shot" - and cant say i disagree much with 'moral rats' like these.
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Do you know 'how high in your Court system' (in Europe there is at least 3 ranks of Courts - ending at Supreme Court). And the higher you get in ranks - generally speaking - the higher the moral.
Where in the USA system is the court in question placed ? And next how high could a case like this go - all the way Supreme - if appealed ?
Denmark - where i was born and live - is probably the most Liberal – leftists - Insane hard Tax’ed Contry in the world. I have a pension savings invested (what eq. US 401’s) in a number of ETF’s and Stocks like AMRN .
If I make a profit in my 401 savings – I have to pay (please Sit Down) – 55 % taxes to the Government (talking about Big State – nowhere bigger than in Denmark).
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During the last 10 years – more and more corruption scandals has emerged in - The Big State offices, meaning that confidence in ‘The Danish State’ generally has never been lower.
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I have followed US political policy closely (that is what my website is about for 90%) - for a long time – and I know everything about the State Corruption in top of US State offices like FBI – DOJ etc. – in conjunction to Donald Trump as President.
Talking USA – everybody knows about the ‘Power Of’ mostly hidden Lobbying towards Politicians in Congress and The Senate.
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Now finally onto my question here. We investors from abroad – have for some time – been aware of ‘the enormous pressure the AMRN stock is under. It has for months’ been completely Locked in SP – 100% controlled by ‘a number of 'Big Money Tanks’.
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Finally at the point where I want to ask the numerous Experts in different fields here on iHub – about one very important Question: Is the American Jurisdictional system to be trusted / no corruption ?
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We all know that there is – Big Money at stake here – so it is crucial important that the Judges in – the ongoing trial - cant be bought of' by opposition.
Have to ask this question: Can we in Europe 'sleep calm' – that in USA Judges ‘Cant be Bought’ ?
HDG@
You are lightyears ahead of me in knowledge about Bio Business's here.
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Being an absolute Lay person in this - I have to learn to 'step lighter in this forum' - I'm beginning to understand :)
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Let's tone it down to - I damn well hope the stock wont be below 20$ going forward !
ggw@
I dont actually se the trial weigh that much. It really wont change Amarin policy for the future either way it goes.
What i do se controlling the SP right now is manipulatrion - and again 'the power of the money keeping AMRN in control, really demonstrated the day after FDA approval 16 december 2019.
Volume 60 million stocks - and still the price fell - that's control for you.
AMRN should be a lot higher on all the great news - and it did not move one bit. So in my book keeping SP at 20$ (after trial) will be a big setback.
Wahl@
Ok - sleeping on it - i do' take your point about Reduce-It.
And of course - Amarin going for a market where just about everybody' - that would be a potential user of your drug - is on statins, what they did were the only realistic approach possible - to do the trial.
I have heard JT in presentations mention - that Vascepa is also aimed at people who are statin intolerant - so it is in the cards for Vascepa.
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I can get carried away in a (for me) new subject - and that is what happened in reading - seeing videos about cholesterol and statins.
And i do realize that a investing forum like this - might not be the place for this kind of debate - so I will leave at that for the future.
I did/do not feel especially neglected though - except maybe around the statin critic to your point.
jasbg
WhaL@:
I am completely aware of 'the policy on top of statin' Reduce-It results' - and was actually just waiting for a response like - yours !
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And about popularity - i have been here for a week - shoulder clapping newer interested me much !
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The truth have Always been my guide - and the truth is That Statins is a product of a failed Policy. Cholesterol is NOT' what kills people - and You know it!
Might not be the right thing to put forward right now - thinking 'MONEY' - but 'The Truth is the Truth' - even it does not this moment match the Stock Market :)
Amarin and Vascepa will be a Major Succes - 'exactly' while they dont play by your BP rules all the way !
Dont know if this article is launched here already - but if so no harm done.
But it illustrates that Amarin and Vascepa is 'Out There - and Is Noticed' !!
2020 is going to be a Great Year for AMRN owners :)
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/after-astrazeneca-s-epanova-failure-amarin-sets-its-sight-unchallenged-vascepa-launch
HDG@
No Way - i dont see that happening at all !
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Even if Amarin Losses the Trial (which it won't) - but lets assume it does.
It would/will take Years for Genetics - to get an actual product to the market.
Some people would argue - that it would be close to indifferent to Amarin - as they are already 'Out there' in the field' - with everything in place: FDA approvals - Productions - Sales personal etc.
It will take YEARS' - for Generics - to get anywhere Close to where Amarin is (they have been in the market since 1912 - they know the game).
So - i stand by my 20$ - my friend - until proven wrong :)
diablo@
This is a difficult question to handle.
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As soon as you use a Latin term name - no one remembers - (just another medical term - I dont know anything about) :)
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Just about everyone today have heard of Omega3 products - and why they are important to your health.
Fact is that Vascepa Is' developed from natural (in nature) products - and I think that 'long term' - it might be Smart to use this fact' - as it actually separates the product from most chemical medicines out there.
But it needs a brilliant Marketing Mind - to composite this the right way - and where do you find him/her - to do that :)
The Truth about Statins:
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I remember a resent article about the progress of Vascepa - with the Title : 'Vasepa is no Lipitor'
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I'm right now leaning things i didn't know about the Bio Business and how - it's often all about MONEY - and not just Money, talking Statins - it's A MEGA TON OF MONEY - that Big Pharma has made over the last 25 years.
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In the Mirror there is just 'One Problem' - the whole idea of lowering cholesterol is Build on a BIG Lie, and is in fact very damaging to the body.
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So right now - Today' - I'am so glad - 'That Vascepa is no Lipitor'.
TastyTE@
My take on SP:
Truth is the stock is grossly undervalued at this moment (kept down by manipulation - and especially 'right now' course of Expiration of Options tomorrow).
What the SP should be right now 'not being manipulated': 30 - 35$
If trial lost: it will remain about where it is today around 20$
Trial Win: Will hopefully 'break the manipulation' and free the AMRN stock - to go beyond 30$ rather quickly.
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We can hope for the Unleash from 'Big Money Tank manipulation' after the outrun of big Option day 17 jan. 2020 (tomorrow).
Tuesday jan. 21 2020 will be interesting :)
VuBru@
In a reaction to your rather shocking story - i was yesterday writing you on the subject - a long input just before going to bed.
Forgot to make backup of writing - and everything suddenly hung' - and was lost. Gave up and vent to bed.
But combination of your story and the Amarin Vascepa story haunted med through the night - so i started early getting thoughts memorized.
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I dont know if you have seen it - but your shocking story is part of it - so 'old saying in my country' - "Nothing is so bad - that something useful may not come of it" - and I think that that applies here.
Best of luck with your continued recovery - and link with what 'I am talking about' below:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=153303125
KevGee59@
So it is Tuesday - January 2020 - that the Sun starts Shinning on Amarin AMRN for share Owners.
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I Live across the world in Denmark - so i did not know about this Non Market day in the USA, which i should have - sorry for that.
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But now that i know - i actually think that our AMRN stock might benefit from the 'a bit longer' break after JPM Conference.
Very exiting to see what happens Tuesday 21 2020 with SP of Amarin Vascepa.
jasbg
NickHous@
I think you are absolutely right. Not knowing anything about options - i'm a boring 'Forever' Long in AMRN.
Maybe it's my age - but i rather like and is encouraged listening to John Thero at these events. There is no fancy smart moves to 'sell stocks' - just facts. And remember all facts are still 'Very - Very' positive - it's just that SP dont follow.
We will soon find out about truth to the talk of 'Max Pain' to Option holders - Friday. Hopefully most have bought back' reducing los if that happens.
But a rise is likely to happen on Monday 20. jan 2020 - if Baker Bros. (and others) decide to finally Unleash the AMRN stock.
Is it just me - or did i hear JT in the webcast say - that Amarin awaits a ruling i the ongoing trial 'End of Marts' ?
alwaysw@
In Yahoo forum a number of the most active posters have Options running out this friday (17 jan 20) - and if you gambled on SP being raised by a good trial outcome - it's no fun to watch SP going nowhere - waiting for the outcome of trial.
It can literally mean anything from making millions - to broke for some.
I think this is why tension is rising in AMRN forums right now.
relocm@
Ok of cause your right - the way you argue!
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What I ment was' - going after products that other companies invented in a courtroom - you 'dont have anything to lose' - 'you can only win'!
Only Amarin who used +25 years on this one product and an enormous amount of time and money can lose in my mind.
As i read Hikma - big part of their business is build on 'stealing' results of other companies work. All the Settlements!
The short version - it looks like 'a number of bloodhound lawyers' that has found a smart way to make money - with no risk.
Tx BB@ I read your answer that you prefer GIA ?
On Yahoo Forum (and suppose iHub as well) - a lot of people has hope for 'ending the trial' BEFORE friday. (a lot of Options run out) - Would you dare to guess on that ? :)
Suddenly understanding what AMRN is all about.
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The release the Reduce-It trial - 28 september 2018 - in 7 weeks made AMRN rise more than 700% from 3 to 23$.
That awoke Big Pharma – “What’s going on here”. And I wandered myself - ‘why the enormous interests from privat investors – in this ‘little’ stock – ‘Most debated stock on both iHub and Yahoo’.
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After the break-through (23$) – Big Money Tanks took over and controlled Share Price – which they still do right this moment. Just yesterday they likely made 10% - knowing top and bottom – on the 2 ramps in SP.
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This input is a combination of me using ‘far to many hours’ following this stock the last 16 months – and only late last night beginning to understand the whole story’. Why this ‘for now’ little stock – is making waves in Big Pharma offices – and en generating enormous interests among retail investors.
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What triggered things off were the input from: user VuBru yesterday – about his shocking heart attack. Searching YT – I fell upon a video that I the end explains – WHY Vascepa in the beginning of year 2020 is such a sensation.
In the short version – this revolutionary drug – can to a big extend REPAIR 70 years of failed nutrition policy in both the western world – and now also in China. And it can REPLACE – the statins products that really is a product of a completely failed Cholesterol policy. And these factors are the reasons for the big interest from ‘ordinary people’. Everybody knows someone who had a heart attack – or who has problems
with statins – or both.
Vascepa in not mentioned in the video – as the facts of the Omega3 ‘over the counter products’ – was not known at the time of the video. Its obvious that that it is exactly ‘effect of Vascepa’ that is vital when Dr. Bowden mentions Omega3.
And observe that this knowledge goes years back (video is from 2013). How many have heard af the Cholesterol swindle ‘that it actually is’. How many have heard of the 4 point cholesterol blod test?
I am sure that Amarin Staff knows all about the things mentioned here – which is why they used a fortune to ‘prove that ‘Vascepa Works’ (as JT puts it) – in the Reduce-It trial.
But Hikma make it look as if Vascepa is part of their pipeline - with market size in $ million.
Is that legal (even they put 'Active litigation' text) ?
Look at page 10 of PDF presentation:
https://www.hikma.com/media/2272/2019-interim-presentation-final.pdf
I have'nt been on iHub that long - so this video might have been posted here before - but then no harm done.
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But it is interesting to se this stranger CEO - exploit the Reduce-It trail - almost talking as he is/was a part of the trial - shortly after FDA approval ("It came early" - again playing it 'like he is part of the story')
And then conclude that it is 'Great News for the Omega3 business'. It is misleading theft in bright daylight :
Its not my article - so i am just guessing here.
But following Mellowmood's argument - ever keeping the SP down wears up the private investors and daytraders patience (and belief in the stock) - so the Tute's can takeover retail stocks at bargin price.
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Best example of that 'this is' a controlled/manipulated game' was volume the 16. dec 2019 (day after FDA approval). 60 mill. stocks vol. - and still the price fell.
I think this great input to iHub AMRN forum - is relevant once again - so with thanks to Mellowmood77 i copy it here again:
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Mellowmood77 Thursday, 01/09/20 12:14:42 AM
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Everyone needs to relax.
You guys have not been paying attention.
What is the purpose of hedge funds like Baker Bros?
To make MONEY for their clients.
Do you guys really think they are just sitting with close to a billion dollars worth of stock and not making any money on it for the past year?
Of course they are. They are selling tons of calls and puts. They have made a killing doing it. They will continue to do it until they know the stock will be bought out.
Ask yourself what has this stock done like clockwork for almost every options expiration week? CLOSED AT OR NEAR MAX PAIN! This stock is EASILY manipulated because of a large percentage of retail investors/day traders.
Guess what Jan 17 is? The mother of all option expiration dates. Guess what the max pain is? $17! I was actually expecting a drop in price as we approached JAN 17... Though I didn’t know they would be able to get this close to max pain.
I also expected a lot of FUD to be released to aid them in this endeavor as we get closer to Jan 17 (JPM, UNH, etc). And I was not disappointed.
Baker Bro’s did not sell out when the price was trading above $26. If they sensed imminent danger, don’t you think they would have?
This should give you relief, as Baker Bros obviously believe the price will be much higher than $26 in the future. If I saw a 13G filed that showed baker Brothers have sold 80% of their position, THEN I might get worried.
It’s a sad reality, but this is the game. Options must die. Bakers are playing a long chess game, not checkers. They don’t care if their stock is worth 30% less today than a couple weeks ago because they know where it will be in the months ahead.
This is the final shakeout in my opinion.
If it were me, and I was playing the “game,” I’d let the final shakeout be patent litigation. Maybe news of not settling will be enough. Finally scare the last of the weak hands out. Simultaneously approaching 90% institution ownership and wiping out Jan 17 options.
Bottom line is, JT is executing his plan. The stock price has nothing to do with him. It is pure manipulation. Stocks that get bought out, almost always get bought out when no one expects it. Expect the same here.
Expect a HUGE 2020. But if you can’t handle it, grab an index fund instead.
I did hear that this A. Feurstein Guy - have a problem with Vascepa - but i newer thought i could be this bad. This guy has serious problems :)
https://www.medtechy.com/message-boards/boards/companies/amarin/9188/does-adam-feuerstein-have-a-grudge-against-amarin
Retiredceo@
Cant say i disagree with you - at all :)
But i know most moderators in these boards like to - (understandable) - keep politics out - so better talk investment' not to get banned :)
rafun@
Did you get get offended by the references to Wikileaks ?
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Well you asked: I have owned a nummer of small business's i Denmark. Got educated in the military in electronics - worked for NCR (HQ Dayton, Ohio) as an engineer for 18 years.
Retired a couple of years ago. Been investing in stock market, ETF's etc for 16 years - using far to much time in forums like this :)
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And lastly - I run a political website which i better not refer to here.
jasbg
HDGabor@
Pfizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer
HDGabor@
Further on Wiki' (that you reacted on) had a look on Pfizer - that is often mentioned - talking BO of Amarin Vascepa.
Wonder if you know every information about the big company that is well presented there :)
HDGabor@
I just looked if there was a Wiki link:
Ok not much information - if that is what you mean :)