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Your entire response is entirely incorrect. An opinion is an opinion. I even say so in my post. You can call it wishful thinking because that's YOUR opinion. They didn't bless or authorize based on what actually happened and I believe you know what I meant because I've said it many times. They ruled it was fine based on lies. Nws was not blessed under the circumstances in which it was applied. So that is why I say they didn't bless anything. Bless the lie..Okay. Fine they blessed a lie. What happens when truth is revealed? They won't care?
And....
Yes anything COULD happen with warrants or seniors, BUT that's why I said it was my opinion. At least I always make clear it is my opinion. Never guarantee anything.
Maybe with the exception of calling seniors equity and not debt is true. But that's semantics.
We all know why the seniors were issued. So.....
Hey thanks for response.
100% commons LFG
JMO
Seniors have been paid in full and then some.
Lp to be zeroed and not converted. Return of excess money to be used toward recap of companies. Let's make this official because it is the truth.
Supreme has "blessed" nothing. They ruled based on lies and so did lamberth years back. Let's come out with the truth and then see what happens.
Nothing was "blessed". Nws wasn't "blessed". The story fed to the court was bogus and they ruled in a bogus manner. Supreme didn't "bless" anything. And they sure as heck didn't "bless" a senior conversion, warrants, or any other garbage. That's not what they did or do.
JMO, of course
we don't need for gov to volunteer anything. It would be nice though.
No it didn't come to light. Judges mentioning what they think this appears to be is not the same as knowing how it came to be.
I know why you think that. I just disagree with what scotus said. Meaning that under the terms and reasoning in which NWS was put into place, they somehow ruled it was fine.
I believe that if and when NWS true motive comes to light that ruling would have been different and will be different. Isn't that the whole point of highlighting Ugoletti lying?
Why would it matter if he lied about knowing profitable days ahead?
Why would those E-mails and memos showing true motives matter?
I believe they will. That is probably where we see things differently when it comes to the scotus ruling.
Yeah they can do what they want even for themselves (fhfa) or the public it serves, but knowing we will be profitable? And so that we can never escape? I don't think that would qualify. The defendants were asked if they could do "anything" and they responded by saying basically "no, no just anything". Saying it can't be totally unreasonable. Is how understood it.
JMO, of course
Thanks for reply
Yeah, I know, but sometimes I can't resist responding. I'll do better. I promise.
Seniors get written down. (so no dilution there)
Warrants go unused. (so no dilution there)
JPS receives par on open market. (so no dilution there) no need to redeem at high int rates anymore
We do a modest raise for capital depending on when this happens. Unless whole c-ship unwound or they take long enough to release and then no raise needed. (no dilution here or very little)
Release to big boy exchange. ( we're back boys and girl)
Commons go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
It CAN happen.
JMO
Please be aware of the "possible" sequence of events:
That sounds better.
JMO
In your opinion there is no security based on your probabilities you have assigned. Everyone is different in their outlook. No one is looking at only the best case scenario. You assume wrong. But we know who only looks at the worst case. Don't we?
But, it's just my opinion.
I guess I don't consider it a crash if it happens over two plus weeks. I would have considered it a crash if it dropped from .75 to .40 in a day, but that's me.
JMO
Plenty of material upside in a restructuring. There are plenty of ways to "restructure" with plenty of upside. From next to none to a whole bunch. Emphasis on whole bunch.
Hizzah.
JMO
So, one group is unloading shares and it's supposed to influence the other 1.5+ Billion shares out there? Do they know something? No they don't. They know nothing more than anyone else. They just lost their conviction in the trade. Not everyone is as easily shaken.
But that's me and my opinion.
No, they shouldn't have unless they have a personal reason. Scotus means nothing to me. Nothing.
Nothing changed. We'll see. Won't we?
JMO
Agreed, I believe it is a large holder slowly exiting. If they try for one big exit it would crash the price on themselves. Costing them even more money on the way out. Most people who are in, are in. They are now mostly waiting it out. So not many can buy up all those shares that this group/ person is unloading. If I could have I would have.
But that's me.
JMO, of course.
I hear you loud and clear.
To address the concerns you have pertaining to me of course.
Entitlement, I have no sense of entitlement. Although I have been here a long while, I wasn't one of the original investors who were harmed when c-ship took place. Yes, I have complained, at times, about delays, but I do not believe I have made a "bad bet", so to speak. I don't look at this trade as a gamble, although I understand why people might view it as one.
Like you stated, and I've most certainly mentioned in older posts, that I assign different probabilities and hold a higher tolerance for risk. I can fully understand, that even with my own probabilities I assign this play, some would still choose to go in a different direction. I have a different set of circumstances in my life and a different way of looking at things, so my conviction and "bet" gets placed accordingly. We might all have a multitude of reasoning, rationale, conviction, and life circumstances that guide us in different directions and for different reasons. My opinion of course.
As for your second concern, I fully understand and tolerate all opinions especially those that differ from mine. How else would I learn? I hear differing opinions contrary to my thesis and it might strengthen my conviction or it might spark an idea to tweak my own outlook. All good things. I always do prefer hearing all sides when presented in a helpful and respectful manner, though. Otherwise the message gets lost in the tone and delivery.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I too, look forward to your posts as well as several others here. So I may stay informed and learn some new things along the way.
Thanks again.
Thanks for your response and input.
I see your point, but my post was referring to getting all accomplished before
Midterm elections so they could use it as a win to help get votes for the elections.
I was speaking on the fact that to use this money for housing to be seen as a win to persuade more voters to increase chances for wins during midterms.
Yes, I know of course they would still want the money either way.
Post was referring money from warrants to be used for a midterm election boost.
JMO of course
I see what you are saying, but I don't believe the market can base these prices as true value.
First credible sources would need to establish a true fair value for the companies and then IF warrants were exercised establish what they would be worth. Then base that number on the takings claim.
Otherwise, why not crush the pps to 10 cents and then TRY for an exercise of warrants and claim 8 cents pps takings.
I don't see it, but it's just my thought on the subject.
Thanks for input.
I can't tell if you know or not that I agree with you.
But..I do.
I too, am averaging down at such low prices. I welcome the opportunity.
Actually my average pps on my long position is just an added bonus.
I am adding because I want more. I am happy to add more especially at these low prices.
And so my average goes down. A win for us.
At least that's how I see it.
JMO, of course.
Thank you to the entity dumping shares at these prices.
Meaningless to the actual events surrounding GSEs.
These are sells to exit their position, which at their size takes time. Along side the red markets. Their selling means nothing and charts mean nothing for this long term trade.
JMO, of course.
Still, respectfully, disagree.
Just talking about something isn't enough. It needs to be accomplished and for people to KNOW AND CARE about what just happened. In this case $100B for aff. housing.
Not just a mention of wanting money for affordable. Promises are made all the time and seldom are delivered upon. IF any of that even happens, it still needs to happen in time to matter for the voting to be effected.
So, I still believe it most likely won't. But.....At least we only have about 4 months to find out, right?
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JMO
For now.
In time it will shine bright.
Yes, I am here. But, I prefer "Deplorable". Thanks. Hope you are doing well.
Charts are meaningless for this stock unless you daytrade. Then, okay.
JMO
Highly, highly doubtful. But I can respect your opinion.
But the gov has to accomplish:
All pending or future lawsuits
Financial transparency report ( which isn't due until May 2023)
Try, and I mean TRY, to exercise warrants without a challenge
Then figure on exact numbers of SPO
Then do a large SPO
Then release to the big exchange
Then sell all their shares at full value (whatever it may be) $14pps if want $100 no sp
Then vote on what to do with that money
Hope that it goes to housing from passing the spending bill
*good luck getting those votes
AND......
Hoping voters give a hoot about the bill you passed to give money away to people who didn't earn it, all the while inflation and gas prices surge with interest rates for regular folks go up because they don't benefit from that passed bill of $100B
NO. I just don't see it. Not in 4 months.
Doing all that 4 months and hoping voters know and care about it?
Nah.
But.....
*JMO
No sp/lp, but warrants commons are $14/$15 for thieving gov to get $100B. Only way. NO to warrants I'm just giving the math.
BUT......It's all corrupt from the get go. Just clearing up it won't be as dismal as others would like you to believe. Saying $3-$8 with just warrants? Nope
Gov wouldn't get their stolen $100B from warrants at those prices.
And it would have to be at least $14pps. Which would make commons as good or better than prefs. Especially from here. Jp 8x 10x? Commons 28x 30x! Yes, Sorry.
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All true , Math is not an opinion $3 x 7.2B shares = $21.6B not quite there
$8 x 7.2B shares = $57.6B still a no
$14 x 7.2B shares = $100.8B ah, there you go
Again Warrants are garbage and so is Lp.
Again, someone investing in commons and speaking of right and wrong doesn't mean that they aren't flexible or have not made their decisions on all available information.
JMO of course, but for me it's a fact
Oh, I know.
Doesn't change what I said, though. I do appreciate reading your posts and your input is appreciated.
It is good to hear all sides. Whether someone agrees with it or not.
Thanks for response.
You're analysis is flawed.
No evidence. Just wishful thinking.
Nothing happens anytime soon.
No time soon.
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JMO
Sorry I answered your post but responded to my own. So it won't show up in your mail as a response. See my post #724921 Pertaining to the scheduling and why I think this year is a dud pertaining to release.
Someone else would be better suited to provide full details, but the order below outlines a schedule for Kelly's case against govt.
govt files motion to dismiss September 2,2022
Plaintiff responds to motion by October 14, 2022
Govt responds back by November 10, 2022
That schedule alone takes us past midterms.
And remember we still await rop decision, collins remand court date, and Lamberth is scheduled for October 17, 2022, I believe.
So that's why I believe nothing gets accomplished this year.
When I say accomplished, I refer to a release and ending to the mess, and not to a court ruling of some kind.
I don't know full details of the stay of proceedings of Kelly. They were awaiting rulings and looks like they now have a go-ahead at least for this schedule.
Sorry if I couldn't be of more help.
Maybe someone could assist in answering your question.
Nothing is happening this year in my opinion. Here's a copy of latest order 4 Kelly:
IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF FEDERAL CLAIMS
______________________________________
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MICHAEL E. KELLY, et al., )
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Plaintiffs, ) No. 21-1949
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v. ) Filed: June 23, 2022
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THE UNITED STATES, )
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Defendant. )
______________________________________ )
ORDER
On November 29, 2021, the Court granted the parties’ motion to stay proceedings in this
matter pending the appeal in Washington Federal v. United States, No. 2020-2190 (Fed. Cir.). See
ECF No. 8. Pursuant to that order, the parties filed a Joint Status Report on June 22, 2022,
informing the Court that the Federal Circuit’s decision in Washington Federal is now final and not
subject to further appellate review. See ECF No. 10. They proposed a schedule for briefing the
Government’s forthcoming motion to dismiss.
Having reviewed the parties’ proposal, the Court LIFTS THE STAY and ORDERS the
following schedule:
• The Government shall file its Motion to Dismiss by September 2, 2022.
• Plaintiffs shall file their Response to the Government’s Motion by October 14,
2022.
• The Government shall file its Reply in support of its Motion by November 10, 2022.
SO ORDERED.
Dated: June 23, 2022 /s/ Kathryn C. Davis
KATHRYN C. DAVIS
Judge
I offer my thoughts, opinions, and ask questions.
I like to ask questions so I can learn.
I offer my thoughts or opinions to clear the air on issues, so that both sides or multiple sides to a debate are heard.
We can't just have posts of conversion dilution and montezing stakes be the only things to read. We need to be offering all points of view.
Thank you Guido, and others alike, for doing the same great posts, questions, answers, and thoughts.
No apology needed. This debate gets us heated.
I too am sickened with hearing about warrants, conversions, and monetizing.
I'm with you.
All good here.
100% C
Exactly right. I am in total agreement with you.
You know I wasn't advocating use of warrants.
My post was merely a response to a what if this or that happened?
Conversions, warrants, lawsuits, spo's, and other things aren't just going to be squared away with ease while stealing 100's of Billions of dollars more.
I don't think so.
I'm with you. Just told 955 same thing.
I've said it before:
C-ship fraud.
SP/ LP gone.
Warrants cancelled.
Gov't paid.
Return stolen money.
It's been long enough. Stress tests show we are good to go free.
Let's do this already. Courts force their hands or most likely new admin gets this moving.
We'll see. I'll be here.
100% commoner
$150 (bear market) - $215 (bull market) FNMA FMCC
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JMO
You do know I agree with you? Right?
My post was a response to a post speaking of what prices would be if sp gone but warrants used.
I don't want warrants used.
They shouldn't be used.
The gov has been paid.
Same team. 100% with you on this subject.
I'm thinking $12 to $20 if happens soon. With sp gone but fraud warrants used.
JMO
You truly believe an lp writedown and only warrants used along with settling all pending or future lawsuits is accomplished within a 4 month period?
With everything going on?
Her comments about an ipo are bs. It is already public. It would be a secondary offering.
She also admitted we paid them back.
She means nothing and there is no saving this admin. This theft would not help. No one would even be aware of what's going on.
All people are concerned with is gas prices and inflation among other issues like the border.
But, anything is possible.
Thanks for your thoughts. I do enjoy reading your posts.
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JMO
True. Could be.
Sad state of affairs when the choice is always/ mostly between the lesser of two evils.
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JMO
Thank you. I guess when people vote this lady back in office for so many terms, they just see a name they recognize and fill in the bubble.
What has she accomplished over that long of "service"? Not much.
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JMO