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I haven’t been watching this whole time (prepping/cleaning/packing to move next month), but I would guess ASCM still covering…. We’ve seen the same thing with every PR that generated higher volume & moved pps over the past 2 years. Once ASCM is fully covered, they’ll disappear until the next PR…. Wash+Rinse+Repeat
Ok rockie, even though you and I have had this conversation numerous times and disagree (it's ok to disagree), I will reiterate and/or clarify as i've done many times before. Without plandemic-19, there would be no "mail-in voting," which "they" needed to cheat.
1. Get your facts straight. Never said plandemic-19 was a joke, only that it was planned, intentional, and carried something like a 97-99% survival rate.
2. It has been shown/proven over the past 1-2 years that the plandemic19 death rates were manufactured back then. Hospitals were incentivized to mark deaths as plandemic19. Hospitals were incentivized to put people on the "Remdesavir + Ventilator" protocol, which was basically a death sentence (Remdesavir causes renal failure). Then, after quite some time and after censoring people who tried to warn everyone, taking away doctors licenses who talked about it, etc... the CDC finally comes out and "quietly" admits that there is a coorelation between the plandemic19 jab & myocarditis. Lastly, do you knot find it strange that during this time that the PCR tests were "supposedly" diagnosing everyone with plandemic19, that for the first time in history, the flu completely disappeared from 100+ countries at the same time? (NATO countries I'll add)?
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3. The PCR tests being used to test people for plandemic19 couldn't actually differentiate whether or not they had a common cold, flu, pnemonia, plandemic-19, etc..., so if any tiny little thing showed up, which would normally indicate common cold, they still marked it as plandemic-19.
4. They knew years in advance that the cure to all "SARS/Corona" viruses was Hydroxychloroquine. The paper below was authored by fraudci on August 22, 2005. So why did they collude with fakebook, twitter, instagram, youtube, google, etc... to censor anyone talking about this? Not to mention that they were literally threatening doctors with taking away their licenses if they prescribed it? Also, OSHA changed their longstanding reporting guidelines to stop reporting "adverse effects" for plandemic19 jab, and the FDA literally changed the definition of "Vaccine," which previously said "gives immunity" and removed that part. Lastly, if this was so deadly and the plandemic-jab was the only true cure, then why were the people listed in the 4th image below exempt from being required to get the jab? Does any of this seem normal to you?
5. Not only were massive numbers of people censored, banned, suspended from Twitter, fakebook, youtube, etc... for speaking against the narrative, but twitter also deployed "Bots" to push the narrative.
6. Read/Research both "Operation Lockstep" and "Event 201." Operation Lockstep (2010) is literally the step by step playbook they used for plandemic19. Event 201 was a planned "pre-exercise" in October 2019 just prior to the plandemic, held by WEF & Gates Foundation. It was literally a dry run of plandemic 19.
Rockie - There is plenty more research and evidence out there. All you have to do is look. However, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, and it's ok if we disagree. At the end of the day, regardless of what anyone thinks, those of us living in the United States of America Constitutional Republic should question it when leading experts are cancelled/censored/threatened, such as Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA jab. We should question it when we're told that we're not allowed to talk about this, that, or the other. And we should certainly question it when known cures/remedies are censored and "death treatments" are incentivized.
All of this being said, I've had this conversation with you too many times and have spent too much time trying to show you why so many people have woken up and can finally see through the illusion. As I mentioned above and many times before, we can agree to disagree, but I do ask that you get your facts straight on what I've said and/or haven't said.
LOL…. Rockie I’ve shut down my computer for the night and posting my full reply is too much to type using mobile iHub; and I’m unable to post pics using my phone, so you’ll have to wait until tomorrow for my full reply to your instigating post. However, by all means feel free to continue instigating. I’ll get back to you tomorrow morning…
I haven't been watching all day, jus popping in/out to see what the pps is doing, but noticed that OTCN is nowhere on the ask. Anyone been paying attention who knows how long they've been absent? I know they were here earlier this morning, but seems odd that if they still have shares left to sell in their never-ending stash, that they wouldn't be doing so while the pps is in the 05's vs 04's or lower?
Trying to determine if they're finished, or if they're just taking a break and/or playing games? It would be awesome if they were done. We'd still have PUMA & INTL to contend with, as well as ASCM covering, but I'd still look at "no OTCN" as a good thing/step in the right direction...
Agreed... Also, we've seen this exact action with every PR/good news over the past 2 years. ASCM shorts the hell out of it the day the PR/news drops, then drives it down to cover and erase all gains the following days. The difference this time is that as long as OTCN continues, we'll see it drop much faster/easier. We have not sustained any gain in more than 2+ years. Always the same story with the same ending.....
And.... Right as I posted that, sure enough OTCN dropped under ASCM, only to have ASCM drop lower, then OTCN drops lower to take the lead ask again.... And just like that, we're back in the 04's and very likely right back into the pattern. And around and around we go....
With 6 months to go before the div date, I just don't see a rush to buy ENZC quite yet. Anyone who's been watching this knows that OTCN is still going strong, which means the push down continues as a result. With plenty of time to buy to qualify for the div, I personally see most people waiting for OTCN to drive us lower/back in 03s or possibly even lower, before jumping in to buy... Lets hope I'm wrong...
Well, it certainly seems that ASCM is trying to cover their shorting yesterday. Let's hope we see some continued higher-volume/buying that prevents the typical/historical cliff-drop/gain-erase that we've grown used to seeing after higher volume/bigger green days..... It's just too easy for ASCM to cover, knowing that OTCN & INTL are still selling and/or converting. All ASCM has to do is drop the ask further, and they know that OTCN/INTL will eventually drop below them.
Today should be interesting. Will we fall back to the typical pattern (ASCM covering yesterday + OTCN/PUMA push back down) which usually erases our total gain in blink of an eye OR do we see the volume/buying continue?
Yup. T-Trade for 9.2% of volume, but wasn’t a huge discount today. Closed at 0.0502 and the t-trade went thru at 0.0501…
That would be nice, but I won't be surprised to see us pushed back to .0479-.0489ish.... I like 06+ better though...
This is great Doc! We need more people like you taking the initiative to do things like this. As a TX resident, let me say "Thank you" for doing this!
I don't disagree raja. Just pointing out that it's possible that statement delays the prolonged volume/buying we're all waiting for. The way we trade this week should tell us a lot. Based on past 2.5+ years of ENZC history, I would expect to see the volume dry up and back to the push down tomorrow/Wednesday. If that doesn't happen and we sustain substantially higher than avg volume the remainder of the week, I'll take that as a great sign. We shall see soon enough...
Thanks DRUHMI - Just now saw your reply. The only one I don't like and think could cause people to hold off from buying is this one. Even though it's now binding, they can still terminate the deal if not closed by Dec 31st. I think this will cause the volume that we've been wanting to be delayed until deal is actually closed and/or after 12/31 to ensure it's not terminated.
ASCM has done this literally every time we've seen a PR that gave us volume over the past 2 years. Below are just a few snippets from prior PR's resulting in higher volume... We can pretty much set our watches by it... If PR drops that results in Volume, there is a 100% chance that ASCM joins the party to short it... Never fails..
Here you go DOGONE.... ASCM doing what they've done to us after any PR that resulted in higher volume over the past 2+ years. They show up and short the sh!t out of us all day long... Also noticed that PUMA's more active today as well... We're only 45 minutes into the day, so plenty of time left where anything can happen....
LOL…Gimme 15-30 min and I’ll be back at my computer. I can’t post a screenshot when using ihub app on my phone….
Agreed
On my phone SA so I can’t post, but as per usual, ASCM joined the party and was likely shorting us. However, if we can maintain volume/buying, we could hold and/or even move up further. Anytime we get a decent PR, ASCM does what they do, and only volume and retail buying pressure can stop them…
Thanks DOGONE. That's what I was afraid of. I do expect to see volume and ENZC pps go up some as we near that date, but with 6 more months to go, I doubt we see it anytime soon.
Has anyone went through the SAGA deal in detail yet? Curious if we have a dividend date yet and/or when we think that will be (last day to buy ENZC to qualify for the dividend)?
The $450M deal should've put ENZC around .15, but instead drove it down. Maybe now that it's a "binding" deal, that will change as a result of people wanting to get the SAGA dividend. Personally I'm not expecting to see much of a change in our trading tomorrow, as I believe we would've seen a change last Thursday/Friday. However, I'm still hoping for the best come tomorrow....
ENZC has been severely undervalued for several years now. I understand what falon and others are saying about "results," but many bio's are usually priced somewhere between potential value & true value, whereas ENZC has been driven under true value and held for years. For example, SAGA must think that ENZC is worth much more than $450M, or they wouldn't be paying that much; and $450M only puts us at .146. My point being that I still believe that our "undervalued pps" is and has been intentional.
Got it. The reason I asked is because that is my best guess as to what OTCN is/has been doing (converting Series B Preferred at 1:10 ratio. 1 B for 10 commons) and I would be thrilled if they weren't. What worries me about the Series B is that we saw Harry convert 2M B for 20M commons last quarter, and given the qty of B that he holds, depending on how many he decides to convert, it could eat up those 900M shares that were added to the AS real quick. Not as worried about CC & Chandra, as both of them also hold plenty of commons, but Harry and/or the Zhabilov Trust sold their commons long ago and could be trying to replenish prior to the dividend...
Anyway, guess we'll see soon enough...
Mutat - That may be true for now, but there should be no doubt that they'll increase the AS for future investors/partners, and I imagine that they'll do that sooner vs later. However, even if they doubled it and added another 49M (45 New + 4.x existing = 49M OS), it would still only be an OS of 98M which is still low.
Also - Where do you think OTCN's shares are coming from? They've sold way more shares than the qty of restricted that's moved to unrestricted, so I personally don't believe that's it. I'd just really like to know where they are coming from and/or if they're conversions, ENZC selling some of the added 900M, or some large shareholders cashing out (based on qty they've been selling for so long, would have to be more than one large shareholder).
Noted. I didn't see that. Does the same go for Series B preferred?
The only reason that I can think of is that maybe the increase happened after June 30th? I can't remember when it happened, but other than an error on OTCM or an error in the filing, that is the only thing I can think of...
Wick - Unfortunately that is calculated using our current OS, but based off of what we've been watching with OTCN + the fact that CC added 900M shares to our AS for a reason, I believe that 1,167.39 will decrease. Hopefully it doesn't, but OTCN is still with us and still in full control, and I'm expecting to see our OS continue to increase as a result. The shares they've been selling are coming from somewhere, and I still believe that it is either preferred conversions or ENZC selling some of those 900M for some reason. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't believe I am.
Thx and I hear ya Dyno. We've been on the same page for a while now, and both of us were "ULTRA-PRO/POSITIVE-ENZC" for a very long time before all of this, but I just don't like the way this is playing out. I'm not kidding when I say that I am hoping/praying that you and I are dead wrong and somehow missing something, but I don't believe we are. We shall see soon enough, but for all of our sake's, I hope that we're missing something/wrong....
Have a great rest of your weekend too!
bytheocean - I'm down on this deal because for the past 2+ years we've been led to believe that ENZC would reap the benefits of Clone 3, AI, and the rest of the tech going to SAGA. Clone 3 (HIV Only) was projected at roughly $9.09B per year, which put ENZC pps over $3, then factor in everything else. That is what we were led to believe was coming to ENZC. In addition, we were led to believe the audit was being done, and was to be immediately followed by uplisting. We were led to believe that they would get the funds to put their tech in trials and bring it to market by partnering with BP's, not selling them the farm. We were led to believe that we would eventually see ENZC uplist to Naz without an RS.
Many of us passed up on life-changing gains (I'm not just talking about the run to .958, but even after that. Many of us could've walked away with 7-8 figures gain at the time Charles did the first "Emerging Growth Conference," but instead held because we believed what he & Chandra were telling us). Now, everything that we were holding for has just been sold to another company. Yes, we'll get a few SAGA shares, and even make a few dollars, but it won't come close to what we were led to believe was coming to ENZC, which ultimately played a role in holding vs selling for 7-8 figure gains.
Lastly, I'm sure many others are in this boat that I'm about to talk about too, but I am speaking personally here. I talked several family members into buying ENZC years ago, some of whom paid between .30-.50 for their shares. They are not sitting on millions of shares, so not only do they have miles and miles to go just to break even, their chances of making the kind of money we were led to believe was coming to ENZC are pretty much gone.
For example, lets say a family member purchased 200K shares at $0.50, a cost of $100K. Right now those ENZC shares are worth a whopping $7,780, leaving them in the hole roughly $92K, and I don't expect the ENZC cliff-drop to stop anytime soon (expecting many more conversions/OTCN selling). The odds of them making any of that back via ENZC shares is pretty much gone, and based on the tiny qty of SAGA shares they'll end up with, I just wish I never would've convinced them that ENZC was worth the risk.
Anyway, as I mentioned to rockie earlier, I'm seriously running on empty from that 19+ hour drive yesterday, so I'll dig into the SAGA news in much more detail tomorrow. I hope/pray that I'm missing something and/or misinterpreting everything. Nothing would make my day more.....
Have a great rest of your weekend!
I want to believe that too rockie, but based on what we know as of now and what we've been watching daily, I just don't see it. To the best of my knowledge (and I would love to be wrong about this), BGEN owns Clone 3 & the AI Platform, and VIRO owns ITV-1. All of those go bye bye with this deal, as they now fall under SAGA. ENZC is left with Robusomed, lawsuits, and nonstop conversions/selling. Unless Robustomed has something of enormous value that none of us know about, I'm just not seeing it. But I'll say it once again, we still have "hope," but it appears to be dwindling away.
Like I've said, I really hope I'm wrong after 3+ years of holding this based on what "we were led to believe would happen with ENZC." (#Audit, #Uplist, Rocket Ships, Yachts, etc..etc...etc...) only to see the tech/value we've been holding for go to another company where we'll only hold at best 1/100th of the qty of the ENZC shares we hold.
Anyway, let's see what happens in the coming days. I'm really not expecting to see much of a change to our trading pattern on Monday, as I believe we still have many more conversions/OTCN dumping to go, but I do think Monday's action should give us a hint of what's to come for ENZC one way or another (good or bad)...
rockie - You've been here long enough to know that I wasn't always so negative with ENZC. For a very long time (until March 2022), I was as positive as the most pro-ENZC investor out there, if not the most positive on this board. That said, when it comes to this deal, you are correct. Unless there is something I'm missing, I will never see this deal as good for us. The tech/products that we've been holding for (Clone 3 Cure, Other mABS, ITV1, and AI Platform) just went to another company before the true value of them was realized (in the market). So now, when that value is realized, rather than it impacting/benefiting the millions of shares that most of us own, it will benefit the new company and the tiny qty of shares that we'll own in it (1/100th to 1/200th of the qty of ENZC shares we hold).
I actually spent several hours in your neck of the woods yesterday (AR) as I drove 19-20 hours straight (MD to Frisco, TX), so I haven't had time to review everything yet. Seeing how I'm still running on empty from that drive, I probably won't dig into it until tomorrow, but I'm hoping there's something I'm missing that changes my mind. However, for the time being, I feel as though we've been screwed in true OTC style (commons always get the shaft)... I was praying that this deal did not happen and ENZC found another route, but that didn't happen....
I hope you’re right Doc, but if that we’re gonna happen, I would’ve expected to see it begin yesterday/Thursday.
I really hope I’m wrong, but I’m expecting the push down, OTCN dumping, PUMA control, etc… to continue. However, unlike many on here, I did NOT want this deal to go through, as I still see it as nothing more than an RS in disguise that screws all of us who held this long based on what we were led to believe would come to ENZC.
I guess we’ll see soon enough…. I’m Praying that you’re right!
LOL…. Looks like we’re heading back to 03’s. They worked the chart perfectly over the past 1-2 weeks to push the rsi up around 45 (without pushing pps up) while we’re straddling 04, so they’ve got plenty of room to drive down before nearing oversold/teaser-padding-spike again….
Unbelievable how long this has been going on….
Gee, I wonder if we’ll see another T trade for roughly 215k shares around .039ish just after the bell today?
rockie I disagree. It is a rs, but in disguise. All of ENZC value (minus robustomed & lawsuits, but they've already said they're spinning off robustomed at some point as well) is being transferred to a new company, leaving ENZC with no assets or operations. We've all been holding ENZC for that specific value which is being transferred to new company. We will get something like 1 share of new company (SAGA) for every 100 shares of ENZC we own, which is the equivalent of a 1:100 RS.
Yes, we will still own our ENZC shares, but the value we were holding for will be gone, and ENZC will be worthless. That is why I've been saying it's a RS in disguise. Now, those with 20, 30, 40, 50M+ shares of ENZC will do just fine. Those will smaller holdings may do ok, but nowhere near what we were all led to believe was coming to ENZC. I already know many disagree with me, but I believe everyone will eventually agree and/or come to the same conclusion when this all plays out. There's a reason why all of this selling & conversions have been taking place, just as there was a reason Charles increased our AS by almost 25% without any filings, info, or clarification as to why. If it was for a good reason and/or a reason that Shareholders would agree with, he would've dropped a fluff PR the second it was done.
Anyway, like I've been saying, it is what it is at this point, and we're left with only "hope."
Not at all and very possible, but right now SAGA is around $10, so where will it be when they add 45M new shares (they’ll add more than 45, because they’ll need shares for future investors, partners, etc….
Will BGEN/VIRO immediately add $450M value to SAGA, because right now they’re not even worth $125M with Robustomed included? There are too many questions to know anything at this point.
Depends on how many SAGA shares you have, and we don’t know the full details of the dividend yet, but we know it won’t be anywhere near the qty of shares we hold in ENZC. Maybe 1/100th? This is why I’ve been saying from the beginning of the SAGA announcement that this is a reverse split in disguise. It allows Charles to separate the value they convinced us to hold for, from ENZC, it’s lawsuits, and 3B+ OS…
Those holding 25, 30, 50M+ will do fine. Smaller commons will get royally screwed.
“Hope” is all we have left for ENZC…
ENZC will NOT reap the rewards. SAGA (if goes thru, which I believe it will), will reap the rewards. Like I just said in prior post, they are doing everything they possibly can to separate BGEN (who holds clone 3 value) & VIRO from ENZC.
The only way ENZC would reap the rewards would be if they PRd something related to cure, ENZC, BP partnership, etc…. before BGEN/VIRO go away; and I just don’t see that happening.