I would have to agree with you here, because otherwise it doesn't really make any sense. The only part that frustrates me with all of this is that we were all led to believe that the true value of Clone 3 and other ENZC IP would be realized under ENZC, after they were audited, after they went SEC Reporting, and after they uplisted, which is why many of us held and/or bought more. As we watch this playing out now, it appears that couldn't be further from the truth and instead they are doing everything possible to separate that value from ENZC before disclosing it's true value to the world. Anyway, that's just the way I see it...

Exactly what I've been saying. So why sell the farm for $450M?

No disrespect Matat, but I think you're comparing apples vs oranges there.

Elon Musk - CEO of Social Media Co that he purchased at the request of ex-wife to help save free speech/stop censorship.

VS

Chandra - CEO/CSO of biotech company, where engaging with trolls, taking part in twitter spaces, telling people our "yachts will come," etc... is beyond outside of the ordinary.

That's what I'm "hoping" for rockie....

Yeah, I saw it coming from a mile away. These other companies/competitors (especially BP) have unlimited funds, unlimited resources, unlimited corrupt contacts in FDA, NIH, etc... (snippet below gives small example, but it's much worse than just this) and I knew they'd catch up if we didn't do/say/share/disclose something soon. What I find most intriguing and worrisome is that Charles is selling the farm to SAGA for $450M (45M shares) vs partnering with someone like Samsung, who has the funding and everything needed to take ENZC tech/mABS to trial and market. Why? Why has Samsung not ponied up what ENZC needed, especially when they came out like 1-2 years ago and said they had billions of dollars to re-invest in their lines of business. Just seems a bit off, as I always believed that Samsung was the most likely.

The only thing I can think of is that they wanted ENZC SEC Reporting and wanted lawsuits wrapped up before diving in. This could be why ENZC is falling over themselves trying to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC. Or even just as likely, but worse, Samsung, like many other BP's does not want an actual cure. They much rather prefer the status quo of treating the symptoms vs developing cure.

Anyway, just food for thought. All of these years I've been praying before going to sleep every night that I'd wake up to news Clone 3 curing HIV, followed by ENZC+Samsung Partnership, which would drive ENZC pps into $dollarS. Still hoping, but pretty sure that prayer, dream, wish has gone by the wayside with this SAGA BS.

I hear ya Dyno. When I brought that up more than a year ago, most just laughed at me and said "this is bio, it takes time." Well, here we are years later, and everyone and the grandmother is trying to be first to market. The lead that we did have with Clone 3 is all but gone at this point, and it's now a foot-race to the finish line. Like I've been saying, I really hope they pull a rabbit out of a hat "soon."

Pretty sure BGEN is going to carry the most value, which is why I would love for this SAGA deal go away, and ENZC to put out a PR stating that they've acquired the funding to continue under ENZC, drop the audit, then SEC Reporting, then the big news on BGEN/C3/AI, while under the ENZC umbrella.

I know that is beyond wishful thinking, but stranger things have happened....

Gee.... I wonder how Sen Feinstein became so rich in a government position?

I would say very low because I doubt BP would allow it. The power & influence held by BP is beyond the power & influence of any other sector/group, and I doubt they'd be ok with allowing something like this that could/would have a major impact on their bottom lines. However, this is my thoughts/ 0.02...., and we live in a world where anything is possible....

Every time the ask drops to 04, OTCN comes back immediately. So strange how they've been intentionally selling for less. PPS goes up and they bow up. Gets pushed back down and they immediately pop back in....

I am quite curious to see how today closes and what they do at that special 2:30PM EST time....

Agreed.. Very nice site. Another reason I believe that this deal will go through and if for some reason it doesn't, one way or another they're dead-set on separating the value (BGEN/VIRO) from ENZC. If this SAGA SPAC doesn't happen, they'll find somebody else, but they're definitely going to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC.

OTCN is just another Market Maker, usually non-retail. They’ve only been active on ENZC 2 times, and both times have hurt us.

1. In Jan 2022 OTCX (same MM as OTCN. Sometimes they use OTCN and other times OTCX) synced up their algo with VIRT to drive us from .159 back under .10, without actually buying or selling. Just simply used their synced algos to control/drop both bid/ask until the pps was safely under .10 with plenty of padding, then both OTCX &VIRT disappeared.

2. In May 2023, once again the second we broke .10, both VIRT & OTCN appeared and did the exact same thing they did in 2022. Synced up their algos and drove us way back under .10 without buying or selling. Once they got the pps down to .06 or lower, OTCN began selling and hasn’t stopped since. However, last week when we saw a small spike, they stopped selling and didn’t start again until ASCM pushed us back to .05 or less.

I’m not really sure what’s going on with them, but it’s definitely strange that they are intentionally selling for less.

I think there’s an easy answer to that one. There’s been nothing new to post….


That’s said, the board is what we make of it, but at the end of the day it’s just an opinion board. Nothing more nothing less…

LOL… Not instructions. Just been watching same pattern for 2.5+ years now, and easy to see what’s coming…

And there’s OTCN right in time for 2:30 drop. Artificial 04 ceiling on deck….

Yeah I hear ya CK.... I used to bleed purple for the ravens, but haven't watched a single NFL game since Nov 2017, when the ravens were playing Jacksonville in England, and they kneeled for the National Anthem, then stood for God Save the Queen. That was the end of my Ravens & NFL.... I have been watching some college football though, and we've got the Red River Classic (TX vs OU at Cotton Bowl Stadium) coming up next Saturday (10/8). Definitely looking forward to that one....

I'm getting the feeling that in roughly 1 hour we're gonna be pushed into 03s, and the ask will immediately be stacked under an artificial 04 ceiling. I'm expecting them to close us around .0379-.0389, but hoping that tomorrows settlement date stops them/brings some buying/volume. Guess we'll find out shortly...

Sad, isn't it. No OTCN yet either. However, lets see what happens when 2:30 PM EST rolls around. I expect we'll see a slight increase in volume, as well as the artificial 045 ceiling dropped to 04. I'd love to wake up one of these days to any one of and/or all of the following:

1. Games over, organic trading only that takes us back near an accurate pps (0.25 - 0.35)
2. Tangible news that moves the pps and sustains it, while BGEN/VIRO are still under ENZC
3. Worlds longest audit completed, and SEC Reporting.
4. Update/News on Clone3

After tomorrow we will be 9 full months into 2023, yet still trading according to the exact same groundhog day pattern and still sitting down in this ridiculous level (I'm convinced this is intentional). Anyway, is what it is, and just hoping for the best here....

Havent seen OTCN yet this morning (I just logged on 20+ minutes ago though), but I see INTL, PUMA, and ASCM still sticking around... We sure could use some kind legitimate, tangible, significant news right about now. PPS is straddling 04, so the gain we saw from that last PR is gone, yet RSI still up at 45. So funny how that works.

It beyond hard to believe that we are 9 full months into 2023 and still stuck inside of the same pattern sitting in low 04's, likely going back to 03's today. Now we're at that special 10:30 EST time, so a cliff-drop/push down to be expected, then sideways until 2:30 PM EST, at which point we see the end of day push down. Can't wait for this BS non-organic pattern to come to an end!

Dyno - You definitely know my thoughts on this SAGA deal and pretty everything ENZC at this point, but I will say this. I 100% do believe that Clone 3 is the crown-jewel and/or cure, and I do believe that the reason we have not heard anything related to C3 is because of an NDA. Now, whether or not us current shareholders benefit from it, SAGA benefits from it, or there's something else going on with another BP that we're unware of, I still think that an NDA is preventing them from disclosing any progress, projects, trials, results, etc... related to C3... Hopefully we find out sooner vs later, but regardless, that's my 0.02 as it pertains to Clone 3.

Sounds about right. Match made in heaven with them & ENZC....

I see ASCM still here playing their games, and we're just past 10:30 AM EST, so we'd usually see a cliff-drop on the chart right about now, then again at 2:30 PM EST, so let's see what happens.... This is the first I've checked in this morning, so not sure if VIRT is still hanging around or not, but wouldn't surprise me.

On a separate note, have we seen/heard anything on SAGA filings, or still waiting?

Not really sure 2b, but they've been working the chart like this for years.

Let’s see what happens Thurs/Fri. Friday is next short interest settlement date, so maybe a little teaser spike?

Agreed.... But SAGA always seems to be a little bit behind sharing those things, similar to the extensions. I would expect to hear something between Friday-next Tuesday, if they did actually present something to Naz yesterday. Anyway, I guess we'll see. In the meantime it's after 2:30 EST, so "down we go..."

LOL... Yup.... Never fails.... And just like that....we're back in the 03's, and they've got a little extra padding on the RSI, which is still up at 45.x. Gotta love how quickly that RSI flies upwards on the tiny little green days, but takes an act of God to drop back to Oversold.

Also, I do find it beyond intriguing thought that a company is willing to pay $450M for BGEN & VIRO, yet ENZC+BGEN+VIRO+Robustomed combined are sitting at a whopping $123M market cap. Makes all the sense in the world.... LOL...

ASCM Not giving an inch, which is a little worrisome if they're still shorting this. Do they know something we don't which gives them the confidence to continue shorting us? As I said before, I've been watching this stock since March 2020, and I have never seen ASCM stick around this long after their typical/usual shorting on PR day + 1 to 3 days max afterwards. However, they haven't stopped since the PR last Monday, and don't appear to be letting up anytime soon.

Lastly, now that they've driven us back to 03's (see them stack under artificial 04 ceiling any minute now), OTCN jumps back in to start selling again at lower pps. Can't make this stuff up. I really wish I knew WTF was going on here...

Gee, what a shocker. 2:30PM EST rolls around and down we go, with ASCM perched on top bid to absorb/cover what they can. Never could've predicted that one..... LOL..... Here come the 03's.... BS never ends!

Well, it doesn't appear that ASCM will be letting up anytime soon.... Curious to see what happens Thurs/Friday before the upcoming settlement date. Do we see a covering spike, or are they already fully covered and just using OTCN's predictable selling to make some $$$.... (Drop ask lower than OTCN, short what they can, then wait for OTCN to drop below them and cover. Wash+Rinse+Repeat....) Either way, this is the longest that I've seen them stick around the past 2+ years, after shorting the news. Usually they short us on the News/PR day, then cover and erase our gains during the following 2-3 days. However, this time they seem to be sticking around for some reason...

The fact that VIRT has graced us with their presence again (not buying or selling, just using algo to control), is telling me that we won't be in .04's much longer rockie. They are working to push us back into 03's, and who knows if they'll try to push lower than that? Same games, same control, same coordination, different day.

It's almost impossible to believe that we nearing the end of 2023, and yet:

1. Have a MC under $150M
2. Still no audit
3. Still no SEC Reporting
4. Still in Pinks
5. Still no news on Clone 3, Enzo, etc...
6. Still no 27 retailers for IPF
7. Still no "monumental shift."
8. Still nothing on plandemic-19 mABS
9. Lastly, still cannot sustain any small/teaser gains we see from any PR's, due to the same playbook (ASCM short then drive down to cover). Only now, we also have OTCN, who for some reason prefers selling lower vs higher, PUMA, INTL, and now VIRT.

This trading pattern here hasn't changed for a full year. Last October, PUMA took control and held control until OTCN & INTL joined the party. For the past few months OTCN has been in full control, but for some reason won't sell for more $ and only selling lower. When they take a break/bow out for a while, PUMA jumps right back in and re-takes control until OTCN and/or VIRT re-appear. Also, since we recently had volume generating PR, we also had ASCM join the party, and they are still sticking around (don't usually stay this long after covering/erasing the gain from PR). WASH + RINSE + REPEAT.

Never changes. I don't pretend to know why and can only guess, but for some reason "they" just aren't going to allow this to move up. Whether or not it has to do with the SAGA deal is anyone's guess, but regardless, I just don't see ENZC breaking .05 again unless some surprise drops. I would really love to be wrong about this one, but there seems to be too much coordination with holding this down here.

SA - Also lets not forget what appears to be at the top of the list. It seems the company also want's to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC & lawsuits as soon as they possibly can. Over the past few months there has bee a very noticeable change in how they release PR's (All used to be PR'd directly under ENZC, then the subs were discussed within that PR. Now, all PR's are being released under each individual sub, which I don't believe is a coincidence).

That is one thing I'm having trouble with. If they knew and planned on separating BGEN/VIRO from ENZC, then why tell us for 2+ years that they're working on audit, SEC Reporting, & uplist, then have ENZC license out the tech or partner with someone (BP) who has the funds they need, when they planned on separating/selling the tech from ENZC completely? Not to mention still no audit, still no SEC Reporting, no uplist?

Anyway, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that for 2+ years we were being told one thing and/or led to believe one thing, all the while they were working/planning on doing something else.

Wow. Both ASCM and VIRT still hanging around, but it’s VIRT that worries me. If you watch L2 in conjunction with trades/time&sales, you can see that VIRT is neither buying or selling. Just once again using their algo to hold/control; but the question is where are they trying to push it to and/or how low are they trying to take it? I originally thought they were just holding under 045, but now thinking they want us back under 04.

Like I said before, this is the first time in3+ years that VIRT has played their game at this low of a pps.

Yeah. I get it and completely understand the rules and the games of OTC, but what they've done to this stock, specifically in Jan 2022 is way beyond anything I've ever come across before. For example, right now it doesn't matter too much because volume is so low, but back then it did matter, and their actions (VIRT+OTCX) in Jan 2022 (driving from .159 safely back under .10) is what I view as the start of our push down/hold. From that point forward, we've experienced the same pattern, same action, etc.... day in/day out with no end in sight.

Truthfully, I could even understand (wouldn't like it) but could at least understand if they were shorting us back then, but neither one was buying or selling. They were simply using their algos to control the pps, so we had no chance. Anyway, would be nice if we actually saw some accountability, or at the very least saw it addressed by company. But like I've been saying, at this point, it is what it is, and "hoping" for a miracle.

Agreed Dyno, but unfortunately if there is Regeneron news eventually coming, I don't believe Charles will disclose it until BGEN/VIRO are under SAGA. We'll still benefit, but not like we would if he announced it while still under ENZC.

Most of it is hard to prove, but yes. I did send the most obvious (VIRT+OTCN Jan 2022) into the SEC via tip form and via email (including numerous real-time screenshots showing how they were not "making a market," nor selling, nor buying, but using their synced up algos to control the pps. I did receive an email back from the branch chief (show in snippet below), but that was the last I heard of it...

2:30 EST is here.... Lets see if we're hit with our usual takedown/cliffdrop....

Something strange going on with OTCN. Doesn't make a lick of sense that they stopped selling when it went up, but then once ASCM shorted us back down, they immediately reappeared to start selling again. Now VIRT is back ensuring we remain under 045. Conversions or some kind of deal to sell at a pre-arranged price are the only things I can think of. However, VIRT only shows up to drive the pps down, or at least that's the only time they've shown up over the past 2 years. Prior this, the only other time they've been here since I've been here (March 2020), was Jan 2022 (VIRT synced up with OTCX and drove us from .159 back under .10 without actually buying or selling. Then again in May 2023 with OTCN, did the same thing). Now they're back, and appear to be holding under .045. Anytime the ask hits .0445 or higher, they immediately appear; and then once safely back under, they disappear. The entire time never buying or selling, just using their algo to control. That may be considered many things, but "Making a market" is not one of them.

The illegal games & manipulation that I've witnessed here over the past 2.5-3+ years is unlike anything I've ever seen since I've been trading. I understand it's the OTC, but what bothers me is that It's gone completely unaddressed the entire time, and not expecting it to change anytime soon... Like I've been saying, at this point, it is what it is, and all I've got left for this stock & mgmt behind it, is hope.

And now VIRT is back, which is strange in and of itself seeing them down this low, but them back and running their algo (not buying or selling, just controlling), tells me we're not moving back up anytime soon....

Also, the other thing that's a bit different right now is that we have both ASCM & OTCN active. ASCM shows up with every PR and shorts us into oblivion, then during the following days controls the ask to drive it down and cover. Only this time it's much easier for them to push it down further, because they know that whatever they drop the ask to, OTCN will jump them and drop it lower. Wash+Rinse+Repeat. The ending result is basically a chart that looks like this every day, until we either get close to an Oversold RSI or we see another PR. If we see another PR and we're lucky, we'll get one good green day out it, then back to the pattern/push down, as we watch our gains erased in the days following the PR. More predictable than any stock I've ever traded.

We'll see how much covering ASCM is able to accomplish today-Wednesday. If they can't finish covering what they need, we may see another tiny-teaser-spike Thursday/Friday of this week. We shall see...

Agreed Doc.... Like I've mentioned many times before, I don't believe Charles added those 900M to the AS for his health. Unfortunately I fully expect to see that 3.9AS Maxed out, prior to SAGA closing, but pray to God that I am wrong. OTCN's limitless/endless shares are coming from somewhere, and I think we'll get a peak into where with the Q3 fins.