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Agreed been through this before
Agreed... 2 months .... possible... 2 weeks very unlikely
I agree.... in 6 months everyone will wish they bought more below .05
Agreed
Thats about my low end estimate... but i doubt carter is looking for the low end
Nothing was supposed to be decided today
Wave division is a provider of broadband and fiber optic networks in ca and the pacific nw. They have recently acquired assets from many cable.providers including charter.
They have also raised over 1b to expand these networks into ca.
My guess is this suppena is to quantify the huge investment that is required to switch from the infringing tech to fiber optic.
It may also.shed light on why wave has made such a large investment (perhaps because they know the docis tech is infringement
Agreed that was part of my point i made before ... the other half was why would he want to dilute his own Holdings. Any issuance of share would dilute his as well as ours
Yes that was just that makes logical sense to me. I have no information to support it accept basic logic
Totally agree.
My guess is that carter wants a cash buyout or settlement....plus with 13 companies involved cash is far simplier
A buyout can be executed with either the aquiring companies stock or cash
I dont know but i think its irrelevant...why would carter want to dilute his position. Furthermore owning 900m of 1.6b outstanding shares if he did sell.additional shares he could only sell 300m before making his shares less than 50% of outstanding. 300m is 19% of current outstanding shares
Depends on timing and resistance ... no way to know as L2 constantly changes. However, if l2 was static it would only take a limit buy order of about 1m set at .10
Realistically with dynamic L2 one buy of about 3m-7m could probably do it... so call it about a $30k - 70k buy
There is no way anyone could have bought 10 m shares at those prices without driving the price up... let alone 70m
I believe you...I just dont know what the point you are trying to make is by looking at the all time low pps
I remember when it was 0.0001 ($7k for 70m)... but dont recall it being 0.000001
No way of knowing for sure...all I know is either would be easily 10x+ where we are now
LOL so true... could be flippers flipping too
Very rational
One settlement amount ... they are arguing the case collectively. The amount for all 13 will be determined not the amount for each entity. (They will not be separate negotiations)
However, the % of that amount that each entity owes will be detemined either formulaically base on revenue or issued by the court. Depending on how far reaching their indemnification is they may not even care how its allocated
You are correct. This was just one a 5 over 2b and it was a jury award ratger than a settlement. However if a jury awarded uoip this amount tge pps would go tgrough the roof and most would sell prior to any chance of an appeal.
Honestly i think a reasonablr settlement amount four uoip is between 1b and 2b depending on how aggressive carter wants to play it. If he doesnt get that and wlwxts to go to trial we are looking at a much higher award but run the risk of appeals
Heres an article for a 2.5b / 7.5b patent infringement
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/2.5b_verdict_is_largest_patent_infringement_award_in_us_history_will_award
I believe the highest to date was 2.7B....ill look and see if i can didg it up.
The reason i got into uoip is that the tech is pervasive throughout the entire industry and is essential to the business and will be even more essential in the future
Anywhere over a few million shares could be a very significant payout with my settlement pps estimate between .5 and 2
There are a several on this board that i believe have over 15m and a few with over 30m. Maybe 1 or 2 with 50m
Look at the coordinated wall. 4 mms ask at 0.041 (900k) the other 2 mms above .057
My point exactly
How are tou getting to probablilities of varipis outcomes.... or are they just guesses?
Also a settlement for 50m (for 13 companies) would never be accepted... if thats all they were willing give carter in a settlement we would definately go trial.
In a settlement that low carter who own 900m shares would only net less than $20 million after legal costs and his $5m payment. He dis not get in to this to make 4-5x his investment
Not worried at all... waiting for funds to clear so i can buy more.. pps will be above .08 in a month or two
Lol I wish. However I think he is pretty confide t that if this goes to trial things will work out for uoip.... so i doubt he will settle for much lower than the valuation suggests
How do so many "longs" on this board get sucked into technical short term analysis discussions? I few new traders come in and it dominates the board.
Im long because i believe a settlement will enventually happen and it will be a min of 8x to 10x the high pps so far.
I couldnt care less what happens on the day to day pps swings
Arris has indemnification agreement with some of the ca le companies
If you see this to the end....(settlement imo) the pps you bought at wont make a difference to you... what matters is how many shares you have accumulated
This just brings more awareness to the Chanbond case!
30m locked at $4
I agree... thats why i believe the cable companies will settle before trial... willful infringement becomes a serious risk at trial with 3x damages
No we have never sued arris or cisco... they got involved because they supplied the tech to the csble companies
Pretty odd behavior when the company has annonce its plans to buy back stock
The previously mentioned that it was too soon to determine estimate potential damages or to determine a lilkely outcome.
No that the were denied the PTAB .... there is more risk to them... anything statement thwy make about the risk associated with the suit will bring alot more eyes and investors to uoip
A message was already sent to him