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I realize that, just tired of having posts deleted when on-topic, not personal.
Come on, be patient, don't you know we're wait for new "news", or maybe old news new pr, or news that isn't news until it' news, something along that line.
Maybe if you and others would quit offering illogical arguments to placate investors as to why the .08 pps is a good thing, then perhaps I'd stop informing investors why it isn't, why traders want it, and what Kim could do about it if he wanted.
Old news, new news, old prs, new prs with old news, etc etc. Saying this same thing over and over it still doesn't make it a logical argument. When article after article, interviews on national news, etc fail to mention KBLB as the one company that has produced spider silk (OMG, sorry, a blend of spider and worm silk), and is working towards pure spider silk, then I'd say any pc or interview that reached the public with that news is only logical to do.
And your argument along with others is that although it would spike the pps, it would be a bad thing in the long run and for that reason we should not do anything to promote the name recognition of KBLB.
I'd submit that this would be the FIRST thing Kim had done to actually raise the pps on solid investment, but that wouldn't fit into traders strategy as ever other pr has allowed. If you want to be a trader, and justify that strategy then fine, but you want all cards and be able to make up the rules of the game also. Putting KBLB before the public, thus the market, changes the rules so the investors have a fair shot to earn a profit thru a natural progression of the pps.
LOL. Went back and read it, sorry, no I wasn't referring to you, my bad.
Boy, Red and Zinc were right, the word of KBLB is spreading like wildfire.
Don't mean to sound flippant, I appreciate any investor involvement and this is news that should be made public knowledge.
LOL. I was going to post this same kind of joke, just to give the traders a heart attack.
But I would love to see it. As I told Red when he posted that the info presented in Textile World
was there for all to see, that this publication reaches maybe 1% of potential investors and potential companies that a simple interview on FOX would reach. A KBLB trader's nightmare, they'd be scrambling to buy shares before the pps skyrocketed with new investment.
Come on Kim, get it over with and give us a pr that announces the cc date, make it positive so we can get that spike that traders are waiting for, then they can dump shares and we'll be back down to where we are now by the time of the cc.
It's anybody's guess where the pps will be after the cc, it all depends on the "news" that Kim feels stockholders deserve to know. But any big news will probably have to be dug out of Textile World, apparently this is where the big investors go for information. Regardless, it's going to be a landfall for traders and a nightmare for traders unless I see Kim on FOX today, then the game changes.
It nice to have someone on the board with the knowledge to point out the critical flaws that I make. I didn't realize my statement referring to Monster silk as "spider silk" would spawn the feelings of frustration I have.
Forgive me if I don't share your views on the "market being a hard core realist that does not value based on future expectations", if that were the case there would be no investment in any R&D companies nor with most start-up companies whose expectations are based on proven science. And let's not give the market a chance to see what KBLB has to offer investors, boy that would be plain stupid.
As far as reaching potential investors, really think reading in articles that don't mention KBLB will cause a run on google? Yep, that'll reach a lot more than the publicity I have in mind. Back to REALITY, OK?
Well, despite your expertise in the matter, as an investor I'd have to disagree. Leading up to and including the cc, traders will use the volatility to either buy or sell depending on the pps.
Investors hope for HUGE news, if it doesn't come in a manner sufficient to break the hold traders or MMs have on the pps, it will soon be forced back down. If, on the other hand, investors know Kim is going to step up and take advantage of the media and public interest in spider silk, even if the news isn't huge in the cc they won't be tempted to sell as Kim's action would probably mean a rapid rise in the pps. Traders wouldn't dump shares or would gamble having to buy back at a much higher pps.
Even if the cc brings a spike to .12 or even .15, anyone selling would be doing so with the knowledge that Kim's actions may very well spike the pps to levels not yet seen, and should continue to rise from that point with proper IR and continued lab success. I don't know what you would do, but dumping shares at .15 isn't good if this is the move needed to skyrocket the pps. far higher.
Don't know if I'm right, but as an investor it's a scenario that certainly seems more
advantageous than simply relying on traders or mms to establish the pps because I know what that will be.
"If he did so now it would greatly reduce the impact of doing it at the CC"
Impact of what and on whom? We have no idea what Kim is going to impart to stockholders in the way of news at the CC, making the run-up to it a traders paradise, and a investors nightmare. Traders will work overtime between now and the cc to pump and dump shares, with the ONLY factor that could derail their efforts would be Kim announcing HUGE HUGE news, something that would attract major new investment that would blow away the resistance to a rising pps.
To announce that he's going to follow the cc with a pc or national interviews would eliminate much of this volatility traders are so fond of, as it would certainly up the ante as far as gambling on dumping shares, which has continually happened following all the prs previously, and will surely happen again unless that HUGE news is announced. This plan is a natural follow-up to the cc, using whatever positive info Kim releases at that event along with all of KBLB's previous successes to present to the media what KBLB is capable of.
If the news from the cc is tepid, the pps will fall and the traders will celebrate once again. If faced with a situation where Kim is going to take advantage of the national interest in spider silk, then traders will have to decide what impact that will have on the value of KBLB shares.
The IMPACT of not announcing such a plan favors only the traders, the IMPACT of doing so favors only the investors, making traders decide on the true value of KBLB stock instead of just accumulating shares as a result of stock manipulation.
Let's turn the corner and let the value of KBLB stock be decided by investors for a change, turn the dogs loose Kim and let the money roll in.
What you don't say is that the MMs can control the pps, much to the delight of traders, as long as KBLB continues on the IR course it has followed for so long. That is why any rise in the pps, based not on pumps or soft prs, but on solid news and publicity is so vehemently opposed by traders.
Well, no pumps needed now. Media would jump at the chance to be the first to break the story of KBLB, and it would all be FREE.
One thing we can all agree on is that the up-coming cc is going to be very important both to traders and investors. The volatility of the stock, with any pr and the cc itself, will be prime time for the traders to accumulate shares while simple investors will decide whether KBLB stock is worth holding.
What ultimately happens will depend on Kim's presentation of the pr and cc, and what message those send to stockholders. That message could include HUGE news of commercialization, or simple info on lab successes, or purchase of a lab and/or production/apparel co., etc etc. Or it could be a combination of all three. Regardless of which, traders will be pumping and dumping stock, while investors will be trying to decide what this info means to their investments. What happens will all depend on the message Kim delivers, or the lack thereof.
But Kim CAN influence what happens right now by announcing that a major pc and/or interviews with national media will closely follow the cc.
These would be meant to simply present KBLB's accomplishments to the public, and EXACTLY what they mean to the evolving science and future commercial products. Pure and simple.
IMO this is a win/win for investors, virtually eliminating the volatility that traders use so effectively as well as putting the market on notice that KBLB is the ONLY company in the WORLD that has produced Monster silk and has the evolving technology to produce spider silks that hopefully will lead to increasing commercial uses. Let the market decide on the worth of KBLB, not the traders.
Don't see a downside, except to traders.
Maybe Kim could line up something with Notre Dame to establish a first class website, I'm sure there is a bounty of computer classes there with web design as a major part of the class study. Would benefit everybody and not cost much, if anything.
Well, apparently the media, public, and the market must have missed the memo because for the most part KBLB is both unknown and it's stock is unwanted.
THINK. If I hadn't seen the Notre Dame pc, there would have been little in the prs released since that would have made KBLB different than the thousands of other biotechs to choose from. Small wonder the pps is a joke for a company that holds the keys to the kingdom as far as the production of spider silk is involved, even after the recent media blitz KBLB is STILL virtually unknown to the market and while that's on KIM and BEN, your posts influence some investors and that's on you.
"The point you appear to be missing is that news cannot be released until it is ready"
KBLB has produced Monster silk, it has used zfs to increase the science significantly, it has produced the platform worms, and every indication from Kim is that the science is progressing better than ever expected.
Don't you think these accomplishments are news? Don't you think that the fact that KBLB is the one company in the world that has this technology constitutes news? The rising interest in spider silk considers the MIT experiments as "news", but not the company that has the technology to actually produce Monster silk?
Now you're implying I'm a trader and that skyrocketing the pps would only benefit the selfish traders? You expect anyone to buy that?
Of course he gets your trust, if he continues on the same course he'll make all the traders on this board a great deal of money that will come from investors.
I've said he has the answers, and I'll admit he has the IQ, but what he doesn't have to this point is any plausible explanation for his failure to capitalize on KBLB's chance to dominate the spider silk market. And neither do you or any of your trader buddies that are capitalizing on his decisions.
This is your argument, that I'm full of hot air and Kim is full of knowledge? That's it, you think that explains anything that is happening NOW?
That may very well be true, but if it is I can only assume he has already worked overtime to ensure he has protected his science and commercial licenses, etc. against any foreseeable problems.
I am confused only by the lack of action and information by Kim, and if it's only due to Kim being protective and paranoid of KBLB's future, then I accept that even though I vehemently disagree with it. What better way to protect KBLB than informing the world and dealing from this point forward from a position of strength instead of the current position of a penny stock with a dismal pps. Doesn't make any sense not to, and I find it unbelievable that the advisory board would condone it.
I don't know why Kim announced the cc when he did, but I do know that it shut me up as far as posting for a pc at Notre Dame a couple of months ago. At that time I couldn't understand the blowback I received for that suggestion, nor were there any solid reasons why it shouldn't be held, but the announcement of the cc caused me to be quiet and wait.
The release of the peer review, spawning many articles and interviews on the potentials of spider silk, would have built on the info released at that pc and KBLB would NOW be recognized by the market as the key player in the production of spider silk. IMO the pps would be mulitiple times higher than it is now, built on solid info on the present and future products of KBLB.
But all the same players in that scenario, using all the same arguments, are now accusing myself as a "naysayer" for wanting that name recognition for KBLB. Now, as then, the only reasons possible for investors not wanting that recognition is the science isn't viable for the commercial production of spider silk or Kim has HUGE HUGE news that would somehow be negatively affected if the market realized that KBLB was the "player".
Since the science upon which the PNAS article was based, KBLB has announced MS and ZFs and platform worms and has NEVER given indications that the science wasn't progressing rapidly, so I am still hopefully confident that the science is solid. If it isn't Kim has had plenty of opportunity to release that news in the few interviews he's done, so that and the involvement of the advisory panel and Notre Dame just doesn't add up to some sort of cover-up.
That leaves Kim and the HUGE news to be announced at the CC, there's no other answer except than Kim, Ben, and that blue-ribbon panel are completely incompetent and even incompetence wouldn't explain their reluctance to take advantage of the increasing media and public interest in spider silk. If we are truly the one company in the WORLD that has the technology, patents, commercial licenses, etc. to produce spider silk, what possible reason could there be for ignoring the golden goose the media is offering us.
"Surpisingly those that would like to see present promotion never praise KBLB's past promotions"
Other than the pc done at Notre Dame any past promotions have only benefited traders, that's part of the reason we're at .08. Why would I praise those promotions? Why would I even post this response? Your statements are those of a trader, why would anyone believe you when ALL you care about is getting more shares from those less fortunate than you.
Don't even talk about dishonesty, what you're doing is far worse. Investors have a golden chance to make profits, probably for many meaning a decent retirement or maybe their life savings, and you continue to tell them what a bad idea it would be to give in to the media and present kblb to the world.
I am truly appalled both by the traders on this board and by the lack of action by Kim. He is ultimately to blame, you are happily allowing it to happen.
You are able to buy shares at .08 because the stock was and is being manipulated by traders, pure and simple.
Got to hand it to you though, you've been able to keep the pps at this trading level. Not an easy task considering the media and public interest, but then you've got the ace in the hole, KIM.
He's the one with the answers, he's the one that could change the whole ballgame with one interview on FOX, nothing can be done without his involvement and that's apparently not going to happen. Now we wait for HUGE news instead of rejoicing in a skyrocketed pps, all of this is on KIM and you traders LOVE it.
Why is the CEO of a company that can APPARENTLY produce spider silk, the only company in the world that can do so, acting in such a manner so detrimental to his company and investors? Guess we'll find out at the cc, or if traders continue to get their way, not.
Don't forget to bring that portfolio.
"The longer this is down and the more the pps jumps around the more shares I collect"
Gee, I wonder why you and other traders argue against publicity?
You just don't get it. Sad.
Where do you get the idea that giving an honest and straitforward assessment of Monster silk and future KBLB products would be a fluffpump? This argument seems to be at the center of not only your argument but also the traders that fear the idea of KBLB in the spotlight of the market.
I've seen this ridiculous argument before when the pc at Notre Dame was argued, how badly it would damage KBLB as a pump and dump penny stock. It wasn't valid then, and with everything that's happened since it's almost embarrassing to see you use it now.
I thought the whole idea was to build a company based on solid investments and ideas, not shady deals forced on Kim because of the low pps.
LOL. I was going to defend you earlier, not because I like or agree with your trading, but your posts have always seemed to be straightforward and lumping you in with all the other traders on this board was misplaced.
I might be mistaken, but I believe you would much rather reap profits from the success of KBLB rather than resort to trading and for that you differ greatly from the traders that manipulate this stock to the great distress of other investors. The fact you do trade KBLB as you do is simply the fact that the board is being manipulated and the conceptions of the business miscues Kim seemingly made and continues to make leaves no other option. You've argued constantly about those issues without any effect so I don't blame you for taking advantage of a situation that you can do nothing about, while most of the time you're labeled as the biggest of the "naysayers".
If I'm mistaken, it will be the FIRST time being so on this board.
"wacking your arguments out of the water"
What I meant by "massive new capital", and forgive me for thinking you would realize it, was that Kim would be able to sell shares at many multiples more than what he now has to. There would be no great dilution of shares, and to raise for instance one million dollars, he would only have to sell 2M shares at let's say the pps being .50, compared to todays pps where he would have to sell over 12M.
And a higher pps means more than just capital, it offers Kim a much stronger position when choosing partners or production methods.
Boy, what a waste of time but I knew it would be when I offered the challenge.
I thought so. Let me see if I understood correctly:
1) Although the publicity would lift the pps into the stratosphere, people would realize KBLB had no deal or revs so down it would come to what, .08?
Well I for one, am willing to take the chance that new investors not only would realize what great potential KBLB holds, but once the run on it starts the sky is virtually the limit and to think it would drop back down to it's current level is ludicrous. We have Monster silk, we have the evolving science that could lead to innumerable commercial products, we have patents and commercial licenses, we have what no company in the world has. Besides new capital, how many deals would be established once the public was aware of KBLB and the science.
2) Publicity takes time and effort, and you want Kim progressing the company, not informing the world of the potential of KBLB.
What could possibly progress the company more than establishing KBLB as the company with everything listed above? With the massive new capital, he could buy virtually anything he wanted to progress both the science and production of Monster silk in the quantities needed for revenues. This has to be one of the greatest opportunities offered a penny stock, and your argument is Kim doesn't have time?
"We are not there YET" Sorry, but we are there and it's time to take advantage, if you want to wait for "commercialization" thru the publicity in Textile World, or until the ultimate spider silk is realized, then what you are proposing is the worst possible course for Kim to take.
I guess the good thing that came from this is I don't have to shut up, something we both can agree on!!
LOL. Jumping to the conclusion that we have Monster silk is unreasonable? Jumping to the conclusion that national media coverage of KBLB wouldn't skyrocket the pps is unreasonable?
Either Monster silk, platform worm, etc. are all significant and positive steps toward pure spider silk OR NOT. If they are, the world wants to know, if not, then investors want to know. This argument has been used in the past to quiet the "naysayers" and as with all successful arguments it is being trotted out again.
How anybody can't see what your agenda is astounds me, and now you're using the scientists working in the lab as a reason for the failure of KBLB to capitalize on increasing media and public interest. Sad.
"WOW" almost 350k traded and pps falling, somebody's strategy is working.
"silence is golden" to traders.
I don't know how many times I can say it, but once again I hope you're right. I KNOW you're right in that we don't know what's happening behind the scenes, and that Kim might have very solid reasons why he would ignore the opportunities presented by the media and public interest in spider silk.
If he does, then GRRREAT!! But if not, his lack of response to the ever increasing interest in spider silk cannot be defended. What CEO in his right mind, being the only company in the world with this patented technology, would remain virtually silent when presenting KBLB to the media would constitute immediate name recognition as the future of spider silk production? Goes beyond imagination, especially for a stock with a pps of .08 and facing massive diution with any purchase of labs, apparel co., etc., that he would not be delighted to raise new capital for any investments he might be considering.
What information?
Nice work, Pedro.
I can't imagine media, whether it be paper, radio, or TV, hasn't contacted Kim to do interviews on the science developed by KBLB.
With the interest in spider silk growing every day, it seems illogical that there wouldn't be a great demand for follow-up articles or interviews with the company that has accomplished what heretofore was thought impossible. If they have, and were refused because Kim is not comfortable before the press, then Dr. Fraser would seem to be a suitable and obvious replacement.
Hard to believe the one company that has accomplished what no other has in the entire WORLD would be ignored by the media, but maybe I'm wrong and everyone cares about spider silk only, not who can produce it. Gives me a headache trying to come up with reasons why it hasn't happened.
But it's also hard to believe that same company had the market value of that company at .08, so I guess there's just alot happening that I just can't believe.
The gatekeeper is Kim, he has all the answers at this time, let's hope Kim and the advisory panel have worked together to put a business plan in place that will "rock our world"!
Appreciate the opinions.
How about rope, etc. thousands of different tie downs and cables for construction, trans., etc. in other words many lowtech industries?
Football, baseball helmets, underarmor shirts that most atheletes wear at every level, and other sporting gear, or whatever industry could use it for, in your opinion if the need was there could Monster silk be produced in quantities at a price that would warrant it's use?
IMO we'll never know how industries can use it if KBLB doesn't publicize in some way that reaches everyone. But if it is needed, and desired, do you think it can be produced cheaply enough to be viable?
Does Monster silk have the physical properties to "wow" the public? So much coverage on the potential uses of spider silk, does Monster silk have any future as a viable product?
I guess I've envisioned Monster silk as a completed product, used in many products and produced en masse to get a revenue stream while KBLB continues to develop more and better silk.
Could that happen, is Monster silk's strength, etc. viable in products or just in the textile market? Could it possibly replace rope, chain, etc. or used in other lowtech products?
If Kim demonstrated it's physical properties in public would it be an embarrassment to KBLB, or would it produce "wow".
You're right, I'm done arguing with posters on this board on this point as it is counter-productive to the point, but I'm certainly not done posting my views.
I've stated many times that this is what I hope is the reason for the lack of IR publicity, to consider the alternatives isn't pleasant at all.
No, Roman, no sarcasm intended at all. I REALLY hope that is the reason, because the magnitude of what we are missing cannot be ignored.
OMG, I'm in one of those arguments so favored by traders on this board that boil down to what "is, is". Anything to divert investors attention away from the obvious, that being KBLB is ignoring the chance of a lifetime to attract investment and raise the pps to levels that would eliminate much of the traders manipulation of this stock.
Why is KBLB avoiding the media, no idea. The ONLY logical reason would be that a HUGE deal is already done, anything else wouldn't measure up as a reason.
Justify your trading practices any way you want, it's not up to me to judge you, only to point out to investors what those practices are and how they affect people's investments.
Fair price for KBLB? Sky's the limit as far as I'm concerned, but as long as we remain out of the loop in regards to public awareness then I guess the market considers .08 to be fair. If the media is made aware of KBLB's involvement in the production of spider silk then that pps number would indeed skyrocket as new investors took advantage of the price compared to the potential.
But that's right, we don't need publicity, and don't insult me any further by saying how much you want it while you continue to argue against it. But we are going to get that publicity one way or another, even if the media has to drag it out of Kim, and I only hope KBLB is up to the challenge both with it's IR and science.