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TKDACE...Thank you, your welcome. Finally someone that appreciates by posts. I wish this could be conveyed to management.
But, just curious, why do you say "shady"?
You obviously, since you don't understand that Asher wasn't the only reason for OPHI's decline.
NO REVENUE, NO GROW STACKER PROJECTED REVENUE AND THE FALSE INVESTMENT AWARENESS PROGRAM!
What is it that you just don't seem to understand?
The PPS has gone from $ .165 since the RM and now what is it? Up about five times? lol
TKDACE.....This is not a scam and not sure why anyone would think that or even "shady" as you stated. There are some that are very jealous that they didn't get in down under a penny or two. They can't be stupid enough to short this short, as they're in aquisition talks as we speak.
BUT, as I have mentioned in prior posts (which haven't been understood by many) is that Voip-Pal.com (VPLM) has failed to inform, and educated to the investment community, how these patents will be implimented to produce revenue. Thus, allowing the market to bid their PPS. Other than through an aquisition. They have negelected to express how revenue can be calcuated.
Just for example: If they were to just license the patents, how would the revenues be produced? Number of subscribers, Voip sites subscriptions? There has been information that would allow the markets determine the PPS, other than, WOW, these patents are priceless! The government really needs them and all Voip providers (telephone companies included) would be forced to have this technology, etc.
From low ....we're talking about patent approvals not the Obama administration !
Far stretch but good try!
Yes I am. Those two guys had the money, don't be fooled. They own another company.
Fromlowtohigh....still waiting to hear back about the government website reporting a scam on Voip-Pal.com's patent (s). I hope it'sa goo one. Cant' wait to hear your response.
Well, must be new to investig in pick stocks, huh
Well, since Asher wasn't the main reason, I should of not invested in OPHI after the false PR'S and Guardian not living up to their IAP.
But you keep thinking otherwise. How's Grow Stacker doing, I wonder? lol
It sure is...........BUT I prefer to wait until DILUTION. And not to be caught IN investing on the ones that dilute after I invest.
Don't be too sure.
I want to invest it on companies that don't dilute.
Don't be so sure, Kennactiv's revenue will be included in OPHI'S. They own 99% of the shares. Why wasn't the symbol changed to Kennv?
This is not a shareholder friendly company. IMHO
Now this just has to be another tongue in cheek.
Spec your smarter than that. You may want to re-read my posts.
Labberry, now that was funny. Obviously it was tongue in cheek.
If not,that could be one of the most ignorant posts to date.
lol
GrimsonGT....well you've got yourself a REAL GEM here. But, I would bet that if you were educated and informed on how these patents were going to be utilized to generate revenue to justify a buyout, you'd be mortgaging your house!
Thanks for joining the board, you validated my points!
Good luck and buy up as much as you can!
Well obviously the markets (investors) aren't as well. How can they bid up the PPS if they haven't been made aware of the revenue potential.
But, what management has failed to do is educate how this technology can be implemented to GENERATE REVENUE. Again, the market hasn't reacted because they aren't able to put a price on it either.
Listen, to put it in proper perspective, when I recommended this stock to a number of friends, they weren't interested because the revenue potential isn't known.
Still not sure what is hard to understand?
You probably need to re-read my posts!
Oh brother! You just don't get it, do you?
WHY, wouldn't you like to see the PPS well over what the final aquisition price will be? Call me crazy, but that's exactly what ever current shareholder would love to see!! And you wouldn't.
This could be very well be the case if investors would more informed!
Ignorance is bliss!!
As previous stated: The company has failed to let the market (investors) dictate the PPS of their own stock, by neglecting to educate, inform and express the true potential of revenue (s) of their products (patents). PERIOD.
What is the gauge being used to calculate the value of these patents. THIS has not been express in anyway, that would indicate what the potential value could be. (In laymans terms, they have failed to motivate investors about what they would think the value to be.)
It's as simple as that. What is it that you don't seem to understand.
If this were done months ago, the PPS would be over a dollar. IMHO
CSJ....That wasn't the objective of my posts. Expressing my feelings and concerns.
If my post about neglecting to educate and inform potential investors (was heard and utilized) on the value of these patents and how an aquisition price is being determined, this stock would be in PLAY. BIG TIME!!
Management has failed to do so. Hence, one of the reasons, for the levels we're at.
And soon the O/S will increase another 36%!
The press releases and articles still have failed to educate and explain how REVENUE will be made from these patents to INVESTORS! (obviously except for the sale of the patents).
What is th template being used to derive at an aquisition price?
If this was expressed to potential investors, you know it might just increase the PPS.
Look, the company has failed to allow the market (investors) to dictate the true PPS of their own stock. This has occurred, by neglecting to educated, explain and reveal, the worth of their products (patents). In doing so, the market hasn't reacted, as expected.
What is the template being used to derive at an aquisition price. For example, what market segments are implementing or will have to implement these patents (technology)?
They have detailed the patents and their importance BUT, they haven't project how any sort of revenue can be derived from it. Either through licensing fee or worth to either all Voip companies or even telephone service providers.
Why haven't they informed potential investors that the Lawful Intercept technology will be implemented on all cell phones during face to face Voiping. (Or is this even true?) This is a perfect example. Because I am not even sure. Most of us, don't even know how, when or where revenue can be generated. And on top of this who are potential suitors? They don' have to give names, but market segments.
AND by all means, if any offer has been turned down, why hasn't this been (OR, why wouldn't it be) revealed to the shareholders, much less potential investors? Let the marketplace dictate the price per share!
Obviously I seem to be the only one outraged that if I stay in this to the end, my previous potential profit has been diluted by 68%, not to mention a possible 36% more with furher dilution.
If marketed properly, (and I mean by facts and I don't mean a pump) the PPS could appreciate to higher levels, than the final aquisition price per share. Because if your an existing shareholder, this is exacty what you would want.
But, if you wait until the bell rings, further dilution will deteriorate your potential profits.
Oh, by all means, please forward this post to Dennis, as well.
IMHO
Spec Investor, from the same friend who told me that they can always raise the outstndig & authorized shares....and reverse split and wipe out all the investors and issue shares to themselves!
But, a differet friend who told me four months ago, that if dilution were to occur, it wouldn't be anymore than twenty million!
Bad news usually travels in threes. The company has no allegiants to their shareholders. That evident!!
Stef07, that would be a tremendous return BUT, that is a very disrespectful response and answer. We stil got diluted as our investment is now not going to be worth what we all calculated.
But, what happens if they reverse split and issue themselves the authorized? Then what? Huh?
I have heard enough about "shorting" or the "Chill" or the cause of the recent 30% decline in the PPS. It's called DILUTION!
In case you haven't noticed on top of this page, management just diluted the value of our investment 68% with an additional 36% authorized!
So if your in this to the final aquisition price,(which most of us I believe are) when all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted, your multiple is now 586 million, not the prior 349 million, PLUS a possible additional 215 million in authorized shares on top of this. Do the math. This is a fact!
Management just reamed the current shareholders real good! If you can't see this, your either naive or have the same value system as they do.
Besides the obvious, one of the reasons I invested in VPLM, was based on the share structure. I was informed that there would be no more then about 6% further dilution, when the sale of the company is final. I simple don't care why this was done. As a shareholder, if I remain in this stock until it's sold, my investment would be worth at least 68% less. It's as simple as that.
If dilution needed to be done for whatever reason, it should of occurred back in January when the PPS was down around a penny or two. Not hinden behind the shareholders backs. Especially when it seems like good news is happening! How disrespectful and unethical is that. It simple speaks for it's self.
I was informed by someone, that don't be surprised if a reverse split occurs, with further dilution!! It is obvious management doesn't care about their shareholders value.
Whomever sent one of my prior posts to Dennis, please by all means, do so with this one.
Fromlowtohigh....although I am not an insider, I don't understand what you mean.
And who really cares, anyway? Really, it' a mute point.
My recent posts prety much sums up my thoughts! The "covering" will be those that sold Wednesday.
It's been made public since January, that they're selling, why in the freaking world would any shareholrs be selling now? (or at least, not be buying back)????
Those who recently sold, may very well miss the party. And this isn't my humble opinion, it's going to be fact.
If this is played out right, the PPS could very well be at a level higher than the aquisition offering. And, let me tell you, that is when it could be exciting. If a biddig war occurs, WOW! I won't be able to control myself! lol
No Sunny, their "shorts" will down around their ankles, when an announement is made. IMHO
Sunny....it'll be a different type of "covering" with this stock. The jokers who sold the other day, will be buying back in with their profits once any aquisition or RBR patent annoucement is made! IMHO LOL
If not, there is ONE thing that will always be hanging over their heads, and that is how much money their shares would be worth once an aquisition is announced or made! That's somethin I believe they forgot to think about. The PPS actually meaningless right now. Accumulate if you have the funds available. IMHO
Well, whom ever it came from, unless they're unaware of the potential, will be kicking themselves! IMHO.
If or once they realize the potential, they'll be buying back the shares at a lower price. (It's called Trading) AND as mentioned, this will continue to occur until an aquisition is announced. A lot of PPS swings, yet to come. The long this goes, the more times the pullbacks will happen.
If you have this many shares, why would you risk the upside? It just giving the shareholders more chances to ACCUMULATE. I for one, want to thank them! lol
It may backfire on them. Kind of like a short squeeze. Any RBR approval or aquisition talk announcement, could send them chasing the PPS. IMHO
CSJ...This is a normal occurance and it continue to happen as the PPS continues to appreciate. Over and over again. If we just look back when the PPS was in a penny or two, it happened after the run up to .035.
ACCUMULATE on dips.. IMHO
Sunny....doesn't make much sense, now does it? First of all, there are some of us investors that got in below a penny, that just may have wanted to take some profits? I for one, wasn't selling. And whom ever did, probably bought them back. Not very smart, if they didn't. I mean, it's not like the PPS wouldn't go back up, right?
Now, are you saying what was in the newsletter, was false?
You'll be saying this when we're trading over a dollar. Of course they'll be some profit taking! Lot's of it.
I first got in at$ .008 and sold at $ .012 and bought back again when it fell back. But, don't tell anyone, it's called trading.
The fact of the matter is that the Lawful Intercept is real. How Voip-Pal.com produces revenue, remains to be seen. Either through an aquisition or maintaining the patents and making everyone with face-to-face pay them. Either way, it's a win-win, for all the investors.
But, by all means, stick around and when we're back up, and it dips again, maybe the'll be others that will take advantage of the dips.
This is as expected. Thought it would have happened last week. Profit taken will happen on the climb upward. This will occur IMHO a number of times, as the PPS appreciates. My hand was on the trigger, just waiting for a nice dip, like today.
Too much support for it to go much furher down. Who ever sold, WILL BE KICKING THEMSELVES IN THE BUTT, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. Unless they bought back.
I am still not convinced that Kenactiv's numbers will be in wiyyh OPHI'S.
They appear to just own 98%. If not, why hasn't the symbol changes, like it did with Acumed?
IMHO, Management hasn't done much in respect to the shareholders.
Spec Investor you work too hard! You must have a ton of shares?
WOW great article!! Couldn't you have waite until, I bought a little more? lol
CSJ....there are so many waiting for a dip, it surely won't fall too far past that point. Heck, I may sell my bicycle in order to buy a few more shares.
Yeah, I guess those Grow Stacker sales are starting to pile up!! lol
Can you tell us a little about it?