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Securities "expert" would be of course just subjective and for interpretation but it doesn't matter. Again it's just the same old BS trying to smoke screen the real issues to go so much into the attorney and one liners. The best in the business hasn't been able to change these issues and documented historical numbers that I posted here. Those numbers are not getting better, they're getting worse.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72552347
This includes the "expert" securities attorney that was asked to represent small cap at the SEC Round Table and has been labeled by his peers, Best Lawyers in America each year since 2005, served on state Bars, and in several SEC and securities associations.
Again, the public hasn't been informed of all or what the attorney is doing and all or what completely he is "retained" for. Nor his expenses for that matter (but don't let a little thing like income and expenses get in the way) This constant advertising of his SEC "experience" without documentation of exactly what that "experience" was is getting old and like I stated, just a smoke screen for shell promo and the "leave it be" statement comes in play.
Most securities attorneys can put out a pretty good resume with positive job references etc, so what?
If one wants to get that list of clients and references that Mr. Rett has gotten DTC services back with and has gotten off the GREY MARKET, be my guest. Show that 40 years SEC "experience" that was just implied. I'll leave that to the ones who want to smoke screen real ANWM issues.
I stated "relatively new" as far as Task Forces and their direction. Not just with "relatively new", but actual "new" and "future" laws, regulations, procedures, tighter scrutiny, and so much more. There are some that really need to keep up and more current.
But, no matter, it's not going to change it, and simply trying to make "no big deal" or try to just say ANWM was just "hanging out" with a "bulk cluster" is not going to cut it and is just plain BS.
Most know what kind of group of "cluster" blank blank they were and ANWM is not any innocent "victim". The public was the patsy and victim with this shell. Making some lipstick and smearing it all over won't change that. Here's a suggestion, lets all (all as in the Public Market) take some responsibility and keep that "cheap little girl lipstick" "in check".
Tell me about it. We all can look forward to more fluff PR's and misleading statements from the company touting black gold, price quotes for the commodity or energy markets, and mislead by trying to make empty dot connections to them.
When one digs a little deeper and actually goes to confirm any of the BS coming from some promotional company hype with valid and legal authorities, then one only runs into irresponsible and criminal behaviors, bad business practices, and falling way short of anything that was implied by the company promo. With that search for the real truth and confirmation, one can dig up previous track records that are corrupt, immoral, and simply appalling.
Such as it is with BNPD, BNPDD, or txom (the last supposed letters), tomi (like there is so much in whatever letters a symbol is. Other than good for slimy shells and insiders to hide past dirty laundry that really never goes away, but can be hidden from the immediate view that so many don't bother to go past.).
Note: the last P&D can be searched under TXOM which was the last letters that BNPD was supposed to recieve with a few toxm, turdi (just because the letters given are such a joke). As far as the next company promo, I submit that it won't be quite as well recieved having burned so many previously.
Well after extensive analysis, that all the bottom line was left with. It is what it is no matter how much lipstick one wants to put on it. LOL
We also know there is NO "strong". There are no assets except what one can hopefully sell for in a iliquid market of bubbling goo. Any "assets" have to be proven with FINANCIALS. There will be no 5 years worth of financials coming from this POS. So all of that and anything to any ANWM promo garbage is exactly what it is, a bunch of bs.
It's the GREY MARKET!!!!! With a SEC and DTC hammered shell. There is no "strong" whats so ever. There is no flipping "trend" (literally). No chart is worth a pile of beans in the GREY MARKET period. I'd much rather have the pile of beans. They are worth astronomically more and at least worth a meal.
Historically and for the overall majority of all the normal joe/jane traders and "investors", the RS and reorganizations for all the pinks like BNPD, BNPDD are not anything positive. Just filled with detrimental results and even more substantial losses for that cycle of "rinse and repeat". I sure wouldn't put hopes for this one to beat the colossal odds against it.
That sure says a lot when any paid stock promoter in the business of getting paid by pink "companies", takes being paid by or working for BNPD, BNPDD, toxm, tomi, turdi (or third, fourth parties, etc) as an "allegation" and "personal attack". LOL Pretty negative aspect to this "company".
sorry good pastor phil that you took that as an allegation. i was simply asking a question of an irp who suddenly started posting. after all, you are a stock promoter and as such you are available for those types of questions.
Thanks for that, I was just looking through for the Public Information and not just some posts promoting this GREY MARKET, SEC nailed, DTC Chilled stock where the attorney was "retained".
Stocks "retain" attorneys for the simplest of tasks like a "attorney letter" which is on the list of things that any attorney basically can do while in the bathroom.
"Retaining" an attorney and paying them to do some paperwork or simply "retaining" them is not saying much at all. Along with that, the more the one liner "past SEC attorney" is touted, the more one has to look and question why such promo on that one thing.
All sorts of things could be brought into question. Was this "experience" with all the time before Madoff and the SEC? That could definitely bring a debate. It definitely was before the relatively new SEC Task Forces that nailed ANWM were. How much time was he there? What did he do or what was he responsible for at the SEC (IE: what exactly was the "experience" with)? Was he just a very low level person with a law degree at the time? There has been hundreds of SEC attorneys that have done nothing but low level work for the SEC (maybe even did their job well), but it was no experience to be getting a SEC nailed ticker off of the DTC restrictions. There is all sorts of questions that could come into play with this "SEC line".
Again, nothing necessarily against any attorney, but is being used for another smoke screen from attention to all the problem issues at hand for ANWM.
"Boardmarks increasing to warn others of pump and dump in progress.
Investors and Promoters Beware..."
You got that right. "Boardmarks" for IGSM are not always positive. Many just look to observe the wreck and keep attention on dubious promotions and bad "company" behaviors. That definitely doesn't mean the IGSM "mark" is for investing or trading in the stock.
MXXH isn't even legally able to do that and would be in violation of State and Federal laws to be doing it (which is common for these scammy shells). MXXH isn't even a legal entity in the State of Texas, no such company. They aren't even a valid business in the State of Delaware and are in heavy debt to that state.
Gouger is putting his attention and money on his other shell BNPD, BNPDD, in which the process of RS is going on there with no real operations, no profitable oil wells for the "25% working interest" that shareholders are "waiting for", and only able to "hold onto" because there is no market there at this point either (IE: no option or choice but to be "holding onto"). A lot of shares that aren't even freed up yet at the Brokers.
Years and years and years of being non-operational, no income, no capitol, no equity, no nothing but taking peoples money for nothing in return.
Scrutiny by the DTCC, SEC, FINRA, etc are increasing dramatically and at a pretty good rate for scammy shells such as this one. Several new Task Forces and divisions within the regulatory bodies that are increasing their process with these shells. That puts more pressure on a scammy shell like this one to be in any spotlight and give any "run". So there is a lot of doubt if that will ever happen now.
This shell has nothing but reasons to NOT promote the irresponsible and criminal behaviors and horrific business practices that are associated with MXXH.
The rest? That really looks like a lot of public with this obvious FACT and documented truth. The lack of buying any "cheapies" and the fact that shareholders are upside down on their entry point with the shares which has not enough interest in the stock. All current shareholders can do is look and have no ability to get any worth out of the shares.
The market seems to know the truth and that is the only thing that controls the pps and ability to sell any "investment" or trade for a profit.
This is the "rest" of anyone whether they want to accept the truth or not. (absolutely ZERO volume for the last two trading days)
Now everyone that is stuck with this shell scheme is hoping for another fluff "PR" so that it can muster up some "trading" action. Whether that can be done or will be done is in doubt. But even if some "trading" action can be had, it still won't change the DOCUMENTED FACTS from all the valid authoritative sources.
Even if Gouger miraculously after 14 months of nothing of even trying to start any drilling, finally comes about, there is the State of Texas to confirm any amounts of oil and record any real production and any real analysis would have to be done after all the expense of drilling is done and "proration" amounts would be set by the State of Texas.
There are many wells just a few hundred feet (or less) from another producing well that do absolutely nothing in any given reserve. Just because there is oil around someplace, doesn't at all secure any profitable well being dug into the same reaserves.
That's why there is a State Regulatory entity setting "proration" amounts and keeping record of any and all wells in a particular reserve. They also have all sorts of regulations and state requirements that go along with the ones doing any oil business with violations being given to those who do not abide by them (like Gouger and his company Tejones receives all the time). Those records are available to the general Public just so that scams like this one can be verified.
The "truth" and FACTS are that this company and shell is in massive debt, has had no operations, no profit, no financials, no capitol, and no real "trading". The company and its "management" has only scammed "investors" and now has been reduced to a illiquid stock and ticker.
It's not funny, no joking matter, and not any kids games about a so called Public Company taking public money and just being in the share selling business with no real business. It's real peoples money and is irresponsible to have bad business behavior in the market place.
This is all documented as history and FACT.
And reading posts of course can be taken to confirming with actual "Authorities" and with that process being the best way to handle confusion of MXXH "responsibilities" or "lack there of". LOL
I would suggest anyone to confirm with any legal and "valid" sources for any decisions regarding MXXH. That process is really not that much time to do. It easily can be settled then and of course will be with all questions of all the problems with MXXH and its "management" with the lack of doing its "responsibilities".
I really had to scratch my head with the post you were responding to. LOL
BEHL has been nothing but a cruel joke. Some of the anniversaries have come and gone.
Business closing the doors and just leaving rents unpaid and the place not even cleaned up.
No business reorganization for the ticker symbol at any state.
Promoters and insiders proven to be crooks and shut down by the authorities.
DTC ineligibility almost a year
NO BID and .0001 (and below pps)
Lack of liquidity
And more
The CUSIP is more than likely going to be junked at some point and in reality is just junk now. The shell is so debt ridden and full of problems that no one wants to touch it.
Tom Gouger (BOD for MXXH and President and CEO for BNPD, BNPDD, tomi) and his oil and gas operating company, Tejones, declares that he is in the business of exploration, drilling, and oil extraction and declares that he has the equipment, experience, and the ability to regularly do drilling business.
Those claims are not indicative to waiting over a year for getting any headway for drilling any well, let alone for a company that he has a input in running and has gotten paid $200,000 in a sweet deal worth of shares to do it almost 14 months ago.
According to the State of Texas, he has not been doing any other drilling or much business with oil, so one has to wonder what reasons for this "delay". The "delay" now that it has been over a year with no operations for any well drilling, and around 5 years for no operations, capitol, income, or "drilling" for MXXH shell, has literally gone from "delay" to just didn't get it done.
And interesting post last year with some of the same issues that is really indicative to Gougers or MXXH "well drilling".
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=65032157
Just some FACTS to add to the already burdened company owing almost a Third of a MILLION dollars in back taxes, with no income, no operations, no capitol, no cash, no financials.
Here's some real facts. After the P&D and lack of any income, lack of operations, financials, and just more company horrific business behavior, the stock is just lost any liquidity and will be only worth what the market has decided as a result from it. Even trading has come to a halt and prognosis isn't good for this stock.
Facts are that the Public market has decided that no matter how "cheap" this stock is, they are not interested. That's the bottom line and no amount of "activity" from discussion about the company is going to help that. What it will do is bring more attention to the lack of any reputable business coming from MXXH and the issue of the ticker scamming the Public with all their dubious behavior.
I personally look forward to that. Even though awareness to the company and shell's old tricks is obviously prevalent (dictated by the lack of liquidity and interest), it won't hurt to what a sham this company is have even more attention. That's good for the DTCC, SEC, and any other market authorities "spotlight" also.
P&D aren't anything fun for "investors" that hang in there expecting the company to come through with at least something that the company BS about in the PR's. The ones who the company picks the pockets and hangs them on with ridiculous fantasy stories like there's no rigs available in over a year. What a sad joke.
Neither is it fun and games for the Public to have a dirty shell company as this one is. Never to have any real equity, operations, financials, or income. Just a bunch of debt and muck and more ridiculous "future looking statements" from the company to look forward to.
But here is all the money that is "being made" at this point. Really the lack of it and MXXH investors don't have a choice but to sit and look at a dead investment. (ZERO volume for 2/23/12 & 2/24/12)
The company and insiders must be "chuckling" all the way to the bank with scammed investors money. But I'm sure the insiders or "management" will be glad to take more.
Here is the link to the one of the latest reports regarding oil production of BNPD, BNPDD wells. There has been only 50 BBL pumped since the last report Oct 2011.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=70979937
"although its pretty hard to acquire debt with a non operational company"
That doesn't seem to be a problem in so many cases. Non operating shells seem to acquire toxic debt all the time. Convertible notes, loans, etc just seem to pop up out of thin air, even when there is no business.
Another issue, the longer a shell goes without actual dilution without any income or real operations, the greater the odds and probabilities are that it will happen. So it's kind of ironic when the promo is shouting "no dilution here", it's easily not a positive. Especially when there is no capitol or funds to create yet another "business" from the shell. The very basic reasons to be a Public Company is to sell shares out into the open market.
Mining is expensive and many gold and mineral operations just fail, never to make a profit for the normal shareholder. So are promotional tactics and operations. That process can become very dilutive and costly to the pps.
Not many know who is holding on to what when it comes to toxicity and future dilution. It's very probable that the SEC and DTC put a damper on that process when it did. No transparency here, which leads one to believe that they don't want anyone to know, due to it would be detrimental to the "company's" ability to sell the Public.
"I agree, but they are running out of 'little guys' to pass the buck too."
You got that right. Getting to be slimmer and slimmer pickings. There just isn't an endless supply like some "big guys" seem to believe.
Oh there were updates, just not from BNPD, BNPDD, toxm, tomi, turdi. They were documents from the State of Texas showing that the amount of oil and "reworking" of the wells fluffed about were only dying, or already dead stripper wells that were already determined by State of Texas to have lack of viability. The State showing that the wells would be unable to ever get anything but some dribbles of oil that wasn't enough to cover any cost of getting it. In fact, would be a violation of State laws to get any real amount out of them even if Gouger could, due to proration amounts set by the State.
The same wells of "working interest" that Gouger had for years and knew full well that they could never produce. In fact is in violation of Texas Law with one of them at this time (which is nothing new for Tejones or Gouger). As stated, just a bunch of BS lies.
Now this stock suffering from a RS and in all probability in the process of having a paid promoter and more fluff and bs coming down the track. The stock being down about 98% since the last P&D.
Will it trade for a short term after the "D" comes off? Maybe, but there will be lots of competition from company insiders and probably promotional expense that is going to get in the way of the normal joe/jane making much. Any longer term beyond a couple of diminishing bounces from the desecration of the RS, is highly doubtful.
By "agreement" do you mean that there is increasing liability for all brokers taking place for problem tickers and those liabilities are going to be passed down to shareholders? That definitely what is in the process of happening.
I need to provide someone with a dirty shell? Really? They aren't hard to find. It's pretty hard to miss them.
We are in discussion with this one.
Ok, where are the financials pointing to that there are no problems with financing, debt, etc, etc. ITS ON THE GARBAGE GREY MARKET!!! There is nothing but bubbling goo with trying to talk about pps, volume, etc. It has total problems with liquidity, filled with wash trading, erratic behaviors, and just garbage tickers. It doesn't matter what price, if the normal public can't trade the majority of shares, it's a problem, and no reason to invest or trade it.
I have my facts straight, the company needs to get theirs in order. The shell and any Public company are the ones who are responsible to show that their facts are straight. They are the ones that are asking for public money. That's where the last five years of audited books are needed. This "accumulation" and "the company or third parties aren't dumping" bs has been around the block so many times with nothing but heartache for shareholders.
Well "dumping" is being a little hard right now. THE TICKER IS ON THE GREY MARKET. How much more obvious and clear can it be?
No, I am talking 50%, 65% and this 75%. Means nothing other than possibilities of even more abuse by "management". It also gives more options for toxic financing. The DTC has restricted this ticker and CUSIP beyond and separately from what the SEC has done. And is still doing it. That's not a "bookend" and to insinuate by any means that it "isn't any big deal" and "no problem" is a fallacy. Unless one wants to describe a "bookend" as the END to the stock and it's cooked books.
Again, how has reducing the AS by any amount given value to each share of stock that someone own's. It hasn't, and a good possibility that it will just incur falling pps in the future.
The DTC is not following the pink sheets/otc for their risk assessment for "risk tolerance". The DTCC knows full well how invalid those "tier" changes are with the lack of proper accuracy in that group.
Where are the financials? Those are needed for public opinion. That public opinion has everything to do with worth of any "company". It also has to do with FINRA, SEC, and DTCC's opinion (which are not random). Financials (all of them) are disclosure and should be used for transparency. So lets have them instead of just some garbage AS reduction bs.
Sorry, no one should be ignoring the man (including all men or women) behind the curtain here. What really are the issues and lets take a look at them with audited financials. That way the public can see if anyone is really taking care of all of those problem issues in the best interest of any shareholders or public opinion.
Liability is a big issue and will be even greater issue in months ahead. Risk assessment has to be taken into view when dealing with these dirty pinks like ANWM. More brokers will be following with limiting these DTC chilled stocks where now Brokers have to take liabilities that the DTCC once did. Fees and other costs are increasing that will be passed down to shareholders one way or another at some point in time. That's only common sense. There is a trend change taking place in the dirty shell business.
The Brokers business is to make money on the transactions, limit their expenses, and try to limit their liability. The direction that it's taking is to get rid of business (or charge more for it) that has high liability issues.
One self clearing broker that will trade a particular stock now, may very well not in the future, or increase fees and costs so much that the particular stock is not feasible to mess with for investors or traders.
I know, I had to check my compass and thought maybe the earths axis reversed. But no, the darn thing was really pointing South. Overall CRWV is going South at a pretty good slope.
Maybe no one was supposed to really look at the chart. LOL
I've heard a lot of things about BNPDD, BNPD, turdi, toxm, tomi and Gouger. Lot of negatives and lack of any oil or any profits for shareholders. Also backed up documents of all the LACK of oil and "bigger" and "bigger" violations with the State of Texas. The big State of Texas isn't to impressed with this thing. LOL
TDA is a self clearing broker. Also changes are coming for brokers that currently are self clearing. All traders and investors alike need to pay attention. Also, there is still talk about TDA combining with ETrade. Been talk about that for years, but there has been renewed interest and still may happen.
New Charges; Video and Discussion of Illiquid Stocks
http://www.americanbanker.com/people/etrade-frank-petrilli-chairman-merger-chatter-1046182-1.html
ANWM has been chilled by the DTC since June 16 of last year and kicked out of the CNS system. Designating it for "trade for trade". This happened shortly after the SEC put them on Suspension and before the CUSIP could be Reinstated to the Grey Market. Now that's where the CUSIP is stuck with.
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/A7226.pdf
For the most part, that's a very hard position to come out of. It leaves much less ability to trade and effects any future financing. Much of the liquidity has been damaged goods and will be limited to self clearing Brokers that all have their own criteria and in house risk assessments (which will be changing negatively for shareholders in the future). Generally TDA, for example will let one exit the position, but not take on new positions (sell but not buy).
There has been a few tickers that have managed to get around that by reorganization, changing the ticker symbol and CUSIP. Of course the ones who have done that, the shareholders have experienced an RS (or series of them), followed by negative pps and losses to the "investment". Of course toxic convertibles and note holders, insiders, etc still made out pretty good.
Now the DTCC (and subsidiaries like the DTC for example) are closing that loophole and giving a lot of resistance to that procedure. They are now coming in and Chilling both the old and new CUSIP. It will be interesting how legal counsel for ANWM will be handling all the new scrutiny, restrictions, and costs coming in the future and increasing hoops to jump through.
Now many that watch these things (including myself), believe that most of the problems to why the DTC chills or locks a stock is found in the companies financing, toxic debt, and improper issuance of stock. These issues are very probable in ANWM's case.
We don't have any audited financials to look at over the years that led to the SEC and DTC hammer, but we do know there has been problems. For example; previous P&D's, past CEO being charged and convicted with others for Securities Fraud, scheme to manipulate the price and trading volume through false and misleading public disclosures, and issue and sell stock in an unregistered distribution.
What exactly has all this shell been through is very questionable to say the least. But any and all of those issues will come with the shell and needs to be addressed. In reality, there should be no trading until the issues have been resolved. The SEC and DTC has limited it by putting the ticker down in the Grey Market and restricted DTC services and not allowing it to go through the CNS (Continuous Net Settlement), so that is where it's at.
A better place for lots of info with "chilly" stocks and where ANWM is listed is;
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=23867
There, many questions can be answered and asked, or input with the DTCC issues.
Where are the financials showing that! There has been no financing in years and years and no debt in years and years? suuuuure. No share selling by the "company", insiders, or third parties in the years of lacking operations or business with this shell? Right, and I have some swamp land to sell that's just perfect for believers of that one. Again if there is business, there are financials showing it. PR's are not a record.
And supposedly this is a "startup" company now and all the risks apply. But still need financials (audited would be best) to show the history of the shell. Because all the dirty laundry will be part of any "new" name. Or is it that they are just can go out and pick up gold nuggets of the ground without financing and debt? Laughable.
And why wont the DTC allow it to go through the CNS system and are denying it's services. Why did the SEC come down on the shell? It's been pretty obvious that DTC Chills on "companies" have occurred with debt notes and share issuance problems.
Yes, I can see the SEC and DTC stopped some people from dumping. The chart shows that clearly. Right as it was starting to topple and crash downward again, bam, the SEC puts the ticker on the GREY SHEETS.
Now a attorney is going to work for free I presume. No debt there accruing. Now before someone comes in and tries to say whatever and this shell is just peachy and in great position with funding, debt, abilities. Point to the financials! Whoops, those have been hidden and not done for anyone that might want to look at what's going on with it.
All anyone gets now is; don't look at anything like business structure, income and expense, balance sheets, just look at this smoke and mirrors over here with "oh they reduced the AS" and promotion of a GREY MARKET ticker with no business or operations.
Reducing the A/S has not helped the pps or shareholders of other pink POS that did the similar thing, how will it help this one? This shell is obviously got problems or it wouldn't of been nailed by the SEC and DTC. That is a fact.
This might explain reasons why the DTC Chill for RFMK.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72480379
The statement that I was responding to was describing the day and "trading". The small amount of numbers were only calculations taken from the actual record and were documented. It's really hard to have any opinion to trading with such small numbers. But if anyone wants to have an opinion about trading such small CRWV numbers, good luck with it. There were a whole 25 trades there to pick from with very little room to do it profitably. Those are the documented facts and calculations.
Now if one wants to discuss "opinions" of long term, then a whole lot of factors and documented facts (or in this gold claim, the lack of them) are to be looked at with some reasonability and intelligence. That way one can look at the overall history, trend, and track record of the stock (which are all factually negative), and things like erroneous financials, verification of the companies claims, etc, etc. That way one can extrapolate some reasonable odds of future "investment" and some intelligent opinion of any long term profitability.
Blind belief, hope, luck, wishing, should not be part of the analytical and cognitive process of forming an opinion of CRWV. It may however enlist some "one day math techniques", but so much more. The odds of problems with liquidity in the long term, the DTC "chill" factor, future regulations and costs of exiting the position in the future may also come to play for examples. Again all negative factors with CRWV.
"Just opinions" yes, but are needed when investing in stocks like CRWV. Good luck with yours.
Again, what's that "reduction" do for any shareholders. It hasn't done anything but negative for other tickers that have done similar reductions. The whole thing is problematic and doesn't stop the "management" from problems with more toxic debt, dilution, and irresponsible behavior and is found that those problems get worse with actions such as this kind of reduction.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72307256
The concern here is what is the business, what is the plan, who is the business, what will be the financing, etc and etc. Just where is the GOLD mine. LOL The reduction of AS is only a smoke screen here and is worthless when there is so many other things lacking and/or completely non existent.
How about some transparency, and explaining why the shell and its insiders were nailed by the SEC and DTC. And lets skip the "boilerplate" and "it wasn't this company" bs.
This shell has done nothing for years and years and only survived on MOMO and company promotion by a few and nothing proven or substantial. No financials, no real business. That's why the SEC and DTC came in and put the hammer down.
Oh by the way, the pink sheets update to a some higher tier is also not a feat worth mentioning. That place has no standard or accuracy confirmation and only puts out what the "companies" tell them with no real checking at all. It really shouldn't be too much of a feat to just get the little black symbol off. About as good as some fluff PR.
Here is an idea. How about some audited financials (not just the same regurgitated line of they're going to do it). Missing about five years worth. Startup company or not, all the old laundry is attached to the shell and comes with it for any shareholders.
Or have a look at all of these. Time is not on ATTDs side. TDA says one can sell only, some brokers one can't afford to trade them at all, and for the other brokers that will at this time, may easily not in the future.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72377540
Wanted to post this over here due to has possible reasons for a "chilly" stock and is an example of one stock that recently was put on the trade for trade restriction. Also the fact that Tom Allinder declares that he has "unique knowledge of what is going on at the DTC" and special abilities to remove DTC "chills". Declarations which are in doubt and still remaining to be seen.
Shout of thanks to "nodummy" for the report.
It's really not the matter of much thinking. All one has to do is get out a calculator and push some buttons. There was ONLY some minimal volume, not much to talk about, but easy to push buttons on a calculator with.
There was about 1.8 million shares traded. With 25 trades all day. That's only 25 trades to be split up between all the great interest and supporting public. With the average price for which they traded and the average dollar amount of each trade it came possibly to about $20-30 profit if it was a profit, maybe (not all would be sold for a profit that's for sure and only limited to ones who might of got some for the lows). That's $20-30 to take trade fees and taxes out of (and time away from a more viable trading market).
Of course that is talking about regular joe/jane CRWV traders and not the insiders or company individuals that get the shares for nothing and doesn't include any wash trading that occurs on a regular basis. If one puts those factors in, the numbers really get low (like they aren't already).
Quite obvious by the small numbers that it isn't anything close to "decent" and why there needs to be a lot more volume and over 10 million shares traded daily for a .00xx stock like CRWV to have any trading worth discussing. This kind of liquidity that CRWV had today is total junk.
"Still trading decently considering what some may think."
Have a good one.
A lot of these promoters, insiders, management, shell brokers, lawyers, etc travel around in the same pack and more than likely do call each other up and consult and join forces and do the same type of business with the same results for shareholders. I'm sure of it. You just have too many of the same people being officers of the companies like MXXH, BNPDD, and BMKR using the same promoters, lawyers, etc. And in this case the same type of business with the same oil operating company that the Private company owner is in both MXXH and BNPDD. Both with no oil, no profits, no operations even starting to get close to anything they PR'd.
My note wasn't discussing the writer, but to the history of MXXH which is a correct one. Is there a different one? The writer may be whoever, but is the information about MXXH shell generally correct? If there is some other information that someone might have regarding this shell or other involved shells, I'd be glad to see it.
When one buys a business, it is the responsibilities of the person buying that business to know everything about it and not turn a blind eye to what is high probability that they know about it.
That is part of a respectable business transaction. The owner of these business must be reliable enough to be in the standards of a Public Company. They aren't buying a Private business where only their money is at stake, they are asking for Public money and is fully responsible and can't backtrack to something like "oh, we didn't know". Hogwash. Dirty shell owners and brokers of dirty shell owners for the most part just sell to more dirty shell owners that know full well what they are doing and just reaping in the rewards of most don't get caught.
That is what has gone on with these companies in question here.
There probably would have to be a clarification of "management". There are always common "insiders" that hide behind the scenes and do the "managing" of money, and then there are the names that we know that are called the CEO, CFO, President etc. Sometimes they are the same people being both, the real controlling interest, and actually have the official title.
Tom Gouger is listed as CEO and President at BNPDD, and BOD here at MXXH, Catherine Thompson is listed as Interim CEO, Secretary, CFO at MXXH and CFO over at BMRK (as she started over here at MXXH) Tom Gouger owns and operates the operating company that is supposed to be drilling the well for MXXH, and is the oil operating company for the "working interest" dud wells over at BNPDD and gets paid again for those services from both MXXH and BNPDD even though he's doing nothing for the money involved from shareholders. Tejones (Gougers operating company is private and holds no profits or funds for the Public companies and just gets to keep the cake and eat it too)
The SEC and DTCC are going through and slowly "cleaning up" some of these garbage "companies" and tickers like these companies mentioned and will be getting tougher still in the future. This is being followed by the Brokers and TA's. Not fast enough, but at least there is something being done. It's getting out of hand taking "investors" monies and doing nothing in return with any REAL business like MXXH, BNPD, BNPDD, tomi, BMRK.
The only real ones making anything are the "management" and promoters. It really is time to change the environment, put a stop to these people, and kick them to the curb on their bum (this involves responsibilities from the "investing" and even the trading market in which these "criminals" IMO thrive). Either these slimy "companies" and shells like the ones here in this discussion straighten out or get out of the Public market.
Just a note in-between here.
This is the history of this shell up to and including time with Cathrine Thompson and then there has been nothing but continuance of the same since then. They have not been a legal entity for which the state that they are registered in and are in violation there. This is not the correct way to do reputable business and run a public company that is supposed to be selling a real business.
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VINOBLE, INC. (OTCBB: VNBL) - TRICK OR TREAT IN THIS TREASURE CHEST?
Investigative Reports
October 23 2005
The allure of "treasure" has fascinated explorers, poets, pirates, and yes, investors. Admit it. We all are intrigued by the prospect of a valuable discovery. But value can be in the eye of the beholder - or to put it in a seasonal context, we do not always know whether we are getting a trick or a treat.
We offer these thoughts after receiving a series of spam e-mails purporting to profile a tiny company called Vinoble, Inc. (Pink Sheets: VNBL). Of course, as generally is the case with such e-mails, the profile came from an anonymous promoter who placed a decidedly positive, unbalanced spin on Vinoble's prospects.
The e-mails claim that Vinoble is involved in "the Red Hot homeland security sector…and the Oil/Energy Industry" – a combination of code words that are red meat to investors these days. That succinct description, however, does not accurately or fully describe the current state of the Company's operations. Nor does it convey the dire state of the Company's finances. Vinoble, which has no revenues, had $38 in its bank account at the end of June 2005, and losses of more than $9.3 million in the first six months of 2005.
Still, the promoter – who failed to mention Vinoble's shaky financial state - called the Company a "small treasure." Small, certainly, but the value of this treasure is questionable – except perhaps to the promoter, who was paid $10,000 to extol the Company's virtues.
We think investors are entitled to a more balanced view.
The Erly Bird Catches the Worm
Since becoming public in the 1980s, the company now called Vinoble has changed identities more often than Sydney Bristow. As Erly Industries, Inc., the Company was engaged in the manufacture and processing of rice for several decades. But Erly Industries fell on hard times and filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in September 1998. It emerged from bankruptcy in August 1998 and articulated a new business plan – to acquire operations, merge or begin its own start-up business.
In March 2000, the Company agreed to transfer control to Hudson Consulting Group, Inc., a subsidiary of Axia Group, Inc. Hudson Consulting, located in Salt Lake City, Utah, was controlled by an individual named Richard Surber, who became the Company's sole director in November 2000.
StockPatrol.com readers already are familiar with Richard Surber because of his activities as controlling shareholder of Dark Dynamite, Inc. (OTCBB: DRKD). See, Dark Dynamite, Inc. – Dancing in the Dark. Surber has long been a distinctive presence in the world of undercapitalized, obscure penny stock companies. On June 8, 2004, the Securities and Exchange Commission instituted an Administrative Proceeding seeking to suspend or revoke the registrations of fourteen small public companies associated with Surber because of their failure to file required public reports. Surber had been instrumental in registering six of the companies named in the Administrative Proceeding with the SEC, incorporated another, provided financial or merger consulting advice to six others, and allowed one company to use his office as its contact address.
The SEC's complaint in that proceeding described Surber as a shell company promoter whose "consulting business," consisted of taking private concerns public through reverse-mergers with public shell companies. According to the SEC, Surber acquired control of the shells, received cash fees ranging from $100,000 to $350,000, and was handed two or three percent stock ownership, in exchange for putting together the reverse-merger transaction.
In the case of Erly Industries, Surber's shareholdings (through his association with Hudson Consulting) were far more substantial. Other aspects of the transaction, however, were consistent with SEC's characterization of the traditional Surber deal – the reverse-merger of a public shell, in this case Erly Industries, with a private company. On January 24, 2001, Erly Industries merged with Torchmail Communications Inc., a Delaware corporation. The surviving public company, now called Torchmail Communications, remained under the control of Surber and his companies – Hudson Consulting and Wasatch Capital Corporation. According to Torchmail's Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2002, Surber was the beneficial owner of more than 78% of the Company's outstanding common shares.
Although it had a new name, the Company still did not have any business or business plan. That would change in October 2002, when the Company underwent another reverse-merger, this time with a Nevada corporation called Virtual Interviews, Inc. The surviving Company, which would soon be known as Ohana Enterprises, Inc., planned to provide human resources services on an outsourcing basis. According to its public reports, the Company's principal service would be the "Virtual Interview," designed to facilitate screening of potential job candidates
As part of the consideration for the acquisition, the former shareholders of Virtual Interviews purchased shares of Torchmail from Hudson Consulting. In an odd twist, the Company agreed to assume $200,000 of debt owed by the former Virtual Interviews shareholders to Hudson Consulting as payment for the shares. In other words, the Company was funding its own acquisition.
That was not the end of the story. In January 2003, the Company notified Hudson Consulting that it intended to offset the $200,000 payment because of misrepresentations made by Hudson Consulting in the Purchase Agreement. The litigation eventually was settled, with the Company agreeing to pay $117,000 to Surber's Hudson Consulting.
The dispute with Surber's company appears to have been the least of Ohana's problems. After the reverse-merger, Gerard Nolan, one of the former Visual Interviews shareholders, was named as CEO, President and director of Ohana. Less than one year later he was relieved of his responsibilities as a corporate officer, and soon resigned as a director. The Company subsequently sued Nolan, alleging breach of fiduciary duty, fraud, deceit and conversion. The action was settled, with Nolan agreeing to surrender 810,000 shares of Ohana common stock that had been issued to him and registered pursuant to a Registration Statement on Form S-8.
Ohana had another concern. It was out of money. As of June 30, 2003, the Company had no cash and no revenues. In October 2003, the Company was forced to suspend development of its Visual Interviews technology and all products.
Once again, Ohana was in search of a business.
April Fools and Other Follies
After Nolan departed, Catherine Thompson, who already was the Company's Chief Financial Officer, became its acting CEO as well, a position she continues to occupy today, having survived a series of transitory management changes. Her immediate mission seemed clear; find a business to acquire.
On April 1, 2004, the Company agreed to another reverse-merger, the acquisition of an entity called RestauranTech from Interactive Ideas Consulting Group, on terms that effectively transferred control to the incoming group. As part of that deal, Ohana appointed a new CEO and President, Brett Martin, and a Chief Operating Officer, Neal Weissman. The two men also were named to the Board of Directors, and each was given almost 4 million shares of Ohana common stock.
Although the Company insisted that this transaction was concluded only "after an extensive review and consideration of available opportunities," the deal suddenly went sour because of "certain differences in strategic direction for the organization and other issues." Less than two months later, on May 27, 2004, the transaction was cancelled and Martin and Weisman resigned as Directors – although they held on to their common stock (most of which was registered on a Form S-8 Registration Statement filed by the Company in June 2004).
That left the Company back at the starting gate, and doing what it seemed to do best – handing control to another new group. On September 14, 2004, the Company entered into a Stock Purchase Agreement with a Nevada corporation called GarcyCo Capital Corp. Under that agreement, Ohana agreed to issue at least 2 million shares of its common stock to GarcyCo Capital in exchange for $500,000 in cash, payable in installments. The number of shares issued to GarcyCo Capital could increase based upon the value of Ohana stock when each installment payment came due.
What was Garcyco Capital? Did it have a track record, and the resources to lift Ohana from its somnolent state? Although the Stock Purchase Agreement was dated September 14, 2004, the records of the Nevada Secretary of State indicate that GarcyCo Capital was incorporated one day later, on September 15, 2004. So much for the track record. But what about George Garcy, who signed the Stock Purchase Agreement as President of Garcyco? Again, the Nevada records offer more questions than answers. They indicate that Garcyco Capital has been in default since October 1, 2005, and identify Justin Moore of Las Vegas, Nevada as GarcyCo Capital's President and Secretary and Joseph Lively of New York City as its Treasurer. Mr. Garcy is not presently listed as an officer of the company that apparently bears his name. Lively later became CEO of Ohana – albeit only briefly.
On the other hand, Mr. Garcy is identified by the records of the Nevada Secretary of State as the sole officer of GarcyCo, a company that was formed on May 17, 2000, and whose corporate status was revoked on June 1, 2002.
With the introduction of GarcyCo Capital, the Company expressed hope that it was now poised to find a suitable acquisition candidate. Subsequent events suggest that while candidates have been plentiful, consummated acquisitions – and clear direction - are quite a different matter.
December 29 Is Time To Sign
All of the name and management changes had done nothing to materially improve the Company's financial picture following the bankruptcy. As of June 30, 2004, Ohana had no cash and no revenues. Three months later the Company had $8 in its bank account – and still had zero revenues.
The revenue picture could not improve until the Company developed or acquired an operating business. The Company's Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2004, which was filed on October 14, 2004, offered a glimmer of hope for the future. It claimed that the Company already was pursuing the first potential acquisition of its Garcyco Capital era. According to the Form 10-K, Ohana was evaluating the purchase of a "31 year old California business valued at approximately $10 million." Although the Company claimed that the California entity was a "leader in a niche market," it did not identify the target, the industry, or the terms of the transaction. It did offer a few clues, revealing that the due diligence process, which would take four or five months, would include "building inspections" and "inventory testing." Still, this was hardly enough information to satisfy even a marginally inquisitive investor.
Had the Company determined to enter a specific industry? Was there now a business plan in place? The Form 10-K provided no details and there is no sign the transaction was completed. A few days after the Form 10-K was filed, however, Ohana filed a Preliminary Form 14C Information Statement indicating plans to change its name to Vinoble, Inc to "better reflect…our new business purpose." What was that "business purpose?" The Information Statement, like the Form 10-K, did not say."
A Final Form 14C Information Statement was filed on October 28, 2004, changing the Company's name to Vinoble and implementing a one for five hundred reverse-split of the common shares.
The Company's new business plan appeared to take shape when it entered into a series of related agreements on December 29, 2004. A Form 8-K filed on January 4, 2005 revealed that Vinoble had entered a Memorandum of Understanding to acquire MSI, a security firm located in Stony Brook, New York. According to the Form 8-K, MSI had been in business for almost thirty years, providing uniform security guards and protective services to clients, including the Estee Lauder family. Vinoble stated that it would move the MSI operations to Baldwin, New York as part of an overall strategy to merge several businesses into a newly formed Nevada corporation to be called Secure Enterprise Solutions Physical Security Group, Inc. The Company promised that its new security business would operate from offices in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Toronto, and Las Vegas.
The Form 8-K also disclosed that MCI would share office space in Baldwin, New York with Millennium Protective Services, a "premier security guard service company" which possesses a "Class 2 Homeland Security Rating." Vinoble said that Millennium would become the managing agent for the contemplated SES guard service in the New York metropolitan area.
The Company did not enumerate the terms of the proposed MSI acquisition or the economic details of its relationship with Millennium. Instead, it devoted the balance of the Form 8-K to explaining its plan to capture a portion of the growing homeland security sector. Vinoble indicated that Secure Enterprise Solutions Physical Security Group would provide a variety of "information security services," including training, planning and awareness products.
In order to become "the 'most desired' provider of information security solutions," the Company intended to "rely heavily" upon a securities industry professional named Thomas Welch, "who had owned, managed and consulted for a number of high profile [Information Technology] companies." Indeed, the Company subsequently disclosed that it also had entered into non-binding agreements to acquire three companies owned by Mr. Welch - Secure Enterprise Solutions, Inc., WISE Learning Solutions, Inc. and Welch & Welch Investigations, Inc.
And, although the Form 8-K did not contain this information, the Company later disclosed that on December 29, 2004 it also entered into a non-binding agreement to acquire 21st Sentry Monitoring Systems, Inc., a provider of burglar and fire alarm monitoring services.
It was a busy December 29.
It did not take long for these plans to unravel. Vinoble's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended December 31, 2004 (filed on February 22, 2005) revealed that the Millennium relationship already was in its death throes. The Company stated that it had not entered into a definitive agreement with Millennium and did not anticipate doing so at the present time.
The Welch agreements soon disintegrated as well. According to the December 31, 2004 Form 10-Q, Mr. Welch was slated to become Vinoble's Chief Operating Officer on February 11, 2005. Mr. Welch subsequently had declined that appointment – for reasons that Vinoble did not explain – and plans for Vinoble to acquire his businesses were terminated.
Meanwhile, the MSI and Sentry transactions remain in limbo, with no sign that they are likely to be consummated. Although the Company claims that "discussions are ongoing," as of October 13, 2005, due diligence had not yet been completed and the parties still had not executed definitive agreements.
While these efforts to gain a foothold in the security industry were failing or stalling, Vinoble was solidifying its relationship with GarcyCo. Capital. On February 11, 2005 – the day Thomas Welch declined to become the Company's COO – Vinoble agreed to acquire "certain property and businesses" from GarcyCo Capital in consideration for 12.5 million shares of Vinoble's common stock, 100 shares of Vinoble's Series A Convertible Preferred Stock and 100 shares of Vinoble's Series B Preferred Stock. The Series A Convertible Preferred Stock provided GarcyCo Capital with effective control of Vinoble, since it could be converted into 50.1% of the Company's common stock, at the option of GarcyCo Capital.
The Company did not indicate what "property and businesses" it would acquire from GarcyCo Capital, although it stated that GarcyCo would forfeit a portion of the common stock (but none of the preferred shares) if GarcyCo failed to satisfy its obligations under the agreement within two years.
More Vinoble Pursuits
Despite its inability to complete any of the December 29 agreements, Vinoble seemed determined to become a player in the security industry. On April 23, 2005, the Company issued a press release announcing a plan to deploy Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) mobile location technology "for corporate, executive and personal safety." Vinoble said that it intended to deploy this technology to protect "high profile persons" from terrorism and kidnapping.
How would Vinoble, finance, develop or market the new technology. The Company still had no operating business and, as of March 31, 2005 it had $67 in cash. The April 23 press release did not address these issues. Despite Vinoble's seeming inability to implement these plans, investors responded to the April 23 announcement. On April 22, Vinoble common stock closed at 15 cents a share - 87,600 shares were traded that day. On April 25, the first trading day following the RFID announcement, the stock price hit 21 cents and over 1 million shares changed hands.
On April 29, 2005, Vinoble issued another press release relating to its RFID venture. This time the Company said it had agreed in principal to acquire certain RFID patents and technology which would allow it to track containers and cargo. Vinoble, which stated that it expected a definitive agreement within two weeks, did not identify the seller of the patents and technology or enumerate any terms of the transaction.
There is no indication that Vinoble finalized the agreement two weeks later, or at any time since. Still, the Company continued to contemplate an RFID venture. Vinoble no longer was talking about implanting chips in humans or tracking cargo; now it was contemplating utilizing the technology to protect mining assets. In a June 2005 press release Vinoble disclosed plans to use RFID technology to protect and track natural resources. As before, however, the Company did not indicate at the time - and has not yet stated - how it intended to implement or fund this venture.
The following month the Company offered another glimpse of its latest vision. On July 8, 2005, Vinoble announced that it had agreed to acquire controlling interest in the Hazard Lake Gold Mine in the Red Lake Mining District of Northwestern Ontario, Canada. The Company claimed that "a gold resource valued at nearly $8,000,000" in the ground, but conceded that further exploration would be needed to update this finding. The Company expressed its expectation that it now would be able to test RFID and Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) applications for the mining industry.
Once again, Vinoble did not disclose any details of the agreement or explain how the acquisition and operation would be financed. The Company also did not indicate how an entity with no operations, no money, one full-time member of its management team, and no experience either in the mining industry or with the implementation of RFID and GPS technology, would operate a mining concern or test new technologies. It promised further details when the deal closed, presumably in approximately ninety days.
One month later the Company offered a few further tidbits that might have titillated investors. An August 2, 2005 press release described the success of other mining operations in the Red Lake District implying, although not directly representing, that the Hazard Lake property might yield similar results. An August 12 press release reiterated this prospect of success by association, also reminding readers of the Company's plan to test RFID and GPS products in the mines.
Finally, on October 13, Vinoble announced that it had signed a definitive agreement to acquire the Hazard Lake property. Although the Company repeated its reference to the possibility of "a gold resource valued at $8,000,000 in the ground, and claimed that the new asset would increase shareholder value based upon current gold prices, the October 13 press release still failed to provide any material details of the agreement or the contemplated business.
Some additional details were included in the Company's Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2005, which disclosed that Vinoble had agreed to buy a 98% interest in the Hazard Lake property from Overseas Investment Banking Alliance, S.A., a Panamanian corporation, for $397,000 and 2 million shares of Vinoble common stock. The Company said that $197,000 of the purchase price was to be paid in cash (of which $67,000 had been pre-paid) with the balance represented by a promissory note payable over the next four years.
Shareholders can be excused for wondering how Vinoble would pay for the property. The Company had incurred expenses of $9.4 million in 2005, principally from the issuance of stock to employees and consultants, and had just $38 in its bank account on June 30, 2005. How could it possibly fund an acquisition or explore a mine. Even if it could afford a shovel and pail – barely – it had no employees ready to dig.
Despite these questions, and its historic inability to complete a transaction, Vinoble has been pursuing another acquisition in recent months. On September 6, 2005, the Company said it was evaluating an oil and gas project and had developed "new sources of funding to undertake the operation." Vinoble did not indicate the sources or terms of that funding or the details of the oil and gas acquisition and venture – but promised to do so once a definitive agreement was concluded. Sounding a now familiar theme, Vinoble said it would explore the use of RFID technologies to help monitor oil wells and production.
On September 9, the Company revealed that it had entered into a Memorandum of Understanding to acquire a minority interest in an oil and gas property located in the Lafourche Parish of Louisiana. They may want to begin operations quickly. A recent report indicated that the average property in Lafourche Parish sunk seven inches over the past decade.
Press releases issued on September 9 and September 28 offered some technical information about the property – but no details of the transaction or verifiable independent analysis of the value of the property. Nevertheless, the Company claimed that the oil and gas venture would increase its asset value.
Hidden Treasure?
At best, Vinoble's prospects are shrouded in uncertainty. The Company has provided only a vague description of its contemplated mining and oil and gas ventures – and not a hint of how those projects will be implemented. Is it possible to attribute any meaningful value on an entity which is so speculative, and in such sorry financial condition?
This brings us back where we started, with the promoter that has been touting Vinoble. The promoter's e-mail contends that the Company's stock is "very much undervalued considering the potential of the [homeland security sector and oil/energy industry] and the position of the Company." Exactly what position does the Company occupy? It is not yet involved in the homeland defense business; virtually every effort to enter that sector has been abandoned and, despite repeated references to RFID research, there is no sign that Vinoble owns any valuable technology or patents, or possesses the capacity to research and develop this process. The promoter claims that Vinoble "has assembled a highly qualified team of security professionals offering a full range of security services," but that contradicts the Company's public filings, which do not indicate that any such personnel are in place.
Nor is there any reason to exude confidence about the potential success of Vinoble's other projects. The prospects of the Company's vague mining venture remain purely speculative and plans for an oil and gas operation have yet to be finalized.
So how can the promoter anticipate that Vinoble shares will rise from a current price of 7 cents to 12 cents within days and 25 cents or 30 cents by early November? Is that simply delusion, wishful thinking, or an attempt to boost prices and create activity so some unidentified shareholders can dump their holdings? And who paid the promoter $10,000 to hype this stock? Hopefully the funds did not come from Vinoble, which does not appear to have such deep pockets and could better use the money for more constructive purposes.
Some "small treasure" can remain buried for a very long time.
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That's ok, but where is there anything substantial by documents at the states or financials or anything but fluff PR's that have never materialized, for anything where this company, "management" or insiders, have done positive business? It certainly isn't in the "managements" track record of running this company or any others for the shareholders benefit. That record is horrific.