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Pubdate: Tue, 19 Oct 2010
Source: Orange County Register, The (CA)
Webpage: http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/marijuana-271728-prop-city.html
Copyright: 2010 The Orange County Register
Contact: letters@ocregister.com
DEBUNKING FALSE FEARS ABOUT PROP. 19
Given that it was written partially in response to opinion polls, rather than as an exercise in pure theory, Proposition 19, which would legalize the possession and use of up an ounce of marijuana (cannabis) for adult Californians, contains provisions that an advocate of pure devotion to liberty might not have included. Some of these provisions have raised questions, some justified and some exaggerated out of any relation to reality. We thought it appropriate to deal with some of these issues, chiefly the reasons for having a "local option" for sales and cultivation and the possible implication this proposal would have on the ability of employers to discipline people who are impaired at work due to cannabis use, and of police to handle drivers similarly impaired.
Prop. 19 would establish a statewide policy, to wit: adults may possess up to an ounce of cannabis and may cultivate a patch of plants amounting to 25 square feet. But it contemplates that there will be a demand to purchase cannabis, as well, so it allows localities to develop their own policies for regulating cultivation and sales (and collecting taxes on them) or to prohibit any sales or cultivation beyond the 25-square-foot limit.
Critics argue that it may be too much to ask of city councils to develop sensible regulations in an unfamiliar area. There is also a fear that there will be so much variance from city to city that it will be just too confusing for law enforcement officials, and some marijuana users might get caught in compromising situations as they travel from city to city.
The local option plan grew out of the experience of so many cities at implementing (or not implementing) medical marijuana policies in response to Prop. 215 in 1996. It became obvious that some city governments would prefer to have no medical marijuana dispensaries, while others seemed to welcome them, or at least to accommodate their regulations to the policies endorsed by voters. Prop. 19 allows local jurisdictions to make that choice.
"It's funny," Joseph McNamara, a Hoover Institution research fellow and former police chief of San Jose, told us. "When I was a police chief, local officials complained constantly about mandates, most of them unfunded, from Sacramento. Now many of these same people object to a proposition without a mandate on local government. If it had included a mandate the outcry would have been louder. I suspect it's a matter of stretching to find a reason to oppose Prop. 19."
In fact, different cities have different policies toward the sale of liquor (within the framework of state laws), different zoning regulations, and different policies on a wide range of issues. Developing regulations that respond to local concerns within the framework of state and federal laws is what city councils and other arms of government are supposed to do. The beauty of local option is that the experience of different cities will serve as a laboratory of policy alternatives from which policy students and other city councils can learn what works and what doesn't.
As for employment policies, Prop. 19 specifically states that "the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance shall not be affected." However, that clause is preceded by one that says "No person shall be punished, fined or discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act." Critics have contended that this creates a "protected class" of marijuana smokers who are not subject to the same rules as the rest of us.
This is an incorrect inference. Prop. 19 reinforces laws against driving while impaired, makes it illegal to smoke in front of minors, and makes it illegal to smoke in public places. Cannabis users under Prop. 19 will be subject to all the constraints imposed on other citizens and some unique to them.
The reason for prohibiting discrimination against cannabis users is simple. Existing testing methods can detect metabolites of cannabinoids for up to a month after cannabis use - long after any intoxication or impairment has disappeared. Employers can't fire an employee for getting drunk on Saturday night so long as he or she shows up Monday able to perform satisfactorily. A similar policy should apply to marijuana and will apply if Prop. 19 passes.
A similar policy will apply to driving while impaired. A complication is that there is no simple roadside test for marijuana use. The responsibility of police will be to look for signs of impairment, as is the case now.
Legalizing marijuana use for adults is a significant step away from nanny-state policies and all the crime, corruption and violence that accompany marijuana prohibition, so some caution about such an important move is understandable. But the impact on employment polices, driving laws and the responsibilities of local government are not sufficient to justify rejection of this proposal.
Prepared by: Richard Lake, Focus Alert Specialist www.mapinc.org
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Bring the money back home folks..........................North America: Legalizing Pot
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Pubdate: Sat, 30 Oct 2010
Source: Globe and Mail (Canada)
Copyright: 2010 The Globe and Mail Company
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Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/168
Author: Robert Matas
Cited: Proposition 19 http://yeson19.com/
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LEGALIZING POT
THE BILLION DOLLAR REPERCUSSIONS
On Tuesday, California will vote on Proposition 19, an initiative to legalize, tax and regulate marijuana. If passed, it would allow people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate or transport marijuana for personal recreational use.
Legalized marijuana in California would have a profound impact across North America, with prices plummeting and jobs lost. In British Columbia alone, experts say the move would wipe out about $2-billion in exports and 20,000 jobs.
But will Proposition 19 pass? Early polling found significant support for the initiative but, as election day draws nearer, the "no" side has been gaining traction. A USC/Los Angeles Times poll in the third week of October found 51 per cent of likely voters opposed to legalization and 39 per cent in support of the measure. Others polls have reported similar results.
If it does get support, get ready for massive changes in the drug industry.
Prices: A Real Downer
Some things, of course, remain uncertain if California does legalize marijuana. Marijuana will remain illegal under federal U.S. law and how the U.S. government will respond is unclear. There is also no indication of how the drug will be taxed and by how much.
But one thing on which all the experts agree is that prices will tumble. Right now, marijuana sells for about $300 to $450 per ounce in California. In larger quantities, it can sell for $4,000 a pound or more. Prices are set by demand, supply, the risk in providing an illegal product and the drug's strength - the amount of intoxicating THC ( delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol ).
If the drug is legalized, risk will disappear, and both demand and supply will almost certainly increase. Production costs could drop to about one-tenth of current levels. Those working with marijuana would no longer collect a risk premium. Growers could open larger production facilities yielding economies of scale. The pre-tax retail price could drop as low as $38 per ounce, about one-tenth its current price.
An America-Wide Buzz
Prices won't just tumble in California. With reduced production and processing costs, California growers would be more competitive with growers across the country. Marijuana produced legally would undercut prices throughout most of the U.S. The price of San Francisco marijuana after legalization could wholesale in Washington, D.C., at $2,575 per pound, compared to the current wholesale price in the Maryland/Virginia area of roughly $4,000 per pound.
Source: Altered State? Assessing How Marijuana Legalization in California Could Influence Marijuana Consumption and Public Budgets published by the RAND Corporation Drug Policy Research Center
Mexico Gets Taste of Competition
Mexican marijuana has carved out a niche in the drug trade as the supplier of a cheaper, commercial grade product. Its price advantage would disappear if California supports legalization. With reduced costs of production, California-grown marijuana could be priced about the same as the Mexican grass but would be considerably more potent - about 3.6 times more.
Mexicans would be left with exports to other U.S. states that could not obtain the California product. Mexico's drug-trafficking organizations earn up to $2-billion annually from exporting marijuana to the U.S., but could lose as much as $1.5-billion of that should California legalize marijuana.
Sources: Reducing Drug Trafficking Revenues and Violence in Mexico: Would Legalizing Marijuana in California Help? RAND Corporation International Programs and Drug Policy Research Center
In B.C, an Industry Will Go Up in Smoke
The marijuana trade is one of the largest - if not the largest - industry in B.C., generating around $4-billion in revenue annually for at least the past seven years. Domestically, marijuana sells for about $2,000 a pound.
About 70 per cent of marijuana produced - about $3-billion worth - is exported to the U.S. The price of B.C. Bud increases as the distance from B.C. grows - it sells for $2,500 a pound just south of the Canada-U.S. border but can go for as much as $5,000 a pound in San Diego. And at least half of the exports to the U.S. go to California, sales that would be lost if legalization occurs there.
Closing one grow-op with 700 plants would eliminate an operation with annual revenue of about $344,000 and jobs for electricians, gardeners, those who tend and harvest the crops, security people and brokers who arrange the sale of the product. The province has around 60,000 marijuana growing operations varying in size, from a few dozen plants to several hundred. Legalization in California could take away work for 20,000 people in B.C. The impact on organized crime - which distributes and sells the drug - would be significant.
Source: Criminologist Darryl Plecas, of the University of the Fraser Valley in Abbotsford, B.C. and Mayor Brian Taylor of Grand Forks, B.C., the first leader of the B.C. Marijuana Party
MAP posted-by: Richard Lake
US CA: OPED: Vote 'Yes' On Prop. 19
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Pubdate: Sun, 31 Oct 2010
Source: Sierra Star, The (CA)
Copyright: 2010 The Sierra Star
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Author: Barry Barnett
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VOTE 'YES' ON PROP. 19
Prohibition has caused far more harm than Marijuana ever has, or ever could. It is a relatively mild drug, with no capacity for physical addiction, and has never caused a single overdose, or death, ever.
The fear mongering about what may happen if Cannabis is legalized, is as old as slavery. There are millions of users in California now. Where is all the mayhem on the streets? The fact of the matter is, that Marijuana is not causing great social harm now, and it won't after Prop 19 passes.
What about driving under the influence? Most of the fears around "impaired driving" are because people think Cannabis affects driving to the same or a similar degree as alcohol, and that is simply not the case.
Studies have shown it does not impair driving to any significant degree, as compared to alcohol where you can literally be "blind drunk."
Marijuana, on the other hand, is self limiting in that regard. The "high" if you will, peaks out at a certain level and any further use of the drug will make the user sleepy and red eyed, but it certainly won't put them into that stumbling, incoherent state that is all too familiar with alcohol.
Long-term studies show no link between Cannabis and cancer or emphysema. It can be ingested and there are even Cannabis drinks that adults can enjoy the same way people enjoy beer now. Many people will choose to use cannabis instead of alcohol, and in turn that will make our streets and public areas safer, not more dangerous as the opposition would have you believe.
So is Prop. 19 the right way to go or should we wait for a better deal? Prop 19 is not a "flawed proposition" as the opposition would have you believe. They would be saying that no matter how it was worded. They are running scared because most of their distortions about cannabis have long since been debunked, and people are beginning to come around to the truth.
Besides, Prop. 19 is only a starting point. Tom Amiano has already begun drafting a bill ( ABX 6-9 ) that will provide statewide regulation for counties that want it which addresses the main argument the opposition had against it.
In countries where cannabis has more liberal laws such as in Holland and Portugal, the rate of use for all drugs went down significantly, and kids under the age of 18 use pot at less than half the rate of kids here. I guess it's just not as cool if "mom and dad do it"... In fact, making alcohol a "forbidden fruit" back in the 30's also led to an epidemic of underage drinking that had not existed prior to Prohibition. What is that definition of insanity again?
Many in the law enforcement community have expressed their support for Prop 19 saying it is "good law enforcement." We can save billions of dollars, save our kids from interacting with drug dealers and the court system, and give adults a safer, less harmful way to relax that won't leave them hungover and non-productive the next day.
Employers in California are "at will" and can hire or fire anyone for any reason. That's the bottom line and that will not change under Prop 19. It does not create a "protected class of citizen." Don't believe the distortions of the Prohibitionists. We have millions of cannabis users now, and let's face it, they aren't exactly a group of trouble makers are they?
There is a new saliva test being developed that can determine how much cannabis is in one's system and for how long. So any fear that there is no way to test for DUI is also unfounded. Besides, there have been numerous studies that prove that cannabis does not provide anywhere near the impairment of alcohol and never could.
Of course, nobody would advocate driving under the influence of anything, but of all the prescription drugs and alcoholic beverages that one might consume before getting into a car, cannabis is by far, the least dangerous.
Vote YES on Prop 19 on Tuesday, Nov. 2. Not only for us here in California but for all the victims of draconian pot laws across the country that are hanging their hopes on us. We can change history by overturning 70 years of failed Prohibition and use those dollars to help society and even provide drug counseling for those that need it. Our police can focus on violent criminals and we can begin shutting prisons down, instead of building new ones.
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And to all the prop fails and I bail people........
I wasn't lying on friday when I said we have alot of fresh Chicago powder moving in on Monday. Not me, real bio tech. investors... So set your asks because they want your dividends, your warrants, and most of all, your shares.
The goal is retirement in 5-8 yrs. I was told that prop 19 is only a short term catalyst (up or down). Take it for what you want, make your penny plays, but my tendency is to follow the smart money. I'm going to be here for awhile...
You all have a great weekend..
I gotta go and set 2 Nascar and 5 NFL fantasy lineups.....now that's a gamble. CBIS is not
And with caller ID and all the other technology, who is even picking up their phone for this nonsense? Gram and Gramps, that's who..
Oh yeah and dare I say Pre-screened pollsters? This is how they scare you folks, IMO its not going to work this time, and hopefully never again!!
Let's not forget the one glaring thing about these phone polls...How many 18 -25 year olds are actually at home to take these polls? (Ma, Dad, It's for you)
Their parents, maybe, but the youngins are out beating the street, and don't take calls unless its to their cell phone, and even then, would you answer an unknown caller?
This is the voting base, and all these half-baked polls do not reflect that IMO. When all these young folks show up on tuesday, Proposition 19 will be voted in easily.
That's the beauty of this one.......You can still get in.... As we all retreat to the Hamptons...........Just buy 420 instead of 42000.IMO
This is the best group I have engaged in so far.
I've been touting this thing for 2 months......Winner winner. I got 1 m coming in on monday they don't care about the vote anymore.
Its all about the future for them, and our little cannabonus,
Do the black ops still incorporate stocks?
If they do.. they should send better agents....
I told you......Its in the wind....
Just give em a good squeeze tonight. remind yourself that you have a pair.........
which is more than I can say for some of these folks.
LOOOOOOLOOOOOOL
Here we go, good weekend to you all. Vote yes...whatever state you're in.......Vote yes to "use", and to study the use of cannabinoids ......
Would you vote against mother's milk?
Tell your friends
Bed now........more money tomorrow.....drink it
TY for the awesome debate. Just say something I don't know next time.....
Jimmy where have you gone
Indeed IMO " you folks are at the right place......at the right time" Dynasty is for sports, but a LEGACY lasts forever. Teach your children well..
BTW......better than junk food...you ass
tap tap better cover .......or else I'm eating the float.......boy am I hungry LOL
"but the thing that you're hearing is only the sound"breath"of the low spark of high heeled boys"
HIGH YIELD BOYS
C'mon where are you shade, whizzedon, make me beleive this will fail...........concerened shorty?
Alright so Devils advocate.....
either this thing pops off like momma's 40 yr. cork.....or......
we get nutttin, I'll take my chances. I like my mommma.
What happens when I can't sell at any price. If it goes back great. Ahhhh, my first bag to hold. BTW my "emotion" was greed. can't win em all I guess
Zed's dead baby......Zed's dead
I'm blaming myself here. Its only a couple k for me, but its the last time I buy with emotion.
Mark Taylor <tvmetguy@hotmail.com>
Well now I know where to hide my gains this year. If I can even sell it
gotta love the IHUB.....another lesson learned. holdin it all anyhow. Float or sink
Where did the mod go...is it that bad?
POOF
Thanks Day, very good point
I'm very sorry for you sir...
Thanks for playing Jimmy, Bob, tell us what he's won.
I'll tell you what. While all you people keep questioning. I'm back up to a quarter ton now still average at .092... I'll let you know how it shakes out for me
Honestly you won't have a definitive answer until its all finalized on 11/2. Until then you'll only get speculation
What do you not get about the NEW CLASS. Have you even read any of this?
I don't know what your situation is, but alot of us here have been waiting for this for at least a month now. Call it what you want. You're not changing anyones mind
Such pessimism. Thanks for all your useless insight. If you aint' drinkin the kool-aid, then you have to leave the ranch.. WTG CBIS
Yeah because they all bought in last week when we had record volume....shakin out the last of the shorts...then up we go...Cannabonus long overdue, but now a reality
I'm back in baby
Hemp as a new commodity ......I'm goin to bed......
big fish in a little river.somethin's bound to get caught.....see you all next month. Like I said keep doin what yer doin..
I got voters to sway