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Not that it matters. Did you know what Eontec manufactured before metal alloys? Yes, that’s correct. Eontec made pots and pans for cooking. And we’re controlled like today by the government. The government was always there. But now they are more present. Eontec’s business is growing. Not that it matters.
Andy, take another look. Must be the volume.
Forget about the marketing everyone. LQMT has it all figured out. Here’s the great marketing and sales plan.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/executive-blog-jan/
Makes you feel good. Gives all a sense of pride and comfort. Now that we know it. It won’t be too long (about another decade) before the LM is on the minds of everyone. Just look at the impact of this ingenious strategy. Up and down pps of .04 cents, trade volume stagnant, new shareholders stagnant and get this; the discovery of a sale by the posters of this board. Not even the CEO, as documented on this board, was aware of the sale gone public before LQMT, posted it in a blog. And there is still more! NO PR to update anyone outside of this board, since this board is very astute with all facets of amorphous metal and LQMT ‘s involvement. Hold on to your seats. It gets better. When there chief partner experienced a major event, did LQMT, release a PR to ease any concerns of its shareholders? No, they issued a blog update inline with their marketing and sales strategy.
You have to be crazy not to go out and buy more shares.
No need to worry now with trade shows and webnars. Right????
10 years of the same marketing strategy And expecting a different result? Reminds one of Einstein’s theory of insanity. But what the heck, if Mr. Li, the CEO, is happy with it, so should we all, right???
Good luck to all in LQMT.
Forget about it everyone. LQMT alre
Better than well said.
LQMT updates design guide 4.4 v5 to v7. A comparison of the two revealed no material difference, when the 84 page documents were scanned.
Whatever your experience or marketing knowledge you may have, nothing could be further from the truth. For if what you state were to be remotely true, than LQMT, is guilty of either insanity or fiduciary negligence. I do not believe this is the case. Heaven knows they are guilty of many things. Including their ability to market the company. But to the extent of what you’re talking about is... well frankly, a very far stretch.
What you are implying is that LQMT is happy to be earning a few hundred thousand, when they could be earning millions. I hope not for all of our sakes.
Yes it would be great to see a top notch advertising firm consulted with. It would be great to see a PR, where LQMT has set aside a few million and hired a top marketing firm. But to think that, that alone will turn the ignition on or allow the train to leave the station is premature or wishful thinking for LQMT.
I will agree that they do apparently lack marketing expertise and transparent timely communications and as a result it is a drag on all invested and for anyone who may be thinking of investing. Hence we take the time to repetitively state it. That’s on LQMT, not us.
Good luck
Volume dried up. That is an understatement. The volume has been dried up for a long time now.
Good luck.
Dmn, disagree with what exactly? Did the post say we need fluff or we don’t need fluff? Perhaps you can read it again and tell me where it is stated that I indicate we need fluff or BS for that matter. That is what you get from a hype and pump website. Or a company that exists on name only. Did I make a typo error?
We tend to comment very well with authority on what and who are clueless. We tend to comment with very little authority on the clues.
It is very difficult for a company like LQMT, which has been in business for quite some time, to market a new idea, a new concept, a new material to the world of greed, business and enterprise. Why is that? Well, when you try to sell your new idea, your new concept, your new material with all of it’s advantages, that too, has been around for quite some time. The first thing that they will ask you is to show them your sales, show me how many clients do you have, how many parts can you and do you produce daily, weekly, annually? Are sales increasing or decreasing? When you show them what you have accomplished after 15 or so years. It becomes very clear why the greed and world of enterprise becomes very skeptical of your platform. It is called caution to them, it is called common sense to others and to those invested in LQMT, it is called lack of vision and the blame squarely rests on the executives operating the company for not doing a better job.
In general. People, enterprise do not want to invest in a enterprise that has very little to show after being in business for quite some time. (Regardless of new developments).
When you cannot mass manufacture the product, that can also limit your path to clients and success.
Picture LQMT, going on Shark Tank. Envision their pitch. Then envision the criticism. First, what is in it for the investor and then how can they make sales. They are not selling a product, they are selling an idea. Hence LQMT has very little in sales momentum and few meaningful clients over the years.
Thus we can all conclude it is easier to sell a product and not an idea. The B.B. markets are full of successful ideas but not full of successful products or companies. Increasing Product sales, not ideas, is what will bring in the analysts, the greed, the new investors.
Although we, who believe we have vision and are invested in LQMT, do not want to see fluff blogs and fluff PR. We do want to see the PR for those few new companies, that LQMT are selling to and the potential to grow and impact those industries.
Mr. Li, may very well have invested to make a return on his investment. No question about that. We get that. What we are not getting, are the (lack of) results from Li’s investment and ours. Thus a mistrust is allowed to fester by those executives operating a company with a great idea, that once released fluff.
No one here should blame LQMT, for not trying to succeed. But all here who are clueless and all here who have clues and are loyal shareholders deserve better than what they have been receiving from the executives of LQMT, by way of communications, by way of PR.
These are my opinions. As always they are worth less than the pps of LQMT.
Good luck to all
It would appear that JB has less newsletter readers than LQMT has shareholders. His theory of LQMT making auto parts makes sense. The details, the math, his historical jibberish and present suppositions are things he sees that we do not. One might say it falls under the category of schizophrenia imo. Facts are definitely not one of his fortes. Hype is. In that category he knows no limits, no boundaries and tells a tale. It is what he has to do to make a buck.
All here know, that LQMT will not rise, but remain between .01 and .27 until a PR announcement is made from LQMT and not from anyone else, period! But we also know through doing factual DD, the possibilities are there for LQMT to build momentum from various industries to becoming successful and not from having all of the eggs in one basket. The capabilities for this new material in present time is in small parts. The costs of molds for making large parts are to expensive. PR from a company is what attracts new investors, a higher share price, attention from analysts, and stability in a higher share price. Hype, rumors and speculation is the result of what we all witnessed last August-September. Many times short term shareholders and a few long term shareholders feel either one will do. There may be room for both, the reality and the delusion as we wait for a positive announcement to impact the form 8K and our pockets.
Good luck to all.
Make that .34
For the first time, JB’s assessment of LQMT makes sense.
A company has a responsibility to keep their shareholders in the light , not in the dark. It is not up to us to hound them or bombard them. If they are doing something wrong, the SEC can handle them.
Like another poster here, I am in agreement that it is very sad that LQMT did not release a statement via a PR on the recent Eontec event. And then when they did respond via a blog, they had (little)nothing new to say.
I am for LQMT, I am against stupidity. The posters here are very intelligent and it seems, that because of the intelligent posts and fantastic DD accomplished by the posters here, that LQMT responds to them in a follow up blog, rather than initiating the information. This is not the way info should normally flow. But, when a company puts out zero PR updates, it is the only way interested shareholders can protect their investment.
We cannot state LQMT is working on some big secret project, we can only speculate with common sense. Those here who have experience know how much time it may take to sell to a client an idea and then a product. Based on shared DD AND KNOWLEDGE, it should not be too much longer before all of LQMT ‘s projects becomes known.
Good luck to all
2018 a time for PR, a time for sales, a time for momentum. This year. Not next year. A time for success.
Take some time and read...http://octs.com/inventhelp/mfrcost.htm
On another topic. Not knowing if anyone here has invested in companies based in China, that are government controlled, I just want to share some info. Many times the government will subsidize a government controlled company and then there are other times when they will stop investing and the company will file for bankruptcy.
I have made money on a Chinese government backed bank and I have lost money as well on a government backed solar panel company as well. The problem that occurs is that there are financial firms, that still cannot recommend these stocks to all of their clients, (it depends on your level of risk), because it is very difficult to ascertain actual cash flows and debts. On the plus side when a company is favored, they have access to capital that they normally would not have if they were still private and independent.
Eontec, appears to have positive revenues. They may be expanding. LM is still a new material. It is not anywhere near mainstream. Every part they make needs it’s own mold, no matter who makes the part. Unless they reach a contract on a part that requires millions of orders for the same part, they can only slowly build momentum from pennies to a dollar.
I hope all here has a better grasp of why it takes time. But no one here should ever give the CEO, or it’s executives, a pass at anytime for not releasing PR TO IT’s SHAREHOLDERS to keep both shareholders and non-shareholders informed as to what they have done, what they are doing and what they are trying to do. Shareholders, be they long term or short term should not have to wait 3 months for any sign of change. If it not worth reading any new news in a PR, then it is not worth reading in a blog. Blogs are opinions and do not carry the same weight as a PR. The shareholders do not want fluff, they want facts.
Can anyone imagine being asked to invest in a company that just puts out PR only for a 10q or an insider trade or an open house every two years? No? Well guess what? We have. We all must be geniuses!
Good luck to all.
2018 time for a sale. Time for PR.
I believe you are correct on the order of new revenues.
The logic of P/E ratio does not apply to a B.B. stock trading @ pennies without any positive earnings. So if a equity is at pennies per share without positive earnings and having a P/E ratio currently way beyond it’s share price, they do not have to earn millions to reach a $5 pps. But yes, they would have to sell millions to sustain a dollar + share price. There are equities that have negative earnings that do trade in multiples way beyond their negative income.
As everyone here has witnessed this equity popped from .06 to .24 and then from .24 to .41 on basically little revenues, no PR regarding new sales, a new CEO, and a lot of hype, rumors and speculation that all concluded, might result in new contracts equating to increased revenues and a higher share price. Has that happened? The answer is no, but the sentiment of this board says; not yet.
So if a equity can pop 6 to 7 fold its negative earnings and zero P/E. It is quite possible that it can pop 4 fold from it’s current pps to a dollar + on the same hype rumors and expectations. Now throw in the momentum that this equity is building and you have all of the ingredients of a ticking time bomb with a fuse length that is anyone’s guess.
So until we get to the point when LQMT starts selling millions to justify a P/E ratio worth its pps, I would be more concerned with the ticking time bomb and what is it going to take to light the fuse and watch it explode.
I see the bomb going off first before the P/E becomes a factor. Just my opinion. My opinions are worth less than the P/E of LQMT.
Good luck to all
It is disgraceful that our company remains silent on this development, your comments on this important issue is 1000% correct.
From a LQMT point of view, Mr. Li, as CEO and controlling shareholder should weigh in on any relationship change. Eontec is still considered a partner.
Aside from this LQMT is still an independent B.B. company with cash to burn this year. The greatest impact and concern should be the impending sales LQMT is trying to nail down no matter what just took place with Eontec.
The silence from the executives are a shame!
That is an accurate read. Also guide 4.3 was not released on the site. There are only 1 or 2 articles referring to 4.3 nothing more. The lm105 and dc106 are noted in product process for 2017 and 2018. Also the iso certificate 9001:20008 expires as stated on their certificate, as all of these expire September 15, 2018, and are subject to a review. Reference: http://asrworldwide.com/qms-library/item/heads-up-iso-9001-2008-certificates-expire-september-15-2018.html
Have a great day.
No, its called an offer you can’t refuse!
https://www.economist.com/node/21528264
Good luck to all
Have a great day.
All aboard...,,,,
LQMT has been trading between .21 and .27 on zero news.
I don’t see a negative impact for LQMT!
You are 100% correct.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/pagination-fifth-style/
Scroll down tap each pic. lightly and a small tan square with a 0 appears in the upper left corner, If you are curious about the picture. There are 5 pages.
It is a portfolio representing what LQMT has and is trying to do.
LQMT nor any other Amorphous Metal company as of today is have the ability to produce large sheets of amorphous metal. The product must have a mold and the liquid metal injected. But what Amorphous Metal companies can make with today’s technology and parts in mind, can earn anyone of them millions of dollars. The patents that the former LQMT team secured plus the shared technology from Apple gives LQMT an advantage. If it were so easy to penetrate the markets other companies would have done so too.
What I see over the past two years that we’re not in play before and are now, is the new resources for the former team to bring to fruition their knowledge, their talent and skills in this field. The upgrades to the website are nothing more than the history and evolution of LQMT. To the new client or investor it is very impressive. To many of the posters here it may be old news. But the evolution shows that LQMT is no longer putting all of it’s eggs in one basket. That’s a very big deal for long term investors.
LQMT as all here knows has not put out PR. Its not about a NDA. Its about signing agreements. The knowledge and resources are now in place and have been for a few months now. As the agreements of small parts with clients become known, LQMT will earn money. And the awareness of these parts will lead to huge commercial companies in the metals industry investing in the LQMT product. That looks to be years away. But the sales of small parts to various clients are going to start this year. No one can tell you in a day or a week. But we can see that it can happen this year and keep on building momentum. The fact that LQMT has the resources and the capability to give a client what they require is the reason for the pps being where it is at. The fact that we have not seen any new deals also keeps the pps where it is at. When we see new clients sign on, LQMT will rocket up not on hype or rumor.
Good luck to all
$12,500.00 drops LQMT pps 4%. Or .007, in the latest round of 50,000 shares sold. Now that is not impressive.
The market places today for new materials are now exposed to and very well aware of amorphous metal/ bulk metal glass. The struggle to adapt the new material does take time for many reasons. Existing Inventories, orders, testing of a new product, convincing the target areas to a new manufacturing process etc. LQMT has much experience with failures. But the demand for a better product and the ability to produce that product will start a new future and a new history for LQMT. If LQMT cannot sell water in a desert or ice cream and candy to a child.... Then we/they are at a point when all can say we are in trouble, we/they are in deep donkey dust. Despite of themselves, the markets are now ready for Liquidmetal from all sources. Is LQMT ready to deliver?
They are beginning to build momentum. Insiders do not appear to be backing up what they blog/post and so there is a sound basis to doubt. Lack of sales, lack volume, lack of legitimate PR. But if you see the insiders of LQMT or clients that they are doing business with scoop up shares, then all will be very happy we rolled the dice between.06 and .36.
As of yet there are no big CE products screaming LM. There are other markets testing and using LM. What are the CE manufactures seeing that we are not? If it is a secret, it does not make sense. The bigger question is why is Apple taking so long? Their sales of certain products are down 30%. Due to price and competition from bells and whistles and not from hardware. Its not about LM. So why invest over $500 million and more in a new material if you are not using it to an advantage? So then it is not a question of if. Its a question of when. Hence we have the hype, speculation and interest also based on a sound basis. The Apple patents and investments.
So all here post valid points of views, not in the form of pro and con, but in the form of progress or no progress. Reality shows little progress and its reflected in the pps and volume. Reality is the result of how the company is doing, no matter what we believe. It is a snapshot of now and not of the past nor of the future. It is for some a snapshot of no to a little progress and for some a little to a lot of progress.
No matter what we post or believe or expect the pps is where LQMT is at. Just note the pps is in a better place then .06, and there is a sound basis for that too.
Have a great weekend.
Well said. All here had to know LQMT was not exactly bought for its sales revenue, but for it’s IP and perhaps a geographical advantage to compliment Eontec. In either case the reasons can be debated, but the benefits of the investment bode well for long term shareholders.
The sellout of IP and jobs are a result not of ideological views but of elected political representatives on both sides of the isle becoming corrupt. Not a new historical story. A sad one for all.
There goes the Liquidmetal bridge pins. http://amp.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article208661319.html
I guess they were worth 1 penny of The pps.
And Mr. Li ‘s grandchildren were running the company. Otherwise it could be schizophrenia.
Eagle1947, Or sell now at .255 and buy it back at .27 to .30. What you post makes a lot of sense. Its from SBS. Stock burn syndrome. Anyone who discounts the past, takes on bigger risks. However, anyone who drives a vehicle, while looking only in the rear view mirror takes on a little risk, especially when you are a passenger and not the driver. Current revenues do not support the rhetoric. But currently the new investment in the company does support a .27 pps. Current prospects and recent added exposure support a .30 pps. New sales announcement will support higher pps and hype can always spike the pps 3 fold. Either way as a current shareholder, you are in a very good place. But if you believe in what you say, why give it 30 days?
Good luck to you.
Init2, come on now. You have not been doing your DD. However, I see the board has gone off on a very interesting tangent. So I’m posting this for you and then let’s see if the rest of the posters connect the dots.
https://nz.linkedin.com/in/mason-williams-79029620
LQMT, is approaching a break out on it’s own. What amazes me is the fact that LQMT wants to keep the lid on attracting new investors. If you think the 246 patent applications are a !wow! The clients and revenues from are going to be a bigger !!!wow!!! It has already begun and the momentum is building. Those who wait too long to get in may regret not getting in and taking the risk that long terms have taken actually those coming in tomorrow are taking a much lower risk.
Just based on the medical alone, LQMT can enter dollar land. throw in auto agreements and arms ordinance and the pps enters NASDAQ territory. Add to this CE hype, speculation, rumors, reality and you have transformed from watching a company that looks like a melting ice glacier to a company that looks more like a volcano ready to explode.
It sounds like hype. If it were Mr. Li and Co. would be releasing BS PR every week. But no PR has been released to support the leap from a penny stock to a dollar stock. Their mum. And when they do release a big story more buyers will be buying millions of shares at a much higher pps.
You can connect Mason Williams to both ConMed and LQMT.
Good luck to all.
Spot on once again for the millionth time.
Handsomehank, spot on.
Ok adjust the rags to riches post with your data, but the results will still be the same. Focus now on the future.
Ok let’s try to simplify the unknown for all and all points of view since the board is going astray slightly. Whether it’s Eontec or LQMT that brings home the bacon the owners of the equities reap the rewards, be it bureaucrats, investors or anyone else. Check out Mason Williams linked in page....
Good luck to all
LQMT was already thrown into the trash heap and kicked to the curb, when it peaked at $20.00 and sank to .06 in 2016. But as all know, some of people’s rags become other people ‘s riches. So along came the garbage picker Mr. Li, and went through the curbside trash heap and picked out LQMT a new home and a fresh start. He adopted LQMT and so far has put it on a parity with his first rags to riches company Eontec.
Good luck to all