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I felt the same way....But yet no one in their right mind could have predicted how this season would go. Its going to be a great finish.
I stated here a long time ago while others were posting, "everyone else is selling this and that, why don't we". I always thought it was because Tom did not to want to create any waves for himself as his team pushed on the FDA. This IMO takes a long time......
Other's just assume there is no product because its easier than having to do real DD.
I don't think its a pipe dream by any means. The only one to get approval, maybe not.... BUT, the FIRST one to get approval, would be very nice. I will hold a core position here as long as it takes.
and on a lighter note.....I think somewhere upstairs there's one heckuva party goin' on
Pappa Bear George Halas.
THE Coach Vince Lombardi
I could go on and on.
This is going to be one for the books. Can't wait to see it happen!!
No prob, I just wish I would have noticed this stock before it hit the springboard LOL.
I only found this law suit through my DD on the Chinese company. IMO They might be worth a look as well (US PATENT) but Its a complicated situation right now.
Cool Toc, and it seems if I'm in a pinch I could jump start my car with that thing as well. hehehehehe
The bill's sponsor, Assemblywoman Nancy Munoz, a Republican from Summit, said the restrictions are a matter of erring on the side of caution because the health risks associated with e-cigarettes have not been fully determined.
Cool, sorry for the concern, I didn't realize how many e-cig companies there were in FL. I found Smoking Everywhere listed, guess they're in trouble. Good luck to you and thanks for pointing that out.
It looks like they misspelled the name but they got Florida right. They are also going after BLU.
http://www.dragonite.com.hk/upload/news/1294921360_EW0329ANN.pdf
So far it looks like they are seizing only certain shipments. Here is the FDA mandate...
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_190.html
I've searched through the China section so far, and no mention of Ruyan or Dragonite. Feel free to search it as well.
The Chinese stock dropped 6 mos ago before the restructuring, not just last week!!!!
And once again I'm going to say that they have patents for and sell this product GLOBALLY. Since 2001 I might add also. Even if Ruyan's shipments are being seized, which I doubt, there are still plenty of other countries where they are not.
And that's probably why I can't find the American site for now . Here's the list of suppliers AGAIN
http://www.ruyan.com.cn/where_to_buy.jsp.
There are lots of other reasons that this stock is a good buy. I do not understand why the end all be all for most is the USA sales.. I wouldn't be shocked if Ruyan has not shipped a single pack here yet, until these patent cases get rolling. This is a Billion Dollar company, that hasn't needed to rely on US sales for anything in the past, so why should it be the "Holy Grail" now?
Honestly what's so damn good about this country. Most people here are just learning what an e-cig is and it's not like they are lining up in droves to buy them!!!
I purchased a Chinese stock that trades under an American symbol as well. I'll take my chances with the dozen patents or so. Including United States Patent 7832410 for the Electronic Atomization Cigarette.
Thanks for the warning though.
And now we can't be friends anymore until after next week McCheese LMAO.
Ok, what I just did was go to my images and copy the embed(ded) link. You should have already have the picture entered and cropped, or maximized which I will look into now.
Then you just paste that embed(ded) link in the signature window and voila. I like the big picture myself. Sweet Bike Man. Be careful on that thing.
In all honesty, I've got the mail out. I'm searching for the US distributor since ruyanamerica,com is non-existent. I'm expecting answers soon. Thanks for showing us this other direction.
TY thump..
Whoops. I sincerely apologize to you 4 4 . I was just trying to point out to other long term investors "like you" that everything is not usually what it seems. I hope I didn't cause any confusion in your camp.
Honestly, if you do your own research, and quit questioning the integrity of others and the company you are posting about, you wouldn't receive this kind of attention.
" Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise"
Good luck to you 4 4 .
Please don't ignore or ban this poster!!! They're merely uncovering skeletons, who doesn't want to see that? Spooky!!!!!!
Please show the JV docs, or at least where you found them, all I get from your link is an uninformative website. I'm still searching here as well.
Ty Louie, its tonight, might even be a CBIS sighting.
I should also mention that the out of the world price is not what it seems to be when you do the conversion as GW is UK based. Its been trading OTC here for around $1.70 a stub
GW Pharmaceutical is the one I think you are talking about. In CBIS early PR's they stated they wanted to pattern themselves after GW. I sure hope they can.
But then again some people have nothing else to do in life.
Oh yeah?
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BBB you are wrong. About 20 years ago TS and Michael Berresheim (Chair of PEG) were allegedly working together with the US Broker Fred W. Ballou to sell shares (NicStic) of the portfolio of HP Heinz Hensley (today's name Heinz Piroth). In relation to these questionable activities legal court action was started and it is alleged that TS quickly moved to U.S.
20 years later Smokefree Innotec decides to use a marketing company whose key stakeholders were involved in several fraudulent actions and subject to court rulings and fines? Not sure if this choice will drive pps.
Questionable and scary information:
I googled more on German websites and here is another questionable link:
www.mein-parteibuch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
In essence the link says:
# PEG - Perfect Entertainment Group is in charge of promotion of Smokefree products.
# It continues in saying " in charge of promoting Smokefree Innotec's products of its former employee Thomas Schroepfer - This suggests TS is not with Smokefree anymore. Blog entry is from 24/10/2010
# It says that T. Schroepfer had severe problems with German Justice Department and now lives in California
# 2 people involved (ownership) with PEG have been in jail for several fraud, investment, SEC violation issues etc. for several years
# PEG guys were involved in 2006 in a company named NicStic which made ecigs and stated that cigs were producted by AHN Biotechnologie in Germany.
# Japanese Investment group wanted to visit NicStic production facilities (= AHN facilities) and were disappointed to find out that AHN was not NicStic production facilities but that there were only producing a non-nicotine pilot production of aromas on a semi-automatic production machine. AHN was surprised that NicStic ordered 500,000 of the preproduction product.
# AHN only producted for NicStic after receiving prepayment from them
That's what Yoda has been trying to calculate for us. IMO If they pull the restructuring off without a hitch, then set your limit high.
I'm really not a numbers guy, the bond thing was something I stumbled across, and I'm not sure if I was reading it correctly.
But what I do see here is a solid business model that was not so solid before. You would laugh if you saw the other two e-cig companies that we have for trading here in the states. I'm not saying they are bad, they are just far outshined by Dragonite's transparency, and one of them is about to get sued by Dragonite as well.
We have a holiday on Monday and DGTLF will suspend trading again on the 19th, With the time difference I believe that only leaves Tuesday to buy some of these .07's here in the states. Where it opens again in February I suppose is anyone's guess. I like to refer to Yoda's numbers though.
Good Luck, I hope all goes well with your HK shares.
P.S. all the current links I can gather, and the interim earnings report are in the info box at the top of the page. If you go to Dragonite's website, it's all there as well.
Maybe you can go to the VPCO board and warn them of the impending patent infringement case against them, that has no bearing on SFIO.
Here is another post that I took from an e-cig forum. It might help explain your drop from a different point of view besides my own.
Electronic atomization cigarette
United States Patent 7832410
The invention relates to an electronic atomization cigarette which only contains nicotine without harmful tar. The electronic atomization cigarette includes a shell and a mouthpiece. The external wall of the shell has an air inlet. An electronic circuit board, a normal pressure cavity, a sensor, a vapor-liquid separator, an atomizer, a liquid-supplying bottle are sequentially provided within the shell, wherein the electronic circuit board comprises an electronic switching circuit and a high frequency generator. A stream passage of the sensor is provided on one side of the sensor, and a negative pressure cavity is provided in the sensor. The atomizer and the liquid-supplying bottle is in contact with each other. An atomization cavity is arranged in the atomizer. A retaining ring for locking the liquid-supplying bottle is provided between one side of the liquid-supplying bottle and the shell, and an aerosol passage is provided on the other side of the liquid-supplying bottle. The air inlet, normal pressure cavity, vapor-liquid separator, atomizer, aerosol passage, gas vent and mouthpiece are sequentially interconnected.
The above approved patent is comprehensive. Ruyan has a plan, but only public documents hint at this. Over the last year Ruyan has been through several changes. Their product line was inferior and troubled. They had to refund all their products. They then had to value their inventory as worthless. Their stock price plummeted.
Ruyan has since recapitalized. They hired new experienced officers.Their US patent was approved. In the meantime the whole electronic cigarette market grew by leaps and bounds. However, the market is still a tiny fraction of what it may become.
Ruyan has filed the first major lawsuit. This would seem to be a bonanza for their company (newly renamed Dragonite - yes, a Pokemon character). Surprisingly, the highly depressed stock price has barely moved. Normally, news of this type of lawsuit should cause for speculators to buy big. This has not happened.
This is the beginning.
BTW I was talking about your wheel and I was asking you to tempt me. Have you went back and read all your posts about this company? Oh, they're your only posts ......and those are all about as good as my last contribution. Any other 20 year old cases you can dig up? We might as well get it all out now since you are the info guy.
Broccoli Man has the weekend off, and you should take it too. Packers won I see, nice.
Smokefree is the way I want to be. Later 44
Maybe it is.......please don't tempt me
And the wheel on the bus goes round and round.................
How did you know
assuming you havent mapped everything out on your bedroom wall with a sharpie anyways hahaha [/quote
NO DIVIDEND AND NO PRESS RELEASE MAKE NEWMEDMAN GO CRAZY
HEHEHEHEEEEEHAHAHA
I do not know the extent of China's good stories.
From my standpoint it looks like the company was hurt by the "faux" brands and the fact that the FDA wouldn't allow any imports into the US.
They might have not had all the candy and roses that they were showing until now. The FDA was recently forced to lift their ban on imports that contain nicotine, and the patent is real now. Which might have not been the case 6 mo. ago.
AND IMO When they got that bid from PM, they realized what they really had. One last chance to give it to their "countrymen" before the plane leaves. If they are fighting for their patent they cannot play games anymore. I'm not sure how communist countries work, but they sure do act like capitalists LOL.
They diluted that whole friggin thing right under everyone's nose. But what happens if you complain in China?????? I know. Its not pretty.
The good part is they have no choice but to do it again, because there's too much demand and they can tap the US with that patent now. If you read the interim earnings statement I think you'll see that they are actually selling this as a secured bond with a price of 4.00 HK in May 2011. At least that's what I think I am reading, like I said I could be dead wrong.
But if I'm right then they are raising some MAJOR local capital for the next run to the top. I'm a fan of e-cigs for personal reasons. I just want to see one of these companies succeed for their shareholders and not for their own personal gains. RUYAN/DRAGONITE is soon to be in the spotlight. Only time will tell where they put the money.
As always, these are only my incessant ramblings. Please only take them for what they are
Good Luck to you and GO 329:HK
Some more "bad" news LOL. This usually means we are going up, hence the buzz.
Now don't you go pasting that damn Packer logo everywhere!!!!!!LMAO. Seriously, I hope both our teams win, it just shows the dominance of the NFC "Norris" Division. Post back if you still have problems. GO SFIO
Yeah it took me a minute also. Its basically the signature. The trick is you have to copy and paste the IHub URL that you create in your image gallery. The actual file will not paste properly.
Nice, welcome aboard. I believe Tuesday will be the last day to get in before Feb 8, when the price "could" be tripled IMO
From reading the document, I think they are going after VPCO as well. I think they got the name wrong (Smoking everywhere Inc.) should be Smoke Anywhere Inc. But they listed an address in Florida where VPCO is.
I just noticed this today. Wow.
LMAO, I will forward it along.......It seems there's a new one every week, Thanks for the 20 year old news flash, you have really opened my eyes LOL.
Did anyone else just see ILube's ask move to .01. Maybe we should have them checked out too.LOL
You won't like what you find there either.hahahahahahahaha
Ok I got it, no need for an answer, only one year in jail because he accepted money and gifts from his brother who was obviously the mastermind. SPY ON
Bad Webmaster, Bad LMAO
Being that the case was TWENTY YEARS AGO. Did your DD find an outcome, or just that they pleaded not guilty ? Not that its even the same guy LMAO.
They should really think about changing the name of this board to The Daily Bash, since that's the way its been going around here for the last month. You guys are starting to get real tired and irritating as well.
Very well stated......If CBIS will not hire you, someone will, I hope they don't miss out on your capabilities. Like the military already has
all due respect cnvegas, but we are still talking about Nicaragua right ? Take over control of local gaming parlors? Which cartel will they have to defeat in order to pull that off ?
Seriously, Nicaragua might be a paradise to someone who can afford a private jet and armed bodyguards, but you are talking about the inner cities of a country who makes most of their money in the drug trade. Correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe its the word "takeover" that's got me laughing. A bit strong perhaps?
I would just like to hear in the next PR that the company is progressing and showing positive revenues.
In my DD I have found many different sides to BFHJ and all of them together is what makes this company interesting to me, not just one single aspect. Each entity also has to move one step at a time, and for some in penny land those steps are taking too long.
I personally am holding my shares for now with no intention of selling anytime soon.
I always enjoy reading your posts. I mean no offense by questioning this one.
Good Luck to you.
Good luck josh. They definitely could use a man like you. Let us know how the interview goes. With your background story you should be exactly what CBIS needs. Awesome!!
Thanks for posting here iVan. I'm glad we have someone who holds the actual HK shares, and lives in China as well. Your future perspectives on Dragonite will be greatly appreciated here.
I hope you will be able to recoup your initial investment and a whole lot more. Good luck to you