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Let's see knowslittle, how about rich people that want solid interest rate returns with their investment protected by the Federal Government, anyone you KNOW.
Do you think financial firms will find this hard to sell? Heck I could cold call a few investors and sell that package. If this is the case pick a firm they all love to sell bonds.
If we can produce SUBSIDIZED Ethanol
as mandated in the Energy Bill the profit margin will be expodential. Imagine starting a business with free money and get paid for every drop produced regardless of market conditions.
With gas over $3.00 a gallon oil investors will flock and their pockets are fat these days.
I'm going to fire up a still in my back yard convert my cars and get Uncle Sam to pay for my gas!
Cornerstone event for FFI is bond sales
this will assure investors there is fire below the smoke and the share price will gap and hold. Until then we ride the roller coaster of anticipation.
IMO of course
MX88 income statement?
The buying is relentless....hmmmm
Read it 3 times this AM
very interesting. Anyone know if this is the basis for FFI?
Seems logical
TIA
Read pg. 1541-1545 of the Energy Bill
posted by buylowsellhigh at RB
All I can say is WoW!
30,000 at 1.19 hmmm
Makin why do you like MLNK? TIA
Just a blurb
CNBC talking heads talking about biomass & Ethanol
Traders need to be taken out at these levels
to start the next leg.
yep 1.27 then 1.52
Buying strength is incredible!
Nice volume this morning
Nice call Nuke great close!
You said Mon. would be good nuke:)
Sure hope those folks pull through,
a 28' surge in New Orleans would be terrible.
I hold 3 oil 1 gas company so tomorrow should be very interesting to say the least.
Check out this clip
http://broadcast.organicframework.com/p/General-Motors-Cars-Gas-from-Trash___309,2585.html
Sure hope some of this buzz is real, looks like several players getting in this game. Guess it's to be expected given the governments recent Energy Billions passing.
Here's a chemicle company getting
in the game? Sure hope those folks in Louisiana make it through this hurricane OK.
By Ann Pierceall
Herald-Whig Staff Writer
LOUISIANA, Mo. — Negotiations are under way to build a
$115 million waste-to-energy facility — the first in Missouri — and develop an eco-industrial park in Louisiana.
Mark Twain Waste and Energy Corporation and Hercules Inc., a chemical plant in Louisiana, are negotiating a deal that could lead to an environmentally friendly facility to replace the 65-year-old coal-fired power plant used by Hercules. The plant also provides power for neighboring Dyno Nobel, which makes ammonia nitrate.
An eco-industrial park also could be developed on about 120 acres in the industrial park that also houses Hercules. There has been interest in building an ethanol plant on that location.
Drex Rothweiler, executive director of the Mark Twain Waste and Energy Corporation, said the plan has been on the drawing board for 10 years. He said public meetings will likely be scheduled in the next month, when details of the potential project will be released.
Rothweiler said the facility would burn renewable fuel instead of fossil fuel, so "it helps the global warming situation." He said the facility would have the ability to burn about 1,000 tons of garbage a day.
"I can stress it will be burning only regular garbage, nothing toxic," he said.
Rothweiler said there's not enough trash generated in Northeast Missouri — only about 200 tons per day — to meet the facility's requirements. But he said local haulers and other large trash providers would be contracted to deliver enough material to meet the facility's needs.
Replacing the coal-fired plant with a cleaner-burning fuel means the removal of more than 7,000 tons of sulfur dioxide from the air, he said.
Rob Malnight, plant manager at Hercules, said the time was right to restart negotiations on the project.
"This has always been a good idea," he said. "There are significant benefits for the community — both economical and environmental."
However, Malnight cautioned that "it's not a done deal ... but we're making a push to make it happen." He admits the Hercules power plan its "pretty old" and needs a "significant upgrade" to remain as it is.
Rothweiler said the $115 million price tag is a rough estimate. "Our construction costs are being re-evaluated because of the increase cost of steel and cement in recent years," he said.
An ethanol plant could also buy power from the waste-to-energy facility. Rothweiler declined to comment on a possible ethanol plant, other than to say "we've been approached by an ethanol group."
Mark Twain Waste and Energy Corporation is a non-profit organization formed to make use of waste-to-energy technology to assist with municipal solid waste disposal and provide an alternative to landfills.
Contact Staff Writer Ann Pierceall at apierceall@whig.com or (573) 221-5879.
Here's a good read, note the .51 subsidy
I believe the government is kickin in large to build these plants too. I suspect our production costs are below the subsidy as the price target was developed for feed stock production not TRASH. Valuable trash....who'd a thunk it.
BTWY Nuke that's a nice looking chart if you don't follow it daily:)
Sent By: Amaunet Date: 8/26/2005 10:10:15 PM
Ethanol a real option to high gas prices
The solution to today's skyrocketing price of gasoline lies in a fuel that can be made from the amber waves of grain growing in America's heartland.
This fuel, called ethanol, is usually made from corn, but it can be made from sugar cane from Louisiana, canola from North Dakota or sorghum from Kansas. Though it hasn't gained popularity, this fuel can free us from the tyranny of high prices, dependence on foreign oil and toxic pollutants. President Bush recently signed the energy bill into law, which will almost double ethanol production from 2006 to 2012. Nevertheless, this action alone will not change things. It's up to consumers to buy ethanol and seek its increased availability.
The two most common types of ethanol fuel are E10 and E85. E10 is 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline, which can be used in cars like regular gasoline but is 5 cents cheaper per gallon. E85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline and is 40-50 cents cheaper per gallon.
Flexible-fuel vehicles can run on gasoline, 10% ethanol, 85% ethanol or whatever fuel is available. More than 25 flexible-fuel models have been produced by automobile manufacturers since 1990.
Why then isn't ethanol use taking off?
For one, availability. I recently took a trip to Detroit in a rented flex-fuel car. I did have difficulty finding E85 the farther I traveled from the Midwest, but it didn't slow me down because I simply used regular gasoline.
Another reason ethanol hasn't caught on is the difficulty of marketing it. Producers must rely on filling stations that distribute gasoline to sell their competing product. But as ethanol use becomes more popular, more filling stations will provide it.
Already, more than 100 ethanol plants have cropped up across America's heartland. Eleven are in my home state of South Dakota, including one owned by VeraSun Energy, one of the nation's top ethanol producers.
This ethanol plant has breathed new life into Aurora, S.D., a town of 500 people, by creating about 100 jobs since it opened last year. There is a federal subsidy of 51 cents per gallon to provide incentive for ethanol producers. The old way of life of raising corn for feed and seed is no longer the main way to utilize corn.
Ethanol is non-toxic, water soluble and biodegradable. Use of ethanol can reduce toxic emissions such as carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and benzene. Traditional gasoline is just too expensive on our pocketbooks and our environment. Instead, we can boost our economy and lessen our dependence on foreign oil by switching to this promising fuel.
Lois Hattonis a columnist and writer who lives in Brookings, S.D.
Of course they did Tom good call Nuke
All I know knows is I expect great
things to unfold this fall.
China, India, Africa, South America, the United States monopoly on consumption doesn't exist any longer with globalization taking place, realy is common sence don't you think?
$20.00 oil is gone gone gone this trend has been building for years not months or weeks.
As for this new segment NSOL is persuing I suspect we will see active outside participants or there would be no reason for a separate entity, BOD and FFI management team.
Just a hunch, we shall see
Showing real strength Tom:)
That is from the high not the open
I agree Nuke volume
is slowing and price is stable, Mon. could be a popper!
Let's see if the MM's try to put a down tick on the close.
Ot Guru did you join me on HEC?
took a positiion at .50
USGL still breaking down any idea where the bottom is?
TIA
Will they make me hit the ball straight:)
.94, .98, 1.09 Nuke is good with charts
any opinion? Looks to be comming to a cross over, flagging in the .80's as the range tightens.
We shall see
Tom, someone knows something
Mucho accumulation last couple months:)
Yep buying on the ask once again .90
is resistance not for long.
Knows, what is new is $3.00 gas and the realization
that oil isn't going back to $20.00 a barrel. This makes alternatives viable and profitable. No one with a brain grows a business unless they can make a profit. Let's not forget this is a global problem and the government is concerned thus the multi billion $ investment.
Oh ya I forgot the Bush family and the Saudis created this conspiracy and it's all a big lie, a billion Chines are not buying cars and the 3rd world is not exploding into the global economy.
Tom IMO about to punch $100.00 and split SUN
already did and is climbing also.
Ethanol is going to look cheap by next fall, bring on the deal.
Last year our chart bottomed in August, would like to see us hover in this range for a couple more weeks then make it's move
after Labor Day when everyone is back at their screens.
I know I know....lol now that's funny!
$68.00 brings out the gamblers
Why not, oil projected to be $80.00 by next spring.
Any news on the Wheeler Dealer legal front?
Can't recall how much production got diverted to Wheeler and Sons, anyone?
TIA, STL
Simple logic is not easily understood by some
an expanding global economy and populations add up to increased demand.
The value of ethanol will expand with oil and production can be calculated based upon productivity not which hole may have oil in it. This takes the risk out of the equation.
If this technology works it will be the ultimate gold mine IMO
Ever watch Thunder Dome....lol
What do a thermonuclear physicist and trash have in common?
Sludge Watch ==> auto fuel from garbage and sludge
M Reilly maureen.reilly at sympatico.ca
Tue May 10 10:35:48 EDT 2005
Garbage to run cars gets in gear
By Ron Wiggins
Palm Beach Post Staff Columnist
Sunday, May 08, 2005
Did you read about the New Jersey scientist who makes tear gas out of
garbage?
You pour it into your gas tank and it makes oil sheiks cry.
If the story sounds familiar it may be because you read it here last year,
when Seymour and Bernice Paul of Boynton Beach called to tell me that their
son, the Princeton University thermonuclear physicist, had developed a
gasoline-from-garbage process. I called him at his research lab for the
scoop.
Yes indeed. Stephen Paul, 51, told me he had spent nine years developing the
cost-efficient cook book chemistry for turning biomass into 90-octane fuel
for cars and trucks.
He developed the method on his own time, he said, because oil is running out
and we generate plenty of garbage. Enough garbage if turned into automobile
fuel, he said, to replace 15 percent of the gas we consume.
"I named it P-Series fuel in honor of Princeton University," he said last
year. "In 1999, P-Series fuel was designated a renewable energy automotive
fuel for Flexible Fuel Vehicles by the Department of Energy."
That was the good news. The bad news is that gasoline-from-garbage would
have to wait until gasoline went above $2 a gallon and stayed there before
P-Series fuel could compete at the pump.
Looks like we've waited long enough.
It was time to call the researcher for a progress report.
Paul had news, much of it good in a personally terrifying way.
"I owe $2.2 million now, and with luck, I'll owe another $46 million in a
few months."
Paul and a few investors have founded the Trenton Fuel Works LLC and bought
themselves a sludge plant.
The sludge plant, with a few tens of millions of dollars of tinkering, will
be capable of pumping out enough P-Series fuel to power 15,000 cars and
trucks. Built in 1992 at a cost of $88 million, the plant was supposed to
extract sludge from sewage and make fertilizer pellets for Trenton and
neighboring towns at a site on Duck Island in the Delaware River. The
project failed and Trenton was willing to sell the turkey.
Once financing is established, the Duck Island cooker will "digest" millions
of tons of liquefied biomass and paper waste into a slippery chemical soup
equivalent to light crude oil. Paul hopes that will come to pass within two
years and present Trenton Fuel Works with enviable choices:
1. Sell garbage crude at $50 a barrel.
2. Further process the crude to make a variety of industrial solvents and
chemical agents selling for up to $6 a pound.
3. Get the P-Series fuel necessary to create a market for domestic
clean-burning, renewable automotive fuel as government and individuals buy
Flexible Fuel Vehicles that omnivorously burn both gasoline and renewable
fuels.
P-Series fuel, its developer explained, is a blend of hydrocarbons that are
extracted from natural gas, alcohol and ethers made from garbage and 45
percent farm-grown ethanol.
Investors want guarantees
The synthetic gasoline not only promises to stay cheaper than gasoline but
also burns much cleaner.
"P-Series fuel burns so clean that, when we changed the oil on our test
vehicles, the old oil was still yellow and clear," he said. (The test
vehicles were Paul's own Taurus and five City of Philadelphia fleet cars.
Paul is quick to note that, although the science of mining energy from
garbage is established, it is a challenge getting start-up money from
investors.
"Investment bankers are like any other bankers," he said. "They want more
than projections. They want to see a track record. We don't have one."
Paul and his partners have calculated that it will cost about $10 million a
year to operate their plant, and that they can sell the byproducts of their
garbage crude for $20 million, even without producing automotive fuel.
However, if the company can introduce P-Series fuel to the market and show
motorists a clean-burning middle octane fuel for $2 a gallon, they will ramp
up production.
Again, these are projections. Investors want assurances. New Jersey drivers
will have to be taught that they have the option to order FFVs in several
models from Ford Chrysler and General Motors at no extra cost (see
www.standardalcohol.com for models).
But wouldn't P-Series fuel compete with farm state fuel blends that use
corn-based alcohol?
No, Paul said. "If P-Series fuel succeeds, we become agriculture's best
market for ethanol."
'Steel stomach' is hungry
Paul was amused when I asked whether there would be any problem getting
garbage delivered to the Duck Island sludge plant. Most dumps, he said,
charge tipping fees.
"Are you kidding? Every day, hundreds of trucks loaded with garbage stream
out of New York City anddrive hundreds of miles to find a landfill, and then
they have to pay."
The entrepreneur described Trenton's massive sludge extractor as "a great
big steel stomach" that digests liquefied garbage:
"We take biodegradable vegetable matter — paper, twigs, sawdust, waste from
bakeries, cafeterias and flower shops and supermarkets — grind it up in
water with a little acid and heat, and on the other end we get a product we
can sell to industry or turn into P-Series fuel."
And if P-Series fuel succeeds, will the Trenton Fuel Works' big steel
stomachs eventually come to Florida to digest our refuse?
Florida's concentration of ag industry with its sugar cane and citrus pulp
wastes near population centers make it an untapped reservoir of garbage oil,
Paul said. Why drill offshore when we can just take out the trash?
We might need a new slogan if New Jersey doesn't beat us to it:
Florida — the Oklahoma of Garbage Crude.
Could this be the connection to NUCLEAR solutions?
We shall see
I know someone who gets royalties from dump methane
but the production levels are relatively low.
Should be interesting to learn how FFI gets it done.
We now know why management has been
tied down in recent months. PR says separate management team for this division so this may move fast if Devito is in charge as he is a veteran in funding and business expansion.