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Just like I predicted a long time ago. Reverse split!! Dilution after dilution.
But, here is the other issue, they're seeking to increase the authorized. Does everyone understand what this means? MORE DILUTION!!
It's one thing to reverse and then no further dilution! That would be a constructive split but when your planning on diluting more, Well what do you think happens to the pps? Exactly!!
I predicted a long time ago , THAT DILUTION AFTER DILUTION AFTER DILUTION EQUALS A REVERSE SPLIT!!!
Now, if they don't continued to dilute the PPS can recover but I doubt that they'll stop.
IMHO it's just a matter of time!
I guess the genius from the Shark Tank was a waste of money huh!
Just the facts! We will see!
Member one it doesn't take that long for permits on moderate improvements!
Secondly, not from what I have been told. Outside the BOD!! Lol
PS said distillery didn't its. Now they need a special licenses? Get real ! And yeah I'm whining all the way to the bank with VPLM. Lol. You don't even want to know! Too funny!
I'll give an update on the gate at the plant next month.
Thanks but $ 2.00 PPS is not the same value when the outstanding share structure is completely different. And that number used in the CC, was when it was Dignafonica, not Voip-Pal.com. And their share structure was drastically lower.
Sorry but facts are facts. You can't compare the value this way. I'd love $ 2.00 a share. Sure I believe it should be much higher but, we all need to be realistic. And if wrong, you'll be that much happier. AGAIN, I was using the fully authorized as an example, which appears to have been a correct assumption.
I am sure most would agree.
You maybe surprised!
I doubt it takes that long. My friend is a builder and after he stopped laughing about the length of time, he said no it doesn't take that long. It's an existing building. No cars and gates shut! I believe the company should keep investors informed.
As for not reporting news well that seems like it speaks for itself. Because there wasn't any news to report. And after a shareholders meeting? Get real.
No I'm going to watch and sell how dilution occurs and then maybe get back in. Oh I don't know, around the high teens or so.
Hey JC RI please read my posts. Especially the one that illustrates how important and the difference in how the share structure is used to determine the PPS.
If some are so determine to undermine me for being correct then so be it. The difference in O/S isn't going to chance anyone's decision to buy more shares. Now is it?
I would assume he is but the investor relations guy didn't seem interested.
As for the plant, big red flag Big one
How about the investors that couldn't go? Guessing the wasn't anything important or good to reports!
CEO just to clarify that I was correct doesn't make me connected to the company . I'm a long time investor and educated as well. Share Structure is public information!!!!!
When a company authorizes the shares, you can pretty much assume the full amount or close to it will be used!
AGAIN, my use of the 901 million was to just illustrate that turning down $ 2.00 a shares by a BOD, isn't the same now, as when the outstanding was drastically lower.
CEO, I believe he just posted..."per Sam"!!
And now your still disagreeing. 894 million....WOW. I expected and anticipated when authorized was raised, that it issued to at least the high 800 million. And I was correct, again.
Yes I have called the investment relations guy four to five times and never got a response back.
Why isn't the plant up and running and why no update on the meeting?
CEO, Toobigtojail, now what do you have to say? Wasn't I correct?
Imagine that! lol lol
Way too funny!!
Clueless So your acknowledging me that I am correct?
Also, any updates on the Miami meeting? Why didn't they have it close to this new plant? Or at it? Seemed like it would be a great place to have a shareholder meeting?
Or that's right, it wasn't open at the time!
You'll need it. Are there any updates on the opening of this new plants?
I'll go by again next month when I'm up there. And keep an update! IMHO when a company purchases a new plant and there is no life to be seen, red flags go up. Maybe they were out to lunch.
Made me sell and take my profits!! I'll wait for dilution and maybe buy back in! IMHO
Why was there no cars and the gate shut the last time I drove by the new winery they purchased in Florida, a months or ago!! And this was 11:30 in the morning.
Looked vacant! I sold at $ .35. Not a good sign!
Clueless # 1 I never said more than 901 million and secondly You may want to call again. Lol
Well if you read my original post ( yeah the one that got a few very defensive) I used the 901 million as a reference to someone comparing that a board member didn't sell when it was at $ 2.00. The outstanding share structure at that time, wasn't where it is now. And although not fully diluted it's closer than what some think (or know ). Trust me.
We'll you should go back and re-read my post. I forgot I should have stated IMHO
But expect the most and I'm confident it'll be much higher than what you think it is!!
How about just calling the TA. They' should be able to give an up to date count. It's public information. Not really too sure what the difference would be. Nothing's been finalized yet.
IRYazman, why do I need to do that. Your agreeing with me. Aren't you? All I have said when everything is said and done, the total should be fully diluted. What is it that you don't understand.
You may want to check.
Toobigtojail. Right which is great but then the O/S almost tripled. Simple math.
Toobigtojaik I realize you wouldn't. If you want to keep believing that's the reason by all means, go ahead!!
The number of others I have discussed this with, understand dilution. And they agree with me. The question is when is enough is enough?
I seriously doubt that's correct AND as well as it being the final total!
Yeah but the share structure is calculated to determine the PPS. And by the way, the more O/S the less our value. If you didn't already know that. And it's tripled since last year!.....I know, I know they needed to, to finalize the deal!!
I don't have the time to do the math.
I'm glad someone finally understands! Thanks jimr1717
Just relax and count on it being close to fully diluted or within millions. Watch
And not by the time it's acquired? Companies do dilute after their reports! Lol. Especially since one.
CEO not unless you want an updated count!!
I seriously doubt that. Expect the total authorized to be included or close to it. Call the transfer agent.
JUST COMMON SENSE! 901 TOTAL AUTHORIZED and current outstanding is not far behind. Call the transfer agent. PUBLIC INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They need to line their pockets!
Positive NRG...Simply put; It's called share structure!!
They didn't have 901 million outstanding shares (Which is what they'll probably have when everything is said and done.)
You have to take this into consideration. How many outstanding shares did they have when it was at $ 2.00?
Alert: I believe I heard on the news today that Sprint is buying T-Mobile for $ 20 billion. Maybe this will put a more realistic value on VPLM.
Keep dreaming, you'll only be disappointed in the end. Be more realistic, you be happier if it does sell more than your anticipating.
I'd love the $ 4-5 range but, I'd rather be conservative. And, yes, if these patents are what they say that are, it's possible. But, I don't believe in the time frame we're all hoping for, it will happen.
I believe that I mentioned that. Didn't I ?
CEO, not sure but, I believe if any suitors in fact have a NDA, then I don't believe they're allowed to be buying up shares at these prices.
Just think, if they could and offers are in the works, then why wouldn't the volume be high and the price be moving drastically? Just a thought!
The bottom line is, that no one (investment community) really knows how to calculate how the implementation of these patents will generate REVENUE!!!! This has been my point all along, hence the current PPS. I mean, we're talking billions of dollars for an acquisition and it's currently valued at only $ 180 million.
I am excited about the possibilities, as we all are. And yes, I have imagined and fantasized about ridiculous offers but, I believe it's best to be more realistic than disappointed. Because there is nothing that us shareholders can do to force the hand of any Fortune 500 company. Not even the power of positive thinking! Sorry IMHO
I doubt it. Please explain your bases of determining your fantasy PPS?