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Where is CE and luxury (watches/Jewlery)? In every 10Q filed.
LQMT has not received a waiver. Apple has to grant a waiver for LQMT to enter into new CE agreements. On the other hand Eontec, does not need a waiver. They were already manufacturing parts for CE with at least 2 other mobile phone manufacturers. EON the parent company of Eontec has many subsidiaries. It is quite amazing how technology from patents are distributed and trickle down all over the globe. Some of these actions lead to lawsuits, others are to expensive and too exhausting to pursue.
LQMT would have mislead their shareholders if it were discovered that: A. They were pursuing CE without one and B. They were pursuing CE with one and did not disclose this. Your talking a huge problem for LQMT, if you believe they were granted a waiver.
Look at their business model. Look at the areas they are exploring as stated in their financial statements and website. They are not pursuing CE. When they get a waiver they can announce it and issue a NDA. Then all of us can speculate. Now if Eontec were granted a waiver, that is fine. But LQMT would not see a penny. Specifically, what amount would LQMT receive? 1%, 5%, 10%? Would not Li be in a position of conflict of interest if he violates the LQMT/Eontec agreements? What is he going to do sue himself? Who determines proper compensation to the shareholders of LQMT?
I don’t see Eontec violating the agreements. I do see other companies making and assembling the products that reach our shores.
As usual I could be wrong.
No degree? and a lifeguard? He’s overqualified!
Li who???ZZZzzz ZZZzzz ZZZzzz
Speaking of hush hush. Why has LQMT not acknowledged what the relationship is between them and...http://www.interreg-icap.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ICAP_20180126_BERTUNA_Protec.pdf
This was a link from a LQMT page. The link was gone after I posted it here around May 8.
Now it is quite possible I dreamt this all up and just happened to find the link on my own. But even if knew of the other company ‘s existence, I could not find a link to the link above on the other company’s website. I must be sleepwalking.
I mean why have a contract which states, we would see revenues if these products hit our patented soil?
In my previous reply to you and for all to know. In so many words... The companies of China that run with the government’s influence do not operate in the same way that our companies run with government regulations. The agreements between LQMT and Eontec are not binding on the other companies manufacturing LM parts that reach North America with stolen/shared secrets.
Historically, corrupt America made corrupt deals, paid for by powerful and greedy companies by buying influence from elected representatives. This is easy for many to understand. In essence (I hate discussing politics), the people believe there are two distinct political parties. But that only exists in ideological terms. On terms of greed and corruption there is only one party, the party of favors and reelection, and that takes money, and since most elected officials do not have the money to be re-elected. They do have favors to sell. Thus you have fair trade agreements uninforced. This hurts the LQMT/Eontec agreements. Eontec is not going to violate the agreements. China will do it by circumventing Eontec, with other companies using the technology. It may be illegal here. But in China? No. As I stated previously. Companies work for the success of China. On paper it looks just like our system of capitalism. In reality, it is not.
But there form of capitalism has been very successful and profitable for them. It may not be fair, but they could not do it without our complicity. Like I said, I hate discussing politics. But many small companies like LQMT, are in the same boat. China does not care which (company)one stands in their country or ours or which one falls. They care only that they(China) stand no matter who is bringing home the bacon. As our current president repeats many times...don’t blame them.
The good news is that when you look at the many other industries out there, that are not CE, it is clear as night is to day, that there is enough money out there and demand in the works that will rock this stock onto the otc. The frustration and whining for the most part is a result of LQMT, and not so much of the willingness for long term shareholders to wait.
Just reaffirms my position. LQMT receives nada zip zero zilch from CE. I don’t want to speculate on what China does with the patents. But whatever they earn is theirs to keep. None of it flows back to LQMT without a waiver from Apple per the MTA. The waiver would be part of a NDA, you will not receive a heads up.
Apparently mr. Li, still thought it wise to keep LQMT open for the other industries that may use LQMT. The potential may be enough to get back his investment costs and perhaps earn a profit. Now all know why he stressed patience.
If lm is as big as the article infers. Then you may see lawsuits flying from Apple. But it is going to be impossible to win a case against China circumventing the MTA with LQMT via Eontec. Especially when China disseminates the paid for Eontec patents to other entities to manufacture lm. Capitalism in China is not the same as capitalism in the USA. Over here its each company for themselves. In China it is each company for China. The Chinese government does not sue itself for steeling patents.
Just read your post Gorgol. You and your loved ones will always be in our prayers as I am sure you are in the prayers of many. Deeply saddened by your 4K result. At the same time I am glad to see, that throughout your ordeal, that you are able to put your priorities in order as best you can. Your comments will be missed. The insights, the humor, the wisdom and reflections. All of it will be missed. You especially, will be missed. If during this time you remember us, do drop us a line. May God and his holy family bless you and keep you. Stay in good spirits. With all of God’s blessings.
Researchfyi.
Ok, as long as delerium is setting in. How about putting Liquidmetal numbers on the rumba vacuum cleaner. That will save a lot of energy and extend battery life.
It would be appropriate if they reply.
Joshuaeyu, I think you have something there. Rather than LQMT looking externally for 1 client. Maybe they should look internally at 100 million clients. All they have to do is design an enclosed bouncing ball ( like a pin ball) toy under their brand, and get it ready to market it for Christmas. It can take off like a rubic’s cube, a cabbage patch doll or just think, a Liquidmetal slap hockey, hockey puck. Try catching that rascal.
Send that information to LQMT as they are still trying to weld and test Amorphous metal. There problems with various welding methods causes crystallization of the AM.
So far the pros and cons for amorphous metal using the LQMT formula. AM cannot be welded to another metal except to itself. It looses its properties and weakens. Thus for now AM are only applicable to a whole part and mechanically must be fitted (threaded screwed or placed) to other parts. This limits it’s applications. On the plus side there are endless parts in use today where parts are not welded but are stand alone pieces used to assist or join other parts to enhance there performance. Be it a gear or a washer or spring, medical or auto etc.
There are millions of uses for AM parts that LQMT is trying to exploit in various industries. They must focus on smal parts not larger than about 6 inches. This is not due to AM limitations but rather machine limitations and the lack of money to build equipment to make larger prototypes. For that you would need millions and a guaranteed demand in advance. A defense contractor would have those type of funds and demand for such a machine.
I/we, are for LQMT succeeding and often are critical in the way LQMT, their executives have performed. But setting all of their faults aside, and their fat unjustified salaries, we should be able to see that they are not showing up at work and just twiddling their thumbs all day.
There has to be an element of frustration for them day after day, week after week, and month after month in failures to nail down a contract worthy of a PR and respect to their shareholders.
There are millions of parts, that can be made by companies using the LQMT process. It is very difficult for me (and perhaps all here as well) to grasp why they are trying to do this one(prototype) part at a time, one company at a time, year after year. It is totally frustrating from a shareholders point of view to see this go on and on and at the same time not understand why they, LQMT, have not changed their marketing strategy.
I would like to believe they have already secured a deal, but their past history and existing executives do not permit me to conclude that, this is the case. Mr Li ‘s silence does not help. We believe he has invested to make money for all of his companies. His LQMT investment seems to have encountered obstacles causing delays. If a company like LQMT, a B.B. micro cap cannot disclose what the obstacles are.
We here, who are also very intelligent, cannot help them to remove the obstacles or find a remedy if LQMT is not forthcoming IMO. There are many posters here who have experience in the business world and can help. But they say you cannot clap with one hand and that is how many here feel about LQMT, when it comes to their release of information.
There are many pros and cons to this investment, this dice roll. Whether the pps is at .06 or .25 the pros and cons remain the same. The speculations and frustrations remain the same and so will the silence, until they nail down a contract or contracts worthy of our respect and investments.
Good luck to all. 2018 looks like momentum is building for success. We all should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel this year.
Back to DD. Way before Eontec explored medical parts back in 2002 and 2012 LQMT explored medical parts as well. Here are the companies. Here is the link. P Hauck with the advancement to the original formula in LM, what happened? Shareholders would like to know!
https://www.mddionline.com/could-liquidmetal-be-newest-miracle-material-medical
Let’s see. There are an excess of 400,000,000 million shares floating out there and the chatter is about an option of a little over 1,000,000 shares. Are we joking? Folks, this is not a big deal. A 1/4 of 1% of outstanding shares, will not float anyone’s boat.
I know all cylinders are not functioning in my brain and many here will vouch for that last statement. But gossiping over this option is not DD. Its a reflection that nothing new is going on. At least not here. On the other hand it also shows there are some very sharp people here, who will not let LQMT get away with squat, and that is a good thing. Thank heavens for posters like Out The Window, Eagle 1947, And many others here.
Good luck to all.
Can LM be welded? For those familiar with LQMT’s latest design guide. On pages 79 and 80 LQMT briefly covers this important topic. Notice the topic is placed near the end of the 84 page guide, and for good reason.
Here is a LQMT link to a more detailed review, including the material that did not make it into the latest design guide, and for good reason too.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/welding/
Those inclined to engineering will appreciate the link. Those not into engineering will also appreciate the total picture.
The design guide link can be found in much earlier posts.
I think the dogs of the marketing VP, also wears Rolex watches. Companies like Rolex, and there are others, be it the auto industry or jewelry industry, do not sell to or market to the masses. They are not impacted by a recession. It’s a statement, status and a bit ego. But niche companies do make products of perfection and wealth.
By the way, who the heck is buying LQMT today?
Rolex operates in it’s own small world. If you think its taking LQMT, a long time to announce something new. Rolex has them beat by decades. Getting Rolex to invest in new materials is like getting LQMT, to invest in new marketing.
Ceramics and metals used in aviation has been around for quite some time. About 10 years ago it trickled down into the watch industry. But so far Rolex does not use lm.
Rolex does not use a liquid metal alloy.
Unlike Las Vegas; What happens in China! Does not stay in China! The post was meant for all interested to learn. Ideas shared evolve.
Eontec learned from LQMT and now is sharing those ideas to grow to expand. What happens there! Will happen here!
My thoughts are not worth noting. What is going on in the world of CE, May be. If LQMT is ever given a waiver by Apple, the already in place Eontec relationship, is an asset. This may happen at any time. It all depends on when LM is touted as a advantage by a top tier Apple competitor. A spring on a SIM card or home button obviously did not cut it.
In a earlier post, my opinion of the 2 sales (amputations) we’re done to survive. Poor marketing skills lead to these two catastrophic monetary decisions. LQMT in the past two years has burned through 40% of it’s cash.
LQMT should be able to seal the deal this year. Will they? No one knows. Have they learned from past mistakes? Again, no one knows. Their behavior doesn’t reflect they have. Their pps supports my opinion. It is a reflection of how they are truly operating.
For the CE geeks here! The following link will keep you busy all weekend long and lead you to other stories and links, perhaps generating more posts with more links and more questions. Just keep in mind LQMT amputated it’s CE heart and gave it to Apple, and then amputated their patent legs and gave it all to Eontec.
http://m.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2144366/xiaomis-smartphone-shipments-double-ahead-ipo-ztes-slump-half
Sharing information is good. Sharing hype and speculation, not so good. Dreams are ok.
Good luck to all
I posted it to crack people up, not their cars, keep your eyes on the bumper.
New science revealed! LQMT evaporates $25 million, see financials for details. I think there is a law against burning money, isn’t there?
In other news mr. Li seen buying stock in anti migraine headache manufactures. An unknown source confirms mr. Li is still out buying cigarettes and milk. May be Not feeling well. Can’t find the way back home.
Shareholders still in shock over expected and anticipated uneventful 10Q. Many cannot believe the SOS rhetoric and have frozen themselves and their LQMT positions. Others who have been down this road many times have sold some stock.
At the same time, some think its cool for the Co. not to respond to shareholder’s questions and may be enamored by the new ceo. Others make up nonsensical excuses for the lack of respect. Reminds me of the people who trusted Bernard Madoff. (Well maybe that’s a stretch), But you get the meaning. Sort of like, when you try to have a conversation and the other party turns their back. You know the deal; They understand, but feel for you.
The pps still pumped up on hype, rumors, and expectations. Kind of defines what P. Hauck has been saying.
Basically nothing new. Not bad, not good. Just moving along.
Does this sum up the mood?
Remember how we feel has nothing to do with the pps.
When a company does not respond to legitimate shareholders inquiries, it tends to lead to frustration and to doubt the company ‘s credibility and integrity. Executives giving an appearance of hiding under the desks are never a good way to promote confidence and hold onto or attract new investors or clients. It gives off a feeling of mistrust. Not a good sign for all involved with LQMT. Just my opinion, which is always worth less than the pps.
I get the 10Q totally. No big deal. I get the pps drop. The drop in pps value coincides with the burn rate, income rate and new value of the company. The nonsense outlook gibberish decreases the prospective value, by stating in so many words, we have nothing new to say other than the can and pipeline just got kicked down the road once again (not that there won’t be success). It just will take longer.
As far as Li, goes, and I could be wrong, its simple. We just have to deal with the facts! In the same way, more or less, that LQMT sold it’s CE rights to Apple (forever) in perpetuity for $20 million, (except by a waiver from Apple) is the same way LQMT, gave up all rights and patent rights to sell any product or license in Asia, for $64 million so that they can use the LQMT brand. It is what China does. No surprise. Li, stated that he likes to meet shareholders after the open house. Really? The last communications from Li, was a New Years blog and a reply to a poster, I believe do to embarrassment. No PR, No Shareholders Conferences after financial reports. Does that sound like a person with shareholders on his mind? Does this sound like a company that wants to communicate with its shareholders or give off an appearance of hiding under the desk?
Remember this is a B.B. stock struggling to succeed. They may or may not know how to market themselves to become successful, so they self amputate in the effort to survive. But there is no excuse for not replying to their shareholders questions, period! All of us are aware of the failures, there should be no shame.
This is not a post to be negative. It is just an observation and an effort to put issues in a orderly fashion with facts and not with feelings.
I also believe that based on the facts momentum is building and that LQMT will start seeing increasing revenues this year and yes they would be doing all a favor by hiring a well known marketing firm.
2018 Good luck to all.
This link I believe was posted earlier on this board by another poster: https://www.liquidmetal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/WhatisLQMGuide_v8_Web.pdf
And this next link was posted by me a couple of days ago. It was a link connected with LQMT. After my post, the link can’t be found at this time on the LQMT site. It is important. Read each link with regards to the PVD process. I posted the relationship with PROTECTIM as a new partnership. Perhaps LQMT released the information to soon and took it down. I’m not sure: http://www.interreg-icap.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ICAP_20180126_BERTUNA_Protec.pdf
It is a antibacterial protective finish that is used on metal surfaces.
More like Lucy pulling away the football on Charlie Brown, than Christmas.
The math or not one sold?
Anyone can predict a heatwave with sustained 90° temps.
Oh, and one more thing. Don’t blame P. Hauck, who is extremely intelligent, for being placed in the wrong job position. That is the responsibility of the ceo. Not everyone who is extremely intelligent, can play the piano, but Paul, sure does know how to play a mean violin!
And by the way, just where the heck is the ceo? Buella, Buella, Buella Li’s day off? Next time you send Li out for cigarettes and milk, take away the passport, put an ankle bracelet on him or a tracking chip. After all he has about 216 (shareholders) children here, he is supposed to be taking care of. His absence is making me feel like he has abandoned his children. Is there a B.B. STOCK SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, that we can report him to?
Anyway LQMT is doing just fine. The 10Q was not a surprise. The outlook was condescending. And overall at this point in time without PR, I would not buy more or sell shares. Of course everyone must make that decision.
2018 Good luck to all.
I still say Hauck, could sell out Carnegie Hall. He’s been selling tickets for a long long time and many here have bought those tickets.
Will someone please fix the xerox copier? I keep getting the same financial report, with the same BS company outlook, but with newer dates.
So I was on line again at that 7-11 where I met mr. Li, and I saw this beautiful young woman talking with an Italian accent in front of me. I couldn’t help myself, so to get her attention, I so softly said: Bella...bellamisima. She turned around, smiled and introduced herself just to be polite.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=OIP.3H3kNOHTEcECaWKDn8GhyAAAAA&pid=15.1
I said aren’t you that brilliant professor, that works for PROTECTIM? She replied yes, and aren’t you researchfyi, that posts on the ihub LQMT page? I confessed. Professor Bertuna, then discretely handed me a note and walked out and into a limousine. I thought I saw mr. Li inside too.
Anyway here is the note: http://www.interreg-icap.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ICAP_20180126_BERTUNA_Protec.pdf
Good luck to all, arrivedurci
2018
Shhhhhh(medical)
OKPJ, Let me sum that up for you. They have LQMT ‘s patents.
!FLA$H! !NEW$! LQMT has a new partner! PROTECTIM.
SAM2X5-630, may be the reason LQMT was shutout from many military deals. Developed around 2015.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/whatislm/ Do some of these look familiar?
Josh, that’s the LQMT design guide 4. ?? In the lower left corner. And showing CE parts to boot.
Bumped into mr. Li, on line at a 7-11 to buy some milk and a pack of cigarettes. He said to me politely, to tell anyone who wants to sell, to sell and anyone who wants to wait to wait. He then rubbed his forehead with his hand and said.... you know, after reading all of the posts here, there are not enough aspirin, Motrin or Tylenol in the world to cure this headache I have...and then he was gone.
2018, hang on news is coming. Something big is brewing.
Good luck to all
Sshhhhhhh (CE) don’t say a word!
With the best technology, weather cannot accurately be predicted. Earthquakes and volcanoes included. So without the technology to date to predict this equity ‘s future and with a record of inconsistent growth, clients, partnerships, revenues, product timeframes, leadership changes and competition. How can anyone with any kind of accuracy predict where the pps will be tomorrow. The answer is no one can period.
However, with facts and not hype, with facts and not hope, with facts and not rumors, all of us can learn and ascertain and expect the direction of where the pps might go, barring a unforeseen event.
We know LQMT received 64 million in cash. We know new space was acquired, the doors were not closed. We know new equipment was acquired. We know a new partner was acquired. We know of two new clients using the LQMT technology. We know LQMT attends industrial events. We ascertain that the investment was to make a profit. We know LQMT files quarterly and annual statements. We know we own shares in LQMT. Anything else is hope, rumors, hype, a feeling, a dream, a wish. Call it whatever you want. But know this; dreams and feelings and hype are not facts. The facts are clear. Many have invested in a new material not knowing it’s limitations, a long time ago. We believed the world could use this new material. We thought it was a no brainer. Whether it was before Apple or after Apple. Whether it was before Tom Steipp or after Professor Lugee Li, all invested to make money. Whether Steipp was successful or whether Professor Li will be, we could not tell and cannot tell. Otherwise, all would have sold or spent every penny they ever had on LQMT. These are clear facts.
We know the facts, we know the disappointments and we know the truth and we knew the risk. What we don’t know is the time of the reward if any. These are the reasons we wait. Expecting LQMT to succeed.
2018, Good luck to all.