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I saw that too mightymite1. I think some genius put in a "buy" market order, and the MM's just took advantage of it and sold for .0515, then when right back into mid 04's afterwards... We'll see what happens today, but based on last week, I'm expecting VIRT to reappear if we break .045 to ensure we remain under it. Also, ASCM still around trying control the ask and probably still trying to cover their action from our teaser green day. Still have another 4 days (Friday) before the next settlement date...
Ok raja - back on my computer and will try to make this easy for you using round numbers. I'm not referring to any $, just simply SAGA stock.
1. Right now SAGA OS is roughly 5M hares
2. ENZC is not getting $450M from SAGA, they are getting 45M shares at $10 each. Once deal is complete and 45M shares added for ENZC, the OS will be roughly 50M.
3. 45M ÷ 50M = 0.90 or 90% Therefore, ENZC shareholders (combined) will own 90% of SAGA.
I agree with you on valuation of ENZC right now while we currently own 100% of BGEN/VIRO and have brought up this point many, many times. Right now ENZC can't break an MC of $150M with 100% of BGEN, VIRO, & Robustomed, yet for some reason SAGA is willing to pay $450M (45M shares)? They must have seen something that Charles has yet to disclose publicly, and will likely disclose/PR it under SAGA once the deal is done.
That said, I will be completely honest here and say that I have not been paying as much attention to this as I have in the past, so if anything has changed since the above was first announced, I am unaware of it. Second, I've made no secret that I don't like this deal and would much rather see ENZC go the route we were all originally led to believe they'd go vs selling the farm for $450M (45M shares of stock) to a bottom of the barrel SPAC, but it is what it is, and I'm still hoping for the best.
Well put! I completely agree. In regards to what you said below (quoted), I think that is what we're all hoping for. In other words, pulling a rabbit out of a hat last minute surprise.... At this point, I personally haven't been paying too much attention to any of it. Been checking in a few times a day to see what's going on, but really just "hoping" for some kind of major surprise. I still believe something major is going on with Clone 3, but due to an NDA they've been unable to discuss it. There's no way we've gone almost 3 years with no news/progress on C3. However, I would've preferred to have them finally disclose whatever it is with Clone 3 while BGEN is still under ENZC, but I think that's unlikely at best.... I guess time will tell.....
Timing - What is your take on this, and on the deal in general? As I mentioned in my reply to you the other day, I personally believe the deal is as good as done, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on everything?
- Do you believe this deal is and/or gets done?
- Do you like the deal?
- What are your thoughts on ENZC post-deal (assuming deal goes thru)?
raja - per previous updates, once the dividend is paid to ENZC shareholders, ENZC shareholders combined, will own 90% of SAGA stock, leaving the SAGA execs/investors with only 10%. However, if they are/have been purchasing ENZC shares since the deal was first announced, those shares they've been buying would be eligible for the dividend, which would therefore increase their post-deal ownership via SAGA div shares.
You might be right falon, but I would think that once the deal was disclosed/PR’d publicly, it wouldn’t be insider trading anymore, as the deal would be common knowledge at that point.
Good post Timing.... Also, this is part of the reason that I believe the main execs/people of SAGA are currently dragging out, in order to buy ENZC shares now for larger SAGA ownership % post-deal. Seems strange that they would pay and/or find $450M in funding for only 10% of final company. However, if they've been buying ENZC over the past 6+ months, they would increase their overall SAGA ownership post-deal, and would not be required to file anything pertaining to their purchasing of ENZC shares unless they exceed 154M shares each (5%).
No links or proof, just IMO based on my own critical thinking. Obviously ENZC showed them something to make them say WOW and agree to 10% for $450M, so it would only make sense that they'd do what they can to increase their post deal ownership. Anyway, just a thought....
LOL…. I think you’ll be good Monday. VIRT’s not gonna allow this to sustain a pps over .045 until OTCN is finished with whatever they’re doing…
Pretty obvious after watching them yesterday/today…
That said, as I mentioned to Timing, could be that OTCN is running out of time to sell and/convert their bottomless stash, which could be why VIRT joined the party to assist. I only say this because never sells. Just uses algo to control/drop the ask, and once it’s at or under 045, they bow out and OTCN retakes control…
Shocker…. Back at 045, and OTCN’s gone and VIRT reappears to lead the ask. Watch when the ask is dropped back under 045. VIRT will disappear and OTCN will take over/the lead. And around and around we go….
There we go.... Just as we hit 045 again, VIRT immediately appears. Anyone watching them on L2 should easily be able to see the same thing I am... They are not selling anything, but keep popping up and using their algo to ensure we stay under 045... The second they get us back under 045, VIRT disappears and OTCN pops back in.... EAsy to see
Also Timing, one more thing..... I know others on here may disagree, but I personally am still expecting to see a significant change in our trading action/pattern 1-5 days prior to the deal closing and/or any other BIG news (if we should be lucky enough to get BIG news prior to losing BGEN/VIRO). That is what I'm keeping an eye out for, and why I find it intriguing that VIRT showed up down here, when they've only ever graced us with their presence over .10. Makes me think that maybe OTCN is running out of time to sell and/or convert, so VIRT shows up to help them ensure we remain below .045 (For some reason OTCN stopped selling when we went higher, then came back after ASCM took us back down; And the only other times I've seen VIRT here, which was Jan 2022 & May 2023, they arrived with their algo perfectly synced with OTCX/OTCN, so I don't believe it's outside the realm of possibility that they are once again here to help/assist OTCN.).
Anyway, just a thought....
Sorry Timing, was driving. Just had to go to 3 different "Hollywood Feed's" to find the bones that I buy for my dog.... Anyway, with regards to the SAGA filings, your guess is as good as mine. I'm guessing that they'll file everything immediately prior to both ENZC/SAGA signing on the dotted line and announcing the deal is closed. Not really sure what the holdup is, but I do think they'll get them done just before announcing the closing of the deal.....
Correct, but we will also own X number SAGA shares per dividend. Because of this, we will still benefit, but I personally just don't believe it would be as much as if were announced/disclosed while BGEN/VIRO are still under ENZC umbrella.... Hopefully we'll find out "SOON" enough....
EDIT: In addition to what I wrote below, it does appear that VIRT pops in when we hit 045 or higher, then disappears once we're back under .045. Same thing they did yesterday
Also, one more thing on that reply. I also find it strange and not by coincidence that VIRT is back and working their exact same algo that they used both times we broke .10 recently. If you watch them on L2, you'll notice that 99% of the time, they match the lowest ask, but never sell. As soon as the ask they're matching gets hit/knocked out, they move up to match the next highest ask. In other words, once again they are intentionally trying to control & drop the ask, same as they did in Jan 2022 & May 2023.
That said, if we couple VIRT's illegal/unusual action with the fact that for some reason OTCN is intentionally selling at lower PPS (they didn't sell when we went up to 06 and instead waited for ASCM to drive us back to low 05's/high 04's before they popped in and started selling again. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever unless:
1. They are executing conversions for somebody who qualifies for the discounted conversions rate
2. There is some kind of pre-arranged deal to sell in a specific range.
So, while this is going on with OTCN, VIRT just happens to show back up with a repeat of both times we broke .10? They're neither buying or selling, just trying to control the ask. Not exactly "making a market" by any stretch of the imagination. Anyway, as usual, I believe something else is going on behind the scenes but of course we have no idea what that is, and can only guess....
100% makes sense. I don't believe that ENZC will announce/disclose any big news pertaining to C3 or other mABS, or any BIG news in general, until this deal is closed. As I brought up in prior weeks, they have been working to separate BGEN & VIRO from ENZC, which is why all of our most recent news/PR's have come out specifically under the subs (BGEN/VIRO) vs coming out under ENZC like they used to. I believe there is a 100% chance this SAGA deal will close, but likely not for another month or two.
Also, I don't think there has ever been a better time for ENZC to finally reveal it's mABS "Cures." With more and more people finally waking up to the dangers of mRNA shots, if ENZC announced it's fully human & completely safe mABS will cure HIV, plandemic19, etc...., I think they'd skyrocket in the blink of an eye.
The chart below shows Modernas pps over the past month, currently sitting around $98.74...
Dyno I still think SAGA is intentionally dragging it out to accumulate as many ENZC shares as they can before it closes/div paid, to increase their ownership. Makes sense since they're combined ownership % of SAGA would literally drop to 10% post-deal, unless they also accumulated ENZC to qualify for the div. It's the only thing I can think of, and I also think that it's somehow connected to what OTCN has been doing, as that hasn't made much sense. The PPS goes up and they stop selling, then ASCM drives us back down and they immediately reappear to start selling again. In other words, they stopped selling for more money and waited until they could sell for less. Other than executing conversions for somebody who qualifies for the discounted conversation rate, the SAGA thing is the only other thing I can think of....
On a separate note, it seems ASCM is still sticking around doing what they do, but I haven't seen OTCN yet this morning. Hoping that holds true all day and they stay away.....
LOL... I just don't like seeing VIRT back, especially when the RSI is sitting in the 50's with plenty room for them to push down; and this time instead of ensuring we remained under .10, it was .045. Just gets old after watching the same thing for 2.5+ years now.
Pretty sure that VIRT is back at their games. Not selling anything, just matching top ask then immediately disappears from ask and bid when either is hit. Strange thing is that this is the first time I've seen them down this low. Prior to this, they only appeared the second that we broke .10, then disappeared once pushed safely back under.
Could be SA, but as I've posted many times, their valuation and/or "under-valuation" seems to be more intentional to me. I still haven't ruled out that SAGA execs are working to hold this down/load, so they can increase their ownership % post-deal. As long as they remain under roughly 154M each (less than 5%), they aren't required to file anything.... But again, that's just a guess.... Who really know's what's going on?
I consider any type of control to be manipulation. I hear you about lack of volume, but I'm just going off of our history with VIRT+OTCN. I actually haven't been watching much lately (just checking in every few hours), but noticed VIRT back and aligned with OTCN. The other day when we saw another teaser spike, our RSI jumped 27 points and has only fallen 11 points since, leaving plenty of padding, ASCM still here, and now VIRT shows up aligned with OTCN? I just don't see this being allowed to sustain any green and/or move up to where we should be anytime soon. Unfortunately, I actually believe they'll drive us back into 03s before we see 05-06 again.
As always, we shall see, but based on our history I personally don't like seeing VIRT on L2; especially while ASCM is still around, and OTCN is still selling what seems to be never-ending shares from a bottomless stash.... But that's just me...
Great! VIRT back with OTCN…. Fun never ends!
We’ll, Looks like ASCM is still here, likely still covering (dropping ask because they know OTCN will jump them to drop lower)
Oh well…. Maybe one of these days we’ll wake up to a BIG surprise where the games are done, predictability is over, and we finally trade organically…
falon - I agree with what you are and have been saying. However, "pre-results," most bios are priced somewhere in between true value and potential value (post-good-results), whereas ENZC has remained below true value for years now. I'm not saying that we should be trading in dollars right now, but I do believe that at the very least we should be trading at no less than 10% of potential/projected value. Using just Clone 3 projections, we should currently be trading around $0.30. Then if we want to even more ultra-conservative, we could say that we should be trading at the MC of the $450M SAGA deal, which would put us around $0.146 using our newly increased OS. Either way, we have been and are still currently undervalued.
Anyway, my point being that I agree they need to produce results for that serious increase we all want to see, but that doesn't change the fact that we are still severely undervalued as we wait; and I believe 100% wholeheartedly that its intentional.
Not really sure, but it's always right at 9% of daily volume and never over 10%. Been going on for quite some time now.
I saw that. Actually at higher closing pps too…
Guessing we’ll see another T Trade for 1.3M at 0435ish…. Just a guess…
Xtremetz1 - This hasn't been allowed to trade organically in a very, very, very long time, and I agree this is and has been far from normal trading. Unfortunately there's not much we can do about it. Also, I'm pretty sure that anyone who's been watching this knew that we'd be taken right back down, so they likely held off on buying. As long as OTCN continues, we'll remain in this ridiculous range. Also, even though the deal is now binding, there is technically still an "out" if they don't complete it by 12/31, so that could be playing a role as well. I'm hoping that once it's officially closed, we'll see some organic buying and pps movement.
jngreene33 - I don't pretend to know why, but this is what OTCN has been doing for awhile, and it doesn't make much sense. When the pps goes up, they bow out, then it when we're back to the push down, they immediately reappear to sell for less. Again, only 2 possibilities that I can think of
1. OTCN is executing conversions for somebody who qualifies for the discounted conversion rate
OR
2. Some kind of pre-arranged deal to sell in a specific range.
Remove those 2 possibilities, and I can't make any sense of it.
100% correct!
One other thing doc, which I'm surprised I haven't seen yet, but I expected the "gappers" to come out in full force and say that we have a gap in the .039-.045 range. Last Friday we closed at .0387, then Monday opened at .046 and had a low of .0451. I'm not a believer in "all gaps need to be filled," but I did expect to see the gappers out in full force.
Unfortunately doc, I think this was to be expected. For roughly the past 1.5-2 years, ASCM shows up to short us with every PR that drives volume. Then in the 1-3 days following the PR, they work to erase whatever gain we saw, while they cover. The difference with this one is that we also have OTCN selling what seams to be unlimited shares, and ASCM knows all they need to do is keep dropping their ask, and OTCN will jump them; and OTCN is doing it in such a way that makes zero sense. They stopped selling and/or went off of L2 when the pps went up past 05, but then as soon as we're driven back down, they reappear to sell. This is why I believe they're executing conversions for somebody who qualifies for the discounted conversion rate (something like 50% of lowest closing bid over x number of trailing days). Other than that or unless they have some kind of pre-arranged deal to sell to somebody at 04 or lower, it doesn't make sense that they're intentionally selling for less.
From the looks of L2, they're not allowing this back over 05 anytime soon; or at least not without some help from a PR and/or news. The second we dropped under 05, L2 immediately shifted in perfect sync to stack under it. I think we're pretty much stuck under 05 for at least until OTCN is finished, and when that is, nobody knows. Maybe we'll see some sustained buying/volume when the deal is officially closed, or at least I'm hoping for it....
I haven’t been watching this whole time (prepping/cleaning/packing to move next month), but I would guess ASCM still covering…. We’ve seen the same thing with every PR that generated higher volume & moved pps over the past 2 years. Once ASCM is fully covered, they’ll disappear until the next PR…. Wash+Rinse+Repeat
Ok rockie, even though you and I have had this conversation numerous times and disagree (it's ok to disagree), I will reiterate and/or clarify as i've done many times before. Without plandemic-19, there would be no "mail-in voting," which "they" needed to cheat.
1. Get your facts straight. Never said plandemic-19 was a joke, only that it was planned, intentional, and carried something like a 97-99% survival rate.
2. It has been shown/proven over the past 1-2 years that the plandemic19 death rates were manufactured back then. Hospitals were incentivized to mark deaths as plandemic19. Hospitals were incentivized to put people on the "Remdesavir + Ventilator" protocol, which was basically a death sentence (Remdesavir causes renal failure). Then, after quite some time and after censoring people who tried to warn everyone, taking away doctors licenses who talked about it, etc... the CDC finally comes out and "quietly" admits that there is a coorelation between the plandemic19 jab & myocarditis. Lastly, do you knot find it strange that during this time that the PCR tests were "supposedly" diagnosing everyone with plandemic19, that for the first time in history, the flu completely disappeared from 100+ countries at the same time? (NATO countries I'll add)?
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3. The PCR tests being used to test people for plandemic19 couldn't actually differentiate whether or not they had a common cold, flu, pnemonia, plandemic-19, etc..., so if any tiny little thing showed up, which would normally indicate common cold, they still marked it as plandemic-19.
4. They knew years in advance that the cure to all "SARS/Corona" viruses was Hydroxychloroquine. The paper below was authored by fraudci on August 22, 2005. So why did they collude with fakebook, twitter, instagram, youtube, google, etc... to censor anyone talking about this? Not to mention that they were literally threatening doctors with taking away their licenses if they prescribed it? Also, OSHA changed their longstanding reporting guidelines to stop reporting "adverse effects" for plandemic19 jab, and the FDA literally changed the definition of "Vaccine," which previously said "gives immunity" and removed that part. Lastly, if this was so deadly and the plandemic-jab was the only true cure, then why were the people listed in the 4th image below exempt from being required to get the jab? Does any of this seem normal to you?
5. Not only were massive numbers of people censored, banned, suspended from Twitter, fakebook, youtube, etc... for speaking against the narrative, but twitter also deployed "Bots" to push the narrative.
6. Read/Research both "Operation Lockstep" and "Event 201." Operation Lockstep (2010) is literally the step by step playbook they used for plandemic19. Event 201 was a planned "pre-exercise" in October 2019 just prior to the plandemic, held by WEF & Gates Foundation. It was literally a dry run of plandemic 19.
Rockie - There is plenty more research and evidence out there. All you have to do is look. However, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, and it's ok if we disagree. At the end of the day, regardless of what anyone thinks, those of us living in the United States of America Constitutional Republic should question it when leading experts are cancelled/censored/threatened, such as Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA jab. We should question it when we're told that we're not allowed to talk about this, that, or the other. And we should certainly question it when known cures/remedies are censored and "death treatments" are incentivized.
All of this being said, I've had this conversation with you too many times and have spent too much time trying to show you why so many people have woken up and can finally see through the illusion. As I mentioned above and many times before, we can agree to disagree, but I do ask that you get your facts straight on what I've said and/or haven't said.
LOL…. Rockie I’ve shut down my computer for the night and posting my full reply is too much to type using mobile iHub; and I’m unable to post pics using my phone, so you’ll have to wait until tomorrow for my full reply to your instigating post. However, by all means feel free to continue instigating. I’ll get back to you tomorrow morning…
I haven't been watching all day, jus popping in/out to see what the pps is doing, but noticed that OTCN is nowhere on the ask. Anyone been paying attention who knows how long they've been absent? I know they were here earlier this morning, but seems odd that if they still have shares left to sell in their never-ending stash, that they wouldn't be doing so while the pps is in the 05's vs 04's or lower?
Trying to determine if they're finished, or if they're just taking a break and/or playing games? It would be awesome if they were done. We'd still have PUMA & INTL to contend with, as well as ASCM covering, but I'd still look at "no OTCN" as a good thing/step in the right direction...
Agreed... Also, we've seen this exact action with every PR/good news over the past 2 years. ASCM shorts the hell out of it the day the PR/news drops, then drives it down to cover and erase all gains the following days. The difference this time is that as long as OTCN continues, we'll see it drop much faster/easier. We have not sustained any gain in more than 2+ years. Always the same story with the same ending.....
And.... Right as I posted that, sure enough OTCN dropped under ASCM, only to have ASCM drop lower, then OTCN drops lower to take the lead ask again.... And just like that, we're back in the 04's and very likely right back into the pattern. And around and around we go....
With 6 months to go before the div date, I just don't see a rush to buy ENZC quite yet. Anyone who's been watching this knows that OTCN is still going strong, which means the push down continues as a result. With plenty of time to buy to qualify for the div, I personally see most people waiting for OTCN to drive us lower/back in 03s or possibly even lower, before jumping in to buy... Lets hope I'm wrong...