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How can you recognize a Money Maker Manipulation in the early stages? What did you see a few months ago? And in plain English please.
Bogey I found these 2 links for you they tell something about the subject you are so taken with.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/front-endload.asp
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=18742
It's in the 10-K file over 200M shares.
I am with you on that one.
Compare your 10-K text with that of –(Marketwired – January 22, 2015) "Roger M. Slotkin, CEO of HydroPhi, stated, “With this sizable purchase order, we have now moved from a development stage company into full commercialization. We are particularly excited about the potential scope of this relationship with Rutas given their plans for broad deployment. We are appreciative of the help and support of our distribution partner, Energia Vehicular Limpia, which helped to secure these purchase orders and will assist with the commercial deployment. Looking ahead, we plan to work closely with Rutas and Energia to introduce our technologies in other major cities throughout Mexico and Latin America. There are similar private bus route associations located in most major cities through Mexico with buses numbering in the thousands.”"
... and you get the feel of an entirely different enterprise. I think your text is a disclaimer and mine a sales pitch.
Never the less there are a number of things starting to look real fishy for my gut feeling.
True, that's why I added 450K of shares HPTG in June this year.
"I take issue with them stating on their 10-K that they've received no large purchases to date."
How well did you read the 10-K? The comp. had to make cost cuts in sales. Basically the comp. is stopped in it's tracks due to a leck of cashflow in order to lower their dept level. (greenmachine2 post#3690)
"I cannot imagine that it's so difficult to sell the HydroPlant."
Today I read on a Mexican newssite: José Antonio Sánchez Escalante, Presidente de Rutas Unidas, dijo “La Hydroplant ha probado ser una buena adición a nuestro sistema de autobuses. Esperamos ver los efectos a largo plazo que tiene este aumento de eficiencia en los costos operativos. Basados en estos resultados positivos, planeamos comenzar a instalar comercialmente la Hydroplant en nuestra flota.”
We hope to see the long-term effects that this increase of efficiency in operating costs.
http://www.ccmex.org.mx/index.php?c=newsletters&m=mostrar_noticia&id=21
Roger Slotkin told himself there is no longterm data available of the hydroplant in one of his video presentations. My ques is that's why they have this test order.
This way they can using reliable practice data a realistic cost-benefit analysis.
What's in it for these MM's to constantly drive the price down? How many stock do they own and how where they obtained, CN? Can they make profit at these prise levels? How?
You could very well be right I have no knowledge of this. But all the stockmarkets today are deep in the red because of Greece. Even if no games where played the stock would not do much better for today.
Does somebody know the site of energia vehicular limpia? Want to look in their Balance Sheet. I am curious to see some prove of tjusa02 post#3688.
The 10-K Q1 2015 file states $1.5M is required from external investors to keep the current business operations: the sales, production of the units etc. going. The offering to the new cd's are limited by the rights of the current ones. Furthermore the comp. states to have no orders or any outlook in the future.
And finally the accountant is at odds over the preparation of the Q1 2015 10-K file.
Combine that with no money for sales and also they have practically no production stock I am really curious about what the comp. means by "have to seek bankruptcy protection." How would this look like?
10-K Q1 2015: "As such we also risk the fact that our creditors may seek action for repayment with the result that we may have to seek bankruptcy protection."
I am running to all sorts of scenarios a lot of cd is also owned by the big stakeholders. Going to court and filing for bankruptcy means losing the kapital of their shares with no chance of regaining their investment.
The licencyholders without any doubt also have invested a lot. They too don't like the idea of taking a loss. If that was the case Europe wouldn't be stuck with the Greek dept.
I've Googled: How does bankruptcy protection work? Got info about how a bankruptcy works from a site of a lawfirm. With bankruptcy you can get rid of creditcard deficit but not for instance the tax office.
The trade balance of the company is worrying but I suspect the big investors or licencyholders or maybe even an angel investor with a big appetite for risk are willing for handing out a helping hand if in a not-too-distant future there is decent order.
It's sit and suffer time for us stockholders.
But their net loss has improved Net loss $ 11,795,273
2015 $ (2,716,477)
2014 $ (14,511,750)
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/StockNet/SECDocuments.aspx?Symbol=HPTG&Country=USA
What does this effective date and post date mean?
I am guessing reverse stock splits or Pink sheets.
BTW starting to read your link your answer is right there: "Securities that do not meet the minimum bid price test or that are in bankruptcy will be downgraded to OTC Pink"
IMO this is a standard procedure nothing new to me.
That's a more possitive question as your former one (damizo post#3631).
As you without any doubt noticed I use constantly phrases as IMO and speculation on my side. Only official SEC files and also approved by the SEC can guarantee you that. How many times do you read in the SEC filings it hasn't been approved?
I am simply trying to make sense out of the information that is published by all sorts of media just as anybody else. Though I have to go to work yet (late shift) I was trying to get into that but couldn't find the link in time (WealthWithoutGreed post#3337). If my memory serves me well Slotkin mentions in this videopresentation about prefinancing the Units in the Mexican deal. Although I can easily been mistaken if not why would he mention this and not having the intention to work on a deal? That just doesn't take any sense to me. Timeframe wise we all have to sit and suffer till the company publishes this info. ASAP I hope!
video presentation febr. 9th 2015 Roger Slotkin
- Opinion of subsidy 6.50 min
- $ 15000,- p. Unit 12.18 min (greenmachine2 post#3357)
- Convertible dept 20.40 min
- 145 Units a month break even 23.18 min (WealthWithoutGreed post# 3356)
- How is the Unit manufactored? 26.55 min
I am aware this company is a risky trade. BWT my broker only allows me buy limit and sell limit orders.
I can only buy or sell in steps of 0.1 cents.
I don't want to be blind or deaf for possible scams but fail to see hard evidence on it yet.
It's 3 AM overhere. I've worked late shift, did some posting. I call it a day.
WealthWithoutGreed (post#3605) I think it's save to conclude that no revenue any time soon is to be expected in the European market. Why the test needs to been done. That seems to me obvious would you like to drive a car, ooh by the way we altered the engine and it's never been tested for savety purposes but it saves fuel and has cleaner exhaust fumes. Have a good ride!
Haven't done any digging concerning the Life program. What is the objective? What requirements will be set? For example, it is intended to create European jobs? etc.
A subsidy means the EU government wants to stimulate something.
But back to your question. The sales technique Roger Slotkin is direct sales which though very effectiv very time consuming and labor intensiv though. (greenmachine2 post#3575).
Personally I would like to see Hydrophi to go to carshows etc. advertisement campaigns. It's a unique product, that makes it much harder to sell. Selling something that people allready know is much easier then trying to sell something that is complex and hard to get. It took me a while to get the technology. First I thought it was a regular fuelcell. Can you explain the technology within a minute in a way your old granny gets it? If so you have a seller.
The only answer about the proof of lying that I can come up with that the SEC will halt the trade than. After the halt the stock will be traded on the grey market. It's virtually impossible so I've been told by an other blogger to get out of there. I've personaly experienced it with Growlife in 2014 (PHOT) some scam.
Sustainability organization Urgenda wins court case against the Dutch state.
Dutch State must reduce greenhouse gases strongly for 2020.
Financial Tv station RTL-Z internal told this could create a precedent for other EU Member States.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/24193116/__Minder_broeikasgassen__.html
A site for support resistance levels HPTG
http://www.barchart.com/cheatsheet.php?sym=HPTG
Too bad they missed out on the subsidy. 75% of the JV is owned by the Polish investment comp. and they are financially healthy.
Today I added 450K at $0.003.
Everybody seems to think that converting dept is the biggest worry. Note holders can convert which means they don't have to. It's a bit like regular stockholders trying to predict the weather a year from now (= the expiry date of CN). A CN holder can simply ride out the year and than evaluate what to do. The money back + 8% interest or conversion and an even bigger profit. Only good company results will seduce the CN holder into conversion IMO.
From a risk analysing point of view it also would make sense not to convert. In a situation of bancrupty the lenders are first in line (greenmachine2 post#3369). By converting the formerly CN holders go voluntarily back in line.
Quote: "On January 9, 2015, Hydrophi Technologies Group, Inc. (the “Company”) filed an Articles of Amendment with the Florida Department of State, Division of Corporation, to increase the total authorized shares of the Company to six hundred twenty five million (625,000,000) shares, consisting of six hundred million (600,000,000) shares of common stock, par value $0.0001 and twenty five million (25,000,000) shares of preferred stock, par value $0.0001. The Articles of Amendment was declared effective on January 9, 2015."
In other words there is a ceiling to the exposure for the stockholders at least if the orders come in on time.
2014 was a cliffhanger a lot of preparing has been done. Given the overall bearish fibonacci and the exposure of more dilution that shouldn't be a surprise. IMO the company is gathering investment money for at least one order.
2016 the bearish motion will take place for a sideways motion. Cause: priority is solving dept and reinvestment purposes to build out the company. Also revenue is earned afterwards not on forehand (WealthWithoutGreed post#3356). Because of this at latest the end of 2015 a decent order is required. Expect a race between dilution and earnings this will cause a sideways motion of the stock.
In 2017 the company starts to write black numbers (dept is solved) and starts a bullish motion. All speculation of course.
Two 55 k Notes expire may 27, 2016. And will each dilute no more than 5%.
http://hydrophi.com/investors/sec-filings/
2015-05-28 8-K – Current report Quote: "At no time will each Investors be entitled to convert any portion of their Note, to the extent that after such exercise/conversion, the Investor (together with its affiliates) would beneficially own more than 4.99% of the outstanding shares of Common Stock as of such date, which limit may be increased to 9.99% at the election of the Investor but no greater than 9.99%."
This is what I could find so far. It's 11 P.M. Amsterdam time I call it a day.
That's a reassuring thought. I don't want a bunch of grasshoppers to damage our plant.
I do like the greens myself moneywise as well for the environment. HPTG long!
BTW you where thinking $ 0.10? I was thinking NASDAQ.
I think there's a lot of speculators are that lane on a bounce and then want to sell at about $ 0.008. However, the question is who will be that new buyers? (WealthWithoutGreed post # 3564)
Or would all those video presentations for? (just kidding)
It won't be the existing shareholders because they buy in the area of $ 0.004 IMO reading the different posts. My personal view is further speculate a specialty that come with this kind of pennies better left to the professionals can be as pronew with its high tech and skills although he aims for around $ 0.20 (post # 3450)
Only direction giving company news can justify that. Maybe next week Q2 is reported? I'm guessing not because it's in January, the Mexico deal published. The Board members have themselves also shares so they understand the game of the stock market: during the first weeks of January large institutional investors such as pension funds will enter the stock market this is a public secret. January is statistically a bullish month just as the month of october. In october the big guys come back from holiday and on the bow waves they produce Umm HPTG flows in the wake.
Also I'm very on par with the analogy of Easyme plants (post # 3568) 2017 will presumably be the pivotal year.
http://media.wix.com/ugd/a15970_2d04c2a24a8a43fda9f53442d837e812.pdf
look at page 2 (possitive EBITDA) and 9 (tjusa02 post # 3506)
Finally, that was what I was trying to say with my Apple story that it took many years before the share price climbed up. (greenmachine2 post # 3558)
Who knows when Roger Slotkin the rabbit conjures out of his top hat. A big fat one for Christmas.
Stalemate $ 0.0042 between Support 1 $ 0.0035 and Resistance 1 $ 0.0045
You think this could change the momentum? Perhaps they try to bring the supportlines closer together in order to counterpart this huge resistance line around $ 0.01?
Fascinating. My HPTG shares had a few month in a row a risknumber of 1000 didn't trade. A few weeks or so the risk number went down to 849. By the risknumber 1000 around 150M shares outstanding. Are they solving dept?
That 2750 units are for 2750 buses of Rutas Unitas. Only is Rutas Unitas no company, it is a collective of 2750 individual bus owners who also drive this bus on a fixed route. The buses look old and worn out not really a sign of much purchasing power.
The genius of this business deal is that the units are funded up front and a third is paid by funds of the municipality of Mexico City. I would like to know the exact nature of those up front funding.
It intuitive feels indeed wrong to depend on a third party.
I seem to remember that HPTG has a joint venture with the Polish investment company and HPTG has a minority stake of 25%.
Also I thought that they themselves were allowed to appoint certain boardmembers.
Furthermore, I have trouble believing that the CFO of HPTG hasn't included an escape clause in the contract related having with a performance contract. CFOs are typically very intelligent people. Have a little faith in the Board HPTG.
I wish you a pleasant continuation of your holiday.
Yes I am, sometimes I use the help of Google translate because of my limited knowledge of the English language. Also having a hard time with all the slang of some posters.
In 2001 I lost my job as a DTP-er, worked in a printing office during the 90's. Worked with and own an Apple computer and was very excited about it. Liked the principle of open source witch created a diferce world. Although they made great products, cheap was than the fashion Microsoft was the peoples choice. For more then 10 years the stockprice struckled. A colleague advised me to buy shares of $5 because Steve Jobs was back. He was our system administrator. I found him a nerd and ignored him. In this decade I didn't trade but I've never been interested in companies with complex products so never traded in the IT sector no matter how profitable. How many traders did bleed around the year2000?
An other colegue said to me he was excited about internet: in the future people will only talk with each other by computer. I was horified by that idea. Nowadays the young people can't imagine a world without social media.
Prior to the bankruptcy of the company for what else I can remember. There always had to be found to pay money to the suppliers. Suppliers refused to supply other vendors were still in the beginning still found in the graphic world everyone knows each other but the reputation damage is damaged beyond repair. There was a payment arrangement with the tax authorities. A separate payment arrangement was struck. The company could not meet its payment obligations on which the tax office the company bankrupt left. The staff was made up to the last salary unemployment benefits thanks to an unemployment insurance that my employer had closed.
Take it from me that the Board of HPTG want to get rid of their dept A.S.A.P. and that they are committed to their staff.
Banks refuse to give a loan to HPTG given their financial situation. And the shareholders take on this task IMO.
http://www.stockta.com/cgi-bin/analysis.pl?symb=HPTG&cobrand=&mode=stock
Stockchart with fibonacci info
That's up to you but notice the overall bearish fibonacci especially on the short and intermediate term. What's the rush why not go for a discount? At these price levels it will improve your average dramatically.
On the other hand there is allways the risk of a goodnews show and a rally up your buy offer is too low and you miss out on this opportunity. I believe Q2 will be published soon. An informed decision most of the time leads to a better result especially if you are in there for the long run.
Or you can simply add regularly let's say every month a small amount the transaction costs of course will increase dramatically.
Good luck!
I disagree from the perspective of riskmanagement it's a smart and also common practice. The investment risk on the side of the licency holder.
HPTG is not a Honda or Toyota who are multi billion dollar compagnies and who have an dealer network covering all the big economies in the world.
These licency holders as HPTG points out know their local markets also they do have a network.
This IMO will lead to quick dept solvation and brand awareness.
If HPTG would do all this on their own how much advertising costs will entail?
Finally: think through the eyes of the customer. The bus drivers of Unitas Rutas are also the owner of this bus. I have pictures of these buses seen via Google images. Would you purchase a Hydro plant if you would suspect the manufacturer goes bankrupt within a year? This license holders have a healthy trade balance and cash flow.
I have no idea but since you use quotation marks can you reveil your information source. Maybe that gives an angle to look into.
23 June 2014 10K-Q, 13 August 2014 10K-Q
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1496741/000151597114000275/hptg10k033114.htm
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1496741/000151597114000363/hptg10q063014.htm
23 June 2015 10k-Q?
Info will come soon!
HPTG paid $10000 for the analysis (or at least the main part of the $10000 was). HPTG seems to have a track record to hire stock promoting companies. It comes down to the same arguments over and over again yet I can't find anything critical about HPTG in this seethruequity. The report states is a very speculative buy yet they don't publish the aspects of why.
My broker gives over my 1.5 M shares a risknumber of 829 yet only the profit aspect is highlighted don't you think this even a little odd?
Further more it reminds me of a television documentary inwhich a few ex Goldman Sachs employees where interviewed and one of them made a very interesting point: the documentary went over the financial crisis in 2008. In a hearing was denounced the behavior of credit rating agencies. Large private banks had very good ratings and yet they fell to. The conclusion by the Commission of inquiry was that the rating agencies with misleading ratings had come and that consumers suffer. The old GS staff member pointed out that the rating agencies were comenciele companies who hired by the banks and insurance companies and that they thus them served and not the public interest.
I say not that I don't like report. But a little restraint is in place.
I consider for daily trade a range between 1-3% of the outstanding shares to be normal. Don't see what the big fuss is all about.