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Here comes the big fall... no one borrows money right before Good data... NO ONE ! U could get 15M bucks on a offering of 2 shares on good data or you can borrow 15M... What would you do ?
Never Mind !
Suker article... we seen the same stuff each time with all the stem cell rip offs...
Been around 15 years, IPO last year and are still floating in that price range. Have no product and still trials. I love Pharma companies and if you catch the right ones they will make you rich.
Their pancrea cancer drug is a way's off and trials don't pay the bills. Nor does a pancrea cancer drug, even if approved... They have a fabulous scientist... Other than that it is a still wait and see...
I do think they spike on phase II data... has to do good...
Underwriters price is 10.38... if your buying, you will be able to buy at 10.15 soon, but that bottom will be brief...
News yesterday, it goes nowhere, everything falls off today and this goes 7%. Just goes to show you that people wanted to invest, just didn't know where..
I think he was pointing out you did good. I for one would be wary of this, although their science looks strong, still, it will be a phase II in an area with lots of compitition. Seems like everyone and their brother is chasing the LIVER...
I have a couple of pharma plays. Don't go on the penny flipping pages ANYMORE. WHich is a discredit to anyone on this site. It gives the appearance of ONLY lying at whatever to make money. With that said, I went and look at this because you seem to like it so much. Not that I follow, just found the company, came here, then checked all back posts and seen you on every page.
From what I have learned in the couple years is that the phase II can be good, it will run, if it fails it is dissaster for this company because they are all in on ONLY one thing. If someone beats them to the punch, same thing. It is just scary when everything is on ONE thing. That is all.
Obviously you are closer to this company than most think. Consider you mostly day trade (I think). Well, with 5500 posts on BB stock haven ( I know)...
i would expect you to be a little more diversified. That makes me think you have inside info.. tisk tisk... Although it is a 2B study and only for dosing, so it has to be positive... They had better hurry up...
I just don't know how much it will move on a 2B. Are you looking at one of the other studies ?
Anyway, whatever happen, good luck and i hope you hit it big... I really do.. I see your on the WTL page... How brutal for those coal guys huh... I seen your comments... See, this is where it is tuff to believe or not.. .You called them... hmmmm..
After discount they pay 9.62 a share. That would be on an avg. share of 12.5%
I still hold a small portion and have not bought back in yet. I will around the end of the month when they announce the DISCOUNT. Wall street is always coming up with a new twist.
This time it could be the discount %. Usually 10 -15%. What if it is 22% on 11.00 Just never know and I don't see the true value there yet.
WOW.. Their in trouble, right behind the coal companies. These guys are too old a business with hands out in all direction. Gotta bet people being paid Great retirements from 30 years ago. Losing money badly, burn rate is gigantic. Way too many VP's..
Sooner or later Natural gas and shore oil will stop and this could be a big play. But looking at REV. 476m LAST QUARTER, before that was 603M.
Well, the previous years REV were 2013= 2.6B 2012= 3.6 2011= 3.2B
So they were avg. or close too 800 - 900m a 1/4 and last one was half.
That is a big big problem... Have to wonder how much cash they have on hand... Maybe it is time to consolidate... Wash away all the old hands that get paid..
This has to be manipulation as the underwriters want a good price on the offering. You would think the banks getting ready to buy it would not be fooled.
If they can hold 11, then they can demand 9 on the offering... Once that happens it will drop back to that... I hope no one is buying here, in fact, I think the shorts know exactly how this works, i am watching carefully. I bet we see a price and the shorts are selling it as we speak.
We'll see... Interesting to watch this happen..
Never ever do they miss a chance to dump their shares... All the money they are making you would think they could hold onto them considering the outlook...
The stock is just barely floating above a de -listing price, one problem and it is gone...
Just sad, that is all I am saying... too bad that they think of themselves on such a high note... As if they are actually doing doctor work...
Actually smart, when you think about it, most doctors have to operate 10 times a day, run a clinic, or two to make their kind of money...
wonder about price, want to buy it, but can't pull the trigger...
And I really hope it takes off and people make money, i really do.. But I have to call it as i see it. Maybe they should join forces will the others.
They could all set up shop in the Eastern distric of Texas..
I sure would like to know why this is the only patent company going up. Or is it being manipulated up with only inside buying and selling via family and friends. Iteresting too that it closed near 13.15 but gets 3 small after hour buys at 13.60, yet the ihub chart show 14.
Strange for sure and we all know some of the original people behind these patents. Look at the volume and news. A CFO gets hired and it goes up to 16 on super small volume. Just doesnt make any sense other than buying themselves. No one would touch this anyway with what has happened over the last 3 months.
Wish them well
Virtualagility is worthless now ? IT patents and an about page that lists no one person. DSS was far better off before they got into the patent business. Really sad for dhareholders. I hope they can figure something out...
Based on what patents ? Not even Virtual Agility's held up... All of these are gonna get pounded down. I still hold some of this and wish it would go up.
Too low to short it... I just don't see them gaining any ground with the business, their Bascoms are worthless in my opinion. My Opinion was opposite 1 year ago. Just because we believe in it, does not make it work. It is ashame, but as with salesforce... They kicked them right in the mouth... All of them are going to get it, my bet is that the Atty's. on this side are just rolling over, and taking their kickback (however they can)...
They want to go big. I for one am glad they did it, and look at the price, a 1$ drop is nothing. Yes, it wil pull back more, and i will avg. down from there.
Look who is buying it ! These guys are buying because BB did and the results. AVNR will be big...
Everything they offer is completely worthless on a sales basis, Revenue. No one will ever buy it and AMBS will never sell it. But they will continue to sell shares, go to conferences, and create the BEST PRs Ever. I think Gerald paid close attention in his college class of BS ! Eltoprazine has been tested for everything and anything, and no one wants it. So AMBS will use it to VALUE their company by PR's for the next couple years. Just like they use Lympro over the last 2 and before that MANF.. Remember, he company was founded on MANF and it was going to make everyone rich... I just dont see how the SEC allows something like this to continue. Or the FDA for that matter... But, congrats to the flippers and Gerald for making a living off of it. Not easy to convince a hole new set of Suckers every 6 months.
This is my last post, so flippers dont send me IM's calling me names like before, or beg me to not tell the truth... THis is just one, it will be gone in no time. But don't remove it because it is all just opinion.
Read below : Eltoprazine is a small molecule 5HT1a/1b partial agonist in clinical development for the treatment of PD LID and Adult ADHD. Eltoprazine has been evaluated in over 600 human subjects to date, with a very strong and well-established safety profile. Eltoprazine was originally developed by Solvay Pharmaceuticals for the treatment of aggression. Upon Solvay's merger with Abbott Pharmaceuticals, the Eltoprazine program was out-licensed to PsychoGenics. PsychoGenics licensed Eltoprazine to Amarantus following successful proof-of-concept trials in PD LID and adult ADHD.
Can I ask what the fee % is on your holding ? Or !!!
If I had shorted 10K shares at 12.25 for one month and bought bac at 9.25 Making 30K... What would the fees be on that ?
SEC is going to start shutting down these COmpanies, watch !
Hold for 9s... Then you will make money for sure unless something stupid, probably less than 15% chance of that. But this will increase...
Concert supplys them and they will reek benefits from it too. Plus Baker Bros bought small part in them 2 months ago while down. Watch for a BIG offering to Baker Bros on next signal and it is off to the races for both...
Do you like COncert Pharma too ? THey own the rights to the deterium. Plus have business with Jazz and Celegene. I feel they will both be big. Just affraid of a buyout.
Concert has better management and a bigger future, maybe..
If i worked there for years and had been waiting to buy a house, nice car, etc. i would sell at that high too. Then recoup and buy it again a little later. They deserve it after a long wait and battle in courts.
This wil lsell off label and be big in sales. Each 1/4... watch it... I will swing this for years to come.
Get it cheaper, just wait a week or 2.. Nothing happening between then and now.
The PPS is NOT going to out play the value by that much.. Just remember that Baker bought it, like they did concern for the long play. Their ALZ will be sold to millions for millions if not billions in sales. They will start off label sales with it now since they r already in the nursing homes...
THeir sales force is huge. But the price is going to 10. I hope other insiders sell too...25K shares, that is nothing for these guys..
Dropin the bucket, but glad, bring it down so i can load up. Will tell you now, this will be at 100 in 2 years... Along with its side kick...
10 days from now
I am a realist I guess.... What I seen was great science, a proven product by the steps they were taking. Even confidence in the UC trial to a strong point. It came back totally negative.
Had they presented more on it, the why, the how, what the BIG difference was going to be in the stroke trial, and just a little bit of "oops, were wrong maybe, going to slash payroll, cut back options, etc. It would be different. THey are just in another world with their business moves..
Don't get it, and if I seen others doing anything near what they do, that could count for something. Again, either they r way ahead and just not telling anyone, or the biggest "in your face" failure based solely on their spirit.. Which is going to piss off a lot of people..
Hello Hello Hello Hell Hel He low lo lo.....
serentity now serentity now... Syyyyyyyyy... All we need is a little ptience... oooo a little....
Maybe shorted... Whenever there is a phase II trial anywhere (it feels like) you get flippers involed, shorts, etc. It will go down, when and how much is the question.
It feels like MANN where it held ground for quite a while. This is a great company and I can't wait to buy more.
Another worthless Cell company posing as a business and acting like they care about people. As with all the others, what have they done to garner their value ? What science have they brought forth ? What trials do they have that may make a difference ?
make news, talk about Japan, a new trial, some novel find, get a dco in CHina to write he Believes, put it on a PR and bump price. Create more shares, file for more grants, 10 years later... Still nothing in the Cell community except "excitement" Joy, wishing, etc. No wonder they are all so happy doctors.. They get paid and have to be responsible for nothing more than creating the next "maybe out of this air"
I am loading up for a lifetime on the next BIG pullback. If fact, wish they had some type of failure. Their founder is brilliant and brought what he knew with him. Their compound are the wave of future medicine.. I hope...
So many medicines fail on poor metabolic stability resulting in failed phase trial testing. Would bet that is why AVINIR was able to bring forth something no one ever thought of...
This leaves Concert in the drivers seat for so so many things. Baker Bros knew to buy them early and you can bet the will go in and get a huge offering at some point...
They are making money, although not enough... The AVP-786 is only the begining for these guys...
I was scepticle until this last trial by AVNR... Now we know... Imagine making a pain reliever that last 3 times longer... What is that worth...OMG !
Everybody was late off of the news... Considering what they do they are a great play, at this price I wouldn't touch it. THey have a way's to go to make any money. As they grow, they can increase their value and stance...
I think your looking for a cheaper price, that is kool, but what you are using is bogus..
It isn't just two ingedients... If you took the two like they r, you would have a hgue problem... Nudextra is a formulated medicine...
It is like saying, there is ibeprofen and heroin on the street. So if you took headache pills and some smack you are getting vicodin... Doesn't work like that, of course as a company, they are looking to protect their brand. I am surprised they don't have a liad out answer for it.
I do know that doctors and medicare are not going to allow for double scripts on the two items. Too much risk on their practice... SO, with time, as this works on patients, the docs won't have a choice but to presribe it, medicare will have to cover it, etc..
Think this is why the price is holding strong... I sold at 11 yesterday and expected 9 today. So know one really knows what will happen... I would watch who is buying..
Agree, but dumb moves along the way "LOOK BAD"... If real deal, then needs to act like one. Selling shares into increases is bad for business, no matter how broke you are...
Changes in beneficial ownership, etc...
With this many shares at this price, you can bet that many of the institutions unloaded too. It would be a crime against their investors not too.
Think that really opens up the door for a short seller, which I do not do.. Also great for those out now looking to get back in... THey will drive it down to reload as this will grow big...
I wonder if thery are not just loading more... It is 1$ above my sale price and never thought it would go this high...Glad for everyone except those early shorts at 6.. wow...
This week Dr. Harrington from Athersys Inc will present this...
Manufacturing and Clinical Development of MultiStem - A Drug-Like Cell Therapeutic
During the past decade, the number of cell therapies under evaluation in clinical studies has increased dramatically. In many instances, the manufacturing process used early in clinical development is not feasible for commercial production, due to high cost of goods, lack of scalability, supply chain constraints, and regulatory requirements. In this presentation, key scale up considerations aimed at producing a commercially successful product will be discussed.
John Harrington, Ph.D., Chief Scientific Officer, Athersys, Inc.
How can a Doctor working with a "to this point" know failed biologic present data on cost and scalability, supply chain, constraints, etc. The company has never sold or manufactured a biologic that has been saleable ?
In my opinion it is just another ploy to make it look like they are actually moving forward with a product. Huge waste of finances and a complete waste of time. If the product worked in just one phase II trial it MAY be worth the work to see if it is "all of the above" but if it doesnt work, yet.
It just makes no sense at all that Athersys keeps moving forward because they have nothing better to do with their time and money...
I am actually sick of it and going to do what is needed to contact the rest of the board... it is principal now, not money as much... Grant money waste on this stuff... is sickening...
staying strong... surprised as you normally don't see this, guessing shorts are now getting nervous... Have to think 20M shorted at 10 and above...