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Agreed! Although, it would be nice to have this happen: http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=18833
High was .241 a gain of over 2300%...yes 2300 LOL. And instead of LOL I am more on the I want to cry side of things :'(
In the grand scheme of things, the 800 share days are inconsequential. And yes like dream, like you, like others...we all have a lot of shares and yes more than what most people make lol. But it doesn't mean it is time to lose objectivity.
No AMOUNT of marketing will do a thing at this point except temporary pump and dumps. You need the financials to show the stability.
And I was just reading an entrepreneur's article about how he did not talk to anyone and even when in office he told his receptionist to take a message and say he was out of the office or out of town. He dodged everyone for about 6 months till the projects were nearly complete and THEN after they had begun to beg him for information and to make a deal with him...he came out and was able to power play into 3 years of guaranteed business running at MAXIMUM CAPACITY...
And because he played it like that, he was given substantial bank loans to fund his next few projects which have now almost hit maximum capacity as well.
POINT BEING: Yes you have money invested, we all do. Large sums, more than you think probably do, and getting mad and worrying about 800 shares traded when they have no real information as to their financials available (last set showed extreme loss and they were near running out of cash). Till that stuff comes out, you can't really set anything to it :)
It's ok to vent, we understand. It's easy to point the finger at the marketing guy, but it doesn't mean he is doing a bad job :P
I'm relatively certain he is being paid in stock options, not in cash! He won't want to do all that work for nothing!!!
But do remember a marketing person isn't supposed to focus on investors. They focus on getting sales. Opening more clinics helps investors feel safe, but doesn't generate new revenue because it isn't about the product.
I don't mean to be arguing with you for the sake of arguing, but it is what I believe and also I am REALLY REALLY bored today :P
1. If you are a director of marketing, you rarely answer emails from outsiders unless they are a significant investor of some sort. He doesn't have a department to be able to forward those emails to...
2. Promoting the company, he may be doing...but most importantly, why would you update people if there isn't anything substantial to update? You dont know the details of the Glacier deal, you don't know if they are still surveying land and trying to figure out how best to implement, etc. etc.
So, what is there to tell?
Maybe he has a plan, maybe he is still formulating, but given the experience the guy has I doubt he will answer to people that don't have much affiliation with the company. Market to consumers, to doctors, to insurance companies, etc. would be a more important venture. Getting the ground work for the business to grow without hype. Kind of like certain things "sell themselves". You might get pressured into buying a donut, but unless you are wanting a donut franchise, then you probably won't buy one :P
Financials aren't out till end of March and sometimes keeping things hidden is a good thing so that you are in a stronger position when everything gets moving :)
Be patient. Middle of 3rd quarter...been saying this since Nov. 5 2011 :P
Just going to take some time and unless you do marketing yourself, I doubt you know what all he is dealing with...
Haven't the reports so far been saying that they've been treating near max load every day now (2-3 patients per day)?
What more do you expect marketing to do?
What do you define as real movement?
Hopefully you're not saying a dime won't come until October, right?
Cause otherwise we're all on the same page...big #s not till mid 3rd Quarter-ish...
But i think we'll see a dime if so-so results and if pretty good results all things considered then I could see it cracking $.20.
I looked at their last filing in Nov and just added a quarter (3 months)...i.e. 2/21 since it last came out on Nov. 21, 2011 :P
But ty. Will do better DD going forward ;)
I still disagree. The higher values October fine, but movement as soon as the financials come out...
Shows stability...I think it'll break a dime easily.
Where are you finding these dates for the release of their financials?
Ty...and Darn i thought they were giving it out of the current pot. Doh.
Did anybody notice the dilution?
I guess they exercised shares or released them or something...but outstanding shares went from 75.43 million to 118.14 million...
Otherwise we would be approaching 5 cents >:|
NO...6 months? lol...I guess to each his/her own, but no way is it 6 months to cross .04 unless there is BAD news this time around.
They don't have to even show a positive income this time around for us to break that in my opinion. Just show better margins, increasing revenues, and add those to the glacier deal + treating 2-3 patients a day and we know for a fact that we have a positive moving trend.
That would get us, even with a loss showing for the fourth quarter last year, into or even past .04s. Still could hit a dime...
When the new clinics open and that firs positive net income report comes out...it will trend towards it's book value per share (in the .40s?). So, at LEAST .25 per share. I think anticipation of a positive report as it nears it's release would put us at .25 and then actual release of it would tell us company is around and worth at least it's book value which will make it go to .40 to .50 / share.
Middle of 3rd quarter (when 2nd quarter 2012 results are released) I think we will be in the $.40 range. 3rd quarter results if the trend continues and revenue streams are added and growing quarter over quarter then we will see the $.75 to $1.00 mark.
But again, my opinion and all of that is based on heavy heavy assumptions that we see great improvement each quarter.
I really feel like a broken record and I am sure we all do by now. We are all technically right and therefore we technically are all simultaneously wrong. It is entirely dependent upon the results. Nothing to say until those things come out whethere it is next week or next month. Till that point in time we are all just SPECULATING :)
You don't need significant income to get it moving, you just need something that they can set a positive trend to (i.e. from losses last time, to break even with expectations of going further next quarter).
The $.75+ range won't come without at least 2 quarters of sustained growth and a profit. My best guess is September 2012(release of 2nd quarter financials).
But nothing is going to happen from here until the financials actually come out confirming what we all think is happening. At this point in time we dont know if they got sued, had an extraordinary expense, etc. etc.
Everything is on hold until financials. If they are past the break even then I really think we could see the $.25 range in a week or two. I really think $1 is attainable by end of 2012 if things fall properly and they continue to expand and get positive results with few legal setbacks (lawsuits, fda issues, etc. etc.) :)
If they show strong positive net income solo this time and the quarter after Glacier shows a strong positive trend / net income then $1 would be here mid year and we could be looking at the $2+ mark.
Really nothing to say until the financials come out...all speculation till then unless you have insider information ;)
Just realized that got confusing with the word "lot"...if you say "a lot" think many. Whereas filling a lot is actually a block of shares that they need to round off.
http://www.hotstockmarket.com/t/59535/market-maker-signals
(About 1/2 way down the page...)
"Biggest load of crap I have ever heard. This keeps popping up every few months when somebody 'discovers' it again over and over.
You may have heard of this new invention call the telephone. MMs find it easier to make calls than to send smoke signals.
As for those small trades, trading desks always have to square off, somebody needed a few more shares to fill a lot.. etc."
I'm not entirely sure that it is manipulation so much as filling a lot...and you have to remember THEY create a lot of the market, hence "market makers". If they have to fill a lot and it has to come from an actual person, the prices could be significantly different. They provide liquidity to the market. They are buying and selling within a much tighter range than most of us...
Where would you sell right now? Not until .0001 or $1.00 or so, right? So, they have to find someone or some other MM to fill lots and make things happen within a more realistic range.
Just think about it...maybe not shorting so much as just trying to do business the normal way
I think they will have some, enough to show that it has a real shot at making it. The big bump I still maintain as we will find out after 2 quarters of growing revenue.
They've been treating 2-3 patients per day and they made a deal with Glacier. I imagine part of that to be a small pot of cash to keep them afloat and yes that qualifies as revenue / income. I think they could show a positive income...
If they do then that would be enough to at least bring them near their actual value. At least within 50-75% of their book value (not immediately, but within a relatively short amount of time).
If in the following quarter they showed revenue growth then that is enough for a positive trend line with some stability :)
That is when they will take off to be above their value and some multiple of their revenue...
I think mid 3rd quarter (2nd Q financials) will be the one that pushes us to the $.75 to $1 mark...but if the upcoming ones are very positive we could see $.25 to $.40 (probably just a $.10 - $.20 though).
Those are just my thoughts though :)
I doubt they are dragging it down, it just doesn't have any MORE demand right now. It is stagnant until the financials come out. Dont' worry...worst case is March 7th or so. Probably coming out next Monday or Tuesday. Until then I would expect it to be rather quiet :)
Thank you :)
Let's hope it draws some attention :)!
Guess they're going to make it a buzzer beater on the financials...
@Fido: I agree, we are causing MOST of this run up (we didn't cost the big 70% boost). Slow pudding rise is just until financials come out. Hordes of people are tracking it for sure by now...
@Kopper: It won't really matter how much we raise it, it will fall back down UNTIL those financials come out and all those onlookers / trackers actually buy :) Then it will shoot up...i think at LEAST over $.10, possibly closer to a quarter a share?
@bpm2: CALM DOWN! Don't worry about it LOL. A few days here and there aren't going to kill you. It is easy to manipulate right now because there are fewer willing to actually purchase more at current levels. I suspect they will file for an extension of 1 week like last time since the new independent auditor's came in beginning of this month. At MOST March 7th for financials (Till 28th to file, week extension like they did last time puts it at March 7th). Which March 7th works for me cause I get paid again and can buy more lol.......
:-P
And since the admins like to restrict my posting to 2 per day for god knows what reason I am going to go ahead and say have a wonderful weekend to everyone!
I guess asking about the stock or discussing other people's posts or referencing their posts is a sin here even though everyone else seems to do it without restrictions?! REALLY just feels like they are out to get me at this point to be honest...other people do exactly what I do and do not get restricted lol. Let the community be a community. GRRR...
How do you raise the bid?
I had assumed they would come out the 14th since 11/14 was when the extension was filed for last quarter, but maybe it is from the 11/21 reporting date? And maybe they file for an extension again since they just brought on a new audit firm and so it could be 2/21 or 2/28?
Who knows :)
Eventuality...then yes it should ride to cloud 9 :P
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And I wouldn't worry about 3 cents or 4 cents or 5 cents. In due time it will surpass all of those ;)
The moment that really good financial statement hits I really think it'll ride into the 30 cent range within 72 hours of it. And then after a 2nd quarter of stable financials and some trend of growth (and that first added revenue stream from the Glacier holding deal) we will see it surpass $1 :)
I dont' think they need the FL to be open for investors to know it will be worth that much. Just need to see increasing revenues seeing 2-3 patients per day and the glacier deal should provide.
But, my original and still most likely scenario is too much planning done in 4Q, thus the financials won't be as strong in 4Q. 1Q 2012 will show solid financials (mid of 2Q) and then 2Q will show solid financials meaning we find out yes, in middle of 3Q :)
One way or another, we at least have converged upon the REALLY big price to be around then...but who knows...could easily go farther and faster if Glacier deal gives them another way to open up more clinics or see more patients.
Anything can happen. $.10 is doable if 4Q financials are decent...$.50 would be a while after that :)
No, I think an incredibly large jump will happen when most investors can see stable financial growth. That is 2 good sets of financials. If this one is good along with next quarter, then it would be middle of 2nd quarter that those financials get released and that is when we would see $.81-1 land :)
@Everybody
How many shares do you have? Roughly...im really curious how many have more than 1 million
DreamBig did you ever make it to there?
And Kopper, marlon, 65vette did you ever actually sell? Everyone else?
@ADMINS: This is all relevant to the stock as it affects demand for shares so for the love of god just let a community board be...just because it isnt' discussing a specific technical of the stock doesn't mean the discussion isn't relevant the stock!
.0000 or maybe negative bye end of day for sure
i dont know i think it is going to go
i don't see them going anywhere with PR i think they will be .000 by end of day for sure or maybe even negatives
BWHAHAHAHAH lol......funny how we haven't heard that lately. Something finally got his mouth closed
On a serious note:
Fly CEYY!
I think revenues are going to show not only the constant 2-3 per day, but with the cash injection from Glacier deal we will see a much needed increase AND then it will hook others!
Just a matter of time before it catches enough eyes to go through the ceiling!
May I ask how many shares you now own? Can email if it would help for privacy ( itsatatti@gmail.com )
And does anyone own more than 1,000,000 shares?
More than 2,000,000?
I was going to ask about 500,000 shares, but I feel I have seen way too many posts claiming hundreds of thousands being bought...pretty sure plenty of people own more than 500,000.
Where are those #s spelled out?
the 6.9 million and the 11.58
Thanks
So, the PR isn't what is needed...the growth whether it be revenue or revenue sources (clinics) need to be achieved and THEN just let people know.
The release itself is worthless without an actual complete expansion and/or revenues or patient load growth at least. This accounts of a situation where the insurance sits on the claim for upto 90 days meaning you could have a whole quarter where you have huge patient growth, but no income growth...
It'll come in time :)
Nothing to really say in my opinion till somewhere in the 2nd quarter
It is a possibility, but it is also a possibility that it could hit $10 next week. I think more realistic is that it could hit $2-$4 next week as much as it could hit $.000 next week. So, just an incredibly unlikely scenario.
But in those possiblities, in my opinion, it wouldn't hit $.000 over lack of Dr. Phil or Dr. Oz. It is reaching plenty of people to start moving upwards and thus make investors want more. If it went to $.000 it would be a lawsuit + inability to pay on debt + no signs of revenues coming soon. And if there was no talk about another company acquiring them, then that would scare away every investor and then YES it could hit $.000.
:)
Little man stocks don't hit .000 from lack of press. They hit it from lack of being able to support themselves / show revenues. It is on the radar of plenty of people and they can afford some press which means it isn't gone. They just need to get the business side going before those investors will act.
So, yes your opinion, but your opinion is wrong :P
If it hits .000 it won't be because of lack of press.
Ads that's totally fine to think that..but for once you actually gave reasoning even if we don't agree with it.
They are cash strapped, the money to advertise over radio is much more affordable
Ok, now see that is a real question worth answering.
You are right, no amount of PR alone can ever bring it back. Which is exactly why everyone is waiting on financials! The #s don't lie...
If there are revenues and moreover growing revenues then this will take off as #s combined with press will revive it in a heart beat. I think $1 is realistic after 2 quarterly financial reports and 1 clinic opening. So, 2nd and 3rd Q (possibly 1st and 2nd Q) financials I feel will be strong enough guidance for investors and they will have 1-3 clinics open by then (hopefully). So, middle of 4th Q I think it is going to crack the $1 mark! At least $.81 anyways...
See Chris? No one screaming at you, no nonsense given, etc. You asked a reasonable question and got a reasonable answer!
Although, reasonable is subjective :P
I actually agree with that...
They probably just do not have the cash flow to make it happen right now. Once they get going, they will ramp up fast. Getting going may be a while though lol!
Can do whatever this month, financials are due to be released mid Feb. I wouldn't bank on much activity upwards till that time
And then I wouldn't bet on any incredibly large jumps till 2Q results are announced. I doubt 4Q of last year had much to offer since they were in the midst of the merger. But if we see even a little bit of revenue then it will jump considerably high relative to its current price.
But here is a question, why are you so insistent on posting negative comments all the time? Are you buying up stock by pushing value down? Are you just a miserable person that life dealt a bad hand, thus you want everyone else to be miserable as well?
We get it.
You forever will think there is a new low coming about and are a hopeless chore that we have to put up with on these boards.
And apparently ignoring / muting you doesn't seem to work either lol. Trust me, I've tried!
That's what I've done...my avg. price is pretty darn low now. Although, relative to the current price, it is still hovering around double :P
But as I get more cash I will just continue to buy :)
If they even show the same $366,000 in this quarter as they had all last year then it is going to easily go $.10 to $.20.
Pip beat you to it by 10 hours :P
Let's just hope the company gets the attention it deserves now!
Yeah this type of volatility has typically preceded news of some sort ;)
Thought I posted that a few minutes ago, but I guess it didn't take. In any case, YAY for publicity!
That projection is probably in the 2-3 year range assuming things go moderately well...if it goes super well could be as little as 1.5ish? But high side could easily be in the 3-5 year range :)
Really dependent upon how quickly they can raise capital, get into the black, grow revenues, grow clinics, and how negotiations seem to be going year after year with insurance companies cause then you can account for increasing revenue sources, increasing margin, etc.
At the moment there is just no data to suggest what those rates realistically will be (huge risk ranges), but there is sufficient data to say it will go up...just need to be patient :)
But those will really change in the next 6 months. Could change tomorrow, but I am sticking with release of strategy this quarter, increasing revenue next quarter, and 2Q financials will come in midst of 3Q which will spark the super quick swing upwards. The max I could see on this given their projections is $1.81, but the realistic high side I think is in the $.81 range for this year based upon current revenue projections and the book value. But we all know one really good piece of news, one really good article, or one hefty quarter could easily throw it to the $1.00 to $1.50 range :) If 3Q is super fantastic then projections for year after change significantly and it could easily trade 10-30x the future revenue projections ($4m this year, might be $10-$20M projected revenues for the following year).
But for a penny stock, this is particular one has significantly more realistic potential! It will go up, but the how much upside is very very unclear right now. If the hefty news came 2Q could see $2 by year end...never know :)
I think having a pretty sure fire idea that you will see at least $.50 is great, cause that is almost 20x current value returned in the next few months. Not too many can keep that pace...
And from there growing 800% in 1-2 years after that is still almost an impossible growth rate to find :)
Cash flow will also play a significant role. If the influx is higher than outflux then there is less need or no need to dilute shares, to take on more debt, etc. etc. Which would again play a huge role in how much the company is "valued" at :)
When dealing with this type of situation companies can simply accrue wages payable and not pay them...
The guy is probably ok and has savings in place and has a large upside if he can swing this. And $75k is NOTHING for that type of position LOL. He is probably in the hundreds of thousands, but the problem is he has to first help the company get successful to have that payout. Base pay would still easily be six figures for someone that has been at it that long and helped so many companies.
As far as projections for income go, they projected $4M in earnings this year. I think the majority of that will come in the 2nd quarter (so probably $2.5 to $3M in 3rd and 4th quarter).
$4M revenue means they will see approximately 91 patients this entire YEAR, but is a growth of revenue of more than 10x (I think they only had $366k from last quarter).
But, most companies trade 10-30x their earning potential for the year after...
I think the big news pieces that are going to make them sky rocket are:
1. The opening of the first new clinic (they said every 60-90 days, so one per quarter at least...but waiting on the first).
2. Revenues from clinics will be major because it shows that the company will continue to grow and now you have a real trend starting to form. The growth rate of revenues will allow people to plot out how much they are worth over the next few years, but will also rely on the rate of them opening new clinics.
3. These things will give a baseline, stability, and realistic growth trends for their revenue (ability to open clinics, manage, negotiate better insurance payouts, appeal to market, etc.). After which their stock will be in the 10-20x projected income of the following year.
4. All of that should put it over the $4 point for long enough to get them out of the pink sheets :P
At which point their prices will inflate to an unrealistic amount, at which point we sell and they issue new stock to get more funds to continue growth as a regular turtle company :P
Basically, you are going to have really hold out and be patient till 2Q results are out (i've been saying this for a while). By then they will have media coverage, strategy, revenues, 1-2 new clinics, etc. etc. and people will deem them stable enough to invest if properly managed.
BE PATIENT is what we are saying lol
And nice volume today
At which point
It wasn't aimed at you...there is only ONE really negative person on these boards and I think he does it cause he just likes to be a nuissance and has nothing better to do.
And I doubt they will dillute further at the moment. It is hardly worth anything, so they would have to pump it up first...big time though :P
The guy probably accepted with promises of huge stock options later on ;)
Volatility and a giant upward swing would be needed to make those worth his while.
Most of them are probably in it to see it through at this point and are betting their "salaries" on success of the company...which seems more realistic now!
What good is saying something if there is nothing back it? Then you are like the one individual who is CONSTANTLY negative attitude towards things because he is probably just trying to drive price down so he can buy :)
Anyone can make a statement as the other person is doing, but not everyone can back it ;)