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SAEI I see that you have a few dogs of your own in this race. Good luck with your picks. (No pun intended) I found the articles interesting. They all seemed to be full of political meanderings and top heavy government involvement. Kind of like $1500 toilet seats funded with Soviet era toilet paper. The very idea of trucking ore 1250 kilometers for processing is hilarious. Gold was also a lot cheaper then and appealing to the gold purchasing practices of domestic jewelers was another gem.
Inefficiency seemed to be the big hurdle, not locating or digging. That is typical of government run operations complicated with too many interested parties all bidding for separate agendas.
(He did mention that the Romans used to wander around picking gold up off of the ground...Nice!)
Eastern Russian mining season is about over. I hope you don't intend to regale us with 13 year old horror stories all winter.
I did person mark you because you seem patient and like to dig. This is just not the placer for Siberian pitches. (pun intended)
SAEI (SAEIE) See this is the precise point that I was trying to make and obviously it was misconstrued. The idea that we are waiting for an NI 43-101 before we can move upwards as opposed to my contention that all of the requisite elements, such as the 10-Q, the PRs and the lab results are already in place for a great move. Please regard the definition of an NI 43-101, who requires that one is prepared and posted and tell me where in the PR it says that we should expect one? If this team here on IHub is going to sit around for a few more weeks, waiting on a document that will never come, then I see no need to stay in and not just come back and buy twice as many shares later on. Any predictions about further news are as hollow as the predictions that told us to add the weekend before some of us added shares at $0.21.
If nobody is ready to back our plays, we have to evaluate each day that we hold with the same evidence that we decided whether or not to buy. If the consensus is to wait then that is what we should be prepared for, not some fiction that a few wish to project. Sentiment seems to be waning and that informs our decisions to hold. I'm kinda sick of being the perma-bull while the new guys hold out for cheaper shares. If cheap is what is desired, that is what you all shall have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instrument_43-101
SAEI (SAEIE) I too like a nice steady rise as opposed to a sudden bolt through the highest resistance. We can reestablish an uptrend if we set ourselves to the task. That feature alone on the charts should help immensely. The bargain hunters showed up after that last run and more will certainly come, holding us back, until that new trend is a fact. It's just the way these things behave. Low floats are great for the ability to rise but they are equally, if not more, vulnerable to the ability to fall. Good Luck Reg. We can win this.
SAEI (SAEIE) If you get a replay on the 4th down, you don't ground the ball, you go for the first. I am saying that we have all of the elements in place for a touchdown but don't count on the other team to run it in for us. The "blather" about needing to capitalize on the news that we already have and not give into the "mental barrier" that those waiting for even more news that they have no indication is coming before we reach lower levels than this is entirely appropriate in my opinion. If you want to bidsit, then there is little I can say, without pumping, to convince you otherwise. However, it is in direct opposition to my contention that we need to use what we have while it is still fresh.
Your approach has seen this stock drop in the last two weeks while we waited on news of the E dropping. Now you suggest kicking the can down the road again and waiting for WHAT exactly?
BTW, One bidsitter can hold a low float stock down with the willing aid of the MMs. Until we get the movement we need, such behavior is purely detrimental and takes advantage of those who are buying in good faith on the ASK.
SAEI (SAEIE) After a while, you may begin to notice that most of the posters here are interested in the stock and not making bets, ironclad predictions, names for ourselves, deals with other users, extracting irrelevant statements from others, and garnering apologies from people who doubt us. That being said, whatever happened to just going away till December? Not that your credibility is at issue or even of consequence in the life of Supatcha but you do seem to be concerned with such things.
As for your prediction that mid-holiday-week losses cannot be recovered with or without the restored ticker, I highly doubt that.
SAEI (SAEIE) Each of us has something that he could contribute. You have accounting skills. Nobody can spin a better case for a stock than a CPA. People are attacking us on various boards like Stock Hideout and Yahoo. Many are adrift when it comes to assessing fundamentals. Targeting a specific charge and refuting it can defuse a situation and shame a one-trick basher into submission allowing a new investor to get a better and more confident picture of what he is buying. As you can tell, I am more strategy oriented and I look for leverage points in the bigger picture. I try to think outside the box, gauge sentiments and erect defenses that may be required or look for weak spots in the enemy's armor. As a team we can all make this a solidly performing stock.
I am in another gold stock that is the highest priced gold mining penny stock on IHub. It's chart is virtually a flat line for months and doesn't dwindle away under MM and short attacks because it is at a safer level. I would like for us to get to a safer level too and soon.
I am saying that we need movement and soon. The major complaint that we are faced with is that people are tired of waiting. Other gold stocks that are relentlessly pumped present traders with immediate opportunities that they can relate to. We have to use what we have while it is fresh. If that means getting some more eyes on us to help reestablish a trend, then so be it. As long as we hold and don't freak out when we see massive green coming our way it can hold the gains. The move up will come eventually, you are right about that, but without some volume, the MMs can work it down faster from these levels than we can work it up. Once we are comfortably ensconced over a buck we can relax and rely on investors to hold us there.
Of course, if the PRs start flowing and the services pick them up, then we can relax a bit. I just believe that we have been cheated out of some much-deserved recognition, recently.
Hi Bill. Please check out the DD done by the folks on the SAEI board and add it to your watch list long enough to see how easily this low float seldom promoted stock can move. We have been building a following since the initial pump, the E was removed from the ticker this weekend and many have been waiting for that event to get in. The company has just done drillings that have exposed an easy $500,000 to $4.5 billion worth of gold in a volcanic region of the Trans Caucasus that has been mined for over 2000 years and offers are being tendered for JVs or possible buyouts by large miners. They have secured the much coveted permits and are set to join with other miners or exploit it themselves.
This one is all set to move, fully reporting OTCBB stock with 28.5 million shares in the float. It dropped from $0.40 after a F\S with the addition of the E to the ticker for slow reporting by it's former accounting firm and has made major discoveries and acquisitions since June.
Good Luck and Wealth to All
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=17527
SAEI (SAEIE) This is going to be a confusing time for many, and much posted DD and many messages out there on the Web may be lost in the shift. Yahoo and other sites have yet to implement the ticker change. I don't follow that site well enough to know if old postings will endure there. As I said before, it will fall to us to do a lot of the promotion for this stock. Creeps, cynics and bashers will accuse us of pumping all the while ignoring the stock and cash that other companies put out there for exposure on this site and others like Stock Hideout. IHub has a great bunch of traders but lots of fresh money is out there on sites that people who never make it in here use. Let's try not to be so insular with our efforts and share the wealth of our knowledge with others.
The fact that most every great news item that we have dug up hasn't appeared in the trading consoles of major brokerages, is a wake up call that we can't just sit back and expect to be spoon fed the news. Keep contacting your brokers with inquiries about why they refuse to post our good news, for one thing. Never let an opportunity pass to point out that this company is not paying for exposure like so many of the other movers in this sector already have done, for another.
Teaching, coaching, informing, being the squeaky wheel, tooting our own horns, or just spreading the word is not pumping. If a resume makes it no farther than your printer it is not likely to land you many jobs.
TURN UP THE VOLUME!
If you have a favorite site post the link so we can help out there. I have been trying with little success to find sites similar to IHub in places where gold enjoys a special cultural interest like India, China, and Korea. Personal ownership of gold in many cultures is fundamental to a sense of security and respect.
SAEI I just want to say, for the record, that all of the components for a nice price increase are in place now. The company has already sent the samples from the Phase I and Phase II drillings to an independent lab which they gave as FDS Laboratory in Almaty, Kazakhstan. They have given us those results. They gave us a comprehensive 10-Q and have a fully reporting OTCBB traded security. If anybody shows up demanding more I am not sure that they will get it for some time to come. Curiosity about further details is the right of anyone but they don't necessarily have the right to the answers. Whatever deals that they have brewing they may play very close to the vest so continuous speculation about assays, cash flow, deals or plans to develop the tracts, may have a double edged impact going forward from here.
This is not a pumpy company. One might even say that they are rather inept at making a case for their successes in terms that the average investor can relate to. It may well fall upon us investors to do our own promotional work if we wish to see the market respond to the facts that are out there on a limited basis. I am not trying to lower expectations of where the stock will eventually end up, but in the nearer term, it will probably need defense and offense. There is bound to be some more heavy lifting ahead and every person who shows up looking for a bargain is draining some of the little time that we have to capitalize on the attention that we have. If we cannot show some near term progress, then this will quickly become an investment that you just put away and not bother to watch every minute.
To sum it up...Relying on Luck and Farsighted Traders is not a likely formula for successfully maintaining a healthy PPS in a Penny Stock.
Good Luck
SAEI Mine probably reflects the last traded price of .027 because I had it on my watch list for some time prior to the change. It may update with a whopping percentage increase on Monday morning. Hard to say. I hate it when the charts in my console get all messed up so I hope those translate.
SAEI Mine too, and it is listed as SAEI but it has the old price of .027 listed. My portfolio just took a huge hit! LOL But be aware, E*Trade cancels all "Good Until Cancelled" orders at exactly 60 days.
SAEI (SAEIE) Might as well confess, Mate. You are secretly with Rio Tinto aren't you? You guys are trying for a double play here, stock and rock. LOL
SAEI (SAEIE) That is a good point, booki. The name used for the Canadian document, NI 43-101, has been used interchangeably lately, perhaps because this was solely a Canadian outfit at one time. More properly, it should probably be referred to as "Independent Assay Report" or some other descriptive term. Maybe we have a a Kazakh gold expert around here that knows the correct nomenclature but for the layman stock investor, NI 43-101 might serve as a suitable generic descriptor. (The lab being used is in Kazakhstan.)
Historic document:
http://www.admmr.state.az.us/Publications/circ091assayers.pdf
SAEI (SAEIE) He is right. There are some haters on Stock Hideout too. We have to live down the last pump according to some and turn in stellar fundamentals according to others and miraculously be sitting back at .40 by even others' standards. There will always be chronic penny-minded fools who profess high standards but are probably just jealous of every sub-penny share that is still out there.
Get the independent assays and some green under our belt and we should rock.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention all of the ones who are sweating their own red stocks right now and will have to take big losses if they want to get into this one.
There is no end to the excuses people will make to butt into our business.
Here is the link to the chat room
http://chat.stockhideout.com/flashcoms/index_ads.php
They just jumped me there for being a "Relentless Pumper" of this stock and I have only posted news there for a couple of weeks.
SAEI (SAEIE) Seen it many times before. Great and long awaited news arrives and it trades slow even down a bit. Might pop a little and then dip and then look like another little pop...Then WHOOSH! Do not let your guard down now or try to flip. You may be making the biggest mistake, especially if you are a bit red now. What is set to happen here will put grown men on the wrong side of the bid into shock.
SAEIE (SAEI) Wouldn't it also be dependent upon the share exchange that occurred at the time? I would think that it would behoove us to maintain the best PPS that we possibly can in anticipation of that eventuality. If they offered us 4 bucks a share, that would be the price that we should expect the market to value us at immediately. Since our conservative (non-pumping) assumption is for half a billion bucks worth of gold, we might expect an offer somewhere between there and 8 bucks and still represent a profitable buy for Kinross. If the NI 43-101 indicates an even higher projection adjust accordingly. I have seen many stocks in buyout offers valued higher than the acquiring entity prior to the deals.
Generally, I have seen prices accompany offers. In fact, with competition, it can become the topic of much heated debate on the various new services.
SAEIE (SAEI) We have had a poor couple of weeks and we have some disappointed new arrivals. Those of us who expect this to recover and more have been using this time to do DD, keep the faithful entertained and to keep hope alive.
I just got back in from putting out more winter grass seed. Been doing it for weeks in this dry weather we are having. Birds pick at it and my animals just look at me and think, "Where is that damn grass?". I just put out more and keep hoping. As soon as I sat down I heard thunder. Since I started typing this, a nice rain has started falling. I swear, it is looking greener already.
SAEIE will bear fruit soon so forgive us if we keep planting seeds. Hear the thunder?
I will add it to my watch list. The big pick that I am giving my friends is in my My Stocks. Look for huge percentage gains in the coming weeks.
I have looked into most all of the popular ones and comparing them to this one, I have to say, "SAEIE spoiled me."
Lots of the alluvial mining operations are seasonal. The S stock doesn't have their dredges in place for the African mining season which began this month, plus they are hyping REEs which they have no way in hell of processing. The Far Eastern Russian ones have maybe a week or two of operations left before the ice starts forming. The C stock is hype or at least everybody could suddenly assume that any day now, if they already haven't. The D stock's chart is extremely scary and gives the appearance of hanging way out on a limb with the ground very far below. Plus it is tunnel mining. Those tend to sink much more into the ground in relation to what they pull out. The T stock is right in the middle of a bunch of FARC and drug strongholds. Crazy! Makes me pucker up just thinking about it. The I stock that was hyped this week by IHub and many other sites, I sat in on the pump in a chat room Wednesday and saw that it was shortlived interest. Nothing earth beating has emerged to make me think it will hold gains.
SAEI is going to put them all in dust with nuggets.
SAEIE (SAEI) WELCOME ABOARD! Here's to making lots of money together! This has been a great week of opportunity for lots on traders to get in. This is the only gold penny that I give to my friends as a pick. It just looks that promising.
SAEIE (SAEI) Has the new 10-Q out confirming the purchase of the mineral tracts and the E will drop now. These prices won't last long as many who are watching it won't or are not allowed to buy a stock with an E on it. Time to load the boat. Been selling a few slow movers and getting more. There is an Aussie group that is rumored to have a lot of interest coming in, and are just awaiting the opportunity to start slapping bigger ASKs.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7550956
Yup, a range where we should have easily been trading at for weeks now, had we not been so manipulated. I can totally see why the Forward Looking nature of the news and the E appearing in June would cause a sell off but the discoveries and the deals made to lock them up and exploit them, so far, have much farther reaching importance.
The company has a bit of a problem with promotions and image. They are definitely not skilled at pumping and no new shares showed up on the last run. Those are pretty good indications that they busy with real work and not just out to scam us for shares. The website could use some touching up of details, updated postings and I hope they have a IT guy handling that.
I think we are very fortunate to get in at these levels because of the confluence of all of these quirks and events and these prices won't last long.
Setting our perspective back a few months, Ten Million in debt probably seemed like a huge deal to holders in June. Now, with a line on a conservative half a billion dollars worth of gold and possibly as much as 4 billion, as projected by some, the 10 million doesn't seem so daunting.
That was prior to the Forward Split and is baked-in and, No, it won't lead to a lot of dilution but rather shows the faith in this venture and gave them the funds to acquire these righteous tracts.
They should have gotten the Five for One shares that all of us did. That will end up being the best deal struck by a penny stock this decade, IMO.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7550956
Well, now that it's in the hands of the State of Nevada and we don't have to endure listening to people harp on it quite as much. The board really turned on us and some people fell for some of the tricks being played here.
Nobody was keeping secrets from people, it is just better not to give someone who shows up from another gold stock on two separate accounts posting bi-polar BS the ammunition to attack us further.
I have seen that one or two troublemakers can drive almost every long off of some boards in the past. Try not to fall for their tricks and just call them out on individual falsehoods without attacking them personally.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7550956
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=56236896
Good Luck to All
The Say Hey Kid, don't let this drama get you down. I for one, have no special or secret knowledge obtained from other users here. I like the stock, and think you contribute to the board. We will get all we need when we need it. What we know or think is really hardly of use if most don't come to the same realization eventually. What makes us some extra bucks is figuring it out sooner than others. Since we have that locked, no problem.
Trade groups like you suggest, do exist and they are not all that secretive about their activities. I admit that I had that same impression during the last big run and I got pretty sore and almost sold the stock because of the iron grip and cultish behavior. The ones of us who stuck around after that, definitely suffered the damage from it but we held in here because we do believe in this company.
It took hard work from all of us to get the stock up and some betrayed us but there are many who never even get on IHub who don't have our support system who sold and left for the simple reason that it was falling. I am not even in here most days but out there trying to contact them and pass along what I find along the way. There was absolutely no good reason for the stock to have dropped all the way from .40 and to be remaining down here with all of the good news that has both come from the company and been discovered by the people that you mistrust so much.
None of us has true power over a stock's price but with a tiny float like this, it is very volatile. Hoping that we get some who will hold till we can reestablish a reasonable level is not asking a lot. What you call, "adding or dumping at will" I see as a positive for the company and other stockholders. Eventually, most of the owners will have a similar average price and then we will all be holding our gains much more securely. That is why I like to see a gradual rise, and not just a big run and subsequent dump. The MMs and shorts are absolutely preventing that gradual rise with their manipulations. If they can hold us to the bursting point they can hope to bring it back down fast and cover, in just a few days, the shares that they have been borrowing all along. Like fools, perhaps, we are hoping that enough educated investors will come to prevent that big selloff from becoming a certainty.
I think his insight on SAEIE is refreshing, thought provoking, and spot-on in most cases. He even brings new information and some answers that we haven't gotten around to asking the corresponding questions, due to being bogged down in the same old routine of answering the same tired questions over and over.
Every stock is different but haven't you noticed that the people who want the price to drop and those afraid to buy them always fall back to the same narrow set of questions? Then again, sometimes, one who fancies himself a particularly talented critic, will find a question that he can ask that nobody can answer so he will use it repeatedly, trying to elevate it to the Holy Grail of Investing. Believe me, that is just as tiresome and annoying as the guys who just post the simple-minded lies and they mean it to be.
This is a great place to post thoughts, hopes, hints, rumors, emails, research, leads, clues, and expectations. We just aren't giving people who will misuse or turn good news into some kind of conspiracy theory, the ammunition that they need to play their silly games anymore.
Don't take it so hard. You have been sent to Coventry, Old Chap. Prove yourself in the Vanguard and perhaps you will be welcome in the Regimental Mess once again.
If you want to support or attack the stockholders and the company, you will just need to produce something of value to be taken seriously. It also helps if you can hold a steady course. By "steady course" I don't mean harping endlessly, asking the same question and getting the same answers from dozens of users over and over again.
Thanks. If I seem like a hard ass it's just because I want them and all of us to make lots of money.
Don't forget this little tidbit.
http://www.zv.com.ua/eng/about_corp
Give me a hint as to where to look for the sat images and I will try.
For SAEIE supporters: Just a reminder, voluntarily supplying information to a critic of the company could potentially ruin the chances of a SLAPP lawsuit against that blogger or critic in the eventuality that a cease and desist order was issued. If they misappropriate the information or gain it through deceptive practices they are liable and do not enjoy the protection of Nevada's anti-SLAPP statutes. Many companies are on the OTCBB to avoid filing reports that competition could use to harm them. Don't give into taunts by individuals who are fully aware of these rules and the reasons for them.
Wise words and there are undoubtedly many who would love to add at today's price but the market is so slow that they are having problems exiting dull positions. I hope they can get in before the news or the morning run makes them penny wise and pound foolish. Remember, Folks, we can't expect them to hold off on news forever.
Should be no problem finishing green today. That afterhours stunt they pulled last night would look ridiculous today. I say that but they have no shame.
SAEIE Flipping, Master Plan:
Hey! Gold is hot, Imma find me some stock.
Lookie! This is down and I can get a good percentage on a little movement.
"Hi, Everybody! I hope you didn't let the pumpers make bagholders of you because this is tanking BAAAADDDD!" ~pat self on back~ "It's TANKING!" (Heh heh heh)
Morning sell off. Sweet! <Gimme 5000 shares>
"WE ARE RUNNING! BUY! BUY! BUY!"
"Nothing, Mom! Can't you see that I am working down here? Make me a sandwich."
Oooo, After lunch pop. <Sell 5000 shares>
"I'm getting out! This is way overbought! I knew this was a scam! They are diluting! SELL!"
Daytime TV sucks. "No Mom! Dad didn't leave me any gas for the mower."
Goodie! Daytraders exiting. <Buy 5000 shares>
My order won't fill!
"GAP DOWN IN THE MORNING! MUST BE BAD NEWS COMING!"
Damn, I have to chase it! <Buy 3500 shares>
"Mom, remember that money you promised me for my birthday?" Market closing. Oops, Dad is off work! I better go stand by the garage door and hold a broom.
Next Day
Sweet, morning run! Imma make a bundle today! <Sell 3500 shares>
"That E is never coming off this POS! It's in the third world! What a scam!"
Darn still climbing! Crap! <Buy 2500 shares>
"Mom! You are making me lose money here! I will get to it. Make me a sandwich."
"BUY! BUY! BUY! GOLD IS AT A NEW HIGH!"
Uh oh....Pull back. This thing really is tanking.
"STOP SELLING!"
Yikes! OMG Dad is gonna kill me! <Sell 2500 shares>
WTF? Not again!
"It must be dilution! Don't listen to the pumpers! I am entitled to my opinion! "
I think it is really taking off this time. OMG <Buy 1500 shares>
"TO DA MOON! NEWS IS COMING TOMORROW!"
"Mom, tell Dad I don't feel well, puweez?"
Even the Next Day
IT'S OPENING RED! <Sell 1500 shares>
NO! NO! NO! Another bounce! <Buy 500 shares>
"THIS WILL BE $0.50 BY EOD!" ....
Most Excellent Point!
Thank You for that confirmation of our powers of perception and good judgment. We will obviously go much farther if we discourage flip floppers from playing with our investments. I can understand your frustration and confusion about SAEIE (SAEI) as it is a different sort of stock. This is not suited for the average novice flipper and they should avoid it. Winnowing out weak hands and uncertain traders helps all investors.
The logic that tells one that one is being pumped-in or scammed, breaks down when one is informed that one and one's money is just not wanted here.
Better Luck with Your Next Find.
Getting cozy with shorts and flippers on a low float stock is like watching a woman's butt while driving a Formula 1. It's dangerous and will not win the race. You also don't want to share the track with a bunch of Sunday Drivers who can't even get to high gear or psychopaths who will do anything to win. If they don't add shares because they are sweats or don't have the information to make them cover now instead of later, that is just the proper application of Survival of the Fittest. The people who are trying to add negativity at this level will never make it to where we are bound because they think in fractions of cents not dollars. They are dead weight and good riddance. Reassuring vs. pumping is a fine line to walk. There are those here who are "made men" and those we need to keep an eye on. It has been said that a weapon looses half of it's effectiveness when your enemy knows that you have it. If it is potentially earth shattering news, let it come as a surprise, don't show your cards till all bets have been placed.
Anybody who is rushing is probably just wanting to get out with a few cents now.
I think it is safe to say, with the games they are playing, that there are some higher ASKs, out there in the ether, that the MMs will not only not show but will refuse to fill at those levels even if we want to buy them there. Like ASCENDANCY10 has stated before, you can bid over the ASK and get filled lower. They are not only trying to hammer us down with bidwhacks and fake walls but they actively cheat traders out of value for shares that they wish to sell by hiding their shares. True, they may not have enough shares to show but, all the same, the not-filling of those orders is illegal.
Good to Know. Newenergy1 has my email and he can let me know if I need to know what it says. I've been in since .045 on the first leg up and added all the way to .21 and on the way down. I have had zero problems with the way the board has been handled since we lost some of our more insincere helpers. I am a proponent of steady climbs with ample opportunities to swap out holders on the way up to lessen the odds that somebody could show up and pump in a bunch of victims. Trapping people tends to leave many dissatisfied holders whose negative impressions hurt the company during a long slow period like this.
GLTA Longs.
This is one of the few stocks that I personally would ever recommend to a friend. I would, on that basis, prefer that you not have that email. Please don't ask for special consideration as you have stated plainly that you wish this stock to tank. It is our goal, as longs, to encourage stronger holders and not include those who are prone to flip, sell at critical moments or suddenly and frequently reverse their sentiments.
ALERT! ALERT! important plz read
This will not be the first time that this company has gotten the E dropped!
The former accounting firm had a tendency to not file on time.
It's replacement should alleviate that problem in the future.
The market's taking a beating today.
Time for the shorters to play.
Hold onto your positions,
And make good trade decisions.
They only have lame crap to say.