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google gasification waste to ethanol
numerous pages are available.
This mystery technology may not be as sophisticated
as our imaginations may perceive. It's time for Herda to show us the details IMO.
Nice find E
Also from that site E
Former Shell Exec Recommends Waste, not Crops as Biofuel Feedstock
5 January 2006
Reuters. Speaking to reporters at the Oxford Farming Conference, Lord Ron Oxburgh, former chairman of Shell Trading and Transport, said that biomass waste should be a preferred feedstock for biofuels rather than crops such as rapeseed and grain.
While using biomass waste also addresses the problem of waste disposal, the fertilizer and energy input required for growing crops reduces if not negates the benefits of a biofuel, he said.
“You really have got to think very hard about the amount the energy that goes into producing your biofuel,” he said.
“I think if they [British farmers] grow the same crops in the same way, it probably won’t work,” he told reporters.
Lord Oxburgh used Iogen’s production of cellulosic ethanol from waste straw in Canada (earlier post) as an example of an approach to biofuel production that is energy efficient and environmentally beneficial.
By contrast, he noted, the US uses the most energy-intensive method based on corn.
“You put in nearly as much energy into producing energy than you get out of it. It doesn’t actually make a lot of sense,” he said.
He also noted that importing palm-oil biodiesel in recently cleared rainforests in southeast Asia could cause adverse environmental impacts.
Lord Oxburgh was at the Oxford Conference to present a talk on “Farming’s role in the global energy crisis.”
Lord Oxburgh, who recently retired from Shell, has been outspoken about the dangers of climate change, the need for carbon sequestration and the need to move off of a fossil fuel platform. (Earlier post.)
At the UK’s Hay Festival in 2005, referring to the urgent need to develop alternatives to fossil fuels, he stated:
The boat is sinking, and we have to use everything that we possibly can.
Trained as a geologist, he was head of the Department of Earth Sciences and President of Queens’ College, Cambridge. (As an interesting coincidence, Oxburgh was a graduate school classmate of Princeton Prof. Ken Deffeyes, author of Hubbert’s Peak.) He is a Fellow of the Royal Society, an Honorary Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering and a Foreign of the U.S. Academy of Sciences.
He is also a crossbench life peer who sits on the House of Lords select committee on science and technology.
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A very credible gentleman. More resources should be used to develop and produce cellulosic ethanol on a worldwide basis to replace gasoline and diesel for land transport as soon as possible. Even Jet Aircraft and Ship engines could be adapted to use ethanol or biodiesel. Virgin Airlines is already considering it.
Posted by: Harvey D | Jan 5, 2006 1:45:01 PM
It's great to see a very respected and creadible gentleman like Lord Oxburgh making comments like these. Biofuels from cellulosic waste materials - either form agricultural or forestry waste or municipal solid waste - makes great sense. USDA and DOE estimate over a billion dry tons of sustainable supply is available annually in the United States.
Additionally, developing means of using cellulosic biomass for biofuels would allow the use of dedicated high-yield cellulosic crops like elephant grass (miscanthus), switchgrass or hemp which would have much better energy return on investment scenarios and yields per acre than using corn or soy as we do now.
Hear hear Lord Oxburgh! Cheers!
Posted by: Jesse Jenkins | Jan 5, 2006 6:39:07 PM
I think his concerns about using crops have a lot of merit. There is a very real possibility that biofuels could be completely overdone and cause widespread environmental degradation. Exactly what we don't want! Using waste materials should be the first thing we focus on. Used vegetable oil is the classic example.
Posted by: Tripp | Jan 5, 2006 8:46:48 PM
I could not agree more. As the editor of BioConversion Blog, I have seen and republished the research supporting these arguments.
California is fighting for renewable energy fermented from waste in Sacramento this Monday (1/9/06). All Californians who are interested in encouraging investors to bring clean technologies (like those proven in Europe and Japan) to California for implementation and refinement here should read up on CA AB 1090 (http://bioconversion.blogspot.com/2006/01/californians-show-their-support-for.html). There is a link there for sending a letter of support to the Chairperson of the California Assembly Natural Resources Committee, Loni Hancock (Californians only please).
Thanks E
Aren't we due for Nuke Detection patents?
Have to wonder if they get black boxed and if so what the company can tell us from there.
Anyone know the status of the Las Vegas office?
Tom you sucking up all those 89's!
BTWY recent support may turn the trend higher today.
JMO of course
Tom take a look at GGR, fits the bill .77-14.50
Speculation is driving this one. Success in India = $40.00+
A disappointment = whiplash and a new tax deduction.
High Risk / Reward just like this little gem.
Indeed Tom, someone is absorbing all the sells.
A spin off would resolve that issue, Cornell
would NOT be good.
peace
Herda
"Our overall plan for success centers on bringing together technologies—that have thus far worked independently of each other—into a cohesive system that can produce ethanol from waste."
Some times the simplest things are the most ingenious. Aligning existing technologies into a "cohesive system" has to increase the viability of the process as the components are likely validated for their intended uses and now simply need to be amalgamated into a new format.
Someone is picking up a lot of shares these days.
Year end selling will be over soon enough.
You guys are going to think I'm crazy
but I am looking to double up by the end of Jan. Cudney keeps buying like the energizer bunny and my gut tells me the float is quietly being soaked up. I believe this is how GGR got pushed so hard on the news and the companies silence could be an indicator of an impending push given the market is aware of the 25 drill locations, two of which were just filed recently with no fan fare. Once drill funding is secured we should start to climb.
Anyone speak to Kevin? He doesn't care to take or return my calls after all these years. Oh well good luck to him anyway!:)
STL
Looks like a modern Batmobile
The simplicity of this process could be the reason Herda clamed up last year.
Good digging curiosity. Appears they are freezing out the tritium.
I have expected a much more complicated process. The simplicity makes it economically viable.
We shall see
"knife yielding cook"........lol Kook
of course he had knife!
No worries you have your opinion, go NSOL
Heard an interesting rumor last night on the tech.
May not be what we have assumed, even better as the guru has been indicating.
We shall see if my buddies digging proves correct. Can't confirm this weekend but I will do some research next week.
Everyone including myself starts their FFI conversation with "if". When we replace "if" with "when" this puppy is going much much higher as this sector is about to gain a lot of attention going into spring.
"If" the tech is validated the underwriters will have no issues with funding and as someone here posted the rating will be greatly improved. Tech is and always has been the golden key. IMO of course.
Eco looks like the real deal!
ride, the prospects do sound promising. PEIX
is estimated to bring in .95 per share by 2008 with five plants and future revenues should grow rapidly as the ethanol market expands.
In comparison we can anticipate FFI's business model could be far more profitable given the availability of endless low value feedstock and the ability to adapt to existing permitting processes.
As for the share price I believe it's a combination of factors:
1) Day and swing traders are doing what they know.
2) The company needs to firm up critical loose ends with the business model, tech, management and distribution.
3) Items #2 will assist NJEDA for final resolution.
4) Fundamental analysis of production and growth models.
5) IR needs improvement. Someone mentioned a new web site?
6) Last but not least, a plan to get off of the OTCBB.
Feel free to add to the list:
Anyone who has researched the proposed project can find sources which validate the process and the potential is obvious. Remember, it's easy to be critical of that which is not yet known. The company simply needs to complete their plans and continue to progress forward to gain market credibility, the share price will take care of it's self.
JMHO of course.
Interesting read on Forbes
A bit lengthy but germain to this companies proposals.
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,1139979,00.html?promoid=yahoo
OT Guru gold breaking 540.00
USGL could get a good pop here. IMO
nice call
Well said Tom, we must keep in mind that this subsidiary was announced in Aug. and we are very far along in the process.
Clarification "due out today" who knows what that
means in government talk. No offence to our friends in government:)
NJEDA told a friend the minutes would be out today.
We shall see.
Tom anyone we know? MSG you are correct.
1.05 x 1.05 and pulled it! SCAMMMMMMM
These guys are workin it.
ARCA back at 1.05
Like I said, wait for big $$$$ ARCA shaken the ask then buying your shares through another MM. Seen this before Tom? lol
They know final approval is just around the corner, follow the money.
Why buy em if you can steal em
Hey suckeroonis ARCA is back with their flash BS
surf PEIX is on the SHO list.
Who's the sukeroonies selling to these manipulators?
ARCA show's up with a large ask at 1.07 pulls it then does the same at 1.02 and then we bounce. we've seen this waaaay to many times. We have got to get to a better exchange.
Quit giving your shares away these guys are working you.
Enth as long as the support trend stays in place we'er good. Let the penny players make their nickles, I'm looking for huge dollars and long term gains this go around. JMO
OT Guru USGL going to break 4.00 today?
MM's splitting a penny pre-market.
Nice up volume on the close.
If that market sell didn't go through at 1.12 we could have hit 1.20. Monday should be very interesting.
You spoke to soon Tom...lol
If Herda augments the FFI deal with nuke detection
news who knows where we end up. Dempsy's leave of absence to Iraq is very interesting.
Check out the 1 month chart. Light overhang to 1.20
Above 1.27 we gap IMO
http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?shownav=true&pg=qu&sid=852145&symb=NSOL&showna...