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Are you a butcher? From "meat on the bones" to prime rib....you're making me hungry! I just hope I don't have a bone to pick with anything in the 10Q. That does it.
I live in Chicago, time for a visit to Morton's or Lawrey's!
Short answer is nobody knows. I stand by my statement that surprises in the 10Q are as likely to be good ones as bad ones.
Additionaly, why .0163 PPS with no reported sales, no infomercials running and upgrade in trading status not yet attained, and not now, with all of those missing elements present?
Why poject your own unfounded fears? 10Q will clearly state the figures are through 12/31/09, a period in which customer service was up for a shakedown cruise of about two weeks. Isn't there just as much a chance of good news in the form of sales in Europe or the Far East? In short realistic expectations based upon an understanding of 10Q reporting parameters = no disappointment.
Agree. That's s false choice between two extremes. There's a balance to be struck between the 'interests' of day traders and MID to long term investors.
Note that he conveniently left out the middle choice which would argue in favor of somewhat more transparency and a few more "how 'we're doing" PR's that fall within what's allowable.
I'm aware of that. I was specifically referencing : "PennyStockin, parent of the Superchirp Twitter service", which is who I received my email alert from on the "delayed promo".
Member since last Wed. I've mock traded 2 picks that would have been + 35% if I'd swing traded or held for 2 days. I did not sell on the announcement of the "delayed promo" but added more at .31.
Hey professor, I think that's the second time you've plumped for bulbs in Home Depot.....for THIS Jan.! Are you dating your checks from the same calendar?
For what it's worth the PPS closed slighly up heading into a weekend before a Mon trading holiday and before the PR on the new infomercial, suggesting that investors were content to hold rather than fearful of the contents of the 10Q.
Right you are, up to .0163 in Dec on just the announcemnts of customer service order taking and the SCHEDULING of infomercials.
Granted, the ante is upped for info now that infomercials are scheduled again. ZVTK must know that as well. Let's see if the wording in the financiles release provides guidance that encourages new investors.
I thought that this board's members in particular would find these exquisitely awkward, and awkwardly timed, email alerts from PennyStockin, parent of the Superchirp Twitter service that alerted subscribers on the CNWI promo delay........humorous?
I wasn't a subscriber during the time period for the alleged winning streak described below, so I withhold judgment on today's fiasco as being anything more than a mistake.
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I won't belabor you with the old "it's not a loss until you sell".
We don't know yet whether averaging down was the right strategy or not, but has anything really changed beyond the PPS? I've seen email promos fall flat as often as not, so I don't know that the absence of a promised promotion precipitated today's sell-off and neither do you. And how would you compute how many of 50K members were 'freaked' enough to sell relative to those who shrugged off the news, which after all was about a promo and not anything substantive from the company.
Here's the flaw in that line of reasoning. Did I miss something or is my $2.49/mo subscription the "non leak" version and do I need to upgrade to the $5.00/mo 'premium' service for "our super secret leaks before the 2.49/mo members receive them"?
I looked around the site and couldn't find that.
And just to refresh everyone here's the Twitter email from this morning. They are not the authors of the promos.
"PennyStockin: CNWI 's promos were a little bit delayed. We are still holding CNWI strong and we are going to average it down.
We're going to need for a lot of things to break right for that scenario to play out including but not limited to, reporting of positive sale #'s, limited dilution, more aggressive marketing and perhaps a retail agreement with a specialty store chain or two. Think Bed, Bath and Beyond rather than Walmart. We're assured of none of that as of right now.
How's THAT sound?!
Are you thinking of another company's PR? Clearly there's been no PR from ZVTK since 2/9.
Anyone concerned that it's trading near its yearly high?
Apply that standard to everyone or don't dictate. Or is 'buy more' part of the 'knowledge base'?
I can see why realism, objectivity and inquisitiveness SEEM negative to those caught up in the enthusiasm for this company.
But expectations for PPS have clearly outrun what fundamentals and the news are able to support. I remain long and with my feet on the ground, or with my skates on the ice, upright, unchecked and unpenalized!
Sure it was: "Want OWVI to get attention? Keep buying and uptick to 34 and 35 and you'll see attention."
Nothing in my post could be construed as 'grumpy' by anyone who takes responsibility for what they've written. "Keep buying" is unambiguous as to meaning and seems reasonably clear as to intent
viewed within the context of the posts on this board.
'unambiguous' is YOUR vocabulary word for the day.
Pennystockin/Twitters: @ $2.49/mo They don't have to be right EVERYTIME to cover your suscription! Look we've seen .55, really think it won't bounce back into at least the .40's?. Nothing's changed RE co. fundamentals.
PennyStockin: CNWI 's promos were a little bit delayed. We are still holding CNWI strong and we are going to average it down.
Myself? I don't think Prior will leave you hanging out on the financials release, so I'm fine. But if these evening posts are any indication you'd better break out the "anti-panic spray" and give the 'team' a real good spray!
No, Alamo clued me in to the solar piece:
OWVI Acquires Inter Solar Tech Ltd. – Solar Business Booming!
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&cb=1259967329&article=40493317&symbol=NO^OWVI
OWVI Signs Deal to Introduce Solar Products to U.S. Market
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&cb=1264746198&article=41296768&symbol=NO^OWVI
Shareholder Report from Conversation with PHS CEO - Extraordinary Potential
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=46067207
Again, why would anyone be overlooking a 'green play' with Stimulus money being thrown at it and the likely irreversible alternative energy trends?
Came to my email alert late, providentialy perhaps!
What do you think knocked it down from the high and what to you see the likely EOD and into tomorrow outlook?
Wait a minute, how could everybody but you have overlooked that and not have concluded that it is potential and that it is already baked into PPS?
Gotcha. I think we're both in the same unlowered 'life boat' now!
I did take your metaphor as a sinking ship and played off it with what I thought was just a metaphor for a lot a futile busy work that had no impact on the larger picture.
I trust your comparison of me to Linda Blair will be limited to her spinning head and not the projectile pea soup coming out of her vile mouth.......if OWVI should need to be 'exorcised' from my portfolio!
You mistake realism for cynicism. I don't see that I'm trying to lead anyone on this board, as though that were really possible.
I have enough discipline to not carry any disappointment or elation from one stock trade to a different stock trade.
And just beacause I'm a OWVI shareholder doesn't mean I have to suspend my critical thinking skills RE OWVI.
Been here exactly one week. I have to take any claims about cushioning selling activity with buying support worth a grain, not because it didn't happen but rather because I don't see evidence of reproducibility much less sufficient buying to move PPS back up. But I remain ready to be pleasantly surprised by a "team effort"!
Let me add that a week ago I posted on the ZVTK board that I was hedging my ZVTK with OWVI and I recommended that ZVTK holders consider doing the same, as I thought they might be heading in different directions. You can read those posts over there yourselves. Turns out I was right, just in a different way than I expected! Hey, that's what hedging is all about.
I agree which is why I said it was an "unfortunate metaphor".
I was very specific in pointing out the FUTILITY involved for any single investor in believing that their purchase was going to meaningfully move or support PPS, and I'm not talking about a transitory .001 move which seems to cause a breaking out of the party hats by some members of this board!
Here's the metaphor, it's well known as a futility metaphor: "some of the posts chiding people for not providing 'support' or not being a good member of the 'team', as though either of those things effect the PPS, are analagous to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as a metaphor for futitlity."
I don't take it to mean that OWVI is going to 'sink', but rather that board member purchases, exhortations and calls for posters to agree with them or leave are pointless. The OWVI 'ship' will do what it will do regardless.
Oh I 'get' contingency. 'Can' and 'would' are not descriptions of what is and are far cries from "we control...".
When I see evidence of this team effort in the PPS movement I'll be happy to exclaim 'well done!'
No, it means what I said. There's entirely too much "either or" or "think as I do or leave" postng on this board. If you can refute what I said about the futiltiy of thinking that the investors on this board can move the PPS do it. Or better yet look at your trading platform.
Unfortunate metaphor. However some of the posts chiding people for not providing 'support' or not being a good member of the 'team', as though either of those things effect the PPS, are analagous to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as a metaphor for futitlity. The projected or hoped for sales figures and other financials are baked into the PPS, so asking people if they know about those #'s is pointless as well. In sum, the PPS for OWVI will move independently of what people say on this board, absent a total capitulation by true believers and their posting of their actions and intentions. And of course, I allow for the reverse if news is better than expected, and we don't get a classic 'sell on good news' scenario.
Nothing I've written should be construed as either bashing or as an attempt to dispirit anyone. I just figured a post balancing out the 'let's go's' and 'let's support' at such and such a price was called for.
Made my initial investment, added a little more on a rise and am now awaiting news to confirm a return to the upside. I'm a realist and do not view any potential trade that I CAN make as one that I necessarily should make or one that would move the price even marginally. That's me and I can't speak for others let alone urge them to do something I'm not prepared to do.
what do you mean "let's"?!
"We dictate the buys and sells."
Very 'substantive'.
That won't be ALLOWED:
"But, in this game, we are the players and the crowd. We dictate the buys and sells. WE can impact the pps. We also have the crowd effect with the board. Positive energy and positive posts can fuel the players and keep the sentiment and synergy positive motivating buy in/scoring activity."
I see the sports metaphor, but today would have been a good day to 'dictate' more buys than sells. If I accept your claims than I have to conclude you chose NOT to dictate today. Can you tell me if tomorrow will be a dictate or non dictate day?!
If you notice, I've not talked sh*t about the stock, but merely questioned the utility of cheerleading, or purchases by board members, in either supporting or driving the PPS up. Today's action is a case in point. Didn't budge from that 11% drop point despite the claims by one board member that their purchase had
'driven' the price.
You've mis-stated my point. I'm saying that your 'control' of 1/3 of the shares and the exhortations to buy to support the PPS are clearly not working today. I'm in as much as I want to be and I'm not the knuckle scraping Neanderthal in this exchage of posts.
So take your either or and stuff it. OR, show me some of that 'control' and drive the PPS upward!
Exactly! Hey, I'm in. I'm just not buying the chatter about buying to support the price. Stare at your L2's all day and riddle me the price move today.
I am, and I stand by my observation that buys from members of this board have a negligible effect on PPS.
Trust me, I can handle all of the pom poms you want to wave if it's the price I have to pay to read some real insight on the company or the stock. Just saying that you're overvaluing the effect of your buys on the PPS, or that some of the claimed buys aren't happening.
Or, with the right kind of 'powder' not make it to 40 and not really notice or care! Judging from some of the high fiving by some board member during the decline, I think some of that powder is circulating right now.