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My "guess" would be that Ace already knew allot about site #3 based on his personal knowledge of the Heartland finds thus believing it to be a high potential winner. That combined with the SFRX ability to acquire state leases (something I have yet to understand), he probably saw this as a win-win situation. Here again in my opinion, I don't believe he still came to realize that what Heartland found and where SFRX is now might be nothing but a large piece of flotsam that settled there thus the absence of the other things that would be expected. I am still of that opinion. I and also capted posting here have emphasized the dire necessity of trying to establish a trail and follow it. The problem is this is not the Hensel and Gretal story of intentionally following the dropped bread crumbs. The next real trail link could be a football field away or miles away from where the main requisite settled. A shipwreck site and its outer areas contained spilled cannons. A good expanded magnetometer search should be revealing this evidence which apparently hasn't happened thus far. What here is so commonly referred to as the main site (#3) is not that at all or they'd be recovering good stuff. Just my opinion of course. Love to see this mystery solved.
No the find is not public yet but I received the photo of the stacks of doubloons from one of the divers on my I-phone. It's imminent there will be a release soon. Corrigan Beach is the location of one of the 1715 shipwrecks. Don't know which one. This find has nothing to do with the previous 52 gold coins found by another group (?) Other contractors are apparently finding real treasure.
Well, the 1715 Fleet anniversary has passed. A number of posters here implied the company was probably waiting for this date and event to announce there sire #3 finds to date. What happened. Anything?
I've just seen photos of a second find actually made on the anniversary. Over three hundred gold escudos from the Corrigan Beach area.
The direction is where the trail leads, if there is one established. Where are the iron cannon this ship carried? Those are big magnetometer anomalies.
Getting closer in which direction? Thats the question.
One big difference Sctts. From the time of the big anchor discovery in the Quicksands, Fisher was finding, and continued to follow a trail of dribbling of treasure coins & (three silver bars), artifacts and some ballast and broken olive jar shards. Yes, it took them a long time but the coins and bars identified what they had and would have when they eventually came to find the main site.
In this case, the trail evidence, so far, seems to be pieces of wood and iron fasteners. Maybe theres more and they're waiting to announce it on the 1715 Fleet 300 year anniversary????? Not long to wait. Thats this coming week end, isn't it?
If I may ask, how does your post equate into the finding of treasure which seems to be lacking????
You may want to again read post #40387 "Below is a little history in Site #3 - hotspurs
One must admit it historically presents a pretty good case as to why the material found relates to possibly being from a 1715 shipwreck. The recovered plates bearing the name "Dona Juana Isabel de Chabez Espinosa de los Monteros" have been said by posters to be plates belonging to a passenger who was said to be on the elusive 1715 Concepcion. Also, if I recall correctly, the wife of the ships captain??? What troubles me is the fact that although the plates have been shown here in numerous posts in the past, the documentation evidence supporting the above assumptions of association have never been produced in evidence. At least not here that I'm aware. I still contend that these items found along with the cannon and pieces of the ships structure do not represent the main wreck site but are likely a piece of flotsam from that particular ship??? An opinion only.
Manifests don't contain contraband. Otherwise it wouldn't be contraband. QJ does not have exclusive rights to all 1715 wrecks, found and unfound. Produce Florida State validation of that please.
If there actually is enough evidence of a trail to follow, he (Ace Ridgley) has the ability to follow it and read the signs. I still maintain that opinion.
Gets permits but apparently doesn't find treasure or am I mistaken? As to the Concepcion in the area; a football field distance away or miles? That's why I have near continuously emphasized the need to connect the dots, follow the trail (if there is one). They are not on the wreck yet in my opinion but then what do I know.
Do as you so please. Putting it simply, SFRX is not on the shipwreck site bearing treasure and artifacts yet. If you have facts that say otherwise, why not share? That is my very strong opinion. As said before, what do I know.
Ace is only as good as the connecting of dots allows. Hope and pray there still remain dots to connect.
capted, If in the Florida Keys, thats not solely a State of Florida matter. It would fall under the FKNMS (Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary) under NOAA. The system is different and comes under their jurisdiction along with the Florida boys up in Tallahassee. Have yet to hear of anyone actually getting a salvage contract???
Not exactly impressive. Wood with fasteners. At this point, nothing I see changes the "flotsam" theory. Thats just my opinion, but what do I know.
What has this got to do with finding treasure?
I posted about this Blackbeard treasure thing before. Blackbeard's ship "Queen Anne's Revenge" was run aground and stripped of all valuables. The wreck is under the control of the state of North Carolina marine archaeologists. It has no treasure. If anyone is promoting this otherwise, its a bad come on.
Some people posting here talk about new sites, Like site 3, 4,5 or whatever, like finding real treasure bearing wrecks is like walking into the orchard and picking peaches. Guess again. Site #3, or at least the evidence of a trail is real. I would hope SFRX sticks to that and figures it out as that certainly appears real. And so - whats happened to the great Juno wreck? That seems to have become a silent issue.
What does "red hot" mean? Treasure and artifacts found or is this more what's gonna be speculation?
SFRX needs a genuine shipwreck (with the normal contents), not a piece of flotsam which is my opinion, but then what do I know. The trail, the trail. In a previous post capted described what he believes has to happen. Its complex but may be the reality to it all.
Only recently someone posted that Hartland dumped the shares issued to them as part of there deal with SFRX???? If this is true, why would they have done that if they believed this shipwreck was about to be found? Doesn't make sense.
Up-date on the "RV Hispaniola" in Ocean World Marina, Puerta Plata, Dominican Republic. Coming from a reliable source at the Marina, the court case was won and non-other than our attorney, representing the unpaid divers and others, without public notice purchased the ship for 1,000,000 pesos (about $24,000.00 US dollars) and is now trying to sell it for half a million. He never even notified any of the plaintiffs he's representing. What he apparently doesn't seem to understand is that as a US flag vessel with an American Bureau of Ships International Loadline, the ship is in serious violation of US Coast Guard and ABS maritime law. The ship is a derelict, renegade vessel and cannot be re-registered, re-flagged (legally). Furthermore, its in seriously poor condition below the waterline. It gets better. Now that the lawyer apparently owns the vessel, he has the liability of paying the marina a dockage bill which is now over $200,000.00 US dollars. What a mess. Well, Burt Webber, Jr. and all the Hispaniola divers (and others) can kiss all of this good-by. Most all of us already had. Congratulations Goldberg, you really screwed this one up like all other things you touch. Obviously no longer a phone asset to be listed by this scam company.
Understood and agree.
I had not seen this before but if Jim Sinclair actually said this, well shame on him. Neither the "Atocha" or the "S.S. Central America" 1857 (richest gold find brought off the ocean floor), ever produced in total marketing value of 500 million, if that. If anyone wants to contest this, then produce actual marketing sales statistics validating same. Not newspaper, magazine (or books) articles. Cold hard verifiable numbers not written in the realm of fantasyland. Where in the world did this "Blackbeard Treasure" pitch come from? That particular "Blackbeard" shipwreck is a North Carolina State controlled project. The wreck was originally found by Mike Daniels and Phil Masters. The ship had run aground, was stripped of valuables. There is no treasure, period.
Start with something. Rather embarrassing. The big chance is at the door step, at least I think so.
The only "Big Tings cumin" is when the SEC closed down this scam and puts the clown Goldberg in jail. Have no idea what kind of rabbits foot he has in his pocket but this has got to end. I post as a victim.
I do believe its reasonable to say you can count on that.
Sinclair's bio isn't going to find the shipwreck. All due respect to jim as a marine archaeologist and preservationist, he's not a shipwreck finder.
Deadeyes were commonly used on all sailing ships, mounted on port and starboard side at deck level off the fore, aft and mizzen masts. Who ever provided that Face Book description was not correct. They were not just used in port (never heard of such a thing) but were used to adjust the tension on the main stay rigging lines.
Find this is a nice artifact but associates with the upper sides and deck of the vessel, more than likely associated with the large piece of wood already found. Without ballast, and normally associated shipwreck content (pottery/shards, treasure, artifacts, etc.) I remain of the opinion this is flotsam broke away from the main shipwreck site which could be a hundred yards away or miles away. If can be done, follow the trail.
Thats logical.
In my own rights I'm considerably more than an armchair quarterback and I have tried to post constructive advise based on a bit of actual field experience. So far all I see, historically, is "this dog just doesn't know how to hunt". So that's my opinion which I believe I'm entitled to.
Both capted and I have put allot of emphasis on "follow the trail" but has it occurred to any of you that there just might not be a trail to follow, at least from where they are now. If actually ballast stones were encountered further in shore, that would be the place to re-start and do a tight survey and try and pick up the "sent" again. I happen to know who "Ace Ridgley is and he's quite capable. Probably the most capable in that entire crew. That's only my opinion but then what do I know.
Its called finding treasure. Seems that's not happening. Apparently it wasn't under the big piece of wood like many of you here were posting. The trail, the trail, the trail and know how to follow it. My opinion but then what do I know.
I know the man and he's good. He doesn't need to walk on water. He knows what he's doing under it.
Not so. Was before his involvement.
My understanding is he and his family have a substantial investment in this company.
My understanding is that Ace is part of the team. He's experienced and knows what he's doing. He's not what you would call a technical expert but he knows the signs and knows how to sniff out a shipwreck trail. I has had years of experience working the 1715 wrecks with Roy Voglt (spelling), Becker and Duke Long. I don't believe they come better.
You're right on. I had posted a very long time ago about the merits of sub-bottom profiling along with the cautions of certain geological handicaps respective to penetration. You and I also independently pointed out the value of using boat operated large coil ferrous/non-ferrous underwater detection system. I wonder if any of these things have been done. An all out effort on the site #3 is certainly worthy in my opinion.
At Juno, that is a shipwreck probably of Spanish origin. There's ballast and allot of identifiable evidence. Its also a fact that no treasure has ever been found on the wreck.
I believe these are two different wrecks but thats only my opinion based on limited knowledge of items found. I do know that the Jupiter wreck site is verified to be of a dating of 1659 or 1660 based on the numerous coins found. I believe the Juno site may be earlier. I know when Duke Long was at Juno, they did extensive magnetometer survey and allot of U/W metal detector surveying on and well off the actual wreck. They never found a coin. The Juno site is deep and an odd situation as it apparently never hit an utter reef. The Jupiter site is a different situation.
There's always a possibility there's another shipwreck in the same area but in the case of site #3, based upon the little I do know, I believe its probably one. As to the Juno wreck, it seems the indications are that its Spanish. Keep in mind that the same type of broken items as inventoried by SFRX were also found by previous persons that surveyed the site before.