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It’s not like it’s plagiarism, right?
“I am excited to join a technology company with such rare potential for rapid commercialization. Upon initial review of our business and customers, I see a rich vein of opportunity with many untapped applications, even within our current customer base. We have an A-1 list of prospective customers. My priority is to work with Bruce and the team to bring our current programs through the development pipeline into production.”
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140305006510/en/Liquidmetal-Technologies-Hires-Vice-President-World-Wide-Sales-Support
There is a difference.
More importantly there have been a couple of posts regarding CE patents and manufacturing investments. Some of it not so new and some very new. A member of the YT Group in China is claiming to be making a product on their website that LQMT may (or may not) have a connection with. The product is not on the LQMT website. So I’m not going to name it. The YT Group member is Yihao Metals.
As a caveat I do not trust info from most of the companies in China. This is not due to the integrity of a company, but rather in the way the companies are funded and governed.
In any event it does not hurt to research. Time will tell if Mr. Li. & Co are making progress towards building revenue, while LQMT digs another hole at the LF facility, besides the hole they have dug in the pockets of their shareholders over the years. Bare in mind they are not to blame for anyone selling or buying. Since LQMT has released no PR in over 3 years regarding material outlook.
Good luck to all.
From KK’s background and connections a large auto deal would be a better fit to expect $$$. He was not born yesterday, last week or last month. The way some here talk about him, one would think he just learned how to walk. It may surprise some, but he does know how to find, enter and use the men’s room, without parental supervision.
The man is a seasoned pro at marketing and sales. Knowing his background, I expect he already has a couple of coals on fire.
Sales and revenues is what one would expect from KK, nothing less. Not lame excuses.
So far Mr. K, has not given any material update since his 6 month inception. Mr. K, knows a booth at an event is not a material update or progress towards a deal of any kind.
6 months later and what have shareholders received? No progress report of what was already in place and what if any new possibilities are being explored. Simple stuff, not complicated, no brain surgery.
You see Mr. K, there are some here with a bias towards executives here before Mr. Li, that they are willing to give you a pass. I’m not willing to be so charitable.
Personally, I don’t care if the executives failed. We can’t go back and rewrite history. What’s done is done. All involved, I would have expected, learned from their mistakes. So the next time you put up a blog, it would be very much appreciated if the information was a little more than just a booth or who you met at the booth. All here have been down that road before.
Good luck to you
Don’t think it’s a JB thing. LQMT has not changed it’s fundamentals.
With all of this NDA talk and lag time. Just added more shares.
Patents covered during the MTA.
Who Left the door open? It’s seems reason, reality and common sense just slipped out.
If anyone details an NDA, would it be an NDA anymore?
And then there would be all sorts of migraines, finger pointing and heaven knows what else for disclosing one.
On the other hand companies like Apple and ConMed (and many others) conduct business with NDA’s. That being the case it might be rational to conclude that LQMT, if they were to do business with companies like those would have an NDA. Yes? No?
One might suspect an NDA might be in place based on a few hundred thousand in income. And all might conclude one exists when all see $1 million + in a quarterly report.
I see reason reality and common sense walking back in.
How long, according to LQMT:
They say if you do not study history and fail to remember it or it’s lessons, that history repeats itself. The same is true with investing.
Don’t take my word for it. My words are always worth less than the pps. No, take the words of the LQMT executives. Their words are worth in most cases the pps. In this case, about .15 cents. Last year on March 21, 2018 LM posted this:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/customers/
Then on April 4, 2018 LM posted this:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/exec-relationships/
I posted this about this gentleman:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mason-williams-79029620
So let’s just say...sometime before LQMT posted the two above updates PH met MW at a booth and MW asked LQMT for proof of their claims for the new material. Now look how quick LQMT hit every single target ConMed was looking for. WOW! They hit everyone, no misses!
ConMed is a huge large cap multi billion dollar company. LQMT, not so much. So what happened? It’s not about how long it takes to make and test a new material. LQMT can do it in months.
It’s about closing the deal. It’s not about the R&D. It’s about manufacturing. It’s not about setting one’s self up for disappointments waiting on a handout from the sale of another company’s parts. It’s about selling your own parts or service or patents.
Don’t believe me. Believe LQMT & .015.
Good luck to all
Willy Bones, over 20 years of complexity. Sounds plausible, right? Well then, research the past when start to finish times took a lot longer, than when PH introduced the 2017 quick turnover time. Without going into another boring lengthy reply and review the details. Just take a look at the quarterly revenues then and now.
LQMT went from $1 million to $4 million and more in quarterly revenues to food stamps.
Now that’s complexity.
BBboy, The events mean dookus. PH was all about BOOTHS. Booth events have been historically unsuccessful for LQMT. Unfortunately LQMT still has a technology that they are still trying to market and not a product.
We’re we not told by LQMT, and did you not post they were transitioning away from R&D and into manufacturing? The answer is yes.
What is LQMT selling a Design Guide? Nope. They are giving them away for free.
They need to hire a better marketing consultant for the new material, the new technology.
I’m beginning to spell Kris Kent, P A U L H A U C K.
Good luck to you
Eagle, all of these CE products and more can be produced with a waiver.
This is an actual website page from the LQMT website:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/electronics/
It falls under the category of consumer electronics. It is an archived page.
I seriously doubt that Apple would grant LQMT a waiver to do business with a competitor.
I do not see this applying to companies in China or elsewhere that were never a party to the perpetual license.
Now if you go to the company yihao metal’s website:
http://www.yihaometal.com/
You will see them using LQMT ‘s logo and other data linked to what LQMT originated. Yihao metals like LQMT is not a profitable company today. They are transitioning from R&D to manufacturing. LQMT is trying to do the same.
It is obvious that in China CE of amorphous metal is being manufactured. It is obvious by reason of LQMT USA it is not by reasons of revenues reported.
It should not take much longer to solve this mystery. Two or three more quarters should answer that mystery.
But it is obvious LQMT has problems unfortunately. They are not new. To date for over three years there is no material update from the company.
Good luck to you.
Eagle, this link should be an easier read regarding the MTA:
https://contracts.onecle.com/liquidmetal/apple-transaction-2010-08-05.shtml
There were several amendments afterwards.
It was part of the agreement between Apple and LQMT. To be requested in writing when TS was the ceo. Before the agreement LQMT was involved with several CE companies and as early as 2003 was involved with Apple as one of the companies. All of this is public knowledge.
Neither party has to disclose the request or response.
IMHO, I believe a limited waiver was granted. Possibly for the iwatch. This is only speculation based on the fact that LQMT’s executives have been silent on this issue and know it has been a huge issue since the perpetual CE license was sold. It is very understandable why LQMT cannot comment. In this case if you break a NDA with Apple you lose the shirt off your back you are trying to buy and not the one you never had.
Good luck to you
Eagle1947, which part of that post are you referring to? The waiver or the consumer parts?
Liquidmetal
http://www.lms-liquidmetal.com/liquid-metal-cell-phone-case/50746549.html
The above site will lead you to others. Many of the pictures are similar or identical to the original LQMT and now Eontec websites.
http://www.lms-liquidmetal.com/tag/phone-components-made-from-liquid-metal.html
It would be nice to know if professor Li and Eontec and their associates are the manufacturers.
LQMT itself posted this page a long time ago.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/blades-knives-and-other-sharp-things/
Using the Liquidmetal name by separating the word liquid from the word metal by a keystroke space.
https://www.batteriesplus.com/charger/cell-phone/acer/liquid-metal-_-liquid-mt/liquid-metal-_-liquid-mt
It’s not old news it’s news with a history. Whether it’s illegal when an enterprise uses the exact brand name logo or a slightly altered appearance is not the issue. The issue in a legal battle focuses on two key points. Who had the registration first legally and how long was it known that another enterprise using the brand name without authorized approval.
So if a registrant knew for some time that it’s brand was being used and did nothing, they now will have an extra burden of avoiding setting a precedent. Some laws give you a year to make a challenge and other’s more time.
This is just one of many playing off of the brand Liquidmetal altered. While there are others using the logo.
Hopefully LQMT can recover the legal costs and then some. The words liquid and metal have been used to describe Liquidmetal for many years now. Perhaps only those enterprises using the exact brand name and images can LQMT have a valid point and be compensated.
This link was on a Russian website, when it was thought LM would be one of the materials. LQMT was already claiming they were involved with Samsung, Nokia and Motorola. LQMT had no reason to lie. They also had much higher quarterly revenues before Apple made them an offer they could not refuse.
Acer cell phone in 2010.
http://m.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/acer-liquid-metal.jpg
With a temporary release or waiver, LQMT is permitted to produce the following:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/electronics/
Tap each pic for a brief discription.
The LQMT page does not include all of the possible products, which does not require a waiver regarding hinges.
Good luck to all
Mr. Bresnick, thank you for your follow up.
LQMT never left the hinge business.
Reply..
MOBILE COMMUNICATION DEVICE WITH PROJECTION FUNCTION
Publication number: 20180309863
Abstract: A mobile communication device with projection function includes a main body, a camera and a projector, a display screen is provided at a front surface of the main body, and both the camera and the projector are configured at a top surface of the main body. If the mobile communication device lies on the table, user can also take pictures by using the camera, without picking up the device. Thus the camera operation is more convenient. Furthermore, since the projector is configured at the top surface of the main body, by which the content in the device can be projected directly without connecting other equipment, as a result, user may show or share their photos or videos at any occasion.
Type: Application
Filed: November 10, 2017
Publication date: October 25, 2018
Inventor: Yeung Tak Lugee Li
Thanks for the laugh.
About Yiyi metals, also known as Yihao metals. Dongguan Yiyi Metal Materials Technology Co., Ltd. was established in October 2014 with a registered capital of 92.25 million yuan. It is a new high-tech company specializing in technology development, technology promotion and industrial incubation in the field of new materials. The company mainly provides one-stop amorphous alloy solutions for amorphous alloy materials, molding, machine equipment and post-treatment.
The core team researches and develops amorphous alloy materials and processing technology in China. The team members are the first people in China to start research on amorphous alloys. These people have been deeply involved in this field for 10 years, and have a very comprehensive and in-depth study on the theory and industrialization of amorphous alloys.
At present, the team has mastered the core technology of amorphous alloy mother alloy melting technology, amorphous alloy forming technology, post-processing.
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The above is a translation. Not much is known about yihao metals or where the funds came from or their executives. The name Yiyi comes from Yiyi Li. A woman born in China who pioneered in metallurgy and amorphous metals. Not sure if there is any relationship to Professor Li, a man who went from patenting cookware to patents involving Amorphous medical implant parts
Many of their products that they picture on their web are identical to those on LQMT USA website.
Good luck to all
Bruce, hello Bruce, wake up! I know I requested news and you posted this:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/mdmw-2019/ and yes that is news Mr. Bromage, but really? Is that all you & Co. have accomplished since entering the medical and auto industries over 7 years? That’s it? A BOOTH 2964?
A freeeken BOOTH, with 4 more trade shows to go!
Let me get this straight. You are giving out handouts, when you just received two. One from Apple and the other from professor Li. With the sales you have achieved to date, you should not be giving out handouts. You need a handout.
3 months have passed since the October blog and that’s it? A hole in the ground and a booth? I can’t wait to celebrate. I am jumping for joy. When the shareholders read your last two blogs, there will not be enough oxygen in the atmosphere to resuscitate them from their laughter. You fulfilled all of your backlog of orders and you and KK are going out to solicit more. Wow this next quarterly report is going to be a whopper, isn’t it. I can just see it now...$4 to $12 million in sales from...auto, medical, music, sports, military and of course let’s not (I want to be fair to all) forget CE.
I think it’s time to bring back PH. He can manage the website for $400 thousand a year and his stories are a better read.
Not saying you have not told the truth Bruce. But a BOOTH for a years worth of work, hope, expectations and progress. That takes guts, courage and other words not worth repeating.
Hurry, quick send in the oxygen tanks. :) :) :) :)
Now let’s put BS aside & raise the SP.02 today.
Yamasushi, “Basically LQMT has no Institutional holders, ” actually, not basically you are wrong. There are not 1, not 2, but 3 institutional holders with registered with the S.E.C.
Now aside from our opinions, we want LM to succeed. We are on the same page. The difference is that I try to post nonfiction. Now BASICALLY that is the only difference.
Good luck to you.
I’m glad you asked. That is one of the most important questions asked here. All of us want LM to succeed. Shareholders have a right to expect the company they have invested in be it a mega cap or micro to give their shareholders periodic information which is relevant to their investment and not just quarterly. So that they can make better decisions regarding their investment.
I’ve said it before if one believes reality is negative and does not listen to those views, it benefits no one. There is one thing to post reality or positive or to pump, hype or to post with disappointment. But to carry the water for the company and not be compensated for it, is going a bit too far imho.
What one and all can do is to keep the company honest. All believe Bruce is working and wants success for the company. In lieu of the failures not all are going to accept ambiguity and unaccountability in a blog as well as others. Always try to make sure the executives are accountable. Sometimes it is very difficult to do this with a B.B. stock.
It is obvious that all invested here are waiting for either a pop in SP from a pump or a deal. The longer this takes, the more intense the disappointment becomes. Buying more shares for those who lost confidence is not an option. Selling at such a low price may not be an option for those shares held in ira accounts.
Your question is very good but very difficult to answer. Most invested in the idea hoping to get rich. Very few knew more than that. All here still believe professor Li will help turn years of failures into years of success.
I guess all we can do is to pray for professor Li to succeed.
Good luck to you.
Of course it’s a penny stock. And yes I have already posted some of the reasons why institutional investors are prohibited from investing companies under a certain market cap. Setting that aside. The reason why LM is still a penny stock is not because institutional investors do not own LM. It is because LM in the past 7 years has not achieved any long term income growth to meet the minimum requirements.
Like us, institutional managers are still waiting. Unlike us we have invested, not them!
Professor Li, had to file form 13D. When a registrant seeks to buy more than 5% of a company’s stock, they file a 13d not a 13f.
1000% correct.
Once again, please read...
https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answers-form13fhtm.html
Wesbanco Bank Inc. is an institutional holderof 620,307 shares.
Institutional holders file different forms with the Sec. Professor Li does not.
Some of the guidance for institutional investing has already been posted on this board. Some of those restrictions were posted me.
Get the facts correct. There is already enough false information leaking out.
Know the facts. Call no one a fool least you be a fool yourself. LQMT Ltd. is not considered an international holder. Professor Li established LQMT Ltd. to facilitate the purchase of 46% of LQMT inc. LQMT Ltd. is classified as a insider and not as an institutional holder of any shares.
LQMT Ltd. has one employee. Professor Li.
This is stuff you learn when doing DD. Now you know.
Would be nice to see LQMT up .02 today.
Companies with greater percentages of institutional investors indicate confidence in long term growth by market managers. So what percentage of the authorized and outstanding 900 million plus shares do institutional investors hold? 5%, 10% 20% 40% or 1%? The answer...
The answer none of the above. They own 1/10th of 1%.
Many years after the ipo, even the high stakes high rollers of institutional penny stock managers own not even 1%. They must be wrong, right? And a handful of shareholders know better. Let’s pay more attention to them. They know something that not even the company is talking about.
The simple fact, like the fact above is...the only ones that know what is going on or not going on at LM at LF are the executives, and they are not talking! They have not said a word for over 3 years now that has given anyone (unless you are not focused) any confidence that we’re about to break a dollar let alone.30. Not one PR. Only forward looking statements of anticipations and expectations. The bottom line has not moved from the red to the green on any constant basis.
And one shareholder believes that replacing someone in the IT department, a website developer is the answer and is news. If that were the answer, boy are we really in big serious trouble.
Another fact it is the duty of the company to disseminate updates and other important information on daily, weekly, monthly operations and not the job of all shareholders to go searching for information that may or may not be true. Many times shareholders have posted information, facts researched on the web, only later to be confirmed by the company. Be it a medical instrument or power upgrade.
Bruce & Co. you have received $20 million and $64 million from Apple and Li. And most important of all you have received the patience and hard earned money of your shareholders for many years. It’s time to reward your shareholders with at least consistent updates if not a return on their investment. One repetitive blog in three months and no PR of a deal in over three years is not the way to go.
Good luck to all
While waiting for the Executives to answer inquiries and the windfall of millions and millions in revenues to come pouring down upon the bottom line for all investors to bathe in this year, from auto, medical, industrial, military, sports, and let’s not forget CE. Here is a history lesson to help pass the time by.
After all with all of the raw material coming in and parts being shipped out, and with KK running around cross country and MM gone. Who has time to answer the phones, send out a text message or update a website.
So relax and read. There should be plenty of time to finish before they respond.
http://securities.stanford.edu/filings-documents/1030/LQMTE04-01/2005112_r01c_04919.pdf
MM is gone.
Facts. LQMT website, silent 96 days and counting. 10/24/18 last update.
LQMT over 1095 days no PR of a contract and counting.
Over 1095 days of hope for a contract and counting.
Over 1095 days of theories on where revenues are coming from and counting.
Over 3295 days LQMT remains in penny land and counting.
1/8 of 1% of the (400 million plus) float, approximately 250 thousand shares moves SP 7%.
Income up, but the years of $1 million to $11 million per quarter are forgotten.
In trying to see the positive data from LQMT, without any public sharing of daily or weekly or monthly activity updates from LQMT. I realize that it is becoming more and more difficult to clap with one hand.
All here have shown patience and understanding of why it might be difficult to find a client.
BUT THE INCOMPETENCE OF LQMT EXECUTIVES FAILING TO UPDATE IT’S SHAREHOLDERS VIA IT’S WEBSITE OR IN A PR, IS A NEW LOW IMO, FOR THE COMPANY.
Behavior like this is why we remain in penny land. IMO.
Good luck to all.
I think everyone understands this. But just in case anyone does not.
A publicly trading company does not have to have a profit from revenues for its SP TO ROCKET UP.
It just has to show income growth and a potential to grow that income at a fast pace. Thus potential can have an equal affect on the SP in the same manner. Without PR, potential is much harder to ascertain.
Thus LQMT message boards tend to create their own potential and PR. How accurate or inaccurate the posts are is anyone’s guess.