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BB@ Until proven otherwise - for me the US Legal systems will - in the end restore trust in justice.
I don't see it as a 'coin flip'.
It is a legal matter - that today has highly qualified judges valuate the district court ruling in marts - following the rules of US justice system - by the book.
The hard facts of the day:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amarin-patent-appeal-coin-toss-153414404.html
Best of luck to Amarin and all shareholders.
Jasbg
Nb: Lets hope and pray with Irishman that justice will prevail in the end.
Lemm & Ilt@ Thanks' - hopefully takes a little of the tension :)
Jasbg
BB@ What do you expect Amarin to do - sit down and roll their thumbs ?
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They run the business - and these EP data is revolutionary - so naturally this should be presented everywhere possible.
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I understand what your saying and feeling (I think we all are) this case tomorrow is 'life and dead' (in economic future) for many of us - so who cares about anything else.
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But again Amarin just run 'their business - what else can they do - but wait' and hope' like the rest of us.
Jasbg
Lemm@ It was funny :)
A number of the old boys with a number that fills the room Ok
Lemm@ I think the importance of tomorrow is 'getting to you' !
Take a cold shower - drink a bottle of wine (possible whiskey) and go to bed.
You will feel better in the morning - not sure if you went for the whiskey - but at least you will have had a night without 'bad generic dreams' :)
Atb
Jasbg
rosem@ That's all good and relevant questions - I'm just not the man to answer - as I have know knowledge on that field at all - to be honest.
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On your situation in US - everything is what i picked up here in iHub ANRN - where it is clear' that the complex systems of insurance - and difference between states - obviously makes it a difficult task to get 'things rolling' for Vascepa - for real.
Just guessing I wouldn't expect it to be much easier in Europe - where you even have all the different languages to handle.
But I would expect that there is some people here ' that works in medicine distribution systems in Europa - that can deliver some useful information on the subject.
Jasbg
PS: On your last comment about these matters being 'political' - I would think that Europe in not quite as much 'run by the legal systems' as you are in USA - generally speaking (fewer lawyers) :)
HK@ My immediately suggestion would be Amarin - on Wednesday when everything hopefully looks a little better for for future of Vascepa.
Vascepa and Amarin need all the marketing power they can get - against a foot-dragging med-world in US.
Jasbg
jfmccr@ Dont know if i can sleep after this - scary :)
HK@ I have never seen anyone document' - in minutes - simply out of positive interest' - what would have cost you (if you were a company) thousands of dollars and have taken months 'hiring a 'consulting firm with specialists'.
I'v seen others say it here - and I absolutely agree - 'You could make a living from your exceptional knowledge in this field - and skills to present it'. :)
Jasbg
jfmccr@ You sure scared me to' with that video :)
Lemm@ Good to see you havent lost spirit. Did you see the film 'Australia' ever ?
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi300155161?playlistId=tt0455824&ref_=vp_rv_ap_0
There is something about this little boy - that is the story-teller in the film - that make this film stand out :)
Jasbg
wodehouse@ Being in the stock market in 20 years - I have never seen a Stock being manipulated like AMRN.
Day after FDA approval dec. 13. 2019 - volume (times 9 normal) and SP falls. What does that tell you: 'Someone does not want AMRN to Take Off'.
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Vascepa is like the little 'brown boy' in the film Australia (just seen it again' - this evening). Amarin have the spirit - and makes wonders - (not many understand) - that is all about making the World a better place :)
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1784152089?playlistId=tt0455824&ref_=tt_ov_vi
SP - probably will go up' - and probably 'be controlled (down)' again for now. Could be a good day for day trading :)
Jasbg
onerage@ Good to know he's ok. To me 'not being here that long' - JL more than anything - is the man that made me believe in the 'magic' of this whole project.
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And I agree with the overall message of your post all the way :)
All the best
Jasbg
Montana@ Looking from abroad (which thousands do) on USA legal systems - you cant exaggerate the importance of this appeal case.
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Who will want to invest in US bio-industri - if important patents can just 'be deleted' because of bad mood (incompetance) of a local district judge.
Trust in US markets 'being reliable for investing your hard earned money' is on the line for foreign investors in USA.
Jasbg
sts@ My guess is 'other reasons' for JL. Vascepa it an important part of his life - he would be here if he could ?
Future will tell about JL. No matter what - Wish him well - and in good health :)
Jasbg
cbb@ Newer to late to get wiser. Let's hope Amarin understands your clear message - also :)
Actually Dr. Jims post (borrowed from Yahoo - yesterday) very much revealed how big this problem is' - which RoseM noticed and replied to at once.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=157968672
Jasbg
HK@ Thanks for answering. And I hear you' - in the end it is all about trying to help the cardio doctor - hopefully 'catching what happens' during attacks :)
Jasbg
OT: Louie@ If everything goes well - you could buy one of these to take you to your beach house.
From demonstration it would seem faster to walk - though :)
Haven't seen if this link has been brought here - if so no harm done:
Matthew Budoff, MD: Effect of Icosapent Ethyl on Plaque Regression
https://www.practicalcardiology.com/view/effect-of-icosapent-ethyl-on-plaque-regression
marjac@ Just curios - how big is the traditional 'Fish Oil' market actually in money worldwide:
https://www.alliedmarketresearch.com/fish-oil-market
Talking 'non medicine' it's a big market' - and expected to keep growing.
And to think 'that it' can actually (most likely will) make your CDV health worse - it's a mad world out there'. But a market that size - you don't just change overnight. It will take decades to get the message out. :)
And have to say' getting the message out CBB's point about BP's better muscles to do that 'effectively' - not wasting valuable years - makes a lot of sense.
Jasbg
HK & sts@ Thanks for your pro valuations here. Actually my wife di see a cardio specialist and he send her home with this arrythmia monitor for 4 days - were she were absolutely fine (some 5 weeks ago) monitor was brought back to clinic - 4 days later she has 'the attacks' naturally in a weekend - where Cardio clinic closed.
Reason for this post' I then decided to explore the 'free market' for home EKG monitors. And long story short - comparing review sites pointed to the one herunder:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/EMAY-Bluetooth-Portable-Monitor-Detections/dp/B07DXHJYBX
Have to say I'm very impressed with this little device - can itself point to 12 different heart conditions analyzing EKG. Hopefully next time 'we can catch how heart reacts during attacks'.
Jasbg
PS. I did not realize how much equip. out there for heart recording. There must be at least 20 devises competing for this market.
cbb@ Thanks for answering - and i accept your reasons - and a fair valuation of JT - after all.
Understand you believe BO is 'the only way forward'. Only way to reach full potential of Vascepa - is the marketing power of BP.
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Whatever happens - the near future of Amarin and Vascepa - will be very interesting. Are we in for the fairytale', just a little delayed - would be nice :)
All the best
Jasbg
cbb@ Teasing a little bit here.
Noticed that eg.Raf. very quickly noticed that - not being Bought Out (in the unsecure months after killing of patents in marts) - right this moment have been 'the right policy' from JT and Amarin.
No matter outcome of appeal - a BO price, after great EP results, will now be higher - as pointed out by postes also - in post a bit earlier.
Do you - and others - arguing all the way for BO - today praise CEO JT for his wisdom - in not 'giving the company away' for $20- 25 a share - as suggested by several on this board earlier - these last months ? :)
Jasbg
cbb@ Dangerous to get you warmed up :)
I noticed all your strong points here - as I'm sure have others. Future will tell (maybe sooner than most expect) if the way you think has reached the men and woman in charge of Amarin :)
Jasbg
cbb@ I know how strong you feel about this - and get your point here: That Dr. Jims post proves your point - 'Still practically no-one in US Hospitals and Med. systems 'know about Vascepa'.
I'm not the person to be the judge in this. I guess what you will have to do - is look at history in likewise situations for other small inventive drug companies - selecting a number of parameters to compare: Who did best in the long run - the ones that GIA - or the ones that got BO ?
Jasbg
rose@ Sure - you got a point here !
I took the approach of - of Dr. Jim pointing to 'the potential being enormous' - as the message has not been spread yet - BUT IT WILL BE :)
Again Covid restrictions hit Amarin at a bad time - talking marketing.
Jasbg
A good day for Amarin and shareholders :)
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A lot of medecin people also on Yahoo - borrowed this fine input from there:
Thanks to Dr. Jim
[quote: Dr. Jim - 21 hours ago
Observations from the front line -
I'm an ER Doc covering shifts at several smaller Iowa hospitals for the last 15 years. 25 yr FP prior.
I have seen NO Vascepa Rxs thus far. I see several patients per shift that would be good candidates. The market is enormous and has not yet begun to be tapped in my region. Docs just have not been informed and educated yet. I suspect this is true in most areas. When the information filters to this level by Amarn reps, medical society guidelines, articles in review and specialty journals, DTC ads, etc.-- Katy bar the door! When informed, docs will readily prescribe. When they hear the story, they will prescribe "Do Not Substitute" for those indications that have patent protection. They will not be sympathetic to the generics trying to scavenge. Payers will cover for appropriate indications. Even if the appeal is lost, the Reduce-It prevention indication is 4X larger than the elevated TG indication (at issue in the law suit). Win or lose this goes up after the appeal is resolved (perhaps after a temporary dip after a loss).
Lose, more gradual increase as sales/earnings increase. Win, rocket takes off in anticipation of BO.][/quote]
Jasbg
HK & postes@ Thanks for reply on wife - comforting :)
Jasbg
HK@ The many models (ever changing) of US health system - does make barriers - and lots of them it seems.
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Being from Denmark - Scandinavia - we don't have quite as many problems (differences) in out health systems.
But then again - total population in my country is about the size of one of your big cities in America.
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A major problem regarding Vascepa - you just can't get it outside USA and Canada.
Want it for my wife who has some minor rather common heart issues (heart jump a beat ahead - which most people don't even recognize - but she has periods with attack's that makes her nervous (she ways 50 kg and walk 6 km every day) so doctor says (ekg taken several times) that she as healthy as they come - but every 2- 4 months she has a couple of days with these attack (5 - 10 times) - and then things back to normal in every way. Startet a couple of years ago - when she passed 65 years of age.
I have this belief that Vascepa - would be exactly the medecin for her - so hopefully EU approval process will move fast - so we can both get on life improving Vascepa :)
Jasbg
Exiting article from yesterday (if already posted here - no harm done):)
https://www.tctmd.com/news/icosapent-ethyl-could-prevent-thousands-cvd-events-if-used-indicated?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Jasbg
PS: A bit funny that the 'ever haunting compared to Fish Oil problem' - is actually turned around here - to a positive :)
Irish@ How right you are - and about future hopefully also :)
Jasbg
Louie@ That's good advice :)
raf@ You didn't. You actually defended BB's right to Speak his Mind :)
jerrywhoo@ As i stated elsewhere - BB is part of the wallpaper in this forum (look at his followers).
But he is 'on edge' right now (as are we all).
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So BB 'please' - Let the pro Law people do the Law Stuff - till after Oral - Thanks Pal :)
Jasbg
postes@ I'm not quite sure sure what you mean here - who you'r shooting at.
But I can only repeat - that this is not the time for 'for pointless fights' leading nowhere. So It will not be mee spoiling 'the mood' :)
Jasbg
OT@ Here something to soften the tension a bit.
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I just love these 'best' sax players - goes right to the Soul !
2 subjects in one post:
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I do apologize to any poster I might have - unfairly - suspected of being Generic Troll on this page.
I earlier in political forums 'again and again' ran into these pro trolls - and that possible made me 'somewhat paranoid' on the subject.
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Second subject: As a Bank or Hedge Fund - You could buy 'half the world' - with the money that Judge Du's ruling moved (+ $6 billion).
Do that mean we are talking Corruption here ?
What drives this question is the many (far to many for normal practice) errors the Judge made.
21 errors - 5 Major - according to poster isaeeds 'Summary of the case and DC Order' yesterday.
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All we can do - is hope for is a Just and Fair appeal case from CFAC - 'Restoring Trust in US Legal Systems' - and then be - 'On to the Future'.
Jasbg
Meo@ Thanks for explaining.
And I found the number of 'Float'- so a bit wiser :)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AMRN/key-statistics?p=AMRN
Jasbg