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Eagle, all of these CE products and more can be produced with a waiver.
This is an actual website page from the LQMT website:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/electronics/
It falls under the category of consumer electronics. It is an archived page.
I seriously doubt that Apple would grant LQMT a waiver to do business with a competitor.
I do not see this applying to companies in China or elsewhere that were never a party to the perpetual license.
Now if you go to the company yihao metal’s website:
http://www.yihaometal.com/
You will see them using LQMT ‘s logo and other data linked to what LQMT originated. Yihao metals like LQMT is not a profitable company today. They are transitioning from R&D to manufacturing. LQMT is trying to do the same.
It is obvious that in China CE of amorphous metal is being manufactured. It is obvious by reason of LQMT USA it is not by reasons of revenues reported.
It should not take much longer to solve this mystery. Two or three more quarters should answer that mystery.
But it is obvious LQMT has problems unfortunately. They are not new. To date for over three years there is no material update from the company.
Good luck to you.
Eagle, this link should be an easier read regarding the MTA:
https://contracts.onecle.com/liquidmetal/apple-transaction-2010-08-05.shtml
There were several amendments afterwards.
It was part of the agreement between Apple and LQMT. To be requested in writing when TS was the ceo. Before the agreement LQMT was involved with several CE companies and as early as 2003 was involved with Apple as one of the companies. All of this is public knowledge.
Neither party has to disclose the request or response.
IMHO, I believe a limited waiver was granted. Possibly for the iwatch. This is only speculation based on the fact that LQMT’s executives have been silent on this issue and know it has been a huge issue since the perpetual CE license was sold. It is very understandable why LQMT cannot comment. In this case if you break a NDA with Apple you lose the shirt off your back you are trying to buy and not the one you never had.
Good luck to you
Eagle1947, which part of that post are you referring to? The waiver or the consumer parts?
Liquidmetal
http://www.lms-liquidmetal.com/liquid-metal-cell-phone-case/50746549.html
The above site will lead you to others. Many of the pictures are similar or identical to the original LQMT and now Eontec websites.
http://www.lms-liquidmetal.com/tag/phone-components-made-from-liquid-metal.html
It would be nice to know if professor Li and Eontec and their associates are the manufacturers.
LQMT itself posted this page a long time ago.
https://www.liquidmetal.com/blades-knives-and-other-sharp-things/
Using the Liquidmetal name by separating the word liquid from the word metal by a keystroke space.
https://www.batteriesplus.com/charger/cell-phone/acer/liquid-metal-_-liquid-mt/liquid-metal-_-liquid-mt
It’s not old news it’s news with a history. Whether it’s illegal when an enterprise uses the exact brand name logo or a slightly altered appearance is not the issue. The issue in a legal battle focuses on two key points. Who had the registration first legally and how long was it known that another enterprise using the brand name without authorized approval.
So if a registrant knew for some time that it’s brand was being used and did nothing, they now will have an extra burden of avoiding setting a precedent. Some laws give you a year to make a challenge and other’s more time.
This is just one of many playing off of the brand Liquidmetal altered. While there are others using the logo.
Hopefully LQMT can recover the legal costs and then some. The words liquid and metal have been used to describe Liquidmetal for many years now. Perhaps only those enterprises using the exact brand name and images can LQMT have a valid point and be compensated.
This link was on a Russian website, when it was thought LM would be one of the materials. LQMT was already claiming they were involved with Samsung, Nokia and Motorola. LQMT had no reason to lie. They also had much higher quarterly revenues before Apple made them an offer they could not refuse.
Acer cell phone in 2010.
http://m.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/acer-liquid-metal.jpg
With a temporary release or waiver, LQMT is permitted to produce the following:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/electronics/
Tap each pic for a brief discription.
The LQMT page does not include all of the possible products, which does not require a waiver regarding hinges.
Good luck to all
Mr. Bresnick, thank you for your follow up.
LQMT never left the hinge business.
Reply..
MOBILE COMMUNICATION DEVICE WITH PROJECTION FUNCTION
Publication number: 20180309863
Abstract: A mobile communication device with projection function includes a main body, a camera and a projector, a display screen is provided at a front surface of the main body, and both the camera and the projector are configured at a top surface of the main body. If the mobile communication device lies on the table, user can also take pictures by using the camera, without picking up the device. Thus the camera operation is more convenient. Furthermore, since the projector is configured at the top surface of the main body, by which the content in the device can be projected directly without connecting other equipment, as a result, user may show or share their photos or videos at any occasion.
Type: Application
Filed: November 10, 2017
Publication date: October 25, 2018
Inventor: Yeung Tak Lugee Li
Thanks for the laugh.
About Yiyi metals, also known as Yihao metals. Dongguan Yiyi Metal Materials Technology Co., Ltd. was established in October 2014 with a registered capital of 92.25 million yuan. It is a new high-tech company specializing in technology development, technology promotion and industrial incubation in the field of new materials. The company mainly provides one-stop amorphous alloy solutions for amorphous alloy materials, molding, machine equipment and post-treatment.
The core team researches and develops amorphous alloy materials and processing technology in China. The team members are the first people in China to start research on amorphous alloys. These people have been deeply involved in this field for 10 years, and have a very comprehensive and in-depth study on the theory and industrialization of amorphous alloys.
At present, the team has mastered the core technology of amorphous alloy mother alloy melting technology, amorphous alloy forming technology, post-processing.
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The above is a translation. Not much is known about yihao metals or where the funds came from or their executives. The name Yiyi comes from Yiyi Li. A woman born in China who pioneered in metallurgy and amorphous metals. Not sure if there is any relationship to Professor Li, a man who went from patenting cookware to patents involving Amorphous medical implant parts
Many of their products that they picture on their web are identical to those on LQMT USA website.
Good luck to all
Bruce, hello Bruce, wake up! I know I requested news and you posted this:
https://www.liquidmetal.com/mdmw-2019/ and yes that is news Mr. Bromage, but really? Is that all you & Co. have accomplished since entering the medical and auto industries over 7 years? That’s it? A BOOTH 2964?
A freeeken BOOTH, with 4 more trade shows to go!
Let me get this straight. You are giving out handouts, when you just received two. One from Apple and the other from professor Li. With the sales you have achieved to date, you should not be giving out handouts. You need a handout.
3 months have passed since the October blog and that’s it? A hole in the ground and a booth? I can’t wait to celebrate. I am jumping for joy. When the shareholders read your last two blogs, there will not be enough oxygen in the atmosphere to resuscitate them from their laughter. You fulfilled all of your backlog of orders and you and KK are going out to solicit more. Wow this next quarterly report is going to be a whopper, isn’t it. I can just see it now...$4 to $12 million in sales from...auto, medical, music, sports, military and of course let’s not (I want to be fair to all) forget CE.
I think it’s time to bring back PH. He can manage the website for $400 thousand a year and his stories are a better read.
Not saying you have not told the truth Bruce. But a BOOTH for a years worth of work, hope, expectations and progress. That takes guts, courage and other words not worth repeating.
Hurry, quick send in the oxygen tanks. :) :) :) :)
Now let’s put BS aside & raise the SP.02 today.
Yamasushi, “Basically LQMT has no Institutional holders, ” actually, not basically you are wrong. There are not 1, not 2, but 3 institutional holders with registered with the S.E.C.
Now aside from our opinions, we want LM to succeed. We are on the same page. The difference is that I try to post nonfiction. Now BASICALLY that is the only difference.
Good luck to you.
I’m glad you asked. That is one of the most important questions asked here. All of us want LM to succeed. Shareholders have a right to expect the company they have invested in be it a mega cap or micro to give their shareholders periodic information which is relevant to their investment and not just quarterly. So that they can make better decisions regarding their investment.
I’ve said it before if one believes reality is negative and does not listen to those views, it benefits no one. There is one thing to post reality or positive or to pump, hype or to post with disappointment. But to carry the water for the company and not be compensated for it, is going a bit too far imho.
What one and all can do is to keep the company honest. All believe Bruce is working and wants success for the company. In lieu of the failures not all are going to accept ambiguity and unaccountability in a blog as well as others. Always try to make sure the executives are accountable. Sometimes it is very difficult to do this with a B.B. stock.
It is obvious that all invested here are waiting for either a pop in SP from a pump or a deal. The longer this takes, the more intense the disappointment becomes. Buying more shares for those who lost confidence is not an option. Selling at such a low price may not be an option for those shares held in ira accounts.
Your question is very good but very difficult to answer. Most invested in the idea hoping to get rich. Very few knew more than that. All here still believe professor Li will help turn years of failures into years of success.
I guess all we can do is to pray for professor Li to succeed.
Good luck to you.
Of course it’s a penny stock. And yes I have already posted some of the reasons why institutional investors are prohibited from investing companies under a certain market cap. Setting that aside. The reason why LM is still a penny stock is not because institutional investors do not own LM. It is because LM in the past 7 years has not achieved any long term income growth to meet the minimum requirements.
Like us, institutional managers are still waiting. Unlike us we have invested, not them!
Professor Li, had to file form 13D. When a registrant seeks to buy more than 5% of a company’s stock, they file a 13d not a 13f.
1000% correct.
Once again, please read...
https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answers-form13fhtm.html
Wesbanco Bank Inc. is an institutional holderof 620,307 shares.
Institutional holders file different forms with the Sec. Professor Li does not.
Some of the guidance for institutional investing has already been posted on this board. Some of those restrictions were posted me.
Get the facts correct. There is already enough false information leaking out.
Know the facts. Call no one a fool least you be a fool yourself. LQMT Ltd. is not considered an international holder. Professor Li established LQMT Ltd. to facilitate the purchase of 46% of LQMT inc. LQMT Ltd. is classified as a insider and not as an institutional holder of any shares.
LQMT Ltd. has one employee. Professor Li.
This is stuff you learn when doing DD. Now you know.
Would be nice to see LQMT up .02 today.
Companies with greater percentages of institutional investors indicate confidence in long term growth by market managers. So what percentage of the authorized and outstanding 900 million plus shares do institutional investors hold? 5%, 10% 20% 40% or 1%? The answer...
The answer none of the above. They own 1/10th of 1%.
Many years after the ipo, even the high stakes high rollers of institutional penny stock managers own not even 1%. They must be wrong, right? And a handful of shareholders know better. Let’s pay more attention to them. They know something that not even the company is talking about.
The simple fact, like the fact above is...the only ones that know what is going on or not going on at LM at LF are the executives, and they are not talking! They have not said a word for over 3 years now that has given anyone (unless you are not focused) any confidence that we’re about to break a dollar let alone.30. Not one PR. Only forward looking statements of anticipations and expectations. The bottom line has not moved from the red to the green on any constant basis.
And one shareholder believes that replacing someone in the IT department, a website developer is the answer and is news. If that were the answer, boy are we really in big serious trouble.
Another fact it is the duty of the company to disseminate updates and other important information on daily, weekly, monthly operations and not the job of all shareholders to go searching for information that may or may not be true. Many times shareholders have posted information, facts researched on the web, only later to be confirmed by the company. Be it a medical instrument or power upgrade.
Bruce & Co. you have received $20 million and $64 million from Apple and Li. And most important of all you have received the patience and hard earned money of your shareholders for many years. It’s time to reward your shareholders with at least consistent updates if not a return on their investment. One repetitive blog in three months and no PR of a deal in over three years is not the way to go.
Good luck to all
While waiting for the Executives to answer inquiries and the windfall of millions and millions in revenues to come pouring down upon the bottom line for all investors to bathe in this year, from auto, medical, industrial, military, sports, and let’s not forget CE. Here is a history lesson to help pass the time by.
After all with all of the raw material coming in and parts being shipped out, and with KK running around cross country and MM gone. Who has time to answer the phones, send out a text message or update a website.
So relax and read. There should be plenty of time to finish before they respond.
http://securities.stanford.edu/filings-documents/1030/LQMTE04-01/2005112_r01c_04919.pdf
MM is gone.
Facts. LQMT website, silent 96 days and counting. 10/24/18 last update.
LQMT over 1095 days no PR of a contract and counting.
Over 1095 days of hope for a contract and counting.
Over 1095 days of theories on where revenues are coming from and counting.
Over 3295 days LQMT remains in penny land and counting.
1/8 of 1% of the (400 million plus) float, approximately 250 thousand shares moves SP 7%.
Income up, but the years of $1 million to $11 million per quarter are forgotten.
In trying to see the positive data from LQMT, without any public sharing of daily or weekly or monthly activity updates from LQMT. I realize that it is becoming more and more difficult to clap with one hand.
All here have shown patience and understanding of why it might be difficult to find a client.
BUT THE INCOMPETENCE OF LQMT EXECUTIVES FAILING TO UPDATE IT’S SHAREHOLDERS VIA IT’S WEBSITE OR IN A PR, IS A NEW LOW IMO, FOR THE COMPANY.
Behavior like this is why we remain in penny land. IMO.
Good luck to all.
I think everyone understands this. But just in case anyone does not.
A publicly trading company does not have to have a profit from revenues for its SP TO ROCKET UP.
It just has to show income growth and a potential to grow that income at a fast pace. Thus potential can have an equal affect on the SP in the same manner. Without PR, potential is much harder to ascertain.
Thus LQMT message boards tend to create their own potential and PR. How accurate or inaccurate the posts are is anyone’s guess.
Happy birthday. The good news for your birthday from LQMT, is that at the current burn rate of $4.9 million annually, they should have 7.42 years to go before they cash out to succeed. Now subtracting time before Li, the company is about 3 years old and appears to be growing. No one knows for sure what they are doing in between the quarterly reports due the fact that Li, and Co. does not release any updates, nor does any of his 10Q’s give out any accountability to where ( what industries) revenues comes from.
Normally it takes a company about 6 years from the ipo to succeed. So Li & Co. should do it within the next 3 years. That’s the end game.
So hope you have many more years to enjoy the windfall.
Good luck to you
See post 165832.
Born 10/18/2012 Deceased 10/24/2018 the new LQMT website!
Gamesc, here are a few more pics of the Apex 2019. It includes your two pics.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/24/vivo-apex-2019/#gallery=1015431&slide=7507850&index=0
Allow the page to load about 4 seconds and it will take you to the slides.
You can always tap on the website again to read the article, but the info is not new. The slides are courtesy of Vivo. There is one caveat about the phone without any details given. I took understood that to mean that the author is more into the look, the style, then knowledge of the product materials.
Good luck to you.
I don’t think so Amigo. We have already increased 50 percent without a contract or PR in 2 weeks.
What about the decease of 15% in October 15% in November and 15% in December also without a contract. You want to explain that to everyone?
Better yet with all of the CE hype for the past three years the SP went from .44 to .10 also without a contract. You have another explanation for that too?
Or the fact that you think your up due to that 50% increase only puts you up zero from where you started 3 months ago Amigo.
So tell me more about your CE THEORIES?
If you had NDA’s you would see volume activity increase from insiders at both ends. No recent insider activity except the ph tc sales.
It is rediculous to look at trade volume on a day to day basis. Just as it is rediculous to think that volume cannot be measured due to reports being filled every 90 days. The weakness here that is pointed out is based on the float vs the average daily trade volume not over a daily, weekly, monthly or quarterly basis. The anemic interest in LQMT and trade volume is not based on spikes of highs or lows during those periods . It is based on the fact that less than 1% of the float trades daily period!
If LQMT had PR to release the volume would be higher. But as Bryce stated, they will only release PR when there is a meaningful development that would have a financial impact.
Now when was the last time you ever read a PR about a deal, a contract? Tic tic tic tic.
You get the point. LQMT is like the tree in the forest that fell, but no one heard or saw it.
Thus you have no new traders or dice rollers having a significant long term impact buying in. Actually you have some, not many exiting. Thus you have constant weak trading, where only $40,000.00 can move the SP up or down 1%. That’s only about 250,000 shares out of over a 400,000,000+ share float. An 1/8th of 1%. That’s a very very sad fact.
But this is not your fault or the fault of any postesr here who are dissatisfied with LQMT ‘s performance or the reality of the lack of LQMT performing better. This is the fault of all of the LQMT executives failures past and present. They are responsible for the SP today and tomorrow. What they do or don’t do reflects on the SP.
Another rediculous notion are those who believe they can increase the volume or outside interest by hyping theories of increased revenues on CE or anything else without any company data or PR to back them up. Thus you have some that think its better to try to pump the stock. Historically that has failed too. Look at JB’s last two pumps. Each have failed.
It should be clear to all by now (it is obvious to many) that it is going to take more than pumpers hypers and theorists stating, $$$ windfalls are on the way and just around the corner. Those days have long past for LQMT.
It should be clear that it is going to take a PR to create the interest and increase the volume through a contract and increased income. And not by insiders exercising stock options to get another unearned fat paycheck.
But until that day happens, you are going to see pumps of CE disproven not by the nay sayers, but by continued anemic volume and outside interest.
We remain in penny land with weak interest and weak volume due to failed leadership in LQMT and not due to failures of pumpers or rational of naysayers.
Good luck to you
Good luck to you.
Li is not on life support. The LF crew already received life support and are about to come out of their coma. They are very cautious. Shareholders are expecting a lot to happen. It is going to happen but not overnight. In the meanwhile the sp may trend lower and visit .10 or lower as no pr has been forthcoming.
Not even the website pumpers can conjure up a reason to buy. Website pumpers and back room penny stock charlatans cannot pump the stock. So based on the reality of anemic income, no pr and anemic interest LQMT is stuck in penny land with little indications of change.
Not even the posters here hyping CE have had an impact. A few believe they had by ignoring the worst December selloff in equities and one of the best January bounce backs. But the volume still remains extremely light. With a float of 400 million shares any move up or down on less than 5% of the float is sad. It is just another indicator how little some people know about stock momentum.
If you base momentum on the March purchase date 2 years 10 months the stock is flat. If you base moment from the .44 spike in 2017 the trend is lower. But to base momentum from a December sell off to a January buyback momentum is meaningless. A more accurate measurement will be from February to April. Either the SP will hopefully stay flat or move up a bit or continue it’s past long term trend of going lower.
A good sign would be for LQMT to show 15% to 20% growth over the 3rd quarterly report for last year. It is also possible that LQMT relied heavily on accounts receivable to puff up the income. If this was done sales for the next quarter could be lower than everyone expects.
The interest in LQMT is on life support. The trading volume is on life support. The communications between LQMT and shareholders are on life support. LQMT recognition in micro land is on life support and of course your LQMT position may be on life support.
Good luck to you.
A deal has apparently been made and(rumor) its not CE. Some outsiders are buying on rumors and it is not CE. No $$$ are known. Not too many trades very little volume so far.
No replies are necessary.
Good luck to all.