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More dilution huh? What are we at now? 400 million?
DID THEY FINALLY SERVE??? Oh my gosh did they actually serve???? They served! Did they? Really, did they serve? Oh, my goodness, they did serve? I've been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for months. Is it true?
Sit back and put your feet up on the table and I'll wake you in a few years! We're in for a long haul.
What about the remaining forty plus infringers?
Where in the world do you see anywhere in my last post, that I have stated they're not in discussions? WHERE, PLEASE TELL ME! WHERE! You obviously haven't been reading my previous posts.
It's called TAPPING!!!!!! DELAY, DELAY, DELAY! Push'em back, push'em back! They're wearing Emil down. The question, that still hasn't been answered, "What about the remaining forty plus infringers"? ..........I know, I know, they don't feel they have to file any lawsuits with them, as we're getting closer and closer to a deal. Hopefully so, I mean it's been how many years now since they've been in discussions? I mean, sooner or later, something is bound to happen, don't you think?
FYI, it takes years for lawsuits to get settled throughout the court system. Sure, something can happen anytime, but when, when do you say enough is enough? Tap, tap tap, into 208, IMHO !!!
I for me, don't believe it's such a positive that they're finally serving. Or as we anticipate them doing.......To me, it states that all three parties don't see any urgency to settle and sign a licsening agreement. One would surely love to think that somethings are happening and they're getting close to a deal but, I seriously doubt it. It would of happened by now. IMHO the only consolation is that they haven't filed additional law suits against the remaining forty plus infringers. It makes me think (hope), why file more lawsuits if something is in the works. You would think, huh? But, it just delays things even more, if nothing develops real soon.
The drama continues!!
Hey Pal, if the clock starts ticking, we're looking at two to three years at best. The only consolation are the other defendants involved. IMHO, it's highly unlikely any deal happens this year. In about 7 1/2 more months and it's 2017. In the meantime, the other forty plus infringers go untouched! A wasted year without filing any lawsuit against them?
The only reason to justify this, is that they truly believe they're close to something! I know, it's comforting but, they're being tapped big time. DELAY, DELAY, DELAY!!!! As tens of millions of lost fees go by each and every month! Tap, tap, tap, into 2018. IMHO
Hey Stef07........I believe someone stated in a previous post, the service dates were moved back a few months. Just sit back and relax, this is a year plus, IMHO for any settlement. I hope I'm wrong but, I doubt it. They're stalling and for every month that goes by, these infringers are saving tens of millions of dollars. Why would they settle now? Very easy to understand. It's called TAPPING!! Tap, tap, tap, Trump talks about it in his book, "The Art of the Deal"! The only reason for settling and acquiring the company, is the possible urgency of beating one of the other infringers out, to owning the patent (s). Thus, impossibly creating a bidding war. Which is what they have stated, they were hoping to do. This is exactly what I hope is happens, as well.
The other question is, what about the remaining forty plus infringers? Are they ever going to sue them as well? Or are they just going to rest on these three? Another thought is, they're close to a deal and they feel they don't need to pursue anyone else. This is what most are hoping is happening. We'll see! The drama continues......
I never said I believe there weren't any talks going on. My goodness, there're email confirmations of this on their website. Where is it that I have said this? IMHO, if it were going to happen prior to serving, it would of by now. Sure, I'm sure they're negotiating or is it just tapping. Stalling and wearing down VPLM? The fact that they haven't sued the remaining forty plus infringers (so-called), leads me to believe that they're in the process of some type of deal. One would time, huh? When's that time coming when they do feel they need file with the others?
You know, sooner or later, when one continues to say it's going to happen at a certain time, eventually that time will come. But, Sawyer said over a year and a half, it would of happened by now. Eventually, it will, but, IMHO we're a long way off, especially if they do serve. Now, it seems like the date has been pushed back. Interesting.
Now, what's happening with up listing? That was to take place months ago? Oh, I know, they don't feel they need to, since a deal is approaching. Good I can only hope. I have millions of shares. lol
Then why wait to serve? Thought the only reason to hold off on serving was to give either parties more time to negotiate and settle this matter. If not, then obviously the defendants feel there's either grounds for dismissal and or they're playing the tapping (waiting) game. Other then the urgency to finalize a deal prior to the other defendants would be in my opinion the only reason to close a deal. If in fact, they feel they're infringing.
Of course they could come to an agreement after being served, but it then could possibly take years! The key, is the other possible defendants. What about the remaining forty plus, infringers. Why haven't they been sued?
I believe there's a piece of the puzzle we're not hearing! But, what do I know, I got in at $ .007, on the LI patent and that appears to not be playing any factor in the value of this company.
They're nowhere near a deal. Of course they'll serve. If they were close to a deal, either a settlement and or acquisition, it would of happened prior to getting this close to the ninety days. IMHO. If they were even close with either one of the three, they could have offered an extension, let's say 30-60 days or so, to them. This would in turn, place some urgency with the other two defendants to acquire the company. Thus, creating a bidding war. But, IMHO if they serve all three, then we're in it for the long haul.
Now, what about the other forty plus infringers? Do they go untouched? Now, that shows weakness. IMHO
Time to start loading up. Just got in today at $ .075. Previously bought and sold and now back in. This is a no brainier. Once I get out of my other stock penny stock, that's possibly about to be bought out, I'm loading up on BARZ, for sure.
Too much potential with Gil. I mean, where can you find a penny stock with a former CEO of a company like Apple, on their BOD? Where ? Wow, to say the least.
Next week will be very interesting. IMHO, I don't believe a deal with be done by then. I don't know, one would think if there was one, it would of happened by now. Just a gut feeling. Hopefully, I'm wrong but I doubt it. Possibly, two will be served and one will be given an extension, if that's at all possible. I'm not a lawyer, so therefore, I don't know if the 90 days can be extended, if they're in negotiations. Just a thought.
Think about what this would do to the ones that are served? It may initiate the so-called bidding war, they have been wanting. If one gets an extension the others maybe thinking that they'll lose out on an opportunity.
But, one things for sure, if no deal is struck with either company, THAT'S NOT GOOD!!!!! Then obviously we're in for a long battle. Then they must feel that these patents will not hold up in court. My other gut feeling, as previously mentioned, is that Emil may possibly be asking way too much for his company. IMHO
Now, the forty plus other infringers sit there with no lawsuits? Is that what going to happen?
Well, it's 3 major lawsuits, not 2. IMHO, if something was going to happen, It would of happened by now, one would think. Why wait until the last few days? The one reason why one of the three would settle prior to a court date, would be their concern for each other. Not VPLM. Does one really think, it they're served its going to change anything. Triple damages would only apply if or when it ever goes to trial. Which more than likely, it won't. Too many companies involved. The urgency would be to acquire the company prior to one of the other forty plus infringers. What other reason for either company to settle prior to a court date, three years from now?
And, one would only assume they're in discussions with them. The information on their website displays emails from the defendants.
I don't know, as I've been sitting on the edge of my freaking coach for over three years, do I really believe it'll be over in less than two weeks? One would think but, I seriously doubt it. Either Emil is asking way too much for his company and they're too far apart. Or, either of the three companies believe there is room for argument. Then it will be prolonged. Then what happens,........more than likely dilution to fuel the litigation. Something that one would only assume they're afraid of. So then, are you saying the remaining infringers, will be ignored? Will they not be addressed, if no settlement is reached? Or course, they'll have to pursue others.
But, you're correct I don't know what's going on in the discussions but, we'll find out more in the coming weeks. One would only think, if these patent (s), especially the RBR, is what they say they are and these companies are in fact infringing, then we should expect a positive settlement, with at least one of the three companies. $200 million to $ 400 million is reasonable but, nothing compared to what the value should be.
IMHO, it looks more likely they'll serve and no settlement will occur prior to the ninety days....if something was going to happen, it would of by now. Although, I pray they get a settlement and a licsening agreement going forward. Usually if there was no question of either compsny infringing, they would more than likely settle. But, if they don't, it doesn't look too good for VPLM. The defendants must then feel they're not in the wrong or dragging it out would be to try and wear down VPLM. Then again, you have triple damages doing so. If it ever goes the distance, which it probably won't.
Prediction; They serve and other lawsuits to a few other infringers. The leverage of other infringers and suitors, is the key here.
Another good post. Kippingate probably is dampening things a bit but, if or when any offer is accepted. I'm sure Emill and the BOD will have do some sacrificing on their part to resolve this issue. If not, they may open themselves up for some shareholder liability. I believe they'll work something out when the time comes.
With that said, I agree with the attorneys position on taking on this case. Trust me, they're looking to capitalize on this, as we all are looking to do. I too, don't pay any attention to any negatives on the stock. As mentioned, investing isn't for everyone. With all the endless good news about this stock, there still are skeptics. Just as there were when the news was out sub penny. When most weren't buying, except a few of us.
There's no one selling. Volume is NOTHING and the average volume is around .009 of the outstanding shares. What is it, around 300,000 out of a billion shares? When I looked, Facebook had the same percentage volume versus outstanding shares. What so is Zuckerberg liquidating his shares, as well. Too funny.
Usually in patent suits, when companies sit down and review if or not they're in fact infringing or not. The attorneys will more than likely advise settling and usually work things out. No attorney is going to advise their client to continue to infringe if in fact they are. There's triple damages. And let's not forget there are other companies involved, NOT JUST ONE! So, they have to now be concerned with what the other companies are going to do. Now, if they feel they're not infringing, it's a moot point and they'll fight it.
It's a great opportunity. IMHO
My prediction is Facebook. Great opportunity to get into the voip business. And if they were foolish enough to pay 19 billion dollars for WhatsApp, then what's 5-6 billion for VoIP-Pal.com?
Good luck!
Yeah, well the interesting thing about that statement, is that everyone using Instagram, "is using Voil-Pal.com's technology! Ever single voip call, text, tweet and e-commerce transaction is using their RBR patent!
And no one is selling shares, especially Emil. The volume speaks for itself!
FACT!!!!!
I'm in st $ .007!!!! And adding to my position!
Need I say more? lol
Yeah, really it's COOL. Instagram was purchased by Facebook for $1 Billion AND had NO REVENUE!. Oh, and Pinterest sold $200 millions in stock to investors, which was less than 10% the value. AND HAD NO REVENUE!
I'm in a DOUBLE ZERO SEVEN! How are you doing? I see the value, as many do as well.
VoIP-Pal.com is a start up oompany with tremendous technology, that a number of huge companies are aware of. Trust me! ITS FACT!
I'm planning on buying more and more and I'm looking forward to seeing this grow to a tremendous investment.
Hey, I just heard talks are heating up. Could it be s licsening agreement or an acquisition? Glad I took advantage of getting in at $ .007 when nobody else wanted anything to do with VPLM! Buying more. IMHO
Good luck and as they, "you can't win it, if your not in it"!
Jagsterling, good post. Glad to see some substance and opinions regarding this company. I agree with the "chill" possibly being an issue. I would think that there maybe a liability from management, if this interferes with any acquisition.
I strongly feel Apple is more concerned with the other players involved here, than VPLM. This isn't just a one on one issue here. They've been in talks with a few of these companies for about two years. Why would there be any bantering, if there wasn't any interest and or concern. One must be concerned if the other purchases these patents before them. I believe these companies are just stalling. Tap, tap, tap. This delaying tactic is used to wear VPLM down. Or, on the other hand, Emil maybe just asking way too much for his company. Hopefully, a conference call will occur in the near future.
I've explained in one of my prior posts about encouraging friends to invest in this company. Some just don't "get it". Investing just isn't for everyone, especially penny stocks. Regardless of the opportunity here. Trust me, our friends don't want to see us do well with VPLM. When it does happen, it will be very satisfying in more ways than one.
Good luck and continue to post. I like your insight.
Nothing will change the PPS upon serving the lawsuit. Waiting is normal protocol in situations like this. It's assumed and besides they announced the reason for waiting. Now, up listing should change the PPS a bit. One would think. Possibly doubling it. IMHO!
What, do you actually think they went through all this trouble not to pursue the lawsuits. Of course they'll continue fighting them. Unless, it's settled with a nice licsening agreement. Trust me, their attorneys know what they're doing. They want to get paid as much as us shareholders. Good luck!
Yeah, I know human nature is hilarious at times!! Funny, I have tried countless times to get my friends involved in purchasing shares of VPLM when it was around two cents or so. I still remember calling my friend when the news came out on the governments website that they finally got the LI patent. It was around $ .017 or so. And he still wouldn't buy shares.......but, he finally did at $ .11. Way too funny.
No, I made the decision to buy st $ .007 and sell at $ .011 and then buy back a few million or so at $ .008. Using my profits to add more shares. And taking profits from another penny stock and buying more shares. Nobody made those decisions for me, only me. All I knew or read was public information, just as others had and they still didn't buy. Kinda just like now.
Listen, you know as well as I do, investing in general isn't for everyone. Especially penny stocks. There's so much incredible news out about this stock and still people don't want to buy shares. I don't have the patients and time to lay them all out, nor do I care to do so.
If it were easy to become a millionaire, most would do so. I'm looking at becoming a multimillionaire, because of what I did. And to be truly honest. One really needs to fail at investing to become successful at it. I have a number of times but, I persevered, where most would have walked away. That's what's called a "you problem, not a me problem".
Good luck and we need to be a little more patient and it will pay off. It may not happen this year, as its April next week. But, who really knows. Just look at the list of infringers that was on the website. Need I say more.
Well I appreciate that. It does take a lot of commitment and experience to see the potential of this stock. Like now, most wouldn't have invested at $ .007, as they're not now. I added more the other day at $ .07 and once I loosen up more cash, I'll probably contiune to add. A freaking NO-BRAINER!
Just look at that list of infringers! The upside potential is beyond ridiculous!
Nah.......No you wouldn't have bought back then! Trust me.....you wouldn't have bought sub penny. I can tell by your posts. Just like a number of my friends I told about VPLM back then, that didn't buy. Penny stocks arent for everyone. Due diligence and expeience is essential. One has to stomach the ups and downs of the market. For the ones that hold on and persevere will prosper! Big time!
Well, there is an old expression, "you create your own luck". Experience with failure, leads to success. Most successful people have failed tremendously. Now, information was all PUBLIC, and I certainly don't appreciate any insinuation otherwise, if that's what you were referring to! Trust me......once I read the public business article that Microsoft had filed a similar Lawful Intercept patent , that VoIP-Pal.com filed two years prior, I was sold! Using my brain knowing that Microsoft paid $ 8 billion dollars for Skype and this LI patent was essential for Skype, it was a NO-BRAINER! Especially at $ .007!
Nobody seemed to be interested in the stock when it was below a penny, and nobody seems to be interested in the stock at $ .08. As I tell my friends, this is a you problem, not a me problem. Generally speaking.
I don't buy anything negative about this company. Sure, I'm extremely disappointed that it's taking all this time and no licsening agreement and or acquisition to speak of. And the last thing I'm concerned with, is if they're going to serve the freaking lawsuit. Does anyone actually believe Emil has spent all these years and tens of millions of dollars, not to continue with the lawsuits, if no agreement is met? Their attorney's know what they're going, trust me! IMHO
Good luck!
I agree....it took a lot of brains to buy in at $ .007 and $ .008, with millions!!!! Especially free trading shares. No brainier if you ask me.
Due diligence is something that needs to be done if an investor wants to make money. I have. There are a lot of things that go on with situations like this one that can't be explained. And it's not something that anyone within the company is telling me. Just business in general. I'm buying more and more and adding to my fortune. A no brainier for sure.
Why in the world would anyone, question whether they're in talks with AT&T and Verizon? Oh, please.....they just filed a lawsuit against them for a few billion dollars. What, their attorneys aren't going to be talkng? They probably are talking to other attorneys with other infringers, that we don't know about. Not everything is going to be discussed with the IR guy.
It's not all about Apple. Trust me. There are thirty plus other companies. Apple isn't the only one.
It's best to just let this play out. IMHO I believe this is a licsening agreement with a number of companies some which may not be one of the three fore mentioned. Also, up listing with no acquisition in the near future. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Completely agree.......there's way too much good going on within this opportunity. And it's absolutely hilarious that there's so much concern about VPLM, serving their lawsuits. To think they spent years and tens of millions of dollars to drop everything. Too funny. No issue or concern to worry about. I'm extremely confident their attorneys know what they're doing. And no judge is going to look down on them delaying serving. Heck, hopefully they're in discussions with other companies and they won't have to.
And to think Apple isn't concerned with AT&T and Verizon, not to mention the twenty plus possible infringers that could potentially purchase their patent (s), is even more hilarious.
Your price range is exactly where I predict as well. I'd like to see up listing to s higher exchange and even a lisecening agreement. Until then, I don't see much movement in the PPS. I'm adding more shares shortly. Just a no brainier.
Experience is soothing to the soul!
Does anyone have an updated outstanding share count? They've obviously have duluted some. When PPS goes down after good news means they diluted into the news to offset a large decline in the PPS.
Nope, not buying it.! "NO RBR PATENT, NO LAWSUIT". Serves is an issue, not to be concerned with. One must do they're own due diligence! The attorneys have their strategy in place. I believe they know what they're doing. OF COURSE THEY WILL SERVE, EMIL HAS ALREADY STATED THIS!
Again, once one realize that Apple, now has to be more comcerned with AT&T and Verizon, than VPLM, not to mention Google, Microsoft and CenturyLink, to name a few. Then one will realize the stronge position VPLM is in........How about this. Maybe it's AT&T, that has to be concerned with Apple. Or maybe Verizon has to be concerned with AT&T? I believe most are understanding the strong position VPLM holds.
One must do their own DD. Can't stress this enough. Emil hasn't spent all this time and money, with what they own, not to continue with the litigations.
Glad I got in three years ago. Way too funny.
No, how about thinking of it this way....."NO RBR PATENT, NO LAWSUIT". Service is a non issue! Apple, is more concerned with AT&T and Verizon, than VPLM, not to mention Google, Microsoft and CenturyLink, to name a few!
When some realize where the real leverage lies, then there will be no more questions.
In at double zero seven! Way too funny!
My sentiments exactly....three years plus for me, in at $ .007 and have continued to add. Hopefully, we're rounding third and coming home. Hopefully by years end, some kind of deal will get done. Either LICSENING AGRREMENT, up listing to a higher more visible exchange and then a sale. IMHO
To think they've spent all these years and tens of millions of dollars and not serve is just laughable.
If no deal is completed by the ninety days, then more lawsuits to follow. One would think. Thus, creating more urgency to get something done. I'd like to think something will happen prior to serving but, I've been disappointed countless and countless times, it wears you down. We're in good hands with the BOD's and its best just to be more patient. End of year at best. That's only 6-8 months away. Trust me, I'd like it done next week.
Oh thank God, they finally decided to service, if no agreement is met prior to the ninety days!
FINALLY, YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER!
Nope, not buying it....actually they're not a patent troll, one must do their own due diligence.
Really????......$ .007 to $ .33? Do the math! Really, yeah it really did happen! Lol
From $ .10 to $ 5.00?.....not to far fetched! Really? Do the math!
So, keep worrying about serving. Lol.
Apple has to be worried about AT&T & Verizon. Not to mention, Google, Microsoft, CenturyLink and over thirty others! It's not just VPLM, they need to be concerned with, now is it?
I'm not worried and or concerned about how VPLM's attorneys are strategizing. REALLY!
Enough said. Please refer to my prior posts for most information.
The only good reason would be the infamous dilution. Does anyone have the latest count. From my experience, one would think they're diluting shares into the news. Thus, the drop in the PPS.
Nope, still not buying it.....Emil hasn't spent all this time and money not to further pursue this lawsuit......the attorneys know very well what they're doing. One must do their own due diligence! They've been in talks with Apple for close to two years. It's called TAPPING. Stalling but, wait oh no, there's now AT&T and Verizon to now worry about. Now, throw in CenturyLink, Google and Microsoft to name a few others that have been put on notice......it's getting interesting!!!! May take longer than some would like but, whatever at this point. Emil is not settling for one billion, trust me. That's nothing when SnapChat turns down 4 billion. Not even close to what VPLM has.
Agreed, it may take more time than we'd like but, I believe the attorneys know what they're doing. Pitting each of these companies against one another is ingenious. Once more are named, more urgency to make an offer before the other guy. Being concerned about serving, etc., is just a non issue. What, are they just going to drop the lawsuits because no one made an offer or signed a licsening agreement.
NAAAAA, NOT BUYING IT!!!
Your point is a non issue. Please read my prior posts for better understanding. It's very funny, being so concerned with what the attorneys are doing. The lawsuit was filed, whether they settle prior isn't the end of it. Trust me. Does anyone really think they put in all this work and effort, not to continue to pursue this? REALLY?........... Too funny.
Apple has to be not only be concerned with VPLM, they now have to be concerned with all the other companies and future companies. Apple surely didn't go back and forth for all this time if they didn't think there was something. It's called TAPPING!!!! They're STALLING. But, now Apple, AT&T and Verizon have to be concerned if one or the other will purchase before they do. Much, much different than the other patent lawsuits.
The fact that it's been about a month and no other lawsuits have been filed, maybe they're in talks or maybe not. We'll see.......only time will tell.
In at double zero seven! Way too funny.
Non issue....hopefully they won't have to. If there's a settlement prior no need. The attorneys know what they're doing.
Stef07. I really can't imagine anyone wasting their time and effort, etc., on such a ridiculous amount. This is just an indication that the PPS really is no real value of where we're at.
Also, thanks for the PM, I'll look into it.
Just a hint, you may want to read my last post # 31300. They'll get a licsening agreement with someone, and more than likely to settle one of the many forthcoming lawsuits. Now, you have to keep in mind, that's going backwards. Now, just think about going forward?
If an investor can't see the potential here, then that's their problem. I've tried and tried to get a few friends invested in this stock and they just don't get it. And this was when it was at two cents. But, I got in first at double zero seven.
A $ 300-400 million settlement for a licsening agreement is extremely reasonable. Especially when there're a dozen potential companies. IMHO