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Never said that specifically...
I said I don't understand if you don't have a position and what you write on this board clearly shows you have absolutely no trust in management or the company's ability to deliver on its objective, why you would waste time here...
Let's face it...if you come here looking for answers because the company's product/service intrigues you and you want to know more because you might be thinking of investing your money, that's one thing...
Once you get here and you don't get an answer or don't like the answer you get...and you don't have a position...it doesn't make much sense to me to continue to be here...
Maybe that's just me....
Well, that does explain your position....
I can buy the "you're looking for information that would make you want to buy in"
E...
Last I read, you don't have a position...
From your most recent statements today, you obviously do not believe in the company or think they have any chance at all of making it...
With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely), why would you continue to follow what is being said here?
Look...I have my own doubts....but, at least I've got a position...
Well, I just don't understand...
First, I don't understand how seemingly extremely intelligent people cannot discuss this company and its product and its strategy on a message board without starting WWIII....
I do not understand how people can ask questions and not get direct answers....even to the simplest of questions or with a simple answer of "I don't know", "can't divulge", "hasn't been done yet"...
I don't understand how shareholders wouldn't want to see some of these questions actually answered so at the very least we can move on...
And I certainly don't understand how people who don't have a position in this stock can waste time on this board if they are not getting the answers they think they need...
For cryin' out loud, I'm not saying the questions aren't without merit, but geez, if you don't get an answer or an answer you like....you'd think that would be enough DD to get you to look to put your investing dollars elsewhere...
It's either that or I have to believe that some of you are my older brother who just likes the thrill of the fight even when there isn't one to actually fight...
C'mon, people...most of us are shareholders....get it together and let's gets some answers....good or bad....let's just get them....and move on....let's at least act like adults....
Apparently, TC threw in the towel....Good for him....
Yeah...saw it...
Thanks....
I don't understand people...I get frustrated too....but, I don't know why you have to insult anyone....
In the crossfire, we wind up losing information...maybe it's not enough information and can spark additional questions/discussions, but information nonetheless...
Thanks again for checking into it and reposting the relevant pieces...
I'm disappointed Max apparently will not be back (unless he cools his jets and changes his mind)...with someone so close to ground zero, it's good to hear what, if anything, is going on...
But, frankly, if he doesn't post, maybe it is better...too much emphasis placed on every word he writes and leads to disappointment (not necessarily his fault) from readers here...even I share some of the guilty plea on that one...
There seem to be a lot of gifted, intelligent people on this board...I am in no way a stupid man, but there's obviously a lot of intellectual firepower from both sides about physics, chemistry, etc., etc....
I'm just a logic and dollars guy....Quantifiable information about progress whether it be building reactors, public interviews, press releases referring to third party information and such are things that make me things are moving in the right direction and not just stagnating....
Posters here, including you Z, who have been to Natchez or spoken with company management are also a plus...Yes, naysayers will make a case that you all can't be trusted...We all have to make our own decisions as to whether we believe everything posters tell us...but, from my end, with what's been said from that group, that it seems plausible and logical...
Sure, Natchez Boys....take your time, get it right, but show progress...progress builds confidence...and confidence is everything...
Z...
WTF ?....on RD's post?....
I'm throwing the red flag on the field....
Can you get under the "hood" and check the replay?
Max...
Keep reading....post 34987, TC is not challenging the process..
I know that will make you sleep better tonight...
Et tu, Z ?.....
C'mon, man...you're not taking a page out of the Maximus
playbook, are you?... :)
I read one of your posts where you said the Natchez Boys are in the process of building the other reactors...
Are they actually building them?....someone here said the parts were there, but I don't think I've read anything (other than your comment) that construction has actually started...
Another thing...do you know (even ballpark) how much it costs to build one reactor?.....It sure doesn't look like much other than some steel tubing...
Also...IF the SSTP dividend is ever delivered, I have seen talk that they would be restricted...Not that I'd be looking to sell them anyway, but why?...Other companies issues stock dividends in spinoffs...I have never known them to be restricted...
Just curious....
From Max's post replying to yours
There are many avenues for value-added dividends we have looked at for even the short term. Redistributions, early dividends, project-based incentives, etc.
Wording is everything....or maybe posters are just reading too much into everything Max says...
That being said, are we reading too much into what he says about management delivering....on anything?
Boy, I'm cranky today...
I wonder if people on the Titanic were thinking that same way...
Tap, tap, tap....Max....is that you disguised as sackmeister?
Sack...
C'mon, man...I'll keep saying it....of course, it would be nice if pps started moving up...hell, it would be nice if it skyrocketed...
But, the lack of straight answers here from the company rep is extremely discouraging...
One poster mentions "cash" dividends...my point is we can't even get them to tell us WHEN the declared stock dividend is going to be paid...What the hell is so hard about doing that?
And...from other posts here, the "I've been told they're coming soon" is again...much like Linus' lament on the arrival of the Great Pumpkin....
Hey...I'm probably going to need a job...If USSEC would like, make me a consultant....I can tell them what they need to do to keep shareholders from baying at the moon...myself included...
If they can't get the easy things right, it starts making me wonder if they can deliver on the really difficult stuff...
Did I miss something?....I can't even find the press release on the USSEC site or Yahoo....
Dude...we can't even get them to give us the stock dividends in SPC....
Unfortunately, the only thing that will move the stock price higher now is an actual signed contract (or contracts)...
That's right....the tangible answers I am saying we want and we seek will not move the stock price....they'll only make us feel like we just heard we are on the right train...
You know how you feel when you find out that news....you can sit back, relax and take a nap....
The name of the game is revenue....while I slam the company for changing gears on strategy, I must say that they are sticking to power generation as the first foray...
But, at least to me, they had potential multiple streams of revenue (what happened to selling the fertilizer?)...
Perhaps a reasonable answer would be that it doesn't make sense to crank it up and sell fertilizer without power generation....I don't know if that's the answer...
Look...I can't see Natchez from way out here in CA...
I would just like to read a lot of straight answers and see/hear some movement down there....
and...btw....even when the auto manufacturers tell you the MPG, you can't rely on that either...
Everyone knows the MPG is skewed....
And that's the real problem in Corporate America...
Too much spin to sell the product....
Well, dude...you're one of those guys that seems to have a whole lot more technical knowledge than I do....
You're one of the guys that I wish somebody would give a direct answer to....because if guys like you were convinced, you wouldn't be flailing your arms...I mean that in a good way...I don't remember if you're the one, but I seem to remember it was you who recently posted you don't believe any fuel will ever be made/sold (if it was TC, then my apologies, but you guys sometimes can be interchangable)...if you believe that, then I guess this is just an exercise for you...
It's like I said....the company needs to build credibility with the shareholders (or if you're not, even the ones who may be interested)....Obviously, if you are interested to ask the questions, you must think that if you got your answers, you'd be plunking down your money....
I, for one, hope you get your answers (even if it's just an exercise)...Me?...I'm trying to work on logic alone and right now logic is telling me I don't like what I'm hearing/seeing...the problem is one day I do and then the next day I don't...
Some will say you've got to give the company a chance to deliver....it's too early in the game....it's a pink sheet stock so what can you expect?...you're playing the lottery...
I've been around long enough (and long enough in the equity markets) to know that all of the above are potentially true...and I'd hate to think anyone (including Max) are trying to deliberately deceive...
But...credibility is waning by the day....
Max...please don't be Linus and let this be the story of The Great Pumpkin....
We need tangible answers....
Well, Tony, I'd have to agree with you...not just the pink sheets...any trade/investment in the equity market is a gamble.....
If we want guarantees, it's FDIC-backed CDs....
But...I think you would agree we want fair play...
(Directed to USSEC Management)Don't entice us to the edge of the cliff for a better view unless there's something to see
The problem with a deleted response from the PR guy is that it makes it look "fishy"...
If Max misspoke, why not just post again saying, "Hey, I misspoke"..."we didn't test the fuel in the turbines"...
I don't even know how important the answer to that question is since some (who seem to have a whole lot more technical knowledge than I do) are stating it doesn't matter...
Again, it winds up being a credibility issue....
Max...I implore you....build credibility with the shareholders by answering directly...(or if USSEC wants to make me REALLY look bad, sign a contract)....
The IR guys from Redwood are from the same mold....
No spin....straight answers...please...(OK, now I'm sounding whiny even to me...so I'll stop)....
Sack...
My problem with Max is that he's a PR guy first and foremost....no disrespect to him, but he's paid to spin...just like any other PR guy...
Second, his other posts about how busy they are and contract signings appearing imminent would be more believable if he could answer the simple questions directly...
When he doesn't, even if he's a totally honest guy (and believe me, I'd actually like to meet him and sit down with him to determine that), it gives the appearance that he is "shucking/jiving" in true PR-guy fashion...
Then, no matter what he writes about the big picture, it is hard to put much weight on it...
It's nice a couple of promos are out (WallStNet and the "All-Farmer" Network) and he does a credible job (because that IS his job), but his posts here leave investors "zombie-like"...
I came to this board hoping to get answers or see answers that validate these guys can deliver...when I get here, all it turns out to be is a lot of hope/despair...
Sometimes, Max's posts offer that ray of hope....then, the next minute, he doesn't answer a simple question with a direct response and dashes us to the rocks in despair....either he just likes tweaking people on the board or he can't shake the PR-guy alter-ego...
I really hate to throw this all on Max's shoulders, but he is our only company contact...We can't get any answers anywhere else (except some of the visual stuff from guys like Ron9)...I realize Max can't divulge everything because of its sensitive nature, but answer simple questions directly....he doesn't know?....say so....it hasn't been done?....say so...
Max....please....don't do the PR dance...
Build credibility with the shareholders...
Oh, God....here come the "why don't you just sell your holdings, stop whining and get off this board" replies from the faithful....
And please...please don't ignore or shout down the doubters...unless they are abusive...and I think if you don't attack them, they won't be abusive....If they ask questions, answer them...directly....then they will stop asking the same questions....
Then perhaps he can communicate:
a) when the SSTP dividend is going to be paid
b) what's the status with the patent process and is
Finnegan, et al still handling it?
Max...you can certainly frustrate the bejeebers out of me...
You were on the board last night and didn't touch either of these topics...
Although you did say you'd get back to me on the firm date for the "party"....(and I'm having trouble figuring out why THAT is taking so long to nail down)....
Yes...I'm cranky...
Hey, then I'm happy for you....no use being miserable where you live...
I'm sure it's beautiful country out there....but, I watched weather reports all winter long for other parts of the country and believe me, it was nice to be out here in SoCal...
If I really wanted to see snow, I can visit the snow at Big Bear which is about an hour away....and some 7,000 feet above sea level....
Oh sure...I'd love to trade sun and 80 degree weather for bitter cold and mountains of snow....
I guess I should never say never though....
Max...
Do we have a specific date on the "party"?
Last I looked on the USSEC site, there were no positions available...
Not that I'd seriously leave this SoCal weather to move to MS....
I'm a basher?....
Look, man....I work for New Century....If you know anything about what's going on over here, then you know I'm probably out of a job any minute now....
So...if you know where I can apply for these paid pumper/basher positions, let me know...
I could use the dough....
Max...
We've all read the Rivera process is "patent-pending"....
What, if you know, is the timeframe for a patent or patents to be issued?...just curious...I have no knowledge of how that process works...
Is Finnegan, et al still handling that?
"...one Ponzi scheme after another. In my opinion, JR doesn't intend to produce any biofuel...."
Dude...if you believe that, then I wish I had your money...you have to be rich to waste time asking questions about something you apparently believe will never happen....
This is not an attack....but, in reading your posts, it defies logic that someone would waste time trying to poke holes in something they don't believe in one iota...
It's either that or you're some budding journalist looking for a big scam story to make your career...
Yes...even I'm somewhat skeptical about whether the company can deliver, but if I was totally convinced in my own mind it wasn't going to get delivered, I'd hit the sell button and you'd never see my moniker on this board...(which I suppose some might cheer)....
You can't ask for more direct than that
So, Max....are we talking to Hawaii?...
Sounds like it's ripe to me...
Like he says...he wants to believe....
Why else would you spend time on this board?....
If you didn't, you'd go look for something else to make money....
This company is in the process of trying to build a plant in my town (Corona, CA)...thought you might be interested
BlueFire Ethanol, Inc.
OTC:BFRE
BlueFire Ethanol, Inc. recently announced the Company has been awarded up to $40 million from the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) cellulosic ethanol grant program to develop a solid waste biorefinery project at a landfill in Southern California. The Southern California Biorefinery Project will turn green waste and wood residues at landfills into about 19 million gallons of fuel grade ethanol per year. Additional products that will also be sold include lignin, gypsum, and yeast. BlueFires’s current production estimates for the project will be significantly lower that DOE’s cellulosic ethanol goal of $1.07/gal in production costs by 2012, and DOE’s current estimate of approximately $2.26/gal.
BlueFire Ethanol, Inc. was established to deploy the commercially ready, patented, and proven Arkenol Technology Process for the profitable conversion of cellulosic “Green” waste materials to ethanol, a viable alternative to gasoline. BlueFire’s use of the Arkenol Process Technology positions it as the only cellulose-to-ethanol company worldwide with demonstrated production of ethanol from urban trash (post-sorted MSW), rice and wheat straws, wood waste and other agricultural residues. The Company plans to break ground on its first Bio-refinery in the first quarter of 2007.
Max...
Good interview on wallst.net...
Keep 'em coming....that's 2 in the last 2 days....
You're on a roll...
Well, at least then you've got your book title...
Oh no...not the infamous "14 days"....
And besides...we all know David took out Goliath...
But his slingshot was loaded and he wasn't bluffing...
Again, I hope I can make the same comparison with USSEC...
Max...
Thanks for not hating me and replying...Believe me...I'm not trying to drum up enemies....
I certainly hope USSEC is about to go to the "high-leg kick" in this race, it's something I want to see...
I certainly hope I'm wrong...and you're right...
But you know what they say about when you assume...
The problem here is wondering if the "party" will actually happen....
Right now...it's supposed to....but based on past experience, the company does tend to change course quickly...
And unfortunately, when they do, they leave investors wondering....
Sorry...I'm more of a "show me" guy....I love a good story like the next guy....but "show me"....
Max...
Nice to see/hear something about USSEC's story getting out there...
But...at the end, the host of the show gets it wrong as he refers to it as "the biodiesel thing"....
Max...what's gnawing at me is the whole USSEC story is so great...but, I'm reading posts here referring to articles about how other companies are moving ahead (i.e. Constellation Energy)....and USSEC just seems to be dragging along....I just hope management is not holding out for too much...I realize it has to make sense and generate profit (that's why we're all here)...but, USSEC seems to be so far ahead in this whole game....why do I feel like we're running behind everyone else?....
This seems to help solve so many problems (i.e. global warming, cheaper electricity, less dependence on nuclear and oil, putting farmers to work)....Are there so many out there that hesitant to be the first?
Also from Yahoo....when the MOU was signed with ONYI...
Additionally, USSE still plans to effect the distribution of its previously announced dividend of Sustainable Power Corp to shareholders of record as of Dec. 1, 2006. Further information on this previously announced dividend will be made immediately after the closing of the definitive agreement with Originally New York, Inc.