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"I'm guessing eventually shareholders are going to suspect that USSE doesn't have anything commercially viable right now and at that point, USSE might have a problem getting more shareholder financing."
As Usual...stop 'speaking' for shareholder...which you are not one anyway!!!
Again, PP..What is YOUR concern here?
L2's .295 x .30
Vol 159K
To PP , E and 'others' that so wanted to 'worry' about.. if soy could and would 'work'....(you know... the age old PP question about BTU's and E's insistance that they need to cook the beans, then fire them up)
The most interesting part, is that this is from a Dept of Energy website....for kids
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/renewable/biodiesel.html
BIODIESEL MADE FROM VEGETABLE OILS AND ANIMAL FATS
Biodiesel is a renewable fuel that can be used instead of diesel fuel made from petroleum. Biodioesel can be made from vegetable oils, animal fats, or greases. Most biodiesel today is made from soybean oil. About half of biodiesel producers are able to make biodiesel from used oils or fats, including recycled restaurant grease.
Biodiesel is most often blended with petroleum diesel in ratios of 2 percent (B2), 5 percent (B5), or 20 percent (B20). It can also be used as pure biodiesel (B100). Biodiesel fuels can be used in regular diesel vehicles without making any changes to the engines. It can also be stored and transported using diesel tanks and equipment.
Fueling engines with biodiesel has just started to catch on, but this isn't a new idea. Before petroleum diesel fuel became popular, Rudolf Diesel, the designer of the diesel engine, experimented with using vegetable oil (biodiesel) as fuel.
BIODIESEL AS A TRANSPORTATION FUEL
Most trucks, buses, and tractors in the United States use diesel fuel. Diesel is a nonrenewable fuel made from petroleum. Using biodiesel means that we use a little bit less petroleum. Biodiesel results in less pollution than petroleum diesel. Any vehicle that operates on diesel fuel can switch to biodiesel without changes to its engine.
Because it is so clean burning and easy to use, biodiesel is the fastest growing and most cost efficient fuel for fleet vehicles. Many school districts are switching to biodiesel blends for their school buses. Biodiesel is also being used for fleets of snowplows, garbage trucks, mail trucks, and military vehicles. So far, the use of biodiesel has been limited to fleets of vehicles that have their owner fueling stations. As the number of public fueling stations that offer biodiesel grows, it may become more popular with individual consumers.
B100 and biodiesel blends are sensitive to cold weather and may require special anti-freeze, just like petroleum-based diesel fuel does. Biodiesel acts like a detergent additive, loosening and dissolving sediments in storage tanks. Because biodiesel is a solvent, B100 may cause rubber and other components to fail in older vehicles. This problem does not occur with biodiesel blends.
BIODIESEL AND THE ENVIRONMENT
Biodiesel is renewable, nontoxic, and biodegradable. Compared to diesel, biodiesel, is significantly cleaner burning. It produces fewer air pollutants, like particulates, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, and air toxics. It does slightly increase emissions of nitrogen oxides, though. Biodiesel produces less black smoke, and smells better, too. Sometimes biodiesel smells like french fries!
Regular diesel fuel contains sulfur. Sulfur can cause damage to the environment when it is burned in fuels. New environmental laws will require the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel to be dramatically reduced over the next few years. When sulfur is removed from regular diesel fuel, the fuel doesn't work as well. Adding a small amount of biodiesel can fix the problem. Biodiesel has no sulfur, so it can reduce sulfur levels in the nation's diesel fuel supply while making engines run more smoothly.
Last Revised: October 2006
Sources: The National Energy Education Development Project, Alternative Fuels: What Car Will You Drive?, 2004.
U.S. Department of Energy, Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, Alternative Fuels Data Center, October 2004.
I just want to THANK Mr Fisher...for doing this little company the honor of mentioning USSE in Forbes.....Your little "blunder" was MY GAIN....LOL
I'll take your "bad" articles, anytime....LOLOLOLOL
Hey, wheres PP???
you know PP..it really is sad that you would not do your own 'correct' DD....If it takes a 'trip' to Natchez, to do this correctly/completely; I (personally) would even pay for it (out of my pocket change)...
Its really too bad you are such a small fish , in a big lake.
Are you sure, your not Mr Fisher...cause your taking it awful personal...you even resort to calling Robert- Minimus Communications...LOL
The other 'key' is the JS attacks (in the article), much like you have been attacking that same subject , here.....
Too many similarities for me. IMO
Holy Cow....Is PP , Dan Fisher....
Would explain alot...especially his "handle"..
HMMMMMMMM........
BRAVO Robert.........ET
Very true PJ...isnt he the one laughing all the way to the bank , now!
Think he would have been half as ' big' as he is today, if he didnt get the exposure that propelled him upward...LOL
We should all be thanking Mr. Fisher for that article!
GM all...I see it was quite a day for posting , yesterday.
We got alot of 'new' attention from all sorts of people ...coincidence? Maybe, But i was always told, "even bad news, is better than no news at all!"
This board is doing exactly what its intented for....to spread news and opinions....to get people excited...to create interest.
Glad to see it working so well.
Along those lines, did anybody know why Howard Stern (radio host) was always so talked about by the people/press that supposedly 'hated ' him so much?
Most of 'those' listeners would tune into his show , to hear what outrageous things, he would say next....drove his ratings through the roof....
Food for thought.
Von , I do agree with the hold and forget attitude, as i will not be selling anytime soon. It is a little disheartining to 'hear' that the other tubes are not assembled yet. I am not micromanaging their operation, but , really, whats the 'true' hold up?
Even if contracts come(big ones, as some proclaim) they need to execute on 'the tubes'....If they cant get that right, what makes me, as a shareholder, hope to 'make money' on this stock (which is exactly why anybody invests money into 'stock')?
Hence, my expectations are that the share price , goes down....while this is not necessarily a bad thing..it will reflect the 'true value' of this stock (at this point)
Even if ONYI merger goes through... there is no revenue (maybe contracts, but no real revenue)
WE need tubes assembled...we need contracts..we need product...we "need" management to start kicking butt on building tubes....otherwise, we need to watch this stock blow in the wind of "speculation".
Again, I have no doubt in the technology, and am not 'selling' , when the price 'comes in', I will be buying even more.
While I understand the 'operational' aspects of getting everything 'just right'......in terms of shareholders 'values', what good is the 'coming' contracts, if they cannot be satisfied. In my world, you need product to fulfill these coming contracts. If they cant even get 'tubes', up and running...what does that say about management ( as a shareholder's perspective)?
While I share your enthusiasm , it wont get the PPS 'up', but will more than likely, drive the shares further down.
neither would I...if in fact they are not assembled or being assembled...
In fact , it might be a good reason to dump!
ready for assembly? not actually assembled yet? can you clearify...thanks
thanks , now next question, does it have to be 'approved' by the SEC? if so, does that take very long?
Also, does anyone know the 'reporting period'/quarterly and or yearly, for ONYI?
got a technicle question for board..is Originally New York name change to United Ethanol complete already? (as PR'ed, so it should not be called Originally New York anymore, but instead United Ethanol Group)
If so, does that come with a symbol change from ONYI to whatever the 'new' symbol is going to be?
Or , are we waiting for the merger to be complete..and then changing everthing all at once?
Interesting ties that Range Fuel has...with VC....hmmmmm
About Range Fuels, Inc.
Range Fuels, Inc., is focused on green energy and the production of cellulosic ethanol. The company does not use food products like corn, but rather uses waste products and turns them to value. The company's innovative technology uses wood chips, municipal waste, paper pulp, olive pits, and more and converts those materials to ethanol. The company's system, named K2, uses a two step thermo-chemical conversion process. The first step converts the biomass to synthetic gas and the second step converts the gas to ethanol. The company's business model is to design, build, own and operate its plants. The company is private and funded by Khosla Ventures, LLC, arguably the top venture firm in the U.S. focusing on alternative, clean (green) energy systems. The leadership team melds experience from Silicon Valley's fast-paced, high-tech world, and the technologically intense coal, coal gasification, and gas-to-liquids industries. Range Fuels' vision is to introduce the world to a fuel that's renewable, sustainable, and eco-friendly in its production.
Thanks Dave, I touched on this yesterday in one of my posts( or Monday) but couldnt find any resouces... I appreciate the link....
Interesting ....Mascoma Corp has a VC as one of their board of directors
Any tie into the maximus posting about VC???
http://www.khoslaventures.com/
Dave , would you or could you post the specific's of the Pres Biofuel Initiative? Would be helpful DD
Excellant post David...as usual ET
Anybody else notice NO TRADES TODAY IN ONYI???? ET
Actually on the bottom of the united website, it say UEG a division of SPC...HMMMM...
recheck.... maybe I am wrong...sorry
Anybody catch that cool new united ethanol group logo?
http://unitedethanolgroup.com/
Did anyone catch the pres budget?
There are a ton of 'things' that USSE will be doing that should benefit from it....
A bunch of money for alternative fuels (USSE),
money for energy (SPC)
and ethanol (ONYI)
Lots of money for defense (our buddies) at (P&W)
It was almost like it was scripted by this company....LOL
I'm thinking .255 EOM
They are so hung up on it because they dont know how to "see"...It must be spoon-fed to them.
You know what is more fully believable...that you switched Alias' from Murphy to PP...next you'll show up as Eelfland....
LOL ... atleast you can keep it straight... those multiple 'personalities' (in your own head)
You do make me laugh! LOL
Bingo! Billaro...Now THAT is DD......ET
"I chose not to post the name of the Pratt and Whitney employee, and I will not do so."
In other words, IT was Bogus!!!lol
No it does not 'prove' to me if the USSEC website was changed.
My proof (DD) would be that employees 'signature'.
Murph, i dont 'worry' about Z, he rearly posts anything more than 1 line "remarks". Not picking or bashing you Z...but that is the least of my 'worries'.
The newbies do need to do their DD, that I am in full agreement with you.
What I dont agree with you about is the Maximus "stuff".
Questioning where his offices are, what his ties to P&W are or any other nonsense you come up with , should be DD .. and if your DD was throughly done, you would 'come up' with FACTS.
BTW , I asked you in the past "about whom", from P&W 'signed' that e-mail you posted....Until you post a corrected version ( that can be verified) , I'll assume it was MADE UP by YOU.
Please prove me wrong..it will be part of my DD
Thanks Voyeur.. glad to see others "get it".
While some are worried about BTU's or PPS or any other 'minor' issues like why their shares are not going up VS. the BIG PICTURE.
We as shareholders should be ACCUMULATING shares at such a ridiculously low price. Instead of bellyaching about why the stock is not going straight up.
This is 'our' opportunity to 'catch the wave' and be a part of this startup.
Other, bigger players, will come to realize just what is going on, but for now..I'll just keep on accumulating
One shareholders take on USSE
In response to PaperProfit, Eelfland, Rebellad, Murphy and other unnamed bashers.
I have done a huge amount of DD on this company. This is the way I perceive things.
This company is the true “find”. Most pinkies make all sorts of claims, which will never be substantiated. I believe this one just might be different. As usual, in pinkie land, 99 out of 100 ‘companies’ are bogus. They are scams, pump and dumps, and are designed to fleece novice shareholders out of their money. This one is possibly the exception.
I say possible for a couple reasons:
Technology - It seems to have a viable product. You can dispel it all you want and try to probe as thoroughly as possible, but frankly, the technology is here.
The evidence (as you seem to want so badly) may not be provided to you. I call this smart business. I imagine PP that you are a ‘plant’ by 1 of three parties. It could be big oil . It could be a short selling firm. It may also be a competing company. This wouldn’t be such a dumb move on their part. If I was them and I just realized that this ‘little’ company was about to take away my bread and butter, I would plant someone here also. Their thinking would be ‘might as well stomp this company into the ground before someone actually takes notice and starts working with them.’
This leads me to another point. Thanks to your question PP about “any good uses for it”, I was pondering the different business relationships that USSE has and had to ask myself, “Why Pratt and Whitney?”. “What is their ‘play’ here?” The answers became obvious, very quickly. They are a huge defense contractor, as well as provide much of the technology that goes out of defense and into mainstream America. If I were them (me thinking, ‘like’ them) what is my play. Let’s see, if this newly developed fuel is going to be all that, we had better ‘find out more’. I am pretty sure that they also have done their DD. They would never invest their time, if it were not a viable product. What does this mean for them? Let me take a stab at it.
If they already produce turbines for airplanes ; government and private, and they can make, or already have a more fuel efficient turbine out in production, they take this new fuel and put it in, bam, even more efficient (by x amount %). That is huge. When I made mention in the past about seeing this fuel at all major airports, that’s what I was alluding to. This is a reality, and it was probably thought of , prior to me realizing it (but you made me connect the dots). As Pratt and Whitney rolls out these new turbines, USSE provides the fuel. It also makes P&W phenomenally more profitable (in book orders) because they can now offer unimaginable cost saving to the airlines and the government.
In turn, the old airplanes need to be retired because they are so grossly inefficient and guess who they will be buying turbines that power these airplanes from?
You got it, Pratt and Whitney. *See PR below for example
Now that is ‘covered’, let’s say Northwest Airlines or any other airline needs these more fuel efficient planes.
Who will provide financing for them?
GE, is my best guess! Which is why, I assume, David Crow was brought on. How easy is it to have Crow, call his old buddies at GE and ‘inform’ them of this huge new “play”. Not hard I would imagine. GE makes their money on financing of the new planes, which must be bought. Every airline will switch, they have to, just to compete for market share.
As a side note, GE didn’t ‘start off’ as a finance company originally. They made great refrigerators, but they made their ‘real’ money, in the financing of them.
This leads me into ‘the next play’, TurnKey. What a smart play that really is. They already know that this fuel does what it says it does. They can go out with one of their MobilePacs and setup for any disaster, like Katrina. But that is not their only play here. Let’s expand it further. SPC the spin-off of USSE can now, go out to anybody who is getting ready to build any type of manufacturing plant ‘type’ operation and offer the ‘plant’, a self contained power station. Independent to the restraints of the local power company and whom usually have ‘backup’ power installed ,whenever they do build out new ‘plants’. This could mean little to no down time, cheaper energy costs, scalability and ‘always on’ availability. As an example, let’s say Intel Corporation needs to ‘set up’ a new facility for their latest line of production. In comes SPC with a designed, tested and warrantee Mobilepac unit ( that P&W just happens to make for them, and Turnkey bought from them, thus filling supply and demand needs, at once) and can offer Intel a way to save substantial amounts of money when they go with SPC. If I am the decision maker at Intel, I would certainly have to listen (about a 30-35% cost saving) because that money can now go straight to my bottom line (more money for shareholders).
Now this is my take on USSE/SPC/ONYI
ONYI, what is the significance here? While, yes, the production of ethanol is good, that is not where our real cake is. The real cake is the testing of this new conceptual plan to run any type of manufacturing facility with tremendous cost reductions (the 30-35%). Bring in SPC for electricity, and set up the working production facility (while reducing costs) . ONYI to me is more of a “franchise” concept. While we (as shareholders) will make money on the business model (i.e.; the selling of the “franchise right’ to different territories, the selling of the materials for production, the setup of this whole ‘plant’ concept etc) this is not where the true money is. Don’t get me wrong, it will be very profitable, just not as profitable as in other areas. The beauty play here would actually be in “who owns” the land underneath these plants and the royalty to use the concept. As an example, McDonalds Corporation, while you may think is in the hamburger business, is actually in the “real estate business.’ They own some very choice and valuable land. How about the royalty payments that they also receive? It can and will make them more money than they could ever make selling hamburgers. The current and future values of these choice locations as well as the royalties are the beauty. They will have consistent cash flowing through their operations via lease agreements and royalty payments with “franchisees”.
This is where some more value for ONYI is. Yeah, we’ll get you financed (GE or P&W) to build your new ethanol plant (ONYI) that use electricity (SPC) that buys the turbine from (Pratt and Whitney) that runs on this special new fuel (USSE).
Lets talk a minute on USSE.
The value for USSE just happens to be the slickest ‘thing’ that comes out of this Rivera process. The newly created and developed, biogas. Did you happen to know that a lot of these other “big plant” operations need some type of gas (natural or propane). USSE can now provide to them our excess from the Natchez plant. But that is good money, let’s think about great money.
How about we ‘commoditize’ this new gas. The huge money is going to be in ‘owning’ the exchange, which is now created from the revolutionary gas. Futures’ markets are going to need to now “trade’ this, much like Oil, Sugar, Soy and Electricity. DO YOU GET IT NOW?
That is the master stokes, the pièce de résistance, the gold nugget.
This is the beauty of this whole thing. Whomever thought (unless it hasn’t been thought of yet, but I personally doubt it) of this is frankly, a genius.
I may be getting ahead of myself here. But one does have to ‘imagine’, just as I have.
*Pratt & Whitney Receives Two 20-Year Service Agreements from Northwest Airlines
EAST HARTFORD, Conn., January 25, 2007 – Northwest Airlines (NWA) has awarded Pratt & Whitney two, 20-year Global Service Partners service agreements to maintain Northwest’s fleet of PW2000 and PW4168A engines. The service agreements are the largest ever awarded to Pratt & Whitney, a United Technologies Corp. (NYSE: UTX) company. Financial terms were not disclosed.
“During a review of our maintenance cost model, we found that having a single-source maintenance provider for our PW2000 and PW4000 engines would significantly reduce our engine maintenance costs,” said Andrew Roberts, Northwest Airlines executive vice president of operations. “Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners presented the most comprehensive solution for our engine maintenance needs while meeting our cost reduction targets. We look forward to continuing our long-standing partnership with Pratt & Whitney.”
The Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners service agreements for Northwest’s fleet of PW2000-powered 757s and PW4168-powered A330s, include: engine overhaul, part repair, materials management, on-wing engine diagnostics, lease engine support, environmentally-friendly EcoPower® on-wing water washes, as well as engine upgrades that add fuel efficiency and durability while lowering maintenance cost.
“We appreciate Northwest Airlines’ continued confidence in the quality and competitiveness of our products and services," said Steve Finger, Pratt & Whitney president. “Pratt & Whitney’s relationship with NWA began in 1926 when we powered their first aircraft. Our 80-year partnership with Northwest illustrates our continued commitment to delivering engine solutions that contribute to the success of our customers.”
“We are delighted that Northwest Airlines, a recognized market leader, has chosen Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners to deliver world-class engine services,” said Jim Keenan, senior vice president and general manager, Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners. “This long-term maintenance partnership strengthens Pratt & Whitney’s position as a unique OEMROTM engine services provider.” OEMROTM represents Pratt & Whitney’s commitment to unmatched capability and excellence as both an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) provider.
Northwest Airlines is one of the world’s largest airlines with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,400 daily departures. Northwest is a member of SkyTeam, an airline alliance that offers customers one of the world’s most extensive global networks. Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 900 cities in excess of 160 countries on six continents.
Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners is a total service provider for CFM56®, V2500® and Pratt & Whitney engines. In addition to offering traditional engine overhaul and repair services, customers count on Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners to improve engine performance and increase asset value through a broad portfolio of services including line maintenance services, engine monitoring and diagnostics, environmentally-friendly on-wing water washes, lease engines, custom engine service programs and new and repaired parts.
Pratt & Whitney is a world leader in the design, manufacture and service of aircraft engines, space propulsion systems and industrial gas turbines. United Technologies, based in Hartford, Conn., is a diversified company providing high technology products and services to the global aerospace and building industries.
excellent post Air..(clapping)
Bill, Your being nice...i was thinking that he is more along the lines of something that rhymes with ironic....LOL
Relax there Sack...I was showing that Soy based products are truly in use already .
And are already being SOLD in the marketplace.
Of course they wont make $ with it, as their is no need for it...LOL
Thought again it was 'splained to you yesterday....
POST # 24913
http://www.tevisoil.com/fuel/biodiesel/
Thought you got schooled in that yesterday E...
You and PP back for more??
Notice 2 things...The word ELEMENTARY article (which refers to the grade level you need to working with)..
and the bolded out section...last line
The NEED Project · PO Box 10101 · Manassas, VA 20108 · 800-875-5029 Energy Exchange - March 2006
ELEMENTARY Article: Energy Pioneers
George Washington Carver
A Humble Beginning
George Washington Carver was born around 1864. He
was born a slave on a small Missouri farm. He worked
in the house, doing
chores like washing and
cleaning. During his
youth on the farm,
Carver took long walks
through the woods,
exploring nature and
learning what he could
by observing the trees,
insects and flowers.
A Great Student
Even though he had a great curiosity about the world
around him, Carver was not allowed to attend the local
school because he was African American. The farm
owners, Moses and Susan Carver, allowed him to leave
the farm and attend a school for African American
children. He paid for his food, a place to stay and the
cost of school by doing laundry and cooking.
Whenever Carver could afford to go to school, he did.
When he graduated, Carver started a small farm in
Kansas. He was a better student than a farmer and went
back to school in Iowa in 1890. Carver took art classes
at Simpson College. He drew and painted very detailed
plants and flowers. After a while, he switched to
studying agriculture so he could focus on nature and
his desire to help farmers. In 1891, Carver began
attending Iowa Agricultural College. He earned both
his college degree and an advanced degree.
The Heart of a Teacher
In 1896, Carver became a teacher
at Tuskegee Institute in Alabama.
Carver wished he could teach
rural farmers about ways to
improve their crops. He created
moveable schools to take the
classroom to the farmers. Classes
were often taught in farm fields
from the back of a wagon. Carver
taught about crop rotation and
natural fertilizers. By 1930, the
moveable schools had a nurse, a
home demonstration agent, an
agricultural specialist, and an architect who shared the
latest information with rural people.
The Mind of a Scientist
Carver wanted to help
African American farmers
be able to support their
families with the crops
they grew. He discovered
practical new uses for
crops. Carver worked in an
area of chemistry known as
chemurgy. A chemurgist
finds industrial uses for
crops. Carver mostly
studied the peanut,
soybean and sweet potato. He found more than 300
new uses for the peanut, 100 for sweet potatoes and
100 for soybeans.
Henry Ford was very interested in the work that Carver
was doing with soybeans. Carver consulted with Ford
on many projects. In 1942, Ford developed a vehicle
that used a bushel of soybeans in its construction. Ford
and Carver both believed that petroleum supplies were
limited. They worked together on projects that replaced
petroleum with crops to produce rubber, plastic and
fuel. Today, the fuel that Carver made from soybeans is
called biodiesel.
The Spirit of a Gentle Man
During his free time, Carver would draw, paint,
crochet, knit or do needlework. He enjoyed making
useful items for his friends from natural materials.
Carver was also interested in natural pigments. He
would use soil, berries and plants to make bright and
bold colors for paint and fabric dyes. Upon making a
new color of paint, Carver would often take it to a local
farmer and help paint the
outside of the house.
Improving the lives of others
both on and off the fields was
important to Carver.
A Great Legacy
George Washington Carver is
an energy pioneer because of
his work with soy fuels. He
developed many products
from crops that we still use
today. Carver taught practical
things, always wanted to learn
more, and wanted to help
other people have better lives.
Pond near Carver’s boyhood
home in Missouri.
Credit: National Park Service
Credit: Library of Congress
Statue of Carver at
George Washington
Carver National
Monument, MO.
Carver in a farm field.
Credit: National Park
Service
And i gotta say....they should have had someone PROFFESSIONALY prepared that PR...
it was horribly written...it makes 'things' more than confusing...No shareholder wants the word "free" in ANY PR....
Also, the two quotes by moffitt and rivera make them sound awful.I cant tell where moffitt stops quoting and rivera starts.
Not bashing, just being honest.
Thanks for clarifying that Max.....Since you have been on board it is refreshing and inspiring to see how much dedication you have to USSE in leu of "your own" business interests. Keep up the great work.