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Life-has-passed-you-by-Over-Promise-and-Under-Perform-cant-deliver-the-bacon
The quote is from the company on 10-22-2015
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We expect to have some very large sales coming soon.
More info will be announced when the ink dries on the purchase orders.
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Zilch, notta, nothing, zippo from the company that would add any credibility to these PR'd promises that seem intended on inciting speculation.
Tag line for this company is approaching
"Over Promise and Under Perform" or maybe
"We cant deliver the bacon"
Has-that-ink-dried-yet?
"More info will be announced when the ink dries on the purchase orders."
Nothing, notta, zilch, zippo, ....
We have no information from the company as to how many items are actually selling through these new channels.
In this example no news is Bad News.
Pumping-Bashing-kinda-irrelevent-PPS-is-what-provides-return-on-investment
While some investors have timed purchases so as to see positive returns, suspect majority of investors have lost money on this stock, largely based on FDA speculation that has yet to be realized after many years of "Pumping"
Identify-examples-of-pinks-with-10B-OS-and-15B-AS-and-will-agree-that-wrong
Especially examples that are in business for the number of years that biel has
Bottom line PPS is best indicator of investor sentiment and assessment as to the companies valuation
Bottom-line-PPS-does-not-reflect-pumping-optimism
Business-knowledge-may-be-impacting-investment-practices
Right-pinkies-also-do-not-generate-OS-10B-AS-15B
This company is pioneering in many ways
Including Family funding practices
Ok-speculating-on-sales-that-have-not-started
Fall into the category of hopes & dreamer, as opposed to data based investor
Bottom line, once Dilution discontinues and only then can you be reasonably confident of profitability forecast
Company continues to increase AS is leading indicator "forecast" lack of confidence in revenue levels allowing for profitability.
Benefit to the investor is company must file the AS and this allows investor insights to details company would ideally not like to be public information
No-disputing-positives-just-factual-forecast-profitability-is-not-true
There are many many positives for Biel, thats why am an investor, just the reality is right now there is no foreseeable forecast of profitability, if you are unwilling to contact company for confirmation so be it.
Inquire-with-company-no-forecast-of-profitability
Stop speculating, simply send eMail to company IR, they will confirm that there is no foreseeable forecast for profitability.
This infers the toxic dilution will also continue.
IMO-is-the-important-fact-from-this-post
While semi factual based, the weighting of hopes & desires results in the post being essentially little more than OPINION
Dilution-continues-inquire-with-company-for-confirmation
Suggest anyone who speculates that dilution has been discontinued to inquire with the company.
The company will provide a response that defacto confirms that revenues from sales channels is still not approaching levels that would allow for share dilution to be discontinued.
Not-seeing-profitability-from-added-sales-channels
Suggest anyone who speculates that profitability is near based on the new sales channels inquire with the company.
The company will provide a response that defacto confirms that revenues from sales channels is still not approaching levels that would allow for share dilution to be discontinued.
False-company-continues-to-fund-operations-from-sell-of-shares
Suggest writing to company IR and ask for confirmation if share selling is still occurring.
The response received from the same inquiry confirmed that the revenue from new channels has not provided enough income to discontinue the share dilution strategy.
So, any speculation that profitability is near are false and if you inquire with the company IR you should receive the written confirmation.
Sometimes-the-truth-hurts-Sell-on-the-news-once-news-is-public
If you were executing the companies share selling strategies would expect you to do the exact same thing.
Sell/Dilute on the news once news is public.
Thats how the process works and why the company has over 10 Billion shares trading.
Will-retract-upon-FDA-Clearance-until-then-Toxic-Dilution-is-proof-enough
Agreed-strong-indications-suggest-Deceptive-PR-campaigns-to-feed-Family-Pump-Sell-Toxic-dilution
2016-will-likely-bring-continued-TOXIC-Dilution-and-dreams-of-FDA-clearance
Significant-number-of-PPS-dreamers-exist-on-this-forum
The potential company valuation and related PPS is limited.
There can be significant PPS inflection related to speculation, but the potential long term valuation relative to market total addressable market "TAM" is limited to penny levels.
Yep-all-they-need-is-more-uninformed-investors-to-sell-shares-to
This company has 2 generalized channels, 1 for the product and the other for uninformed investors to buy shares from
Yes-we-are-and-with-proper-company-execution-that-could-be-1375%
PPS-will-rise-if-units-sold-is-rising-relative-to-new-channels
Even without US FDA clearance, if units sold is rising, pps will rise proportionally.
New channels is vague, investors want to know how many units being sold relative to new channels being added
Relative-to-recent-sales-channels-having-been-added
Now beginning to see how the company can mislead when the information being presented is not read in detail.
The company benefits from investors not reading between the lines of the vagueness of the PR's.
IE: "There is no reason we should not have FDA clearance by the year end"
Many interpreted this as inferring there would be FDA clearance by year end 2015.
IE: "The 1st order received for ...."
Without the number of units sold, could have been an order for 1 unit.
We-know-about-sales-channels-we-dont-know-units-being-sold-per-month
Need to move on from "additional sales channels"
Now need to request units being sold data point from company.
History littered with failed companies with adequate sales channels, if there is not demand for product, then business is not viable.
Company needs to show there is customer demand for the product relative to recent sales channels having been added
Not just a PR stating order received for channel X.... need to know how many items sold into new channels.
Hows-your-appetite-for-number-of-units-sold
All the new sales channels are irrelevant without knowing that product is being sold through the channels.
Inquire with company as to how many units being sold per month
Bunch-of-BS-not-based-on-any-real-facts
If the company had viable product sales the PPS would be viable to more investors instead of lottery chasers
At-this-point-sales-is-not-whats-near-term-interesting
Interested in demand for the product, sales, revenue, profits will fall in place if there is demand for the product.
Company ideally would verify there is demand from the new channels for the product.
The-concept-is-whats-important
The point is there is no reason to NOT release items sold details.
Assuming items sold counts is positive news.
Sentiment-is-important-large-investors-would-react
If the company released tangible items sold details then PPS would react.
Unless of course the details are negative and this is likely precisely why company is unwilling to share information.
Compromises toxic dilution strategies
Suggest-to-Apple-number-units-sold-is-providing-competitive-advantage
Not sure how disclosing units sold into channels provides competitive advantage. Especially when product is submitted for patent.
Again, if you are an investor, you want company to share the items sold data.
If a poster suggests the items sold information is not necessary then they are likely not an informed investor and may have ulterior motives.
Total-BS-about-not-providing-investors-proper-data
Only an uninformed investor would not want items sold data from the company.
Can be done in a manner so as to not disclose any competitive information, yet provide investors with confidence that good sell through is occurring.
Agreed-company-should-share-number-items-being-sold
Company needs to share
Number items being sold into number of channels over given period of time.
IE: Sold 8K units into 2000 stores in the 30 days of Nov 2015
Not, we added another 200 stores, that type of PR information leads to speculation and ultimately undermines investors trust in the company PR campaigns.
"No-reason-should-not-have-clearance-by-end-of-year"
This is the type of statements the company chooses carefully to disseminate.
Induces speculation/hope that clearance is on the horizon and while is "factual" ..... this type of communication is not demonstrating a level of integrity that is conducive to ensuring sustainable PPS growth.
Instead induces speculative PPS bounces that assist in selling shares at valuations that can not be sustained as the truth is revealed over time.
Data-is-factual-just-misrepresentation-or-lacking-critical-facts-and-or-data
Not questioning factual, stating the information is a misrepresentation of what is occurring.
Without data from company on ITEMS SOLD INTO NEW CHANNELS the fact new channels are being added is just the PR's shining the best possible light on what information they are willing to share.
NEED ITEMS SOLD THROUGH NEW CHANNELS.
Nothing stated in this forum regarding sales or profitability is viable without knowing how many ITEMS BEING SOLD THROUGH NEW CHANNELS
Company-would-be-sending-multiple-PR's-if-credible-information
There is ZERO credibility in predicting profitability and in fact sales.
The these new channels were generating significant sales the company would be sending out multiple PR's claiming significant increase in sales.
Instead they are only sending out PR's about new channels or stores, not how many items are being sold in these new stores/channels.
Huge difference in new channels and actual sales through these channels.
Basically, company PR's for new channels is Pump & Dump, without unit sales data, new stores being added is essentially deceptive advertising. IE: Bate & Switch or Pump & Dump....
Zero-Credibility-otherwise-PPS-would-be-rising
Too much speculation in suggesting profitability within next year or for that matter EVER, considering lack of sales relative to all the new channels being added.
If there was any credibility in profitability then the PPS would be rising because REAL investors would be buying on future earnings and or profitability projections.
Are-you-suggesting-Amazon-and-or-eBay-are-not-valid-channels
e-Retail are some of the largest channels for product merchandising in the world. Amazon is outpacing Wal-Mart
eBay-Only-channel-that-allows-reporting-on-sales
Agreed kinda a reach, but data that can be relied upon given company is not releasing sell through data.
If the product works, it will nearly sell itself.
Word of mouth and customer reviews will achieve significantly more than any other marketing campaign.
eBay is a great cost effective channel
Exponential-requires-periodicity-what-period-is-being-proposed?
IE: 6 months, 1yr, 2yr....
Need 2 axis to define exponential growth.
Y axis is sales growth, X axis is time/period
Don't have recent data from company.....
If last year revenue doubled, then are we proposing next year will quadruple or 4X? and the following year 2017 will be 16X
Can almost guarantee that aint happening.
If were possible we would have seen the growth on eBay UK
1-2-3-4-consumed-not-very-palatable-tastes-like-promised-pie-getting-brussels-sprouts
1) Suggest reviewing definition of exponential
IE: 2X-4X-16X-256X
2) Suggest asking company for actual month over month items sold numbers
A sales channel being available does not imply sales are occurring
3) FDA clearance is unlikely within next few months,
something is wrong and company is not being transparent as what is the issue
4) See point 2 above, sales channels available does not infer items are selling through those channels