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Maybe we're seeing "chunks" of sells from the "accredited investor"?
35,576,568 shares is a lot to unload. They would have to do that in bits and pieces that us sheeple could absorb. And any sale price at .09 or above gets them at least double their money, and selling at .17 gets them 400%. (Seems like a lot are going for around that amount lately...) Not a bad return for only 4 months time. And unlike me, any savvy investor is going to protect their profits. So even if they are only selling a half, or a quarter of their shares right now, that's still a lot of shares changing hands.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/120626/apdn8-k.html
"The Company issued and sold 35,576,568 shares of Common Stock at a purchase price of $0.04336 per share (which is equal to a 20% discount to the average volume, weighted average price of the Common Stock for the ten trading days prior to the closing) to an "accredited investor," as defined in regulations promulgated under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Securities Act"), for gross proceeds of $1,542,600."
APDN - To da MOON!!!
http://www.worldpackagingnews.com/2012/10/there%C2%B4s-much-more-to-come-in-food-security/
There is no doubt that sustainability is one of the most commented issues in the packaging universe today. But professionals – and companies – also have another big concern: food safety and security. According to a recent study from Du Pont Packaging & Industrial Polymers, “the world is facing new threats to food safety due to climate change, the failure to address the problems in agriculture, lack of food and lack of solutions for sustainable approaches”.
Little knitting circle? severely deranged?
Man...why you want to rock our rockers like that?!
There's nothing wrong with people dreaming, wishing, and believing in something.
We all know the APDN share price is going to do what the APDN share price is going to do no matter what you, we, or anyone says, so if there's any way you could post comments that are not personal, negative, or derogatory towards the people on this board, I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated by all.
Thanks in advance.
We've seen (or been told about) some of APDN's competitors, but IMO, one of the the biggest advantage's APDN has over them (if not THE biggest advantage) is described well in this article that most of us have probably seen already.
http://www.worldpackagingnews.com/2011/12/dna-ink-to-prevent-food-counterfeiting/
"Since DNA is trusted as a forensic form of authentication in courts around the world, Nissha believes that it provides the highest security, and will help in the prevention of forged articles, and the preservation of global corporate brands."
The company using synthetic DNA is probably the closest competitor, but because APDN uses an existing DNA strand found in nature, I think their's would carry more clout in a court of law. IMO.
Also, the article was written last year before APDN had the capacity to scan DNA codes with an I-phone, so, based on the size of Nissha...
"Nissha is listed on the Tokyo Stock Exchange with a market capitalization of US$ 500 million. Headquartered in Kyoto, Japan, Nissha is a globally networked company with over 4,000 employees (consolidated), 11 locations in Japan and 27 bases located throughout Asia, North America and Europe."
...I would say that once again, just one tiny piece of the overall pie has the potential to be a huge source of revenue unto itself.
Applied DNA Sciences is listed under the "Taggants and Forensic Features" of the Directory of Currency Suppliers from last year, so who knows what countries might be using it in the near future, or even now?
http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/2155330/the_directory_of_currency_suppliers_4th_edition.htm
Just posting a refresher on another APDN customer...I like the "long term" part and the fact they are increasing the business between the two of them.
http://www.3sisecurity.com/pdf/documents/AppliedDNAAgreementwith3SISecuritySystems.pdf
"STONY BROOK, N.Y., August 10, 2011/Marketwire/ - Applied DNA Sciences, Inc. (OTCBB: APDN), a provider of DNAbased security solutions, announced that it has entered into a long term supply agreement with 3SI Security Systems,
the world leader in asset protection systems. Commercial supply of the DNA markers has already begun, with repeat
orders to be fulfilled on a monthly basis."
http://www.stirlingsquare.com/Portfolio/Current/3/3SI%20Security%20Systems
"3SI has manufacturing operations in Belgium and the USA and sells its products to 90 of the top 100 banks in the USA and 27 of the top 50 banks in Europe."
And, of course this latest one from October 9th of this year showing things are still going strong (and getting stronger) between the two companies...
http://www.adnas.com/SMPR/applied-dna-sciences-and-3si-use-dna-protect-teller-stations
Sorry...but I'm going back to the pens for a minute since I found a bit of a breakdown on the contract...
http://www.biomedreports.com/2010101358070/botanical-dna-codes-for-luxury-brand-as-part-of-five-year-87-million-agreement.html
"The Company expects to receive approximately $1 million in orders in calendar 2011.Orders are expected to ramp up annually thereafter."
So maybe it breaks down like:
2010 - .7 million
2011 - 1 million
2012 - 1.5 million
2013 - 2.25 million
2014 - 3.25 million
...or something like that IMO
A good weekend to all as well!
APDN is mentioned in Nissha's 2012 Annual Report released last month, so evidently things are still going "swimmingly" with that company.
http://www.nissha.co.jp/english/ir/annualreport/business/information_com.html
IMO - Not in our lifetimes we aren't...
Thanks wishful. I'm just putting down random thoughts, but I sincerely believe that there is way more going on with APDN than we know, and the company is going to thrive in the not to distant future.
You are a believer!
I agree with everything you said also. I mentioned something before about APDN being a wildfire about to happen, but I think raging inferno as you put it, is probably closer to what will happen.
Because when it (share price) goes up, it's going to go up fast!
Hey cat...I'm going to ramble with opinions for a bit, so bear with me.
As much as we would like it to happen, I think we have to accept the fact that APDN is not going to provide news of any kind (especially not about contracts naming customers and dollar amounts directly involved with anti-counterfeiting in the military sector) in an attempt to get the stock price to go up or to appease us "investors". They will continue to provide info of course, but probably info that is public already, as was the case with the DLA mandate.
We still see them as a penny stock, and as we all know, penny stocks pump their products, real or implied, as a means to put more money in the owner's pockets before they run off to the Caymans.
From the "noise", we know something big is going on, but we can't fathom why they aren't they letting us know what's happening?! We're not used to quiet from a penny stock when we know things are going on with it, so it's tough for us to sit here on the outside looking in through frosted glass speculating on what those people inside at APDN are doing.
IMO, it's because APDN is past all the pumping and dumping and is a penny stock in share price only. They are running with the big dogs now, and have been for awhile. There is no need for them to pump themselves and their product to the investing community anymore. The "story" of what is really happening with APDN is not going to come from press releases as it has in the past when APDN needed to sell some stock to get by. From now on, we will see what is happening with them in their quarterly and annual reports. And the share price will go up or down accordingly at that time. Not to say penny stock pumpers won't still be trying to make a buck or two off APDN, so I'm sure we will still see some ups and downs for awhile before beginning that long, smooth ride up.
The pen/ink thing with Montblanc made me think about APDN and what they disclose, or more importantly, what they don't disclose to the public. And I think johnsyn said something awhile back about some things being in APDN and their customer's best interests to not be made public.
I think the media has made it clear that companies (and governments) are at war with counterfeiters. If a country is at war with another country, and they have an invisible spy plane to keep track of their enemies movements, etc., it's probably in their best interest to not let the enemy know that, so that the enemy isn't trying to find out ways to detect it and render their big advantage useless.
Same thing with botanical dna...if I was using it as a means of verification and authentication to prevent counterfeits from getting into my supply chain, I don't think I would advertise the fact so that counterfeiters weren't looking for a way to get around it or duplicate it. And I wouldn't want the company I bought it from to say anything about it either.
I feel that APDN will share information when appropriate because it's worthy of mentioning, or if the info has already been shared by someone else, and not because they want to get stock market "playas" excited so that they can dump millions of shares for cash to pay the electric bill.
IMO - NO NEWS = Relax and enjoy the ride.
Keep in mind, there is a war going on with counterfeiting, and as the old saying goes, "All's fair in love and war.", so the only expectations we should have of APDN is to expect the unexpected. lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_stock_option
IMO, APDN did what they had to do to recruit decent employees. They didn't have the cash to pay them a good salary up front, so they said if you come work for us, we'll make sure you benefit if the company does well.
Again, IMO, I don't think it's something to be concerned about at this stage of the game as I doubt we will see a massive dump by the employees, but if we suddenly see 100,000,000 plus on the ask, some of us may want to sell quickly at the bid.
Would just like to clarify something so people aren't getting shaky knees for no reason.
The 167 million is not debt, it's accumulated losses from the companies inception. They actually have very little debt at this time.
So they don't owe that amount to anyone, it's what they've already paid out. It's the investment they have made that they are now looking to get a return on. (As are we.)
From the last quarterly report:
"To date, the Company has generated minimum sales revenues from its services and products; it has incurred expenses and has sustained losses. For the period from inception through June 30, 2012, the Company has accumulated losses of $167,239,859."
And IMO, we won't be seeing the comment about "minimum sales revenues" for very many more quarterly reports.
Here's an old article about using APDN's technology in ink cartridges and laser toners.
There are a lot of companies, names, and other things listed that might give someone a lead for some new info to go on an internet hunt tonight if they were so inclined.
The game changer (IMO) is the fact that an I-phone can now be used for on-the-spot authentication. They didn't have that in 2009.
http://finance.paidcontent.org/paidcontent/news/read/8596402/applied_dna_sciences_secures_laser_toners
Yep...as we've mentioned before...the potential uses are staggering to think about.
Let's hope we see some come to fruition before too much longer.
I'm sure it's them, but, since no names were mentioned...we have to assume for now.
I wish my name was 2020 foresight instead.
I think its too late to change my name now, but thanks for the thought.
I was actually searching for APDN's tie in with inks, especially those used in cartridges for printers like Hewlett Packard, etc, as I saw something about what a big problem counterfeit ink cartridges are.
This could be a big marketing opportunity for Lexmark, or whoever if they advertised that the same botanical dna ink used in Montblanc pens, is also used in their ink cartridges to ensure they are authentic.
"Because we care about the product you receive, our cartridges have the same ink as some of the best pens in the world do." or something along those lines. lol
Timewise? Not sure... I've been quiet lately because I've been looking for things on APDN, but there isn't much out there we haven't uncovered that's recent.
It was chance that I came across the first article on the pens, after that it was only a few minutes to put two and two together with the APDN 2010 press release.
And again, we're assuming APDN and Montblanc have an agreement, but I don't know who else it would be if not APDN.
Thanks johnsyn...
What was/is a great novelty item for rich people...
"Hey Warren, check out my new Montblanc pen. Yeah..the gold and diamonds make it pretty classy looking, but what's really cool about it is what you can't see. The ink has some kind of plant dna crap in it that can be traced back and authenticated as having come from this pen, and this pen only. I'm getting with my bank right now to make sure my wife doesn't cash any more checks without them verifying I wrote it! Ah ha ha!!!"...
...could become a household item. For the right price of course...
Here'a an article that shows the value of the contract.
http://theluxuryhub.com/apdn-provides-dna-authentication-codes-to-check-trade-in-counterfeits/
"Applied DNA Sciences announced that under the terms of a five-year agreement with an exclusive European luxury brand, APDN would receive a minimum of $8.7 million for supplying the Company with proprietary botanical DNA Authentication codes custom-made for the brand-owner’s customers, in order to maintain exclusivity on the agreement in the specified field."
8.7 million over 5 years is a pretty good chunk of business for APDN. And I would bet that it increases each year, so the bulk of that is probably yet to come. IMO
I work for a service company where we schedule jobs typically about a week or two out. When someone calls and wants us to do a job 3 months out, 6 months out, etc. ,we always joke, "Well, looks like we have to stay in business at least until (insert date)." Meaning we need to stay in business so that we are around then to take care of the customer when that date arrives. There is little danger of that happening as the company does well, but we say it anyway.
If APDN has a 5 year contract with Montblanc that started in 2010 that has guarenteed sales every year, then I'll bet the folks at APDN are saying, "Well, looks like we need to stay in business at least until 2015." lol
I think I may have connected a couple of dots. My apologies to APDN and Montblanc if I have and they didn't want anyone to know. And never mind to everyone if the dots don't connect.
I originally found the articles about the Montblanc pens...
http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/personal-code-ink
Look at the bottom of the bottom article on this one below...
http://sklad.cumc.columbia.edu/nursing/acceptedApplicants/drupForum/?q=node/669
"To make handwriting even more pure personal and unique, Montblanc developed an ink for its most demanding customers that is linked to each individual, as matchless as a fingerprint: The Montblanc Personal Code Ink…comprised of components containing an invisible, inimitable botanical code which is similar to the human DNA code. It cannot be copied, viewed under a microscope or re-engineered and thus prevents falsification of signatures. Jean Marc Pontrue, Mont Blanc executive vice president for product strategies and development said at the 2010 launch in Dubai, “Only one person will own this ink – you,” said Pontrue, adding that the ink is “matchless” and as “individual” as a fingerprint."
And then I remembered them having a press release about a luxury brand agreement...
http://www.adnas.com/sites/default/files/apdn_intl_luxury_brand_jan_7_2010.pdf
In the Agreement, APDN has committed to supply the Company with proprietary DNA Authentication Marks exclusively for the brand-owner’s customers. APDN will receive a fee for each unique Authentication Mark purchased, with additional fees paid to APDN for authentications. In exchange for exclusive rights in the specified field, the brand-owner has agreed to minimum-volume purchases for each year of the Agreement. The initial term of the agreement is for five years. APDN’s DNA Authentication Marks will be used to mark unique luxury goods and link them to specific owners.
Sure looks like the dots connect, especially since I think Montblanc is headquartered in Europe, but, maybe not.
Even if APDN is not the vendor for Montblanc, (although I believe they are) with Inventionland being an APDN partner, a cheaper version for more commercial usage would not be inconceivable.
Imagine a doctor's signature being scanned at the pharmacy to ensure the prescription is not a forgery. Or I could definitely see lawyers or judges using something like that to prove they did (or did not) sign legal documents of all sorts.
Again, as we have seen with APDN's technology, the uses are limited only by the imagination.
Looks like APDN is planning on continuing to get the word out into early next year at least...
http://www.chase.uconn.edu/arochase-special-workshop-on-counterfeit-electronics.php
Wish I knew what Fred Schipp's recommendations are.
2:00-2:30pm Fred Schipp, Missile Defense Agency (MDA), Title: Recommendations for Counterfeit Parts Avoidance
This may be a repeat, but it was posted on the APDN website today.
http://more.componentsdirect.com/blog/?Tag=Applied%20DNA%20Sciences
They're blogging on a Sunday of all days...
http://www.adnas.com/company-blog/disappearing-stolen-cashwhat-banks-can-do-about-it
Thanks yip...you are right, and again you are right. It's a competitor, but no competition.
I found it wasn't APDN, so I removed the info. Doesn't look like the other company is public though...
Oops sorry..it was a competitor, not us.
Counterfeiting is so rampant, we can't even be sure we're getting the right condiment or not anymore.
http://gma.yahoo.com/fake-heinz-ketchup-bottles-explode-205638197--abc-news-topstories.html
Here's another one from today.
http://www.majorpennystocks.com/3-penny-stocks-showed-great-position-on-last-session/
It's definitely more fun watching the price go up for no apparent reason and trying to figure out why, then watching it go down for no apparent reason.
Hey all..don't forget to take your protein pills and put your helmets on!
I'm wondering if we're starting to see the results of the APDN word getting out there...
I'm sure by now, some companies have gotten on board with the mandate. I don't know all the ethics issues, but if I worked at one of those companies, I would be buying a decent chunk of APDN stock if I could. (or having my brother-in-law buy some for me, etc.)
And, we know APDN folks are getting out there and speaking at conferences, etc., some of which they haven't said anything about.
Could be that what's being said to the audience is more than what is being said to us. If I were speaking to potential customers, I would be doing some name dropping by letting people know who has signed up to use the technology already. (And might even be mentioning dollar amounts.) So audience members might be doing a little research and deciding they want to get on board this rocket ship before it takes off to the stars. IMO
Whatever the reason, the engines are on, and the countdown is commencing...
Yahoo! oops...sorry johnsyn...I mean Woohoo!
lol...good one.
The drive home tonight is going to remind me of my high school days and how great the bus ride home was after we won a game with everyone laughing and joking around. lol (Much better than the somber ride after a loss, that's for sure!)
Here's to us winning the Championship!
I know...I was just joshing...
Have a good night.
Can't wait to see if the morning has news or not.
Yahoo?
Hey cattracker...this is the APDN board...no mentioning other companies on here!