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The real test for Tivus is not for the managers; it's the presentation of actual revenue from the ad insertion. Let's face it, the other is nice, but the money is all important. Big $'s = big contracts. GLTA. R3
Well, Brian, you don't know what I did, but you sure like to draw a negative conclusion based on what you think, without any proof. That's your problem. I don't know what SP is doing is good or bad. Funny, he never asked me, and I don't have any power to change those decisions. I suspect he isn't going to ask you, either. So I am here like everyone else waiting for some outcome, and that outcome is a 50/50 guess (maybe worse). Maybe, just maybe, all this dilution is about a ceo who didn't have any other choices? Maybe he isn't so stupid. Maybe his most recent dilution of stock is about him getting the company ready to jump stock markets. Maybe. Maybe everything he is doing will turn out just fine. I don't know, but I prefer to give this man the benefit of the doubt, because I DON'T KNOW. His life is in this, and I dare say if this fails, he will be broke. That's strong motivation. So to Tivus and SP, I am willing to extend my trust to you. Remember, if you violate that trust, it isn't my fault for being trusting. It is your fault for not being trustworthy. For now, I trust you. R3
That makes sense. But Kaiser, I don't want to argue about what WE THINK SP is doing wrong! The truth is, all the DOUBT in the world won't correct the decisions he is making, and they may be JUST THE RIGHT DECISIONS. Neither you nor I can say. But just the constant hammering is like the guy who drives his car into a ditch, and you drive up, look down in the ditch, and say,"Wow! That was pretty stupid! Why did you drive that car into the ditch?" And then rather than saying or doing something that contributes to him getting out of the ditch, you just keep saying how stupid he is for doing, what you think, was really dumb. You never really find out about HOW he got into the ditch, but you sure think he is stupid for being in the ditch.
Frustration? Yes!!!!! But just shooting yourself over and over again and then saying, "I am hoping for a healthy outcome!" just doesn't make sense to me. Write SP, gripe to SP, tell him how dumb he is personally, go to Philly and confront him, but just continually telling us how dopey he is is an insult to our intellgence (these are pennies and we probably feel a lot like you in our more lucid moments) won't solve the problem. WHY DOESN'T HE RESPOND? Duh!! Who likes people trashing you and then steps up to offer conversation? Actually, it may cause someone to dump all their shares at a loss, and then if the patient returns to health, miss their opportunity. I think it is a bad reason to invest or not invest, but group psychology plays a big role in pennies. And Yes, it works the other way too, which is why I have repeatedly said, "Don't make your decisions on my word. Do you own DD!" which is what I would really like to see pushed on this board.
So you have every right to be here, and if you feel your sp is going to go up based upon your posts, more power to you. I believe negative just gets negative, but that's just me. GLTY. R3
So it's a scam!! What are you doing here? R3
The board is denigrating down to a "did not", "did too" silliness. Nothing of value being offered and we wait. So be it, but I miss the substantive posts from Waggett and Jwez.
It appears as though SP just gets himself dug deeper with the release of every OS. However, it is already so diluted, it makes little difference at this point.
GLTA and have a good day. I patiently wait and watch for something of value to be posted on the ihub Tivus board, but I am not optimistic. Just more goofy posts from the pumpers and dumpers. Not worthwhile. R3
Serge, I really am sorry you lost your shirt. And yet you still stick around to help save us from our poor decisions. GLTY in your future endeavors and may those decisions work out better than the decisions you made with Tivus. R3
I am following a trading pattern concerning MM's. One thing is for sure: they will make money. Their typical pattern is to buy up the market and then let the market run. There are programs that trigger these moves. No one can know for sure, but the pattern I have seen established over and over seems to be here, and just needs some news to see this run north. All of us know that our presence here is to make money, not fall in love with this or any other product. They are created to serve us, not us to serve them.
I regret that this stock is so oversold and diluted. I am just not sure that SP could have done what he has done without this toxic financing. If SP is trying to move Tivus up on exchanges, that also could figure into more shares being put out on the market. I do not believe that he is a crook, and believe that circumstances are moving this company with Host, not any devious criminal intent. With that belief, I will continue my support.
I hope everyone has a restful evening, and tomorrow begins day 1 of the Host manager's conference. Perhaps there will be some news over the next three days that help all of us clarify our questions. GLTA. R3
Jp, I think that at this point the value of a contract (with real $ numbers, not future "maybe's") is that it does one significant thing: puts all arguments about Tivu's tech and business to rest. If people cannot even confess that, there is no reason to move forward. The only other assumption is that Host is in collusion with Tivus to perpetrate a fraud upon the hospitality industry. Actually, I am wondering why all these folks who have been screaming fraud have not filed a complaint with the SEC against Host for being in collusion with Tivus at this point. After all, they have allowed this "charlatan" and his "fraud" of a system to enter into their hotel system. Interesting the SEC hasn't moved against Tivu and Host.
The stock valuation is always tied to future expectations and the EPS multiplier normally represent this. In small caps it is not unusual for those multipliers to be higher than the average market EPS because of the ability of a small cap to grow at a much faster pace and % increase than established corporations. A 20 - 30 multiplier wouldn't be crazy. If there is a large multiple unit contract at some point involving millions of $'s (as announced by Host, it will be incumbent upon Tivu to move up an exchange and either do a RS or buy back with some of the funds. With just a little capital, they can buy back large #'s of shares. But the easy way after a contract is a RS. Getting to penny's with all these factors is not that hard, and these steps should be expected in the event of $ contracts.
Now there has been quite a lot of talk about the Tivus system and other people having exactly what Tivus is attempting to sell. A simple solution is to provide a hotelier, telephone # and name for us to talk to so we can get the details of their contracts and $'s being paid for ad insertion revenue. Don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, but it will have to involve real people and real companies that can be contacted for questioning. GLTA. R3
Tivu has ad insertion technology tied up by contracts with all major leading advertisers. You should probably stop saying what you are saying unless you can come up with your own negative proof. R3
The volume is very low, and if the big sellers aren't selling, there should be upward pressure in the next day or two. The MM's are the people who control whether this goes up or down. Last week we saw the reality of this movement.
Shares are going to get us moved up to another exchange, IMHO. I think in re-listening to SP last week, Host will be a partnership. They looked at 26 providers of iptv and chose: TIVUS! Remember, they (Host) control this deal. SP was even afraid to mention their name last week on the radio broadcast. I think he is fearful of blowing the deal before they choose to release it. Remember what the interviewer alluded: One big deal and Tivus is on the way to controlling the market. Regardless of what has been dumped by others, Tivus has tech no one else has!!!!!! That is why Host chose them, and in the next few days we will know much more about our future!!
GLTA. R3
Yes. R3
I am headed to bed for sleep, but seeing the float drop while the OS increased (and this is just my very basic, and maybe quite wrong assessment) would indicate that there are fewer shares in the hands of shareholders, but more shares in the hands of officers, and other entities, possibly MM's. There could be some increased dilution, but also increased interest in owning parts of Tivus. It could also be the need of Tivus to get more revenue for moving up on the exchanges. I stand to be corrected.
Also, it does appear that Host looked at Roomlinx and did not take their tech. There were 26 companies they examined for their new services in hdtv, and I believe that Roomlinx was one turned down. One fact for sure: Tivus was selected. GLTA. R3
TA - Transfer Agent R3
Downtown Philadelphia, PA Marriott.
OS: 1.4 billion 3/15/12
Float: 800 mil.
TA apparently open for business.
R3
Bluewater2u, I believe you and I are reading off the same sheet of paper. Yes, I totally agree with your synopsis of events coming.
Remember they have a panel discussion in Philly on Thursday. I don't know if Shiva is on that panel, or if there will be an announcement Wednesday. For those who have sold today, I think you may have missed the mark. Keep tuned in because this sounds rather interesting, given all the negative slanting of news today.
GLTA. R3
That's right, bri. But here is what you miss. The MM's don't need to gag the TA! They already control the market from the earlier 1 billion shares or so that ended up in their pocket. You will have to do better to justify the TA gag. Now, if Tivus is dumping shares on the market, they need a reason why. I doubt if SP woke up last week and said, "I need to dilute the shares of my already diluted company!" So, Bri, there needs to be a reason. There may be a good reason to further dilute, and SP may be doing it, but what happened last week doesn't fit that scenario very well. GLTY. R3
IMHO, the TA is not freeing the OS because they are trying to keep up with hand orders on 186,000,000 shares traded. They may not know, but they are still handling trading of shares.
Think what happened today. These "negative" posters are bottom feeders that help drive the price down and create negative psychology that benefits them and their friends, the MM's. The MM's just made a fortune today. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LET OFF THE BRAKE AND ACCELERATE. Think again. WHY ARE THE NEGATIVE POSTERS WASTING TIME WITH TIVU UNLESS THEY ARE HERE TO MAKE MONEY. SAVIORS? JUST GOOD CITIZENS? No, they are here to scare you to death so they and their allies, the MM's, make a load of money when this goes up. They just manipulate the market with doubt, and if you sell, they just fleeced you. IMHO, this is not Tivus, or SP. It is the MM's and friends.
So wise up folks. They ran this up last week and saw the potential to make money. They will do it again. GLTA. R3
Oh deadboy (what a name!!!) this is perfectly normal. Only the losers call the SEC and they get literally thousands of calls a day from bad traders claiming fraud. We whine about "big government" and then load up the SEC and other government agencies with penny ante complaints and wonder why they aren't efficient!!!! Then, we cut their budgets to prove our point. Really???? MM's are setting up the market to make more money. Watch and learn.
About the TA, I am not knowledgeable about their actions, but if they are not paid, WOULD ANY STOCK BE TRADED THROUGH THEM? I don't know, just asking. GLTA. R3
Thanks, Noobis. A special thanks goes out to all the people doing panic selling. You are being set up by the MM's to make a run up, I suspect later today or beginning tomorrow. Market psychology is everything and if they can get you guys to let them load dirt cheap, it is ONLY in their interest to run the price north! Geez. When their accumulation is over, look for the run north. This isn't any longer about Thursday and news of a contract, it's about: 1. MM's keeping price low and buying every panicking seller. 2. Once they are done, letting the foot off the brake to allow for a nice steady climb with increased volume and new buyers anticipating this company may have something to announce. 3. IF NEWS is announced as this moves north, buckle up. Otherwise, it will be somewhat of a repeat from last week: Why? Because the MM's make a ton of money doing this; over and over. Manipulation? Of course, but what stock isn't? It's all part of the game and why they call these folks MARKET MAKERS!!!. GLTA. R3
Mark, you are way, way too personal in your analysis of this company. You started a good conversation about Roomlinx and Tivus, which showed not all of your statements were factual. So, instead of saying thank you to the guy who had more knowledge, you lash out again in another direction. This kind of thing only hurts your credibility. I wish you well, but encourage greater factual participation rather than emotional blather. This is business, not personal. GLTA. R3
I think a movement up is in the making, but I think it will wobble along in this area for a bit, before going north. Retracing the bottom and establishing the market psychology by the MM's is necessary before they take the foot off the brake. Let's see what happens! GLTY. R3
OK, Mark. You seem to have a handle on this technology. Explain to me what the tech differences are between Tivu and Roomlinx tech. Do they actually have an ad insertion tech, and how does it work? GLTY. R3
MARK, WAS THAT SO HARD???? This is what I have been asking for while you guys have just plastered the wall with crap.
This is great news! Your argument is that now that McDonald's has made the mass produced hamburger, there is no more room for competition. No Burger Kings, no Hardee's, no more fast food! Do you know how silly this makes people look who have been telling us that Tivus and their products are a myth??? This merely shows the depth of the market and new product development.
Now, keep digging, Mark, and give us some more useful information. This information affirms the cutting edge work done by Tivu and others. GLTY. R3
The general postings on this board this a.m. are just silly and completely childish. "Did not, did too!" Let's get back to facts and trading analysis. 1. Tivus says it's working on DT. I have no idea if it is or isn't. 2. Tivus has completed it's installation in the downtown Philly Marriott. 3. This system is up and running and ad insertion is bring in first ever revenue. 4. This system will allow hotelier's to avoid porn and gain a new revenue stream. 5. Managers of Host will be at Philly for their annual award ceremony, and they will by default see Tivus in action. 6. Host will have to make a decision sooner or later on Tivus and it's future with their company.
Last week very probably had everything to do with MM's creating the market, profiting from the run up, and then reloading at lower prices. I see no reason to assume that Tivus has any need of a large amount of revenue at this moment. Dumping millions of shares and creating additional dilution makes absolutely no business sense at this stage. They are waiting on "the contract" to continue on. Dilution does not help them at all.
Tivus will have to put up or shut up very soon. Their grace period is just about up without a contract with SPECIFICS. SP, no "kiss your sister" deals with no $'s attached. JMHO and GLTA. R3
Mark, it is time for you to put up the information that you say shows Tivus as being way behind competitors. Right now, you get no "*" for detail, but ample"?" for posting nothing of value. Let's get everyone details. Throwing mud against the wall shows us nothing. R3
You see, brokenarrow, this is what I am concerned about. The trading last week DOES NOT prove that Tivus was dumping shares on the market in mass dilution. The question would be in your scenario, "WHY??????" "What is the benefit to Tivus for dumping massive amounts of shares???" Who else would benefit from dumping shares other than Tivus, and then buying them back at lower levels???" The work in Philly is done and the need for cash at this time is nil. Please, answer with some rationality those questions. Thanks and GLTY. R3
It is too bad that so many people lose in penny stocks. But so many posts here lack credibility and substance. When facts are given, just innuendo comes back in return. My suggestion is that when people evaluate the substance of comments, you ask one basic question: "What about this comment is backed up by referenced facts directly concerning Tivus?" If it is largely the woes of bad investors, give it little weight. If something is truly of substance, let's give it a "*". Let's see how many of those are being posted. Perhaps we can rate the contributors with the same standard they seem to rate SP.
BTW, I can find no indication of the "company" dumping any shares last week. If someone can prove that, PROVE IT. Thank you and GLTA. R3
There are a lot of people who would love to be in your position. You should be fine. R3
Good question. I was learning, watching, and reading the action of the day. I moved funds into place Friday late to buy Monday, mainly because I feel that the MM's had taken profits over the last two days, and were beginning to load up again with buys at the end of Friday at market lows. IF that is the case, they are expecting another move up. Owning shares without an eventual rise in price does them no good.
Accumulation of shares is always a guess, and I can't know that for sure. I just get real suspicious when I see big buys involving more money than the average person is going to put into a penny stock. The market should continue some consolidation early next week, but I think sometime soon it will head north again. If it doesn't I lose money, but market makers lose a TON. They rarely do that so I am trying to follow their lead. Make sense?
GLTY and have a wonderful weekend. R3
When you move into toxic financing, you are always going to get to the pump and dump. But on the other hand, without that some products would never get to market. It is a part of what makes this wheel go round. GLTY. R3
Amen, JSteel! We all want to be treated in stock purchasing like we are doing business with a close friend. It is about as a-moral a business as one can be in. It is what makes it so frustrating and subjective. I am trying to understand it more and more, but my lack of advanced math skills just kills me. So I watch the charts and try to figure the next move.
The two guys I feel for right now are Jwez and Wag. They have been so patient and kind to everyone that we all should throw them a big party, win, lose, or draw. I also feel for SP. He is a hero when sp goes up and a goat when it goes down! Geez, he must get sick of this board.
Anyway, I am hanging tight and accumulating Monday. Hope for a nice low bottom because I am convinced it will not rest there too long. GLTY. R3
Jsteele, I don't do the "pay" thing so I only have 15 responses.
I would agree that this last "run up" was not the major up. I also think the MM's may have been surprised by the number of people who sold so fast and let the market drop south, but it is a classic MM move. Notice there were two huge buys of shares that amounted to about 35 mil late in the day and at the low end of the day. That would suggest to me that the MM's are loading up again at the lows for another run north. This week is loaded with rumor time, and if people think Tivus will get a contract, I would not be surprised if it started back north, maybe even Monday p.m. and this time with a higher top. What could propel it higher is a real $ contract, but I don't expect it. I just don't know. GLTY. R3
Well, Rudy, I'd be very interested in what you think I have said that is a classic "pump". All the facts I stated can be backed up by specifics, not "atta boy" statements. A pump has largely to do with hyping a stock by over blowing it's value in order to move traders to buy. I do not do that. The facts that I state are just that: historical facts. The fact remains that the Tivu market is pumped and controlled largely by market makers, MM. They hold huge numbers of shares and move them up and down like a yo-yo. Unfortunately, for a stock in Tivu's condition it is a necessary fact of the market. Without their backing, we would not be in Philly. What the average stock buyer has to do is separate the bs (being silly) from the facts of a company.
Tivu has solid tech and that has brought them into association with Marriott (Host): FACT. They have installed their tech in the downtown Philly Marriott: FACT. They have filled all their ad insertion technology orders into their system: FACT. Marriott, either by coincidence or planning, is having their annual Manager's award in the Philly Marriott: FACT. Tivus exploded their share count with MM's to pay for this installation, and this creates share dilution and a price fall: FACT. No other competitor has the ad insertion tech.: FACT. Yes, this price and the share dilution sucks. But apparently Host would not risk with Tivus to give them a market contract so Tivus could go to financial houses to borrow the money over this massive share dilution. It is what it is. If that's pumping, my friend, we are operating on another definition of "Pump".
Now you have to decide what play you want to make in this market. I take it from your words you are bailing. That's OK. But don't blame the company for your "buy/sell" decisions. This is a risky play and you knew it from the beginning. GLTY in the future. R3
I think that people who post opposing sentiments are good and healthy for the sp. Actually, it plays into the hands of the MM's who are driving the price down right now so they can buy more at cheaper prices and start the process all over again. What is so funny is that people who are negative play a role in driving the price down, and will be the first to buy once the shares get to some ridiculously high level. But so be it. I like profits while this stock is moving north. GLTA. R3
Tell me what MM's do Rudyboy? Next, tell me the history of when MM's came into play with Tivu and why? Next, tell me who owns the lion shares of Tivu? Then tell me who has the power to move the market up and down? Is the light bulb coming on, Rudyboy?!?! You probably don't want to play in the markets. You are living under the illusion that you as a shareholder have the power to move sp. You probably think that Shiva has the power to move the market. I am sorry you got in over your head. I truly hope you get your money back, but you are going to have to educate yourself on the market. GLTY. R3
Amber, read up on market makers. You just fail to understand how markets are made and how they rise and fall. Do yourself a favor and it will help you make money. R3
I am more than delighted to have a conversation, but you need to bring something to the table other than rumor and innuendo. Remember, bearing false witness is just as much a sin as any other. R3
I never stuck a beam in your eye, but here again, you can't seem to argue with the facts. Don't act the fool, newpontiac. It is unbecoming of you. Stick to the facts and do everyone a favor by posting those. GLTY. R3
Newpontiac, a rational discussion involves more than constantly offering non-verifiable information and accusations. Remember, before I entered the ministry, I was a fed. "Facts" are important to me and just throwing mud against a wall does not constitute facts.
Here are a few facts. 1. Tivus has a relationship with Host through the downtown Marriott Hotel in Philadelphia. Please see the ad on the posting of Marriott for the managers conference. 2. Tivus has installed a system in this hotel that is working and apparently is well liked by the management of the hotel. If not, the system would have been removed and the above relationship severed. 3. In order to do this project, SP took large amounts of MM's money through diluting stock sales. The MM's now control the market, not SP or any other person or company. Look at the L2 charts. 4. Tivus has sold advertising on their ad insertion technology and that is being played out now in the Marriott Hotel in Philly. That has been verified onsight by Waggett and Jwez, both shareholders of Tivus. 5. No other provider of this type service has ad-insertion technology which will provide income to the hotel over the long run. I am assuming the radio interview man the other night was honest and really impressed with this product, but that, of course, is not a fact. 6. While I do not know the state of current Tivus relationships with the Marriott's, you can go to Marriott Development to see that in the past they were in an active business relationship with Tivus.
Newpontiac, when you want a "rational" discussion with me, please bring facts to the table, not extrapolations. Your "Maybe's" and "I think's" will not lead us down the road to anything but mind numbing opinions. I've got enough of those; it's factual details that I want rehearsed and verified.
By the way, if SP is addressing this conference, it will be in a panel discussion, not a solo act, and the only time for that on their agenda is Thursday. GLTA. R3
Rudyboy, you are a genious: nothing comes until it comes! There is a time and season for everything. The units are in Marriott and working they are getting paid for their ads; only thing left is the contract. GLTA. R3