OT nelzoni as a 101010 type guy I must say I'm not used to a missing R having so much impact! LOL

You just made my day, thanks!

LOL again,

bowWAVE

Hi my name's Thunderous-Belch and I just bought 175,000,000 shares of WAVX. Do y'all think that was a good move?

Don't Wave Systems operate some kind of Tidal energy generation system in Reno? I figure when the big one hits Kali-forn-E-ahhhh I'm gonna be in fat city! Hey you guys and gals know if the Spragues have any interest in the Mustang Ranch? I'm thinkin' 'bout buyin that too, I hear Uncle Sam's offerin it cheap, somethin' 'bout just fix the plumbing and she's yours!

Well I gotta go now, gonna head down to Houston to see if I can buy Janet cheap after that fiasco Sunday.

Y'all take care.

Thunderous

OT Mig I know what you mean, now that my wheelbarrow is full I leave it to others to bring the price down after buying!

There isn't much volume but it seems to be holding it's own. I think a lot of people are eyeing IDF, it's sometime in Feb I think. I believe that the MMs can take this up or down .20 without even breaking a sweat, so while it's more interesting than just being a flat line to watch I don't let it bother me.

It's very exciting watching it go up more than 10% in a day but it just isn't worth watching too closely. There's been so much DD on this puppy that I'm convinced that holding it is the right thing to do. And yes I do think there are NDAs in effect that are preventing Wave from spilling the beans.

Kind of like asparagus really; you plant it and nurture it and get nothing for the first few years, but then you can just leave it alone and keep reaping the rewards for many years.

bowWAVE

OT YAYA you are no longer allowed to borrow barge's dowser stick, wear it as antlers and do that strange dance to ANY Iron Butterfly song!

bowWAVE

barge - I suggest you continue to flog Snackman as the price rises. LOL

bowWAVE

barge I'd be happy to edit your posts.

For one thing, how about a little ENTHUSIASM?

Here's Wave instead of losing it completely during the dot bomb fiasco adapting and aligning itself with the gorillas in what is surely more exciting and treachery laden than all of the Raiders of the Lost Ark films and do I hear one Ubiquity today?

bowWAVE

OT Yaya - ROFPIMP e/

yaya - Wave needs to be like Switzerland. Autonomous.

bowWAVE - the Male

Mig, perhaps we miss yaya's point - just his way of making the price go UP!

I doubt very much that yaya is anything but long.

bowWAVE

oops sorry yaya that request for an email request was from cpa to 2b.

Well this is tiresome, so I may take a break from the boards for a few weeks. Enter the bashers. Nice support today and I expect to hear about good things in the coming months.

Long and still patiently waiting.

Best to all,
bowWAVE

yaya - timing seems odd.

Private email from cpa and then this?

You know I appreciate the humor, just seems odd.

Carry on.

bowWAVE

Bravo kitesurf - not only for a very informative article which is indeed geared to the casual reader, but for pointing me to a CAD/CAM site.

Loved to play with Tonka trucks and gears and crains and things as a child - maybe in my next life I'll get to play with CAD/CAM.

Thanks,
bowWAVE

Oh for goodness sake Bluefang get serious - I raise this issue simply because I am suspicious of the "stealth" which surrounds this new product offered for sale.

It's the last 10 days before Christmas. How successfull have you been in selling your last generation product while hawking the new one which is a must have for security?

However the following snippet of yours is true Somehow, the logic seems cocked

Run Bluefang run!

bowWAVE

OT - The board did a good job of trying to support Bluefang last night.

Tough job, like trying to support two bowls worth of cooked spaghetti with one hand.

bowWAVE

OT Vhouse - no big deal, jus because someone says "The studio guys we talked to said: 'If you can do what you say you can do, that is the Holy Grail.'"

Grail Shmail LOL

BTW I think I forgot "Poached" sarcasm lol.

All the best to you, and let's continue with those "cooking" classes!

bowWAVE

barge - you mean Wave didn't just create something that could run different applets and give it away for $.50 to $1.50 a pop? You mean it isn't just an extension of CharityWave? LOL great post.

gokitesurf - re "rewriting" the TAN to be a TCG TAN being a difficult process - I disagree. Given the modular nature of the application and Wave's obvious years of experience with their own systems I don't think it would be that big of a task. I think the interfaces are probably discreet and easily identifiable with the real meat (encryption and timing) remaining the same. I believe that it must also be true that given the different systems it has demoed on and the governmen/military organizations which have required a very high degree of quality and assurance testing, no doubt to include extensive regression testing that Wave systems must have numerous grids of test criteria already in the can. Therefor I believe they are well prepared for the most demanding part of the rewrite/rework, which is the testing.

P.S. OTOTOT I hope that the capture of Saddam Hussein is true and that it will lead to calm in Iraq and the mideast. So glad to hear Nelzoni is home. Peace to all, especially at this time of year.

bowWAVE

Well Doma you might be right (and I don't mean that sarcastically)

There is indeed a gap in our knowledge of where the money is going to come from.

Is ssprague@wavesys.com the correct email address for SKS?

TIA,
bowWAVE

Oh Boy I get to post back and forth with Doma! (Sorry still in a sarcastic mood)

re: ..."Isn't the method in which the vault is manipulated and maintained IP of Waves?"

Yes, that is a question. I wish I could make it as a definitive statement as I would be even more comfortable increasing my WAVX holdings if I could. Assert/question - split hairs if you wish. I will believe that the method in which the vault is manipulated and maintained is IP of Waves until proven wrong. I don't have any inside information, just a gut feeling from the several hundred thousand posts and articles I've read.

re By the way, do you still believe that the TCG Software Stack addresses Open Interoperability? (g). which I see is what you really want me to comment on LOL that's similar to the old "do you still beat your wife" approach - how about this for muddying the waters - IMHO the TCG Software Stack addresses part of Open Interoperability. However without what goes on in the vault you can't even create a secure software stack.

I would very much like to see a PR pointing out "we're going to make a minimum of 30-X dollars per seat per year because our patent 123456789 covers the yada yada which everyone has to do and Intel and AMD and all of the Gorillas are with us" but I'm not holding my breath.

IF I found out that SKS and Company was betting the farm solely on the lead they have in software which achieves end-to-end security and interoperability I would be somewhat dissappointed but I would still not sell. I don't think the ultimate highs I anticipate in stock price would be achieved if that were the case but I think the price would still achieve many multiples of what it currently is and plateau for several years before declining if no further advantage were secured.

OT OT OT Vacationhouse - "to make Gingerbread houses with 24 little ones" - you DO know how to have fun!

I think they [posts] should be mixed with sarcasim, dredged in sarcasim, marinated in sarcasim, dunked in sarcasim, fried in sarcasim, roasted under sarcastic flames, basted in sarcasim, served with a side of sarcasim, garnished with sarcasim and placed on the table with a centerpiece of sarcasim!

Your good will and sunny disposition has always come through to this reader, it's unmistakeable.

And the best to you and yours for a wonderful holiday season. You're right it passes quickly, and it is wise to savor every moment.

Best regards,
bowWAVE

Doma hasn't Wave stated that they have earmarked @8 million dollars to write code to manage software stacks. If it's controlled by the TPM it doesn't have to execute in the TPM.

bowWAVE

barge - I'm with you on the neutrality bit, but I think that either there's critical IP or the gorillas don't anticipate Wave getting that much of the pie, otherwise the Gorillas would have started a shared "third party" company which would divide the revenues among themselves.

I'm convinced we're missing something here, Wave must have at least one key to the kingdom, otherwise it would be trading at about 10% of where it is now. I just can't believe that our friends at Wave would have gone to the expense and work over the last 10-12 years to develop something on the hope that an "informal" consensus among certain players that the platform "space" within the vault will need to remain "neutral" it's my belief that informal consensus means someone is going to get robbed

Since when isn't the following IP? you wrote: I believe the "common-point" has nothing to do with middleware; it has everything to do with the "space" within that vault. I think WAVE will "own" that space. And it is in that "space" where the final mile of Interoperability will take place between independent/autonomous Trust Domains.

Isn't the method in which the vault is manipulated and maintained IP of Waves?

bowWAVE

barge, Doma - for starters I thought 3 AM was lunch time in CAL-EE-FORN-EE-A so you shouldn't have been ready for bed!

As regards interoperability, I believe Wave is the only one tooting this horn (unfortunately it hasn't meant anything to most so far).

For as long as this Wavoid can remember it has been said regarding the EMBASSY enabled card reader that it was compatible with all formats. Now we're not talking about wavenabled card readers here but it is abundantly clear that wave's goal is an all-or-nothing type of thing. I think Doma understands the "secure but open" thing (which is not trivial) and I think Doma really does get it. BTW Doma thanks for all of the great DD you bring to the board.

It's my belief that most of this stems from the labels which have been put on the processes. A name has to be put on it to sell it, and stringing together the names doesn't necessarily make for good "mid-level" reading. I think that's what's missing here is mid-level 'splanations of what happens. We've all seen the very high level "keeps your stuff safe..." and in looking at PDFs we've seen the low level lists and usages of tens if not hundreds of JAVA classes that can come into play when interacting with the TPM.

As time goes by I think we'll see more of the mid-level, something between the shot of Tequilla and the six pack. Maybe a nice pint of stout on a snowy evening.

There are any number of gorillas which could have already swollowed Wave, there must be some Intellectual Property(IP) at the heart of it which keeps them at the center. Perhaps it's as simple as the one we ascribed to the WavExpress method of broadcasting something encrypted storing it for later use. Maybe the same thing applies to "broadcasting" it from the Secure Software Stack to an application in the CPU? Just a guess on my part but there has to be something.

My best to all,
bowWAVE

OT Weby and Snacks - got the PMs thank you. I don't have the "reach out of the monitor and hit you with a 2x4 option" installed so I'm a bit slow on the uptake!

Re: IP = intellectual property - I guess it takes one to know one and that's why I didn't get it.

Best regards,
Bowwave

go-kitesurf - much to digest, I will try to post thoughts later and am interested in thoughts by Awk and Wildman and barge - your posts certainly cause one to ponder the possibilities, and the reasons for timelines.

Still glad 8 Million is earmarked for software refinements/enhancements.

bowWAVE

Doma - somewhere I missed what the meaning of "IP" is in some postings.

For example in; "I believe Wave does have IP in this area, at least i was told by Wave they not only have IP but a working
product."

what does IP mean?

TIA,
bowWAVE

barge - re "How do you achieve Standards in Security, if there are a multiplicity of different security protocols?"

Oh, oh barge - I know, I know! Call on me! Call on me!

Oh I just know it has something to do with EMBASSY, I just know it LOL.

Secure, but open. Secure, but open? Secure, but open!

Hey I just did an oxyMORON. I knew there was a MORON around here somewhere.

You can tell people they're going to get wet when the water gets turned on but there will always be some that just have to stand right under the spigot.

Best regards,
bowWAVE

Hey Larry - where's the beef?

Ever pay a toll to drive your boat past 20 bridge supports when the deck isn't on yet?

Ever pay so your kids could jump up and down on a moon bounce that isn't yet inflated?

Ever pay for a steak dinner when the herd is just being rounded up to head for the stockyards? This is where the beef is now.

Why ask where the beef is anyway? You write "Again, I will stay interested as long as WAVX increases
it's REVENUE every qrt from here on out.
If not more then $80,000 this qrt, I will sell WAVX."

Then just sell any you may have now and wait for the revenue numbers to come out. I'm sure you'll have plenty of company. Simple.

Regards,
bowWAVE

Larry D - you write
"NO
WHY?
Because secuity wise it would be "safer" to have many different systems."

You "get it" but then again "you don't".

EMBedded
Application
Security
SYstem

Doesn't mean one security method at all. It's a secure PLATFORM upon which a user can use any number of security/encryption applets/approaches.

And given the fact that you can create a "secure software stack" and do just about anything you can imagine with it, it's secure, but indeed open.

And yes all you fence-sitters - that's cool.

Gee what a waste it must be to budget $8 million for (writing software stack management? routines) NOT! lol

Secure, but open. Secure, but open? Secure, but open!

bowWAVE

2b - aside from the picture of the wave on the site I don't see any connection to Wave. From what I see it's a software only PKI implementation. Did you see something else?

Thanks,
bowWAVE

Doma - Over? It isn't over til we say it's over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? LOL

bowWAVE

Weby is right, but barge is righter. Hey Bluefang how sad it is that because you wrote something for what - 4 newspapers - you somehow translate that into thinking there are many who actually want to read what you write!

Yes Blue, you can string together many words, many with multiple syllables. Bravo for you! Unfortunately you write as if you are chronicling like a Charles Kuralt lost in Wavoidland. We don't need a school marm thank you very much.

I know I don't write too well, and my spelling is lousy and my thoughts are sometimes disjointed and perhaps I'm a bit too optimistic and the list of my faults goes on and on. But among this crowd of mostly intelligent, well-meaning investors who frequently display great humanity I would never presume it to be my right to drone on and on, post after post, giving so much of myself to the poor mis-guided little wavoids.

Blue I can't decide which measures greater, your ego or your neediness.

I suggest you again find something where you get paid by the word, perhaps a weekly column by "Weakley metered Wave--er--oid".

bowWAVE

Great post toro - barge - if you were referring to me in your post you were far too generous in you estimation of my understanding, I'm just trying to follow the bouncing ball lol. I think it's the board collectively that is genius. Having said that here goes:

I think toro may have nailed a chapter title in Weby's upcoming book - "Wave designed 2100 as a demonstration project to show the big guns how Trusted computing would work" I think it still gets back to a firm understanding of the difference between vanilla and Embassy. I think I grasped it in an email I sent to SKS last May. I include it at the end of this post. Unfortunately I never received a reply.

Lately there has been a great deal of grousing by some that Wave has set aside 8 million dollars for software development. Something I think is a good idea by the way. Now what if that development has to do with memory management or put another way - Secure Software Stack management. In that light read my email from last May.

Hey - it could happen.

Best regards and Happy Thanksgiving to all,
bowWAVE



Hi Mr. Sprague,

I'm an investor and an avid reader of Snackmans Raging Bull message board.

I'm trying to understand the difference between what many on the RB board are calling "Vanilla" (what we hope is currently deploying in TPMs by the millions) and Embassy II. My understanding is that both have iron-clad security but that Embassy II has more space available in the chip and it's method of encryption is changeable or programmible remotely. It seems to me that if that's the case only the most secure applets would need Embassy II because of the changeable encryption. My thinking is that with the current TPM one could use the encryption to securely recieve and store an executable on a hard disk and securely execute it from there. It would be a bit slower than having executable code downloaded onto the chip but the functionality would be available.

I would appreciate any light you could shed on the differences between the two.

Thank you for your attention and best wishes for achieving ubiquity with Embassy trusted services.

Sincerely,

bowWAVE

CPA - I do believe you would pee on a Fourth of July barbecue.

baaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggge!
That's the fourth keyboard I've ruined thanks to you.
I'm going to have to lay off the coffee!

Weby is right, but barge is more right.

bowWAVE

dig space - there is no reason for you to be interested in this company.

Regards,
bowWAVE

Vacationhouse - good one - I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

I think I'll take your advice; put on my sweater and go for a nice walk.

bowWAVE

Bluefang - Do you really need to post a dozen times a day that:

you have a different opinion

differing opinions are a good thing

your opinion is as valid as mine

we should all be "nice" to each other

we should all listen to you, and to each other

we should share

SKS should hold your hand

"we are the world
we are the children..."

Tell you what - you promise to limit yourself to 1 (one) "Won't You Be My Neighbor" post per day and and I won't iggy you.

Deal?

bowWAVE

barge - Magdelina's Post

Posted by: Magdelina
In reply to: 2bStealthy who wrote msg# 20146 Date:11/22/2003 1:34:02 PM
Post #20148 of 20462

Thank you 2bstealthy.

Those who are bullish after returning from the shm yesterday are bullish based upon ubiquitous dreams driven by our CEO. Throw out those dreams and let's examine what we have and know today. Where's the clarity?

Think.

Someone I love is involved in this company. I want the best for all of us.

Magdelina - the way I see it Wave already has a suite of aplications, they're just building on it with feedback from the user community.

I for one would not want them to stand still waiting for the market to come to them. It will be too competitive.

I view it as a solid business move.

Regards,
bowWAVE

cpa - Gillette "gave away" razors. Made a fortune on the blades. Phone companies "give away" cell phones, make a fortune on the calling plans. Dope dealers "give away" samples of crack. Make a fortune off the addicts.

It is a tried and true business plan.

Do you really expect Intel to come out and say "we've shipped X number of TPMs in motherboards, and by the way don't believe the critics who think it's just a DRM move"?

SKS finally takes a more conservative stance re: deployment and revenues and you want to keep hammering on over-optimistic statements made in the past.

And by the way I think Wave is getting a token amount of revenue from the TPMs (or the firmware design therein).

Regards,
bowWAVE