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Badge, I think we all can agree that culprit is a gold price.
When Zacks was giving his first recommendation ($ 1.40-sh if I remember correctly) gold price was in the neighborhood of $1600. Zacks second evaluation came in below $1 (.98?) while our production (slowly but) was increasing.
With gold price below $1300 – it would not surprise me to see it in the low $.80
But worse then that, we all know that rotation into commodities, particularly into gold mines have not happen yet. Soo if gold mine sector was popular again and money were coming in – we would not have a problem to see SP going up and every one singing kumbaya, unfortunately situation is different.
We all know how hard it is for miners to get a loan these days. We are bombarded by analysts that price of gold is going to $1200, some other industry analyst are raising the issue with true cost of production which sometimes two or three hundred dollars higher then companies like to report.
All fundamentals of Petaquilla look good and MJK correct in that, but it is price of gold which makes situation sour.
We are fortunate to have PDI which as much as some posters do not like to give credit to, but Fifer deserves a big one in that area, this is our trump card.
But as MJK said and maybe we can all agree:
No matter what happen – we will all make money from this level.
Stop talking non-sense people and make progafa some kind of profit.
Fifer is not going anywhere.
JV is coming . And if I were Fifer and can make more money working PDI for FQ – why not. Reduce production of gold just pay DB and expenses and use money to build ramp in Spain , ship high concentrated ore – then resume production again.
Yes, PDI will provide pleanty of money, and maybe more.
JV makes more sense. $1 is not , but I would put everything in a basket including Spain ( which a lot of good info in a pipe) and take $2.
And what we suppose to do with Spain, no plant... I would rather welcome another scenario; how about selling PDI to FQ and use money to buy all equipment we need in Spain and here.
And if we assume that your premise is correct, what would FQ do with little gold plant?
Acanuck, some people never learn that Petaquilla is more then just another company , you have to be in Panama I guess to understand, specially for laughing $.60. maybe $ 3.00 and we think about it, but …
FQM is developing great relationship with us, a lot is going on.
If you look at the Minera site – you will see new pictures of roads , power stations , buildings all build with PDI help. Synergy .
I have no doubt they will obtain the equipment.
If they get sooo busy with FQ work that it will keep equipment working full time for FQ – that much of a contract as rumor is- then money will be easily available.
You are short sited and don’t see woods behind few trees! better cover your short position.
German investor,
Production numbers are not telling you complete story.
It is not like we run out of gold or could not mine anymore. Production basically was stop on purpose – equipment was diverted to work on Fist Quantum project.
Obviously management made this decision due to either great opportunity to make good money on aggregate and possibly on getting more this kind of work in a future which would greatly benefit PDI.
They are in a process of obtaining additional equipment so in a future PDI work will not effect gold production.
It will be win/win situation.
A little sacrifice during the low gold price will benefit Petaquilla and PDI in a long run.
We have good green day so two resident bashers are quiet. I wonder what happen to PMC/RZBF , may be she finally sold out.
I could never understand why would someone invest their hard earned money into company they don’t like, unless you short the stock.
"Something is cooking behind the lines"
Hello! Why do you think I posted the question asking: What would make you If you were running PTQ to divert your equipment and sacrifice your own production to work on FQ projects.
Few posters replied with very interesting answer.
But you miss it. Of cause it is something to do with FQ. And people with positive attitude use this opportunity to gain more shares. Their gain is your loss.
Bingo! ( The sky is falling, the sky is falling!) right.
Acanuck, what about crashers?
I wish I had the answer. But just me thinking… let put yourself in Fifer shoes… let say you are running this company…what would make you to abandon your own production and divert your equipment to serve FQ?!!!!
Think… think… I think we will know the answer soon.
No one is saying it was good quarter. Production results were bad.
But one should understand why, what cause it and what can be done about it.
I don’t care about your constant negative comments, there are a lot of positive in this report, you just have to read between the lines. I am buying.
Seems like when one is trying to engage into constructive discussion – all you do is trying to ridicule someone. Goodbye.
All right,. jokes aside.
Basically Company sacrifice last quarter to satisfy increased FQ requrements.
PDI looks great , my going forward concern is how they going managed machinery between two tasks.
They might need additional loan to purchase more if more work come available.
HL can only do so much , need rich ore from Spain = more mullah ($$$) to developed one.
We need $$$ in a big way .
Maybe, but with all that new work for PDI, can they use that new revenue to pay it off?
Goose and golden egg.
Although maintaining its plans for the future spin-out of Panamanian Development of Infrastructures, S.A. ("PDI"), the Company will assess all alternatives to best allocate its capital taking into account the short- to medium-term volatility of gold prices and the potential for the Company of PDI's new aggregates business with First Quantum Minerals ("FQM"). The spin-out of PDI can only be executed upon the repayment of all the outstanding Deutsche Bank debt and the Company is currently negotiating several financing alternatives toward this objective.The aggregates business - in particular, the initial deliveries during the last quarter of fiscal 2013 in execution of the aggregates contract between PDI and FQM, worth up to $100 million - made it possible to compensate for the decrease in gold production and significantly contributed to a cash cost of $540, below the average of the previous three quarters of fiscal 2013. For Fiscal 2014, the Company expects its cash cost to be within a range of $550 to $600. Revenue from aggregates represent for the Company a material recovery of its mining costs at Molejon mine, helping not only to compensate for the decrease in gold prices during the last quarter of fiscal 2013 but also after year-end. For Fiscal 2014, the Company expects a volume of 1.8 million m3 for its aggregates business, representing revenue of approximately $40 million. The acquisition of Inmet Mining Corporation by FQM has opened a very material opportunity for the Company, through PDI, to develop an alternative cash-flow stream by selling aggregates and other mining services to FQM.
The transition from a business model with one source of revenue to one with multiple sources of revenues has challenged the production at Molejon mine during the second half of fiscal 2013. Despite a significant ramp-up of throughput to the Mill Plant since the commissioning of the fourth ball mill and the other auxiliary equipments associated with the expansion of the production capacity (an increase of 30% in processed ore has been achieved during the last quarter of fiscal 2013, compared to previous quarters), the recent requirement of sharing mining and crushing equipment between gold and aggregates production, resulted in a decrease in gold production during the last quarter of fiscal 2013. These events contributed to the Company having some overdue deliveries to Deutsche Bank during the second half of fiscal 2013, which have been settled in cash. Management and Deutsche Bank have been jointly working on this matter in order to take all the required remediation actions.
Total ounces of gold stockpiled for future heap leaching production as of the end of fiscal 2013 was at 143k oz. As part of the Company's plans to increase gold production at its Molejon gold mine, these stockpiles of ore will be processed through on/off leach pad methodology combined with a commercial heap leaching stage expected to be commissioned during calendar year 2014.
I just downloaded Sedar and yes they wanted the loan when gold was higher, but Inmet take-over attempt distract that process.
Now - they are accelerating pay-off to DB in order to spin-off PDI, you are welcome.
How many times we have to say: No Loan needed with gold at $1300.
I think we already discussed that FQ is not in a business to mine gold, neither they want to make aggressive take over as Inmet did.
I look for healthy synergy between both companies.
If FQ needed to be more work done by PDI then that what PTQ board decided to do and allocate some machinery.
I am sorry but for some reason my home computer refused download sedar material so I am relying on your information for now.
Rodrigues, I agree with you. Let’s stop fighting and honestly discuss the situation.
What happened? Q4 numbers look bad but maybe there is something behind it.. I am going to take a guess: PTQ needed to satisfy huge increase in aggregate from FQ … that situation is temporary and can be rectify in near future, I hope. What if PDI take large role in PTQ due to FQ ‘s new requirements? Just thinking… today we will know much more.
The problem with him and alike – the negativity which they ooze keeps them from investing.
Before going on vacation last week - I picked up some more shares . The future looks great.
I enjoy Google Board which allows me to learn more about specifics , sorry you could not get in.
Still you don’t own this board so I will post my thoughts here when I feel like it. Thank you very much.
Why people join discussion board?
I think majority of people want to discuss their investment and help each other make money.
No one likes to listen constant hurpening and complaining, unconstructive criticism, baseless accusation. That helps no one.
And that is why Google board was formed, company has nothing to do with it, just people who really want to understand situation and make money.
Unfortunately after many years-this board lost its relevance to above subject. Actually , you should be glad that mjk still wants to engaged into some kind of meaningful discussion , I see no point . You always looking for something bad to happen. It never occurred to you that delay maybe caused by something good.
I will post occasionally for those who like to read only, but invitation to Google Board is open to everyone.
Don’t feel sorry for him. To him – you just a pumper, he does not value no one opinion, including respectable analysts and investors as Sprott who also invested in Petaqilla.
One might ask – why to be invested in a company which you do not like, which management you despise – the answer can be only one. You either shorted the stock or simply like to be in pain.
you better sell your 500 shares before .
It is not an opinion but the fact, that negotiations are happening one on one.
But on the other thought, don't read- just sell all your shares,
why bother with a small company in a jungle, sell , sell and buy B2gold, Newport or whatever.
No, both of you wrong as always. Denver’s deal done quietly and results will be seen a few months down the road.
Read and learn:
DENVER (MINEWEB) -
This year’s Denver Gold Forum did, in the event, see a small turn-down in attendance, according to Denver Gold Group Executive Director, Tim Wood. Wood told Mineweb that numbers declined from around 1,260 last year to around 1,050 this but this could yet be considered a strong result in the light of a 20% plus decline in the gold price since last year’s record attendance.
But what should be considered interesting to the followers of gold and gold stocks is that this encompassed a steeper fall in sell-side attendance – i.e. from the mining companies seeking investment themselves, partly countered by an upturn in buy-side attendees – funds, banks, private equity etc. which suggests the investment community is now beginning to look seriously at picking up ‘bargains’ at the decimated stock price levels seen across the board in the gold mining sector.And the Denver Gold Forum is perhaps the ideal event for this kind of bottom fishing activity. The key for the potential investor is to look for companies which can survive if the worst for the industry occurs and the gold price slips further – or bumps along the bottom for some time ahead.
This is because the Gold Forum organisers themselves only allow the crème de la crème of the industry to participate and present their case to the assembled audience. While the Gold Forum has relaxed its criteria over the years to allow participation by the junior sector, it still applies a cutoff to the companies it does invite and these are thus in their entirety those which will have the best chance of survival in an extended gold price downturn. In short the Gold Forum has already done some initial filtering thus almost providing a short list (albeit a fairly long one) of the better gold mining prospects for investment out there.
This is not to say all those junior companies participating are certain survivors of an extended downturn, nor that those who do not meet the Gold Forum’s criteria are doomed – far from it, but it does provide some kind of cutoff. Indeed the Gold Forum publishes its criteria on its website under www.denvergold.org/membership for those readers who may be interested in seeing what parameters are applied.
It also only allows audience entrance to the forum for invitees, which again restricts entry to those who meet attendance criteria and are deemed to be people who the Gold Forum member companies may be interested in talking to – mainly buy-side representatives from the aforementioned funds, banks and serious private equity. This is a win-win for all sides. Companies attending are looking for serious investment and are not besieged with hundreds of people who they may consider timewasters. There are no exhibit booths to maintain. This is all about networking and one-to-one meetings and the organisers go to great pains to facilitate this.
And this time, according to Wood, the one-to-one meetings have been at an unprecedented level – 61% up on last year per individual - and that is the only for the meetings they can quantify through those set up through the organiser’s official channels and doesn’t take into account ad hoc meetings of which there will also have been plenty. These meetings are not only between gold companies and potential sources of finance, but also inter-company ones. Wood thinks that there will be considerable M&A activity in the sector over the next few months, and many of the meetings in Denver will have set the ball rolling on this.
Indeed, in talking to the CEOs and senior executives of a number of mining and exploration companies attending the event, all, without exception, felt this year’s Gold Forum had indeed been extremely valuable for them and well worth attending.
While nowadays small and mid tier miners, developers and explorers perhaps dominate in numbers the Gold Forum also attracts the gold mining majors and there were presentations from the CEOs of Barrick, Newmont, Goldcorp, AngloGold, Newcrest, Kinross, Yamana, Agnico Eagle, Gold Fields, Sibanye, Harmony, Randgold, Polyus Gold etc as well as from many of the bigger mid-tier players adding substantial weight to the event. It is indeed one of the premier gold mining events of the year, a position it has held since its inception, although it is much larger now than initially when selection criteria for both presenters and audience were even higher.
There were some interesting themes running through the meeting. For the majors they were virtually all implementing capital and operations cost controls, cutting out tiers of management, divesting currently unprofitable mines, better managing grades etc. in an attempt to allay the problems which had built up through perhaps profligate expenditures when their major shareholding institutions were pushing them for growth at almost any cost. Now the focus is on profits, even if this may even, in some cases, mean reducing overall gold output at least in the short term.
For the mid tier and junior gold producers and developers it was all about de-risking, replanning and optimisation of existing assets while for the explorers it was very much about controlling expenditures, cutting burn rates and positioning themselves for the years ahead.
Overall the next few years should see a meaner and more efficient industry emerging , and perhaps a smaller one in terms of numbers of companies through attrition and M&A. There’s nothing like a serious downturn for focussing the mind – and perhaps this is thus an excellent time for buy-side predators to make their moves.
Sorry people need to sell.
Just repeat after me:
Management is not going anywhere.
Petaquilla is not for sale.
PDI may or may not get spin-off.
Gold and PTQ will go up years from now.
In mean time anything is possible.
I am happy and I am buying.
You must be joking, I just added thousands of shares to my position, but the rest of you – need to sell ASAP.
Please make yourself a favor sell all your shares and stop being miserable. Sell ,sell!!!
Why talk them out, let all doubters sell now, bad news, right – so sell and go away.
Who has to be "greased" now? Still have e-mail problem.
Vielen Dank für diese wertvollen Informationen.
Interesting, is that a sign of time?
"Denver Gold Forum, 22-25 September 2013
Attendance may be limited due to unusual demand
Please note that we are approaching maximum capacity for the Denver Gold Forum 2013. The hotel is presently sold out, and we are unable to guarantee participation after 1 September 2013."
I suspect we are in for a wonderfull Fall,” John Embry, Sprott Asset Management's chief investment strategist, told Mineweb’s Gold Weekly Podcast, primarily because the yellow metal is currently very under-priced and the Indian market has been taking note.
“At this point I am probably as bullish as I’ve been in living memory actually,” Embry said, “adding “I thought this summer might be a little slow because it’s a quiet market and you can play around in the paper market, but I think that’s going to change quite significantly in the fall and I would not be surprised if, by early next year, we weren’t challenging all-time high.”
While recent activity in India is clearly indicative of continued high demand, the govenrment is intent on trying to curb imports. Asked his view of the recent interventions made by the Indian government, Embry explains that, India is under the hedgemony of the US, which is currently very anti-gold. But, he adds, he doesn’t think the measures being adopted will work because “Indians almost have gold in their DNA and when you try and stop them from getting it…I am told the smuggling has been extreme.”
The second main pillar of increased prices for the yellow metal is rooted in China, which Embry believes is ultimately intent on backing its currency with gold.
“I think they're [China] accumulating a lot more than is being admitted, and at some point they may spring that on the world.”
While China and India are likely to continue to account for a significant portion of physical demand for the metal, Embry was also at pains to point out the growing divergence of the phyical and paper markets...
“I think that physical will separate itself from the paper market. The problem with the paper market is there's no gold and they basically have all these claims or people think that they have claims on gold, but the fact is the gold isn’t there, it’s been hypothecated and re-hypothecated. It’s basically... what you want today is real physical gold or a paper product where its audited and you know 100% that the gold it allegedly holds, is there.”
And, for Embry, the need to hold gold in phyiscal form is becoming increasingly urgent as the world’s debt continues to grow.
“The fact is that the world has infinitely too much debt…and once you reach this stage the economy needs more and more debt creation to grow at all and they can’t do it because they can’t support the existing debt.”
For Embry there are only two ways out of this situation, either a hard deflation, as was the case in the 1930s – something for which, he says, no one has an appetite. Or, a continuation of the unlimited quantitative easing currently underway. But, he says, eventually “this thing destroys the currencies and that leads to some form of hyperinflation, which I am absolutely opposed to because I think that’s the most corrosive thing that can happen to a society.”
Both of these scenarios also see gold playing an increasingly important role.
As Embry explains “For centuries gold has been money. We sometimes go through periods where we forget that when paper is doing well and we’re making money on our paper assets. But we’re going back now because paper is so risky and the bond markets around the world... they're preposterous. Why anybody would own this garbage is beyond my comprehension. Then the fact is that gold will reassert itself as money.”
I agree. We have smart boys up there;
32 million warrants by January 2014, are you kidding me?!!
They know exactly what they are doing.