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Vanguard has picked up a variety of cannabis stocks. Just looking at the most recent holdings of the Developed Markets Index Fund as of Sept. 30 shows the following:
Roughly 4.28 million shares of Aurora Cannabis (NYSE: ACB), with a reported value of $41 million at the time.
About 1.14 million shares of Aphria (NYSE: APHA), worth almost $16 million.
The fund's shares of Vanguard's total Canopy Growth holdings amounted to almost 1 million shares, worth $48 million at the time.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unlikely-buyer-grabbing-cannabis-stocks-113200360.html
And by the way. I have not trashed anybody for holding WDDD.
I may disagree with how some people are playing this, but I don't trash people for that. You seem to be one of the few people who go out of their way to trash people. So keep up the good work.
2 months tomorrow and still no schedule moving forward.
2 months since CAFC decision and still hasn't seen any big gains
that could happen any day they say..any day now.
We shall see how long it takes and will check back once a schedule appears
for the case moving through the PTAB.
Again it will not be through the PTAB before the end of 2018.
March of 2019 and beyond.
Good luck to those holding through then.
Hope the could shoot up any day now works out for all of you
Odds are we will see what the schedule is moving forward
as i would think the teleconference has already happened.
That was the next step and that should tell us when/if briefs are filed
if new evidence will be introduced, and if there will be no orals.
That should be this week coming up or the next.
Spin, that seems to be what you specialize lately.
Been here since premarkman. So 6 years or more
and the vast majority of my posts are very positive
or sharing of research.
But I do appreciate your continued misguided
attempts to spin information to fit your narrative,
Yeah it sounds like it will be more the traditional way. Which is fine, and hope we do get some guidance on it next week, that would be great.
I have an email and 2 voicemail messages to them out as we speak will update when I hear back.
But with the back and forth I want to be sure as I my main focus is on AGEx shares.
I don't post as often anymore as I don't own any now.
I also posted that in direct response to the captain spin is worried
about the volume. I have been around since before marksman, so yeah as long as just about everyone but a few.
My frequent posting didn't use to be an issue when I was all green all go all the time.
I have also posted all kinds of info along the way, stats, links, Judge info, and all kinds of useful info along the way. As I have shared massive amounts of DD and when it backs up what people want to hear it is welcomed.
I totally understand and appreciate where you are coming from
and look at my recent amount of posts over the last 2 months a lot of it is arguing or defending my own position or answering questions asked of me.
My best course of action is to just put the captain spin commentator on ignore as he does tend to bait me, and I end up biting.
And yes I post a lot just about WDDD because I had a lot of money tied up in this, A LOT, and plan on having a lot more back in it after it gets out of PTAB.
No concern at all.
Just find it amusing that so many people here say it is undervalued.
That any day anytime it could shoot way up.
I would think that it is odd trading does not reflect
all this positive sentiment.
Simply put if the people saying these things
actually believed them they would be buying every chance they get.
I think it is a winner long term and have stated as much.
Just not right now, that is why I am not buying.
What about you?
Why aren't you buying every chance you get, why isn't everyone?
When I see a no brainer, I tend to get over allocated and keep adding
when I am as confident as some people here seem to be.
My actions actually reflect my words.
The 7th will be 2 months from decision of CAFC.
I hope we have some sort of schedule before then.
We shall see.
I see today had people scrambling all over each other to buy shares.
I would suggest you ask Colorado, Oregon, California, Nevada and other states where it is fully legal now and doing serious sales.
Take a look its a big deal.
You can grow tomatoes, bell peppers and tons of other vegetables yet few people as compared to population have vegetable gardens.
You can grow tobacco, brew your own beer or wine, yet people buy these products.
You can make your own cauliflower crust for pizza cheap or you can go buy pre-made, bread is easy to make how many people you know make their own bread?
The point is people pay for convenience. People pay for quality control.
DO you think cola's where such a big deal before Coca Cola and Pepsi made it such a big market?
Gatorade, was there a huge sports drink market before that?
ACB has its footholds in some of the major markets around the world already. Canada being the 1st major country to legalize cannabis.
CGC, APHQF, ACB and other major players are investing in plant genetics, sciences, technology advancements in growing, and being the first country to legalize allows these companies to do so much more, build out economies of scale, and then take that knowledge and expertise along with their growing revenues and war chests and expand in to other markets as they open up with a significant advantage.
It is not a revolutionary thing, but it is a brand new market.
A whole new world of opportunity and growth. More science and technology advancements are happening right now and over the next few years in the cannabis industry simply because they can now in the US, Canada, and everywhere else where medical cannabis is on the books.
Full recreational cannabis will only lead to more of the same.
ACB just happens to be the best positioned to take advantage of that with a complete vertical and horizontal integration across all aspects of this soon to be global industry. IMHO
Has anyone been able to get a hold of INvestor Relations recently for the company?
I am guessing they changed it. Last PR before this and also in earnings call and I confirmed with investor relations the ones who owned on distribution date were suppose to get the spinoff shares.
Now I am guessing it is more traditional where the person on record of date
gets the shares regardless if they own on distribution date.
Anybody know anything more on this? So wonky with July as original record date, then it changed to the sometime in September, now this.
Really depends on what that news was and how much volume, and when that actually happened.
BUT yes, if the right news, I would be buying in at that price.
Right now my biggest concern is twofold.
1. PTAB- its sketchy at best of times and never really know what they
will do. I bought last time and really loaded up once we got out of PTAB
and will do that again as CAFC Judges, I really like them as far as how they will operate, especially if the PTAB does does some sketchy crap. A second trip to CAFC and its a slam dunk in my opinion. I don'tthink the current evidence will change anything at PTAB even with CAFC guidance, so new evidence, and really strong evidence would get me in BEFORE a PTAB decision. AT this point even if the price drops low enough intomy target range, I would not be buying till after PTAB hands down a decision.
2. As you all well know. Time. When does that happen, what is the next event or catalyst after that. I am rather committed now to a couple of other plays which should pan out within 6 months for heavy gains. I made other moves based on my timeline here as I am pretty confident on it.
I have left a few outs, as the big selloff/correction this week opened up a few things that gives me more flexibility now.
Thought end of the day yesterday was the panic selling before the bounce. Bought some stuff this morning, and they rose quickly, think that will continue tomorrow.
Its been holding really well.
Good news makes it pop hard,
bad news does not exactly make it drop hard
depends on the news, and we shouldn't see any bad news
for quite some time.
Even if somebody needs out and sells at market,
comes back fast those cheap shares get scooped up,
scooped up at a steep discount, but scooped up none the less.
Lots of people want shares still, just not above .29
no hurry, no pressure to buy, so we stay range bound
Sooner or later we will get big news.
New evidence, and if we get to see that evidence
that is the next big news I anticipate.
That might not even happen, but it SHOULD.
We will see.
Either way at least WDDD isn't getting hammered
like the rest of the market right now..
Its a sea of red this week just about everywhere else.
I freed up some money for the giant fire sale
after the bloodbath subsides.
Going bargain shopping soon enough
while the wait here continues on.
Make some money and buy back in for less than
what I sold most of my shares at...hopefully.
I like my odds though.
It is fat at .22/.29
.22 Somebody wanting cheap shares giving you a floor if want to get out and buyer gets a large block cheap.
.29 Somebody willing to sell shares give you a ceiling cost if you are looking to buy a bigger block.
That spread is where we live right now till news comes or people
want in or out badly enough.
That is how I see it.
It won't be re-visited in Casper's court.
It would be after the ATVI suit
If I am not mistaken WDDD did not want to re-file the case
which would have been needed because of the error 'by USPTO
SO for this case it would only be for past damages.
Any new cases they start would have the corrected version.
Something very similar to that, again that was a few years ago
so it is a little fuzzy, but that is the general gist I think
No worries.
I know you would want to have easy access to read through
decisions. Found that was the easiest place to do just that.
Nobody seems to know what 6 items WDDD was wanting for discovery during
the first trip to PTAB.
Nobody with a pacer account seems to even want to go look at
the 2 cases I referenced on remand and vacate to see what their actual schedules looked like, if they did briefs, new evidence, or anything else.
I don't have a pacer account unfortunately, nor do I plan on getting one.
I get that most don't care....which to me...seems crazy..
but what do I know..
Keep in mind Canada pot sales will also be getting a boost from US residents going over. I know lots of people who don't smoke pot, but would if it was legal. Go read some of the stuff on what is going on, i saw some people flew in from France to be there. It is more than just legal weed,
it is a part of history, people are there buying weed who say they aren't even going to smoke it. This is monumental, this is the beginning of the end on the war on drugs. The first G7 nation to legalize Cannabis nationwide.
Revenues sales 1st quarter are going to be fantastic, already on NYSE with crazy good results moves this up even more.
Everyone talks about the high shares, but the real long term investors love that as it helps control volatility. They can accumulate more shares with less effect. Long term investors lock up shares, they don't trade them to flip.
I am more than a little excited to see the next few years here.
I do trade just not this at the moment.
ACBFF up lists to NYSE on the 23rd.
APHQF- Just filed to uplsit to the NYSE
So beginning of Nov more than likely
and both 1st quarter earnings will be way way nice
with Canada legalize day just happening and will both be
on NYSE which will give them added oomph on positive earnings
they have wild swings, and going up..both are in talks with billion dollar companies as well one with Coca Cola the other with Altria
and both companies will pull a big partner deal once up list.
I trade there..
I wait here....and will move money back here once new evidence is presented
or PTAB rulings.
In my estimation..I got plenty of time to get back in here before
and major moves up. 10x - 30x times your money isn't happening
before a settlement or district court win.
I appreciate the honest words.
No matter what I say nobody that doesn't already believe me
will.
SO we good...or at least I am...
This is a good place to go look through what he has done
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/ptab/caselist?judges.author=Ken+B.+Barrett
And for those who don't want to read...go here
Analytics- stats on what he has done---not exactly glowing-
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/ptab/analytics/case-level/by-status-and-phase?judges.author=Ken+B.+Barrett
For Chung-
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/ptab/caselist?judges.author=Jason+J.+Chung
For Easthom
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/ptab/caselist?judges.author=Karl+D.+Easthom
Nobody knows/remembers what those 6 items requested by WDDD
was for discovery in the first go around at the PTAB?
1 more time
I am not buying nor do I plan on buying before new evidence is submitted or PTAB decision.
SO you can you think I am out for #1.
Or I am out trying to get people to sell.
I am not.
I am 100% okay with the extra month.
Gives me more time.
All of that was more my own misguided attempts to say ...
those who think it will be quick easy run through the PTAB
and think my timeline is way off, here is 1 more thing that adds time.
Anyways...will shut up for a bit unless you ask for info...
wait on something from PTAB on a schedule as that is what is next
since none of us will be in on that teleconference.
That s unless 1 of us is...you all know who I am talking about
MIGHT be involved in that call.
lol.
Yup...which is why no matter what the PTAB does I see this
a big win at the CAFC if it returns or is appealed by Bungie.
Data seemed to think by one of his old messages they won't allow new evidence and if they do it will be minimal at best some papers and filings
easy peasy.
I do not...
My bad...yeah I was/am annoyed mainly though nothing to do with WDDD but
nobody caught the fact we were actually waiting on a mandate, not the decision which we already had.
The who is in or buying more line, wasn't meant anything other
I know some people on the board are still buying, a lot still own shares and some have sold out. Nothing really, mainly the first thing above just
rubbed me the wrong way. Either it was missed, which is honest mimstake
and I am okay with that, or it was known but not shared due to the extension of time and might look bad.
100% feel it was just overlooked and not the second option.
Still annoyed me though. I am actually really good with another month
as that gives me more time to move back in here if things go how I envision them.
Always appreciate you...good looking out!
;)
From your link I read this again-
We all know ATVI is the real party of interest.
I think the devpub agreement/contract is enough
as do just about everyone else.
It is just a matter of does the PTAB think so.
I think the Judges at the CAFC think so, in oral arguments
they practically said as much when they mentioned privy vs control
on more than one occasion. I said at that time they wanted to time bar
Bungie, but didn't think they would due to lack of disovery and not following procedure. They want to allow the PTAB to come to the right conclusion. They have offered guidance that SHOULD help them come to the right conclusion. Their guidance if followed should get Bungie time barred...
But it is the PTAB, and wWDDD is an NPE in their eyes, and the PTAB
has not been very friendly at all to NPE's. Things are changing,
at the PTAB. SO nobody really knows. I am just not confident enough
without new evidence to put any real money on the line hoping the PTAB
acts right. New evidence might change that position, we shall see.
I wish everyone luck who is still in, holding, or even buying more.
I play odds, probabilities, and catalysts in my spec plays and right now
I simply don't like my math here.
SO I watch..wait, and will reenter when the math swings back the direction I like, I lack any faith in the PTAB so I might simply be biased.
No idea...I am no legal mind.
I honestly think it will be a non issue as estoppel applies
if it has been fully litigated, there was no discovery allowed
therefore it was NOT fully litigated.
SO my focus is on the RPI issue all by itself.
If WDDD does not win the RPI issue, then In
my opinion PTAB rules the same on the claims taken away
and we head back to CAFC appealing RPI a second time
and the exact claims a second time.
And I think 2nd time will be a win at CAFC
with existing Judge Panel.
All of that is predicated though on what we have as existing information now. New evidence could change all of that. But at this time
there is no new evidence.
100% agree.
Mandate vs decision.
Nobody differentiated the 2.
I would think maybe one of the people with law
backgrounds would have brought it up,
but alas,they did not.
The only reason it stood out to me was after Data's post
and the text of the document said mandate issued.
SO I went and looked it up, and once you do that
the language in the guidelines really stands out.
Water under the bridge, now we wait for teleconference
which should give us a schedule moving forward.
There will be briefs filed I imagine.
WHich will need a schedule all by itself.
We will find out if new evidence will be permitted
as it should, and there will be a schedule for that.
Find out if new orals, this I highly doubt but is possible.
All of the other options as well.
BUt don't listen to me I am just spinning the facts
to meet the 6th month decision I predict, and more than likely longer than 6 month.
I posted 2 cases currently going through a remand and vacate or a vacate and remand, and they are both over 6 months with no decision.
As it it allowed to go beyond that 6 month window in certain circumstances.
Again..just Captain Spin over here they say....
100% feel you on that.
Whats even worse
I already posted the exact info of what is next, teleconference, what happens during teleconference, and timeline on teleconference
in an exact quote. Even highlighted 2 items in red that clearly spell out when that should happen.
I never claim to be of a legal background or even involved in the legal field. There are some here that are, and some here who seem to have intimate knowledge of the actual case by many accounts, yet none of the legal experts, IP experts, or other experts seemed to mention we were even waiting on the mandate. That the decision, was not the mandate.
I excel at research, information gathering, and timeline.
I also post a lot, even become repetitive as that is just how my brain works and I hope when I am wrong somebody corrects me.
Seems like noone wanted to bring it up or just didn't know.
Much like the actual CAFC case, before the oral arguments
nobody was even talking about or discussing REMAND as an option.
It wasn't brought up till oral arguments essentially even though was in briefs.
Either way I am sticking to my guns here and being a month is already gone, and could be another month just to get teleconference done
there is ZERO % chance this gets a PTAB decision before end of the year.
And I rarely give anything a ZERO % chamce.
Again there is no way Bungie doesn't file a brief.
There is no new evidence due, we don't even know if
PTAB will even allow new evidence.
They usually do not on remands, but they SHOULD
,stress should, due to lack of discovery.
There will be no settlement and BUngie will simply not
drop the case essentially and let a Vacate stand,
before they even know if new evidence would be allowed.
There could very well be settlement talks going on
I doubt it, but its possible.
The PTAB has already ruled once the contract is no smoking gun,
no new evidence means that is the best thing WDDD has for a RPI
ruling. So till Bungie is forced to submit new evidence,
they have no incentive to settle. Even then, it still might not
be any incentive to settle if there is nothing documented
about the ATVI/Bungie relationship in regards to this case
and I can't imagine there is anything documented as that would just be
stupid. Very stupid...
Which has been posted numerous times by many people.
I guess its just when you post it that is the source of the best info
on what is possible or probable.
think we all thought that.
like you learning.
but done enough research though to know where to find the info
now that we know the difference.
all the little nuances and legal language make the stuff a bit convoluted
and confusing.
hell, i could be 100% wrong, but the language all matches up now
Depends.
Docket Text:
Mandate issued to the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Service as of this date by the Clerk of Court. [557670] [17-1481, 17-1546, 17-1583] [PBC]
That was the info on Data's post.
Jurisdiction of PTAB starts at mandate.
The time we been waiting was to allow either party to petition for a rehearing or a stay of mandate.
That is simply crazy...
All we had was a decision.
Takes 37 days to get a mandate?
I understand they need time to petition, ask for a saty what not,
but really???
Now we have a mandate it appears, and now PTAB has jurisdiction.
So let the process begin
Can't believe I didn't actually go read this before...
would have realized it didn't actually get to PTAB jurisdiction before that mandate, and would have seen the Panel rehearing petition option.
I do like learning new stuff and WDDD certainly has a habit of doing that. Man you have to love the speed of our court systems, swift justice it is not. So that 6 months starts now....effing brilliant if that is correct, no expert, just a guy who reads a lot and does plenty of research. Let the lawyer people correct me if I am wrong..
hope so..
http://www.crfb.org/sites/default/files/FederalCircuitRulesMarch2016.pdf
Rule 41. Issuance of Mandate
An order dismissing a case on consent or for failure to prosecute, or dismissing,
remanding, or transferring a case on motion, will constitute the mandate. The date
of the certified order is the date of the mandate. In an appeal dismissed or
transferred by the court sua sponte in an opinion, the mandate will issue in regular
course.
P
My understanding is..it is simply the mandate from the CAFC is official.
Noone asked for a rehearing or a stay of the mandate...so now the teleconferencing and all of hat takes place...
Someone correct if I am wrong..
This is from pre Guidelines but explains it pretty well.
The process is NOT fast. And with them not following the proper procedure and process the first time around, you better believe they will the second tome around.
The biggest issue withthatarticle is ACBFF is not a purely recreational weed play.
That article fails to talk about medical in Canada, Medical globally, Hemp, CBD, the sciences, and all of the other areas ACBFF is positioning themselves to invoved with
Just a few other recent posts about the case,
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/federal-circuit-clarifies-burden-of-68115/
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ptab-strategies-and-insights-september-99697/
Not sure anyone ever posted this..first I have saw of it..The other links are just very similar or just the exact same info, just didn't rrealzie how many spots had this info out there. Nothing world breaking or paradigm shifting, but inresting none the less, more than I actually shared in links available.
https://www.knobbe.com/news/2018/09/worlds-inc-v-bungie-inc
and a few more I never read or don't remember reading
https://www.fr.com/fcs/worlds-v-bungie/
DOn't have a law360 account anybody who does or never been can you copy and paste here? https://www.law360.com/articles/1080685/fed-circ-says-game-co-s-aia-reviews-might-be-time-barred
https://lifescienceip.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/worlds-inc-v-bungie-inc/
Finnegans has all the cases in 1 page- https://www.finnegan.com/en/tools/worlds-inc.-v.-bungie-inc..html
https://www.schwabe.com/newsroom-publications-worlds-inc-v-bungie-inc-appeal-nos-2017-1481-1546-1583-fed-cir-dept-7-2018