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Is this the prelude to a full merger. Updv announced that UPDV, HTOG and continental... will now have 1 CEO and eliminate some management and accounting personal. With talk of delisting htog on this board, 1 + 1 = 2. Look for either a full merger or a buy out of htog by updv. Either way we will get the shaft.
I went to Conoco Home page, I didn't see any mention of this, maybe you saw it elsewhere. Can you please give us more detail on this.
On UPDV page: KOKO2323 stated that Conoco is buying stock in UPDV. Does anyone else know anything about this (Since UPDV owns well over 50% of HTOG)?
Let me have Bruces number again. I tried calling, but I think one of my digits is off.
Hey Turning did you get my private email to you. I really would like your input before I call Bruce and propse this idea to him. If he goes for it, then maybe we will see turning around in 2009.
Hey I bought mine at .03. Double smoth move. Asprin anyone?
I guess so
Does anybody know what the officers salaries are? The 10q/k reports shows everthing combined into operating expenses as one number. I would really like to see what comprises the operating expenses (specifically officers salaries)?
I was just reading up on the financials, to tell you what I think, there is too much assumption as to what is really being spent on, when they lump numbers together to state "Cost of Revenue = XXX". Just what is cost of revenues? How much PR are the officers getting?, which is lump into cost of revenues.
Did anyone actually see what is cost of revenue? If you did, please let me know where I can find this. I'm really interested in how much officers are getting in salary.
This is old news, I have received investment advise into that area going back to March. Also the area that that land is located is no where near where HTOG owns it's property. It's of no use to us.
Yea Greg. However the last time I spoke to Bruce, he said he has 2 working Gas wells and I got the impression that he is using the money from the gas wells to connect 1800 feet of pipes to main pipe line, this way PPTL won't have to truck the gas out of the ground.
He clearly also stated to me that PPTL has assets in the land it owns from the oil. However when you were monerator, I'm sure he told you the same thing. He should have been able to borrow 5 Million dollars back then, when the bank were giving money out left and right. So who knows what to believe anymore.
If PPTL truely owns that land than we should hold on. I remember back in June I got email from someone driving though the area, telling me that they didn't see any working oil wells on PPTL property, but did see working wells on the land next door.
Sorry nothing new on the we group, we just don't have enough sahres to make a good stand.
OK everyone, is there a chance of. dec. 13th is deadline on this. That is when they start putting together a new list.
http://www.otcbb.com/DailyListContent/delistings/OTCBBDelOpenReport.pdf
Although PPTL is not on this list. We all know that with the lack of filing and sending out information, they can very well be added to this list.
there is so much talk between updv and htog, when you say the stock is going to go up, which one are you relating to?
I read this article a few weeks ago, but at that time they were pushing for investment in the WV, VA MD, PA and Parts of NYS applician mountain (Mostly PA) area. they claim there was a government study 5 years ago and that there is a huge potential gas find.
Someone is pushing for investment money!
I have been following both updv and htog for a while. I see that htog has given rights to Aztec Oil to Drill on it's land in Kansas. Aztec Oil is another Sub of updv. I think in long run updv will either buy out htog or merge the two compnaies together.
Lars: Borrow by small companies for last two years was good, until July of this years when the credit got tied up. Bruce blew it in getting the loan. Yes he tied up the money in land. The land is suppose to have heavy assets associated with it. It's just that now the banks aren't giving out loans.
A good example is a Hotel Client I have. Financialy they are solid. well over 3 million in cash. They want to borrow 5 miilion to do some renovation. So they put one million in each of three banks. All three banks turn them down. Banks aren't giving out loans at this time. we have to wait until they do. Even then the game rules have changed and banks aren't going to just give loans without a solid foundation by the company. So I see this as a long wait befor the oil field gets developed.
In mean time they have two working gas wells with 1800 feet of pipe installation still to be completed and connected to hub. For now the gas are being trucked out of the ground. A slow process, but once the hook ups are done, hopefully Bruce will start to use the extra cash flow to start developing the oil filed.
Were not forming the We Group to take over. We just want to get more information from Bruce (not Challange him). We believe if we tell Bruce that we have a heavy load of shares to back us up, we'll be able to get more info from him. I believe at first it will be rough, but will eventually release more info.
Soory I wasn't on line for a while (back in hospital for a zillion more tests - Everything ok for now). W-Team sounds more like a sports team. Lets leave it as We Group.
So far all I got were about 8-10 responses. Russel, please resend your response. I couldn't open your email to me.
If anyone else knows other shareholder please forward my email address to them. It's A44975@IWon.Com. We don't have near enough shareholders as I'd like to make an empact. The more the better.
To all stock holders, we are forming a group of investors to act together. Our purpose is to get more information of the going ons of PPTL and make it public to all within our group. The group is being called the WE group. What we need at this time are shareholders to join (no money/dues). Please email mail Turningbuilt or myself ( at A44975@IWON.COM). Give us your email address and your shares being held. Were hoping with a significant holding of shares outstanding, we can get some influence within PPTL.
Starting this Dec. I am giving up my position as Sec. of my
Free Mason Lodge. This will leave me extra to do DD on PPTL and make calls (not just to Bruce but to other members within MGT and other endencies).
I'm interested in this "WE" group. Maybe this group might be strong enough to put, maybe, one or two people on the board. This can then have significant influence, hopefully in our favor. I'd like to here more about it LARS.
A44975
The prospectus was offered some 4-5 years ago. I've sent email and faxes trying to get a Financial Statement. I've been asking now for this for about 3 years and still have never received one.
I finally spoke to Bruce', He was in a hurry so I could only speak to him for 2 minutes.
PPTL has 2 gas well operational and only 1100 feet left to go to tie in the gas well to main hub. He hopes to have this done by March/April (winter is usually a problem due to weather). He's still looking for capital and feels the only way to get this is by getting a partner (since bank aren't loaning any money out). He is looking for both loans) and/or a partner with cash.
I asked if the compnay will go bankrupt. He stronly says no and that the assets we have up there is significate and he will not file any bankruptcy, he believe the company is too strong for this. He says the oil pool we have is very large, it's just a matter of capital to get things moving!
I asked him if he can make montly releases. He said it doesn't pay to give releases if there is nothing new to say.
So there we have it from the man himself.
Lars:
I keep calling, about 3x a week and all I get is his answering machine. I leave messages, but he just doesn't return calls. Please put his telephone number where everyone can see it.
Anyboby see this article from Investors Business Daily
Investor's Business Daily
Credit Crunch May Hit Natural Gas Drilling
Tuesday October 21, 6:47 pm ET
Alan R. Elliott
U.S. natural gas producers last year pulled off the biggest annual output jump since 1984. The industry is on track for a repeat performance for '08.
But the outlook for natural gas has gone hazy as economic and financial turmoil engulfs a growing number of firms.
Gas prices are 47% below their July peak. That would, under any conditions, set producers to battening hatches.
But the current pullback is complicated by tight corporate credit markets and withered stock values. These divide a growing number of gas producers from the sources of capital that have made their business models tick.
Chesapeake Energy (NYSE:CC - News) sliced $3 billion off its '09 budget in mid-September. Dunbar Resources (NYSE:DNR - News), Petrohawk Energy (NYSE:HK - News), Quicksilver (NYSE:KWK - News) and Sandridge Energy (NYSE:SD - News) soon followed with similar cutback plans.
All of these firms were highly leveraged, maximizing production by carrying heavy debt loads, says Ken Austin, a senior analyst at Moody's. They invested faster than they could generate cash.
"All the companies that have cut back spending at this point were way outspending cash flow," said Joseph Allman, an analyst with JPMorgan.
Beleaguered banks are in no mood to lend, especially to extended gas firms as prices plunge.
Recent budget cuts have pulled the overstretched gas firms back within their balance sheets, Allman said. But their production goals remain high. Projected 2009 increases range from 16% to 35%.
Others appear less durable. Falling gas and equity prices are threatening to bite into the checkbook drillers, the wildcat operators that thrive on small, revolving lines of credit. Collectively, these vulnerable independents could help make the industry's supply and price swings more volatile.
"The real question is, to what extent does this financial thing that's taken place exacerbate the kind of reaction you would otherwise have to a falling price?" said Harold Korell, chairman and CEO of Southwestern Energy (NYSE:SWN - News).
Producers manage each well site according to the cost basis of its development, production and land-lease expense. When fuel prices decline, producers first back off output at sites with the highest per-unit costs, where margins are first to dwindle to zero.
"That allows you to turn (your output) down or turn it up, based on your ability to bring capital or technical resources or equipment and services," said Michael Watford, chairman and CEO of Ultra Petroleum (NYSE:UPL - News).
Both up- and downturns can be extreme. The industry hurled more than 600 drilling rigs into service during the gas run-up that took prices from less than $3 per million btu to more than $9 in '99 and '00. The sudden oversupply reversed prices, to back below $2 by the end of 2001.
"Within six months 400 drilling rigs were laid down," Karol said.
Some say the industry is facing another such pullback. Goldman Sachs forecast on Oct. 12 that 350 drilling rigs would be idled in '09, and cut next year's EPS targets among drillers by 28% and by an additional 40% for '10.
Gas companies have slim margins to cope with lower prices.
"Last year, only 35% of the plays in the U.S. generated more than a 10% profit margin," said Phillip Stack, vice president with HIS. "In 2005, when we had $9 gas because of the hurricanes, 85% were 10%-or-better profitable."
But have producers backed off since gas prices began tumbling in July? Allman conducted an informal poll of operators.
"Overwhelmingly the answer is no," he said.
Hurricanes Gustav and Ike to some degree staved off the need for voluntary cuts by shutting in virtually all of the Gulf of Mexico's seven billion cubic feet per day of offshore production in September.
Gas futures perked up briefly after the shut-ins, then settled back to 10-month lows. The Minerals Management Service says 2.7 billion cubic feet of daily output remains offline.
Is it possible, with that kind of production loss, that the natural gas industry is still oversupplied?
"Yes, it is," Hartford said. "And that's driven by the growth of the Barnett shale."
Shale plays like the Barnett are the other wild card that could affect the industry's pending pullback. The Barnett, in and around Houston, fostered technical developments that opened up shale gas drilling across the U.S. Unlike conventional wells, shale wells start with explosive production, then quickly taper to extremely low output.
"The more of those you drill, the quicker that gas surplus builds," said HIS' Stack.
But as overall drilling backs off now, will the industry see a rapid production decline?
"It's not that clear," Randy Ollenberger of BMY Capital Markets wrote in an e-mail response.
The economics of shale and other unconventional fields are now generally better than conventional plays. That means "all of the growth is coming from Barnett and East Texas," he said, and "that could be the last to back off."
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I don't know what age has to do with it. Bambi Land refers to the Disney Movie Bambi. Bambi lives in the Woods.
NYS and PA Borders is wooded. Along this common area (mostly in PA) there is a so called huge gas find.
HTOG is not involved in this find, so don't start investing on false rumors.
As of right now, I don't know what gas or oil companies are involved in this find.
The reports are suppose to be coming from a federal gov't survey made of the area some 5 years ago and will be released soon. In mean time NYC Con Ed Electric is trying to drill in the Delaware Water Gap and Castkill area. NYC gets most of it's water from the Delaware River (Which runs and acts as a border between NY and PA) and doesn't want any drilling in that area).
This is what we were talking about.
I was going to vote for this guy, not any more.
This guy is empty suit
From Barak Obama's Books! "Dreams of my Father" & "The Audacity of Hope"
FORWARD TO ALL YOU CAN.
This guy is a mole...
From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!! I don't care whether you are Democrat, Republican or a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this type of character in a President. PLEASE help spread the word
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Maybe your right.
P.S. I like the analogy of Bambi Land, it took me almost 10 seconds to figure out your meaning (it should have taken me only 1 second, I guess old age is creeping in).
Oil Magazines:
I started putting together a list of various oil company magazines.
There are a lot of them. So my list will try to be limited to North America. I hope to make this list available within 30 days (as I said there is a lot and I will work on list as time is allowed).
Than after this list is made available, we should brain storm and decide as a group which ones to email letters to.
Mostly No: The only option left for him is going to hurt us even more. That is a 10 for 1 reverse split. This will bring the O/S share down to about 90 million (raising the market value of the stock from lets say .003 to .03), than do another public offering bring the market value down again, while he has the money to drill and we be left with an additional 90% decline in value of our stock.
If I may interject. If anyone is planing on traveling in the area where Bruce lives (now or in near future), or even just driving by going elsewhere, can he or she just stop by any ask Bruce or Mahn some questions. Maybe a one on one approach might be helpful.
If this is right, why is NYC making a big deal about the drilling scheduled for the water gap area? The articals were in the AM morning paper just about a week ago.
SIR TB:
I welcome you to be our moderator.
I tried 7 times this past week (old and New numbers), left messages each time. No return call. For the Sake of it, being Sunday, I just tried again 5 Min. ago and still left message.
Sir TB. I like the idea of sending letters to various oil and gas subscriptions (to editor I guess) and letting them know whats going on. Maybe a few phone calls from magazines or newspapers might do the trick. Any body got a list of such magazines. An email address list will be most helpful.
Lars: I disagree with you on trying to make Bruce Happy, that's like getting slapped in the face and asking him to do it over and over again. He has to be a MAN and tell us whats going on!
Market up over 700 points today, yet our stock keeps going down! God of oil & gas Lord please help HTOG!
It dosen't matter what he says now, he'll blame that he can't get any money because the banks aren't loaning any money today. He should have gotten the money back in March, when every bank was loaning money left and right.
What about that gas well PPTL is suppose to be operating with a partner. Is that still operational?
Lets not forget, Leahman Brother, Wamu and Whycovia. Must be one hell of a game to them.
I agree with you up to a point. We went into Iraq to stop a would be Adolf Hilter. What we should have done is once he was found, we should have gotten out and let them shoot each other off.
Here in NYC, NYC gets it's Water from Delaware River which runs bwtween NY, PA & NJ. NYC is trying to syop upstate drilling along the river between PA and NY. Strang that they would choose to drill along a fault line.
Outside of myself, did anyone else get a 12 page ad from "awt@investorshub.com" about a major gas find to be released soon?