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Great news, Mike
Thanks for posting....
Keep on truckin', bay-bee...
Rivera's process is the "bestest". Boy, you really need a grammar lesson, but yes, it is.
In case anyone missed the letter from Mr. Rodriguez to John Rivera earlier this year. He reiterated these remarks in yesterday's video.
http://www.maximuscommunications.com/necletter.pdf
And I guess Doroteo Rodriguez (and his 30 years experience) doesn't know anything either. Or that he'd get on camera and risk his reputation extolling the virtues of the Rivera process.
Face it people, the line is forming to the right.
You think it's crap? Don't put your money in it.
But, that won't stop it from moving forward.
I think some people are getting desperate here...
And it's showing...
Now, Neil Boone "doesn't know what he's talking about". Don't worry. I forwarded your remarks to him.
Your motives are clear. So keep on doing what you're doing. You're only convincing others of your true motives. And it's not to protect them or their money.
From outside sources, I know Jim Ford (AmSpec) was also in Natchez in the July 27th time period with Neil Boone. I guess now I'll see this in quotation marks trying to drag down his reputation as well. Ford's been in this field for 30 years. Both Boone and Ford know what Rivera has got here. And they are plenty impressed. I have a trusted (family member)source (outside of all this) that knows Ford personally and vouches for his credibility.
But, go ahead. I love seeing my remarks "up in lights"
"2) As you know for a fact that pyrolysis reactions do not produce five gallons per bushel, you're posting incorrect information but your statement is safe by (1) above"
Gee, that's not what this letter from AmSpec (a certified laboratory) says (http://www.amspecllc.com/)
http://www.sustainablepower.com/content/resources/amspec_ltr_070808.pdf
Oh, that's right...it says 5.7 gallons per bushel (bushel=60 lbs)
Face it, the "laws" have been rewritten for some many other things over the course of history (probably starting with the old "world is flat"). If it wasn't possible before, it is now.
Just so it's straight on ALL the boards, wechoose=Fairwayiron over at RB now claims a "mea culpa" on math.
It's .015% water content, or .00015 or 150ppm (which is what Boone apparently told him).
This is not a direct reply to you realseer. Just a reply to keep things straight since I don't see Speculater's reply on this board.
Some people on this board can slant it negatively.
There's no doubting AmSpec as an independent, certified testing lab.
Some people on this board are just upset that their earlier "conclusions" were totally and unequivocally wrong and have been designed to mislead shareholders or other interested parties.
In case you aren't aware. Yes, I'm a shareholder. So maybe you think I have motives. That's up to you. At least you know.
That's more than you will get from those who are negatively slanting every piece of news from these companies. They have motives too. But, it's not to save you or your money.
The fact is...this company has the products. It also has a process that produces a yield that no one else can get.
This has been verified by a certified laboratory in AmSpec.
After that, it's all just a matter of time and execution.
The company clearly is making forward progress. It's been impeded from time to time, but it continues to make progress.
You're asking the wrong guy if you're looking for a straight shooter...
That's my opinion
Then find out and enlighten us
Larry...perhaps you can refresh MLM's memory on this...
I'm not going to waste my time going back on DD I did months ago...there was an exchange between you (Larry) and me that led to the DD on the shares...
If you don't believe, MLM, which you don't, there's nothing I can do about it.
I was told by Redwood long ago that USSE hold 640 million shares of SSTP in the treasury.
Yes...I misunderstood you...
Understand...no problem...
Sorry, Penn...I think I got confused with your answers..
You started out saying Redwood confirmed USSE is now a production and sales company.
Then, you posted a reply to me saying it was significant reduction in biodiesel creation at AgriMax, but not
24 hours to 2 hours. I guess I thought you were still referring to Redwood.
Now, it appears you weren't.
Can you tell me who you were speaking to?
I'm sure "none", but I hear you're out today...
Good for you...
I hope you take the rest and turn into gold whereever you decide to invest...
No, but it doesn't appear consistent between Tessi and Paisano...
But, Paisano said significant improvement...
It's not like he said it didn't happen at all...
In any event, I'll give you that Redwood information to investors should be consistent...
I will call Tessi again and ask him about it...I know I didn't misunderstand...he said 24 hours to 2 hours...
But, I'll call and straighten it out...
Tessi is from Redwood Consultants, not AgriMax...
I'm going to have to call them again.
I specifically ask for him.
That's what Tessi told me yesterday.
Who did you speak to?
Does that mean the permitting issue is complete?
Sorry, Tony...I did not ask that question (among the myriad of other questions I had). That (the tweaking of the AgriMax reactors) wasn't even one of my questions. He offered that information in response to other questions I had.
I will, however, ask that on my next call.
Look, I spoke to Redwood yesterday.
JRs been working hard in Houston. He has tweaked their biodiesel reactors to improve fuel creation time to 2 hours from 24 hours. (Richard Tessi, 415-884-0348)
Redwood agrees that even though JR is extremely busy right now, they want to provide additional updates to inquiring investors. As such, they told me they would be trying to schedule some time with JR for that reason.
No, he did not provide a specific timeframe, but hoped JR would give him some time this week.
I understand what you're saying, but I disagree.
Rumor and innuendo is wrong...either way...
The stock price shouldn't be an indicator of who is right and who is wrong.
I'm sure you know (and I'm not implying that is the case here) that stocks can be oversold on bad news, but it's not necessarily because the CEO is dishonest, because whatever process they use doesn't work, etc. Some of these companies work through those problems and the stock price picks up.
Are there problems with the way things have gone down at USSEC? Sure.
But, the non-investors are not suggesting USSEC has just run into problems. They are out here attacking the company with baseless rumors.
With no monetary stake, how can anyone accept what non-investors are doing here if not for their own motives?
At least I understandstand guys like markzeppelon who is a shareholder and is not the least happy with how his investment is performing. He can vent all he wants about his unhappiness. I understand where he's coming from.
But these others. It's hard to believe that they are not here for their own motives.
"forget the birdies and the "i hear that" posts"
I totally agree.
At the same time, I don't see you talking down the naysayers' rumor and innuendo either.
Seems they get a "bye".
Just my opinion.
I don't disagree with the hearsay rule.
What I disagree with is you insinuating people here, in regards to being acquired by another company, that the deal has been signed.
It's just idle speculation. They know it. And everyone on this board knows it.
That's all I'm saying.
That doesn't say he made a deal with a big company.
Larry appears to be referring to a deal JR may be making to sell the Rivera Process/trade secret to USSE. I don't even know if that's true yet.
How that news would suddenly increase pps, I don't know. Certainly not as much as news about tying up with a Fortune 100 company (which has only been speculated on this and other boards and currently, I do not have any supporting evidence as to any deal of that kind).
What difference does it make to you?
You have no money on it.
No one has claimed a big deal was in place.
Some have speculated that this company "might" be in negotiations with a big company.
Big difference.
He said he was offered ungodly sums of money for it.
That, I believe, was in the Vidalia demo.
If true, then it proves my point that he could have cashed in long ago rather than have his name publicly dragged through the mud.
If not, and it was just baseless pumping to sucker potential investors, I would think it would have been better accomplished without THAT demonstration and every demonstration USSEC has had over the last 10 months.
He could have just issued PR after PR (and continued to do so) extolling the virtues of his new fuel. No need to get a certified testing lab involved. No need for Jens and his "Jens-ettes" to get involved. No need to bring the DR guys in or Bloom or anybody (especially shareholders).
Sure, you could try to make your case that it is an elaborate scam.
But:
A) He's got the process
B) He's now got a viable product
C) He has sold said product to at least one distributor from
the AgriMax JV (of course, as an elaborate scam, you'd have
to include the owner of AgriMax as well PLUS AmSpec)
D) He's in process to get the permits for Natchez (no, I'm
not happy this wasn't done sooner but somewhat understand
the reason why)
Not to mention my own (familial) source has spoken to an involved AmSpec Veep who confirms their report and prospects for both the fuel and the process.
I don't know. I don't think I'd want to listen to 10 months of investor whining (even from somebody like me) when I probably could have just sold the process to some deep pocket who might develop it or shelve it.
I think John means everything he says. Now, if I'm still a shareholder (which I am), all I can do is continue to ask questions (which I do), get answers (which I do) and see progress.
This is my last post of the day. (oh no, no more "boo-wits" in Fuddspeak)
Note to MLM: I appreciate your last post. Thanks
Note to NN: I just asked Tessi at Redwood that same question
on Friday. He told me he would ask John and
get that answer. When I get it, I'll let you
know.
Sorry, dude. That SOUNDS like he talked to Jens, but he posted here himself that he "did not have the time to call Jens".
If that changed, I'd like to know when, exactly, did he call Jens?
Wechoose's prior post stated he got it secondhand from someone who had spoken to Jens.
He gave the impression he was actually going to call and confirm with Jens. I'd like to know if he did and if so, when?
That's all, man.
Then it's as I have said before (although I'll say it more nicely here).
You, in particular, and other non-investors have history in that you lost money on other JR-included ventures. That provides your motives for being here. It is my opinion that it is not that you are trying to save other shareholders/potential shareholders (and maybe that's not your aim at all), but because you have been "wronged" and it cost you money.
Well, truly, I'm sorry about that. I wish I could fix that for you. But, I can't.
As for me, as of now, I'm satisfied to take my chances. If I'm wrong, please send your personal e-mail address and I'll send you a picture of me with my corresponding "rear-end wound".
But, I doubt that will be the case.
I don't remember wechoose speaking directly to Jens.
He said he spoke to someone else (unidentified) who got it from Jens.
Did I miss the post of what day wechoose actually did talk to Jens?
Please point that out to me if that's the case.
Thanks
Or maybe JR is just an honest guy trying to get this done and it's taking him more time to sift through it.
I don't know why that should make a difference to people who don't want to invest in the company.
And like I've said many time here, no investor is forcing anyone else to get in the game. Just like any other investment, you take your risk when you push the Buy button.
I'm sure there are those that read these boards and walk away. Maybe it saves them money, maybe they'll look back (as one investor told me recently on these boards, I can't remember which company or which poster) and chastise themselves for not getting on.
The investor defines his/her risk parameters. Individually. Not because of you or because of me.
Since he has ties to JR, don't you think what he said might have been related to what JR said to him?
And that doesn't mean JR was lying. He could actually have been (or still be in negotiations) with a Fortune 100 company.
None of us has any proof to the contrary and may never if those negotiations don't bear fruit.
Companies don't PR their negotiations until the deal is sealed. I don't see why JR should have to.
Maybe there WON'T be an investment by or sale to a Fortune 100 company or any other company. Maybe the AgriMax expansion will continue to go as planned and Natchez will get its permits and start blending and selling fuel.
Maybe Fortune 100 companies like the idea (as I do), but won't pony up until they see it out the door.
I think we're getting to the point.
So, he's not your cup of tea as a CEO and that's why you have no money invested here.
Bully for you.
I still say JR is more inventor than businessman.
But, he's the one who's got the reins. You either ride with him or you don't. That's your choice.
I understand your market cap argument. But, you can't tell me other companies have market caps that don't support their businesses at that time.
Stock prices are not always connected to earnings. They are, at times, connected to perceptions. Perceptions are pretty low right now given the pps. If JR was the PR bandleader you all want him to be, maybe pps would be .10/share. And you'd be right that right now, it has nothing to do with earnings.
Right now.
1. A CEO who is more inventor than businessman. Like I said,
I would not have chosen this route. Being a small
company, John might have jumped the gun on some ventures.
2. I didn't say Illinois Biofuels is dissolved. I said they
are not producing anything. If you are referring to the
dissolution of the JV, I was actually told by JR that the
JV was tabled (my word). That was back in June. But
given the reason, I doubt JR would go that route a
second time. But, that's just my opinion. Radcliff's
"showcasing" happened before he wanted JR to pony up
$ 1.2 million for a piece of property worth $ 200K. JR
himself said to me that wasn't a wise use of shareholder
money.
3. I'm not sure what you mean here. BCEI reported themselves
right that they no longer have anything to do with USSEC
or John Rivera. I would think that would "ice" the
dissolution of the JV. The rest (about the funding BCEI
reneged on and all accompanying details) were reported to
me by Richard Tessi at Redwood.
4. Well, that would have been nice, but since it was
Geobiofuels do you think you and the gang would have
been hailing it as proof positive? I'll grant you the
"first commercial fuel sale in history", but I doubt the
2400 gallons (24 gallons of USSEC additive. a-ha, beat
you all to it) would have satisfied any of the naysayers
anyway. Ron says Geobiofuels is negotiating the next
fuel transport (i.e. sales) via rail. Maybe then?
Not only that, I think we'd like (and some expect) JR to
PR everything including what time he goes to bed. That's
unrealistic. Companies do what they do. Even big,
established companies.
5. "Taunt state and federal regulators"? Wow, that's pretty
strong. I think John has been told things by these or
similar parties or maybe even his attorneys and has
repeated them in true JR fashion. You don't like his
delivery (heck, you don't like him at all). I wish his
delivery was different, but it is what it is. He, and
regardless of whether Kelmer deceived him or not, was
ultimately responsible as the CEO to make sure these
things (i.e permitting) got done. Unfortunately, while
being maligned, I think John is the one who is too
trusting and that got him screwed with Kelmer. I hope
he learned that lesson. Never trust the other guy too
much.
6.,7.,8. I don't think I have said "it's always someone
else's fault" I have said repeatedly that management
(and that means John) and again in number 5 that John
bears the responsibility for the permitting situation.
He's trying to rectify it. Would it make you feel
better if he PR'd it? I doubt it.
I also said (without using the word, fault) that John
probably shouldn't have rushed into some of these other
failed deals. He won't be the first, he won't be the last
and ultimately I think it was his zeal for this product
that made him rush. It was unfortunate mostly for
shareholders in the wake of negativity it left.
But, let's face it, it doesn't matter to me what you say
because I don't believe YOU and it doesn't matter what I
say to you because you don't believe ME.
If I'm a "mark" as you say, then I will lose my investment
here. While it would be the first in a pink sheet
company (should I PR that?), it won't be the first time
and doubt it will be the last.
Time will tell. One of us will be wrong. I'm hoping it's
going to be you.
The part about Redwood setting up funding is true.
The part about JR being in NY...true
Who was he talking to?...I have no idea...maybe he was there to see a Yankees game...
I'm betting that's not the case.
Honeywell?. That, like DuPont, blah, blah, blah is all speculation until we hear something official.
Ron is allowed to speculate just like anyone else.
Well, nothing (no pun intended)I can say will probably change your viewpoint...
If you read my "to: investors" message, that's my stand...
As for fertilizer, despite the company trying to sell itself primarily as a fertilizer company, that was not the primary intent of the company. I think that the lofty earnings goals of the company could never be supported by the fertilizer product alone (that is unless it is proven the fertilizer has certain toxin-leeching properties that are being tested at last report from Mike Garjian at Virginia Tech). I never thought that anyway (that fertilizer would be the primary product and that despite the WSR Report).
The fertilizer, as I'm sure you know, is a byproduct along with the fuel and the gas, of the Rivera Process...
There are no byproducts, to my knowledge (meaning I have never seen any but these three byproducts advertised) that can't be sold. Again, that was one of my reasons for wanting to get involved here. Nuclear produces waste that they are still having problems disposing of. Didn't read that here.
Why no fertilizer sales? Good question. It was suggested at one time (and I don't remember if that has changed) that Natchez had not secured enough storage for the fuel.
Not only that, they are waiting on the Blender's Permit for Natchez. I understood this to mean they can't blend USSE biofuel with the other fuels until they get it. So again, even if they pass muster to make the additive USSEC fuel, does it make sense to start generating it if they can't blend with the other fuels to make OD-66?
So, does it make sense to produce the fuel in such quantities where it's not going out yet via distributors to my knowledge (other than Geobiofuels who got his from Houston) and not have sufficient storage capabilities? Was this not exactly good planning (to have the necessary permits)? Probably not, though it has also been suggested that Kelmer "let us down" in that area.
Remember, the fertilizer is a byproduct of the process. It can't be made without making the fuel.
Garjian seemed pretty hot on the fertilizer. They had even sent it to Virginia Tech to test for other potential toxin-leeching characteristics that Mike himself said were interrupted by the shooting.
The dividend: Shoot, this didn't work out for you. And seriously, I'm sorry about that. But I don't think all that confusion was JR's intention. Do you really believe (even if it was a scam, which it isn't) that he would risk shareholder wrath by changing the characteristics of a stock dividend?
Shoot, he probably could have canceled the dividend if it was a scam. But, no. Whatever challenges (and this is where JR fell short by not communicating the why) were occuring with the dividend in its original format, it had to be changed. I never really did follow-up to find out why it went down the way it did. Why? Because I held the shares and got the dividend. Not only that, I don't think the dividend is what I should be concerned with right now. It's all about revenues, bay-bee.
I think JR tying up 640 million shares of SSTP in USSEC's treasury and then issuing the same 1:1 on USSEC was his way of trying to make it right for shareholders. Unfortunately, those who traded out earlier (and I will assume you were one) had a different expectation. That's unfortunate. I can understand why you think that may be dishonest. Maybe because I'm on the other end, I see it differently.
I think whoever is writing the PRs needs a little help. I think they write them expecting they will stand on their own and don't anticipate the myriad of questions that those PRs raise. Not only that, if details are not explained in the PRs, Redwood should be able to fill in the details. That is their job. Again, I don't think (and I'm serious) any of the PRs were to purposely mislead.
I have explained that in my OTHER lengthy post here today that in John's zeal to move things along and tell shareholders backfired once those things wound up not happening. Some opinions, including my own, think that the PR "brownout" mostly has to do with John, reminded that past PR failures led to investor frustration chose to not say anything rather than to be accused of sending out fluff PRs. I think you might agree that right now John can't win this round no matter what he does. Yes, some of this is his fault. Again, I don't think that makes him dishonest.
He got stock he didn't deserve? I can't answer that one. Maybe you feel that way because of the way things have played out. I understand your frustration.
I disagree on massive dilution so money can enter his pocket. Getting product to market takes money. I have surmised, even as recently as today that John didn't want his "baby" being tainted by anything that would cause it to whither and as such the only way to keep it from getting tainted was to sell shares to investors. The WSR Report even said there was going to be more dilution (to the tune of 25 million shares/quarter if I remember, but I don't remember how many quarters).
If there was additional shares above what WSR reported, I don't know. But it wouldn't be beyond the realm that expected funding was outstripped by actual funding. John wouldn't be the first CEO to make this mistake. You can try to make the argument that that was because John was lining his pockets, but in my opinion, I don't think that's true.
I think it's more likely given John's record at USSE that he just didn't realize how much money it was going to take or he himself expected (as the WSR report concluded) that cash flow would be obtained from power generation starting in Q2-07 and that would be enough to fund future operations.
I wrote a lot here. It is your option to accept it or not accept it. It is solely my opinion (which will probably be torn apart in the next 5 minutes by the vultures).
But, I'm stickin' to it. Not in attempt to mislead anyone. This is simply my train of thought.