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Hi gang. Anything new since I last checked in a couple months ago? Last time I was here, there was a big mortgage burning party at someone’s house. It appears as though that party will now have to take place at the brothers’ house(s).
Six months ago I stated that if a show were produced at all, it would be a low budget cya production. This was an easy prediction based upon the number of 144 shares listed and dumped as well as the lack of capital on the financials to produce a quality 13-episode product. The easily predictable end result is that when you produce a low budget crappy show, you will not obtain viewers and you need viewers to maintain sponsor revenues. Unless your Kellogg, sponsors also want viewers outside the 12 year old demographic of go-cart racing.
There was no apparent revenue stream or even a pro-forma financial statement to gauge company performance (finance 101 guys). By the way Al, since RRGI has declared themselves to be flat broke, I no longer need to see that pro-forma statement you were going to provide me(lol).
Please understand that I am not gloating here and I sympathize with all who have lost their investment. Unless you were a day trader catching the wave, RRGI has been a disaster for anyone on the outside and it was probably equally disastrous for many of those directly involved who traded off their services for shares in RRGI; and there appear to be hoards of those out there. Live and learn. Good ideas are a dime a thousand. Good execution is rare indeed.
Best Wishes to All,
Stan
Lets talk about the five cent PPS
RRGI is barely holding five cents after episode 2. Even if the talent were to change with jabba and his racing legend brother off the screen (Recall that they needed to film this in HD so that viewers whould get a good look at them), I cannot forsee people watching given the format of the show.
What I an stating is that the original concept has been so wattered down, that it would take a massive infusion of cash (Twenty to Thirty million?) to ressurect this thing.
People do not want to watch the lame challenges (even if they come up with new lame challenges), they cannot identify with all the "finalist" contestants, and they certainly view the mini-cars as a joke. At least the mini-cars are in scale with the size of the track.
With 20m, you could have a real set, a real production crew, real name brand talent etc along with real race cars on a real track.
As RRGI stands now, they are continuing on with more of the same and you cannot sit back and simply view the glass as half full or half empty. The glass needs to be filled up all the way and that would take millions of dollars which the management team of RRGI obviously will not part with. They are too busy skimming off $60k pace cars and promoting fake $750k grand prizes.
Getting back to RR as it stands today, how do you sustain 132m shares out when every 200k traded at this time lowers the price by 10% of the value? The answer is that you can't. The answer is that you need a miracle at this point for a come-back, and no words from Burke Bryant will change that.
A couple more factors impact and compound the issue. More and more non-investor viewers will get bored and leave if they are subjected to another half hour of Alpha Dogs playing children games. In addition, the competative networks will align better programming in the attempt to lure viewers away from Spike at the 9 am time slot. I believe I said months ago that Ron Popiel would be more entertaining with the vegamitic. With cable networks, it is completely transparent as to who is tuned in and the advertisers get to see this as well. My bet on viewer size would be with the vegamatic at this juncture.
RR thought they could spend as little money and time as possible to produce a show without the experience to predict the end result. They are amateurs on one hand and borderline maniacal egotists on the other as evidenced by them placing their own pug faces in the production.
Stan
1) You took a photo of the building and the marquis sign. I saw pics of the office door and the next one 4 steps way, and the next 4 steps away etc. It is a boiler room. Anyone can call the facility and they will tell you that the offices are 10 x 9 and 15 x 15. Thats 90 to 300 sq ft. Not exactly a corporate headquarters.
2) This board will not allow me to post private info on others -- just like it would not allow me to post cel numbers of the brothers. Recall that you and others threw a fit when I published just the last four digits as proof that I had them.
3) Watched / Partaken in... is splitting hairs. The pet care industry makes Nascar and the WWF look like a booger. The commercials were produced for the franchisees and were very expensive to do and much more professional than any episode of RR. The pets used in the shoot were all much better looking than the commissioner.
4) He sighed one of his early posts using those initials.
My lawn service uses a TORO morrow that has a 25 hp Honda engine. They do sound about the same.
Now that the PPS has fallen back to under five cents, I think my crystal ball is crystal clear. The reason your beloved RRGI has plummeted is because the viewers have eyes and a brain and do not like what they have seen. Burk Bryant (another racing legend?) cannot convince people that these put-put cars are any more exciting to watch than the sports cars at most amusement parks - you know, the ones with the steel rail down the middle of the track.
Stan
bobo26, I agree with your observations
If you are referring to the engine MFG, Rotax, these mini-cars are not Rotax. Rotax makes several models of engines suited to home built aircraft. Many many years ago, I flew a cannard based homebuilt airplane called the Quickie or "Q2". It was a Burt Ratan knock off that had a Rotax engine and that little rotary had a noise all its own - and that has not changed even with the aviation rotax power plants of today.
Nope, the RRGI gokarts are not that good - but if they had the Rotax engine, they would at least be making some screaming noises buzzing around that weed infested dugout of a track.
Hi Scotch. I don't believe that RRGI has acted like a business.
I know that many of you do, but I don't see it. They have provoked investors under false pretenses and have failed to uphold their fudiciary obligations to shareholds. That is my opinion based upon the actions of the management team, what was purported before the show aired, and what they actually produced.
I am all for mortgage burning and I am glad to hear that anyone is able to get Fannie Mae off thier back. I have been there and the feeling is pretty darn good. For some reason, I have always bought more real estate and found myself back to making the monthly nut by stepping up followed by a second home in Fl.
Unlike many of my fellow Jewish citizens, I am prettly oblivious to religeous insensativity. Anyone who was offended by my statement has my sincere appology as that was not my intent.
Most sharholders do not share your entheusiasm, as evidenced by a declining PPS post production - even during the first day of a short holiday week.
I believe that one poster in this forum was offering a bounty on my head and vowed to make finding me his lifelong endeavor! Oh My! I suppose my right to speak (as a shareholder) is limited to conforming to his viewpoint of pumping RRGI. And, I am not personally involved in RRGI but for now, I have not found anything more entertaining to watch and learn from. This is the first look I have had at a modern day internet pushed OTC stock and I have learned much from the operation of RRGI.
Stan
Gerlac68 - The 36K does not seem so bad...
Just promise that I won't loose my chance at the Gold Championship ring, the Glenn Allen contract to live in Hamilton, OH for a whole year, or the National Recognition. Like all the other contestants, I'm really not interested in a mere $750k after all. Did I forget to mention the trophy with the mini-car on top? I want that as well.
Stan
Scotch, Tivo is the only way to watch RR - put put put.
That way, I get to save my important time for putting on the golf course (which I might add has sucked almost as much as the RR show lately).
I am interested in where this thing ends up, after all, I have $100 bucks in it just to be an informed investor. I think my $100 is worth around $45 right now. But, when it hits $4 per share, I'll be paying my club dues for the next two years!
Stan
Gerlac68 - Here are the answers to your questions:
1. you said it was a scam, and would never air......FALSE
To correct you, I stated that the insiders were all selling off mass amounts of restricted shares at any price attainable. That is true and continues to be true. I also stated that IF they produced a show at all, it would be a low budget "yawn" (if my memory serves me) produced to cover their back-sides. If you believe that RRGI is a production that investors are proud of, then you have a hard time explaining the drop back to six cents per share.
2. had several runs...highest being .28 which you said would
never happen, would lose money...................FALSE
I advised my secretary to stay clear of RRGI. She is NOT a day trader who spends her day watching stocks. Had she dumped money into RRGI at 19 cents per share, she might have had the opportunity to sell off and make some profit, however, like most all non-traders who have played with RRGI, she would have lost big time. I know many of you are holding RRGI as if it the second comming of Jesus Christ, but your risk factor is extrememly high based upon where things are today. High risk is not something that my sect., a single mom making $36k per year can afford. I was surprised by the interest that RRGI was able to drum up on the filming PR. Many poeple got suckered in which is why many of you, as day traders, did OK. Right Flat?
3. said you would check this company out....yet you got your
secretary to do the DD you claimed as your own...FALSE
I I have the luxury of paying people to do lots of things for me. I don't even book my own travel if you can believe that. Researching stocks and bonds is just like that to me. If I am paying for, and directing what work product is to be produced, it is mine. I am not a public company.
4. claim to sell bonds or some other stuff, yet you portray
yourself as an expert in TV and commercials......FALSE
I stated long ago that I have actually watched the production of several commercials as a major holder of a franchise corporation. I have purchased national airtime both on cable networks and online in excess of $250k per month. I know how it all works.
5. Please tell me why anyone on this board whether old investor or newbie, after reading your posts on this stock, would be swayed by anything you say based on the FALSE statements in your previous posts ?
Because what the RR Players have produced is a heap of crap. And if you cannot see that, you are wearing blinders.
6. BTW, why did you cease posting when the show did go on air and the stock price was up ?
I also stated in my return post a few weeks ago that my brother in law had passed after a sudden illness and I was away attending to family matters (first pp). Perhaps you missed that. I congratulated the day traders of RRGI on what should have been their obvious success of making money on the RRGI PR bounce. Yes, it is too bad for you folks holding RRGI in hopes of burning your mortgages that it was so short lived. Nothing about what I have seen and found leaves me to conclude that I have not yet been proven wrong about RRGI, or those Racing Legends, Lee & Pat.
Hope this has addressed your questions and I will be glad to continue to address more of your inquiries so long as they are respectfully submitted. Now can you or anyone out there address these three questions for me:
A) Where is the $748k remaining prize purse and why is it never mentioned on the show? Many investors based their investment decision on this being a large production worthy of national attention. $750k is pretty damn close to the $1m given to the winner of Survivor.
B) Where is that much needed $60k Pace Car. Seeing a $60k Pace car in front of those mini racers would at least seem appropriate since shareholders paid for it.
C) Where is Al with those Pro-Forma financial statements he promised months ago? I am still wanting to do an analysis between the Pro-forma statements and the actual statements.
Answers to just these three questions will certainly help me to better understand RR.
Stan
KeyWay, I am certain that you are correct about the capabilites of some mini cup cars. On the show they claim that these are not "toys", but serious race machines capable of hitting 60 mph. They are not hitting 60 on the show if you time a lap on that track.
Either way, the general concensus when a viewer sees these things putting around the track and watching them struggle to gain speed from a dead stop is that they are more akin to go-karts.
Despite what similar machines may be capable of, we are left listening to engines that do not have the roar of nascar, but more the put-put-put of a modified Briggs & Stratton, and it is very boring. The comedic factor is watching a 200+ pound guy struggle to squeeze in and out through the roof and the checkered flag that is half the size of the car.
The use of these mini cars is just another of many inherent shortcommings of RR - like attempting to pass Jabba off as a Donald trump or passing his no-name brother off as a racing legend.
Mini cup cars hitting 40mph is at the other end of the spectrum from pursuing ones dreams at 200 mph (website promo). The original premise of the show was selecting the best candidates out of 16,000 wanna bees, teaching them how to drive, and putting them behind the wheel in competition in real race cars with the winner getting $750K.
This has been boiled down to friends of the Schaefers competing to get dressed in a square after playing a game of pin the tail on the donkey and then graduating to go-karts for a $1,000 with no mention of the $750k pot of gold. Saying it is very lame is being complimentary.
Not addressing the original premise of the show and passing all of this low budget crap off as metting the obligations to shareholders is what makes RRGI a scam.
Stan
Surferbj, Do you have access to RRGI Financials?
That is where these vast amounts of advertiser revenue that you illude to should be revealed. If RR has somehow bucked the normal advertiser / network relationship, I would like to see some evidence of it. Unless someone can show that these commercials are something other than impression fulfillment, then that is what they are.
Stan
anderbest18 --- I am simply stating how the advertisement business works with cable networks and other networks as well.
There has been a substantial amount of cheerleading about the commercials that have run during the show. The insinuation is that these are RR sponsors. No, They Are Not! If you do not understand how commercials are bought, paid for, and delivered to the viewers, then research the topic. Call up Spike or your local cable company and tell them you want to run a regional or national ad. I could care less if you personally believe me or not, but before others run off thinking that eHarmony.com is sponsoring RR, they might be better served knowing how the advertising game is played.
Stan
If the commercials you see were really sponsors,
They would present themselves as such. Let me know when you hear something like "Reality Gocart Racing is brought to you by Penzoil". That would be a sponsoring company paying a larger price than a normal impression ad buy, and, that would then be a revenue share between Spike and RGR. All the commercials to date are mere impression ad buys with SpikeTV filling standing orders.
Shark, I am certain that you would have snapped a few pics of all the busy workers down at Bronson. Since you are backing up everything with posted pics etc., How about sharing a picture of that huge production crew. Everyone would love to see it.
I would also like it if someone (shark, scotch, anyone) can get me the racing history of Pat Schaefer. There must be some reason that he was proclaimed to be a "racing legend". Does anyone care to address that?
As for my predictions regarding RR, they have been pretty spot on. The directors of RRGI have been draining the well with every opportunity. They managed to scrape a few bucks together to bring you - not a Nascar quality show as orginally proclaimed - but mini-car racing. To add further insult, they have placed themselves within the show for purely egotistical reasons (It's certainly cannot be because the Schaefers are very pretty).
I predicted that if a show aired at all it would be a CYA production, and AL has even come here twice to proclaim that the obligations to air a show have been met. I think that statement alone substantiates my predition. This has fallen far below the expectations of everyone here and no amount of PR statements will alter that. If RGR were really that cool, we would all have little squares taped off in our home in which to get dressed.
When the advertisers cease accepting their impressions being delivered during RGR, Spike will yank the cord.
Stan
Did the RR crew really manage to make bad cable TV a little better? Perhaps if you are able to admit that the first episode was an F- and this one merely an F.
Advertisers: There are none! The commercials that air during RR are merely impression ad fillers that are under contract with Spike and not RR. eHarmony.com, Penzoil, and others agree to pay Spike $x per million “impressions”, and Spike simply places the adds wherever they can between shows. The cost per million varies with prime time and non prime time. That’s the way it works folks. The advertisers you see are NOT requesting to be on Reality Gocarts, nor are they revenue streams for RR. Advertisers can request NOT to be run during this show and have their impressions delivered elsewhere when they feel that their marketing objectives are not being met.
Demographics: Tying right in to the advertisers above is the issue of Spike hitting the demographic for their impression advertisement delivery. There are few sane adults even in this forum who believe that the low budget “get dressed in a square” format of this show has much hope. There are several who have stated that their children, ages 5 to 12 really like it. I am certain that eHarmony loves to hear the fact that children are the highest satisfied viewer segment. The tell tale sign that advertisers are pulling out is when you don’t see them the following week. Compare the first week to the second and look at the ones who opted out – and that is why you saw eHarmony being dumped in by Spike – they were a filler (for now).
Show 2:
A) The “challenges” of putting on a jumpsuit for the gentlemen with the disability made for very bad TV. The guy placed his articles of clothing under his shirt resembling a pregnant woman and was then given a free pass at the end to win the challenge. I can sympathize with his dissability, but I cannot sympathize with the lame attempt of RR to come off as a compassionate show.
B) Did you guys know that Pat Schaefer sitting on the panel was “A Racing Legend”? On what planet? Is Glenn Allen a racing “Legend”?
C) The interviews once again were pathetic. Nothing like hearing the same boring rhetoric in the Burke interview and then again in front of the “Racing Legends” panel. How many times did the goofy female contestant relay the message that she was the Alpha Dog?
D) Unlike many of you here, my favorite part of the show is actually when Jabba-The-Hutt comes out of his office in a pimp suit and mutters some worthless statement that contradicts what the prior rules were. Oh my God! Did someone really wreck Jabba’s go carts? I think the contestants were in fear of being eaten alive! Jabba once again looked very hungry as he watched a potential meal “hit the road”.
E) $2,000 down and $748,000 still to go in cash and prizes! Before I would accept $1,000 and national humiliation as a part of this show, I would crash in to Jay Middleton as he tried to lap me. That would make Jabba really mad. The joke is that when the real cars finally come out to play, the drivers are given warnings not to hurt the cars just as if my 16 yr old grand-daughter were driving the family mini van to the mall.
F) Besides seeing Jabba, my other favorite part of this show is the monotone porn music score that is constantly looped the entire time with the only variation being that it is taken up and down in volume. Very Suspensful!
There is no way that there are 60 people working on this production. Absolutely No Way. Filming lame challengers and go-cart racing on some old run down demolition derby track is as low budget of a production as you can get, even when you account for the rented high school theatre where the interviews take place. Not even the Pumpers here can honestly state that they are proud of what they have seen this far given that there has been millions of dollars raised and cashed in by the insiders of RRGI and this script is the best they can do after two years in the making. Al (alcab11) has stated that RRGI has done what they said they would – anyone else holding substantial amounts of RRGI feel that way?
If Spike is pulling the Powerblock because their advertisers want viewers, I cannot believe that RR will be long of this world. I believe that you will see another sell off this week with PPS of RRGI back to the four cent range. And, if Spike pulls it (which they certainly should), it will go to a penny in one day.
One final thought… Has anyone seen that expensive “pace car” that is on the RRGI financials? What kind of $60,000 pace car is needed for go-cart racing?
Stan
After 2 years in “production”, what a flop
If you take a good look at what was aired on Spike Saturday, it is hard to believe that this production was anything other than a very low budget attempt to hoodwink investors into believing that the obligations on behalf of RRGI management have been met. Al has even come here proclaiming that RRGI has done what they said they would do – have a show air on Spike.
Well, there you have it. You all got your show and I doubt that any of the celebratory mortgage burnings are taking place right now (unless you are a RRGI insider). So beyond airing this piece of crap, what truths do we know?
Big Sponsors? No
Big Racing Names Actively Involved? No
Chasing Dreams at 200 MPH? No
$750k in Cash and Prizes? Anyone still believe that?
Professional Production Company? Sure it was…
National Contestant Search from twenty thousand applicants? And these four were the cream of the crop?
I could go on and on listing another hundred shortfalls and all the pumpers out there know it.
To add insult to injury, they did not even employ good talent and substituted whoever would stand before the camera, including the egotistical brothers playing a major role. Saddie was picked up last minute and has little to no talent in addition to not being any real eye candy unless you like your bleach blondes with black roots. She will not carry the show and the interviews she conducted were laughable. The elimination contests were a joke – stay in the square or the commissioner will deduct points! The commissioner is watching from his office! Start your engines! Now hit the road!
The show went from one small disaster to the next and you had to ask if there was ever a script or if any editing was ever done. Finally the misery was over as there was that GIANT one thousand dollar check presented with everyone having that look on their face as if it were not real – WOW!
I have to ask, if those really were REAL contestants chosen from tens of thousands upon their merits (I bet they are simply friends of the brothers and other insiders), could you imagine going to Florida only to be rejected for not tying your shoe laces fast enough? Really, tell me what picking up a spring placed fifteen foot in front of you has to do with Nascar or professional racing? Is this what you will learn as the apprentice in the infamous Glenn Allen racing team? How were these idiotic and childish tasks relevant?
As you watched this pile of crap dry up in the Florida sun, did anyone wonder why there was a complete lack of excitement on the part of the “contestants”. Even after picking up the springs and wrenches, they simply trotted back to the finish line. I don’t think the folks on survivor or fear factor have been that whimsical. They were all shills.
Like I keep saying – If it aired at all it would be a low budget attempting to display the fulfillment of fiscal responsibility. The ultimate issue will be what did they know, when did they know it, and what false representations were made. RRGI has been little more than a classic scam – Any one care to invest in the Shady brothers next venture – A roller derby knock off? I’d bet that they already have a little pinkie lined up for you to invest in.
Stan
In case you are unaware, the RRGI insiders have made millions on this little pinkie and spent less than $10k tossing investors a bone.
It is their employment?
U R Kidding, right?
After 2 years in “production”, what a flop
If you take a good look at what was aired on Spike Saturday, it is hard to believe that this production was anything other than a very low budget attempt to hoodwink investors into believing that the obligations on behalf of RRGI management have been met. Al has even come here proclaiming that RRGI has done what they said they would do – have a show air on Spike.
Well, there you have it. You all got your show and I doubt that any of the celebratory mortgage burnings are taking place right now (unless you are a RRGI insider). So beyond airing this piece of crap, what truths do we know?
Big Sponsors? No
Big Racing Names Actively Involved? No
Chasing Dreams at 200 MPH? No
$750k in Cash and Prizes? Anyone still believe that?
Professional Production Company? Sure it was…
National Contestant Search from twenty thousand applicants? And these four were the cream of the crop?
I could go on and on listing another hundred shortfalls and all the pumpers out there know it.
To add insult to injury, they did not even employ good talent and substituted whoever would stand before the camera, including the egotistical brothers playing a major role. Saddie was picked up last minute and has little to no talent in addition to not being any real eye candy unless you like your bleach blondes with black roots. She will not carry the show and the interviews she conducted were laughable. The elimination contests were a joke – stay in the square or the commissioner will deduct points! The commissioner is watching from his office! Start your engines! Now hit the road!
The show went from one small disaster to the next and you had to ask if there was ever a script or if any editing was ever done. Finally the misery was over as there was that GIANT one thousand dollar check presented with everyone having that look on their face as if it were not real – WOW!
I have to ask, if those really were REAL contestants chosen from tens of thousands upon their merits (I bet they are simply friends of the brothers and other insiders), could you imagine going to Florida only to be rejected for not tying your shoe laces fast enough? Really, tell me what picking up a spring placed fifteen foot in front of you has to do with Nascar or professional racing? Is this what you will learn as the apprentice in the infamous Glenn Allen racing team? How were these idiotic and childish tasks relevant?
As you watched this pile of crap dry up in the Florida sun, did anyone wonder why there was a complete lack of excitement on the part of the “contestants”. Even after picking up the springs and wrenches, they simply trotted back to the finish line. I don’t think the folks on survivor or fear factor have been that whimsical. They were all shills.
Like I keep saying – If it aired at all it would be a low budget attempting to display the fulfillment of fiscal responsibility. The ultimate issue will be what did they know, when did they know it, and what false representations were made. RRGI has been little more than a classic scam – Any one care to invest in the Shady brothers next venture – A roller derby knock off? I’d bet that they already have a little pinkie lined up for you and FatDog will be there to pump it.
Stan
I am certain you all have missed me but I have been away attending to a death in the family. Hopefully some of you traders out there made a few bucks during the upswing a few weeks back, as I know the insiders were pleased to get another chunk.
So I cancelled my golf game this morning just to see this thing air. Was anyone impressed?
Go back and review all of my past posts and I have always stated that if RR were to produce a show, it would be a low budget, poorly scripted product where the sole purpose was to cover there asses as evidence that this thing has not been a pinky scam.
Either I was right, or this show will be a big, big hit. Don't look for it to get better as the production crew and format will not change. Just like the Derby, you don't win by breaking out of the gate slowly. You must admit that the commercials were professionally done.
Race 1:
Start your engines,
Pick up a spring, a wrench, and a couple cheese burgers for Lee & Pat - they looked hungry.
Race 2:
Start your engines,
Now get dressed but stay in the square. Don’t forget to tie you shoes. Congratulations, you’re a qualified race car driver soon to win $750k and a year being Glen Allens girlfriend (as in prison b*&%)!
Race 3:
Bring out the power wheels. Imagine seeing your dreams come true at up to 200 mph.
Race 4:
Enjoy the sell off on Monday folks. Face it, You’ve been scammed. Anyone want a $3 ball cap and $2 tee shirt for $30 shipping?
My wide screen plasma is deceptive, which was the larger pair? The commissioner’s chin(s) or the bimbo’s boobs?
Stan.
RRGI has one foot in the grave,
and you FATDOG, Al, and others, of all people elect to concern yourselves with spelling and typographical errors. If you believe that you appear intelligent by offering nothing of subtance but ridicule, you are dillusional.
Al, care to post those Pro-Forma statements yet so we can all see how RRGI has met its own projections?
And, unless the pics I was recently sent were taken with a bad digital camera, Mr Lee appears to have lost all his brown and gray hair in exchange for a nice shade of yellow. The tailored suit looks like a nice fit - lots of material went into that one - alot more than what has gone into RRGI.
Are all of you three cent shareholders impressed yet by the new makeover of the RRGI president and mouthpiece? I have to wonder which Porshe is going to be used as the pacecar? Silver is pretty classy but Purple is so "Reality Racing".
Stan
Al, I have plenty of goodies.
Al, you have to go deeper than Google. You have to be willing and able to spend the money to have a few rocks turned over to find what is growing on the bottom. Lee is now sporting a new hair doo - it looks blonde from the pics that were sent down to me. He's now the new younger looking and sexier Lee (LOL) sporting about in his Porshe's, but alas he appears to be no thinner and I am told that he stuggles a bit getting in and out of his new rides. By the way, he is not yet in FL overseeing the production - (Still LOL).
Al, I typically only spend money to have securities that our fund would be investing in scrutenized and reviewed. When you buy millions of dollars in a airport expansion bond for instance, you spend some time on it now matter who has rated it. But my RRGI "tax deductable" expenses inquiring about RRGI has been a puff of fresh air, a twisted sort of fun, as well as a bit of an education on how a modern day online pinky scam works. Besides, the guys we use to turn over rocks are enjoying it as well.
Keep your chin up,
Stan
Oh Do Tell Fatdog,
Are you talking about the Lee Schaefer that was the preacher? Or is it the one that started the failed janitorial service? Or is it the one who has never successfully marketed any of his products or "inventions" that can be found in his start up businesses on record. Even a simple online search will provide lots of past "successes". Perhaps you are simply speaking about the Lee Schaefer that is the brainchild behind RRGI and the systematic Pump n Dump.
I do agree with you that this latest venture has paid off for him. Do you know he also has a silver Porsche Carrera with license tags LSF in addition to the purple one? Not bad to have two of those since becomming vested in his restricted shares late last year. Meanwhile, the stock is down to three cents while no verifiable show production occurs. Yes, he is very successful and "hard workging".
A quick RRGI summary: Take a decent but not unique idea and try to get Nascar and a big network to buy into it (2005). When that fails, turn toward pumping the product to alternative channels. Lead everyone to believe that the RRGI brand is closely tied to NASCAR and even promote RRGI with racing legends. A paid appearance at a Cincinnati high school by Bobby Allison - sponsorship material that touts the success of the Nascar brand (yea I have that packet also) but offers the "not affiliated with nascar" fine print disclaimer. These are all pretty clever tactics for a company that has produced nothing but hype. Or, they could also be viewed by some as pretty slimy business practices. By the way FATDOG, who's your favorite driver - Cale Yarborough, Junior Johnson, Donnie Allison, or Bobby Allison?
And what about brother Pat? Can you provide us all with an insight and the disposition of his entrepreneurial skills?
You are correct about one thing, the speculation of RRGI will soon end - but it will hit the wall way before any driver has the chance to do so in that quarter mile fishbowl down here in sunny Fl. There is a legitimate way to make money in the market and then there is the RRGI way. We will all soon see how the RRGI insiders have made theirs – and FATDOG, ALCAB and others here – that means you.
Have a nice day gentlemen.
Stan
Al
I am certain that both the P&G and Spike deal are based upon performance. Spike will not air crap - if indeed crap is what is being produced, they have no obligation to show it. Spike will simply put on something more interesting in that time slot such as an infomercial for the Ron Popeil Turkey roaster or they will air some re-runs of Dukes of Hazard.
By this time, there should have been a product or at least some sixty second trailers in the hands of the folks at Spike to generate interest - Correct? And just what would those trailers looke like at this point? Nascar driver Bobby Allison signing autographs at a Cincinnati High School - WOW!
I did not think that this thing would start to fall off the charts until the end of next week - a bit closer to the deadlines needed to produce something of substance. Without some magic powder by this time next week, RRGI will be at two cents.
Stan
Another one of my Long and boring posts (to some)
Avalanchecustoms (post 2945) came on board and noted that the NASCAR brand is in no way affiliated with RRGI. This simple observation is very true. Conversely, RRGI has pumped their product in a manner that leads laymen to believe that NASCAR endorses it in the attempt to lend credibility. Paying famous NASCAR personalities for public appearances and talking about NASCAR in the third person easily accomplished this goal.
The truth about NASCAR is that it is not about to have the NASCAR brand tarnished by awarding amateur contest winners a chance to do squat. And all of those purported contestants who are most likely just friends of GA Jr. in the ASA circuit know the value of that association as it relates to NASCAR.
Clue number one as it relates to the integrity of RRGI is that there is no $750,000.00 first prize. The prize is a hoax. It does not appear in the financial statements anywhere and someone has to be a total rube to believe that a contract with the famed GA Jr. race team is worth more than the paper it is written on. Perhaps there is immense tangible value to be had in the national recognition that Reality Racing will bring to the winner – sure there is.
Second clue: They are now editing all the video from the “National” contestant searches. That’s nice. Did they find a time machine to go back and film this with the HD camera equipment they admittedly did not have at the time but are required to have for airing on Spike? What a neat trick that is.
Third Clue: There are several individuals who post in this forum and continually attack anyone who provides credible information or raises legitimate logical questions regarding RRGI. A viable company would remove the doubt cast upon it by all the speculation if it were able to. RRGI has repeatedly looked the other way while maintaining the need for some magical secrecy formula – an apparent big secret more coveted than the formula for Coke-a-Cola.
I have not posted here to attempt to bash RRGI. I have participated here in the quest for the truth about this company. If only one person has been influenced by the logical and rational questions that have been raised and elected to invest elsewhere, then good for them. To date, I have expended several thousand dollars of my own money to have RRGI looked into rather deeply. I have not liked what I have seen and I have stated facts as I know them to be. Some of you will choose to believe what I have stated, while others will not. That is the prerogative of each individual within this forum and in no way should a stated personal opinion or questioning of RRGI merit personal attacks, but ridicule is the only tool that some of the insiders who post here have in their portfolio.
When I was challenged as to not having the contact and cell numbers of the inside players at RRGI, I posted four of the ten digits for two contact numbers. FATDOG & Sharky quickly requested that the post be removed. Why? Because they know I trumped their hand and was not bluffing. I posted a tad bit of SEC data on 144 shares sold off and even gave three dates and amounts sold off. I once again stood by the validity of the data I possess by posting a strong wager – Once again, those who challenged my information backed down but continue with personal attacks.
Al was to acquire the pro-forma financials until he found out that I could see through them as a way to clearly judge RRGI’s performance and stability of being a viable entity and not a pinky scam. No matter what these statements would show, RRGI would be in a “gotcha” situation and I can assure everyone that they will not be released due to the contradictory data that would be contained within them as there is not way that RRGI could be made to look good – unless of course a $60k Pace car is a major key toward RRGI success. Nonetheless, there cannot be a single investor in RRGI who is happy about a stock that has done nothing but tank since it split and has yet to meet any of its obligations to shareholders.
Will RRGI every produce something on a 70mph track beyond mediocrity? I seriously doubt it. No legitimate company that I can recall has ever suffered the unforeseen circumstances that have supposedly victimized the management team of RRGI, only to come back to perform like a rock star.
And the clue of clues: The insiders would not be short selling today and last quarter what would be worth far more in the near future if there was any confidence level in their own ability to perform.
Sincere Regards
Stan
PS: Bagfull – stock scams are never quick and rapid (post 2978)– show us one in the past decade that was ever less than a year old. FATDOG: If it helps you sleep tonight, let me leave you with one thought – I shower naked!
It is not 1% per quarter, but 1% of the prior months volume.
Stan
Not today...
Jerry,
Do you really have to talk slower while you type? Obviously, you think slower as well. Now that I am past the exchange of petty insults, let me respond to what you just “slowly” articulated.
RRGI has one product. That product is a TV show. The management of RRGI is responsible for insuring that the necessary elements to accomplish the goal of producing this sole product (a TV show) are set in place. They have been given more than adequate time to write a general script, grab a production company, and haul their lard asses down to what now turns out to be one of the shortest tracks in the country in which to film their 80 mph yawn. By now, they could have driven everyone down there in that much needed Pace Car.
As a public company operating with investor funding, they have a duty to shareholders to insure that they act in a prudent manner to accomplish what they purport will be achieved. Thus far, they have clearly failed to do this as demonstrated by innumerous production delays citing the absolute silliest excuses imaginable. RRGI has yet to produce a product.
Without even knowing what the product is, the performance of RRGI could be readily gauged by comparing the pro-forma statements to the financial statements. Projected goals are either met or they are not met. Production funds were either banked or they were not. It is a very simple concept Jerry and I seriously doubt that a pro-forma budget will be forthcoming from RRGI. Am I typing too fast for you?
For Schaefer to state that they have once again been totally blind-sided by yet another unforeseen event (i.e. No Production Funds) without having anticipated what the negative repercussions of such an event would be, clearly displays that as a management team, they are impotent. The only conclusion to draw is that If they are not completely and totally inept, then they are less than credible. Being less than credible is the only rationale explanation in my opinion that explains why the insiders (all of them) have cumulatively cashed in millions of dollars worth of restricted personally held shares of RRGI stock at any price attainable.
I fully understood what Schaefer was stating between the lines in his latest public banter. Did you?
Stan
Now FATDOG,
I know how you insist that you are the only one who contributes to this board with any substantive content, but a smart guy like you should have the ability not to step in your own FATDOG S*%#. Are you saying that you are incapable of seeing what is right there in front of your eyes? Now that is sad. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
Stan
BTW, your last 50 posts have stated Nothing whatsoever. Keep trying.
" it could simply mean they are being managed poorly or are victims of a horrible set of unforeseen circumstances"
Would those horrible unforseen circumstances be the need for cars?, video production equipment (i.e. a capable production firm), a track location (that was only recently nailed down), and now funding for production.
Even if you're a moron, you propably have the common sense to put your pants on facing the front but if these are all unforseen surprises, these guys are pissing in their pants because the zipper is in the back.
I find it funny that they did not seem to skip over the need to get a "pace car" nine months ago.
Stan
Bagfull,
I believe that you have caught on to this company. If the company has intentions to grow and provide a decent ROI to investors, the management team has shown itself to be completely incompetent. At a point beyond the eleventh hour, they are now trying to find production funding and apparently doing so via dilution. Personally, I have a hard time believing that they have stumbled upon yet another so obvious obstacle (no cars, no cameras, funding that fell through).
I have been waiting for Al (alcab11) to post those pro-forma statements for comparison. I did review the "audited" statements but as I suspected, they are nothing more than procedural review audits and are not "independent" audits where the numbers and expenditures are brought into question. The audited financials, while being a farce, still raised my eyebrows a bit.
As of the third quarter of '06, there are no production funds in the cash drawer. They did however have a $15k partial interest in one race car (what I refer to as the stage prop), and they spent approx $50k on a "Pace Car". Now just who in the hell is driving that Pace car for all this time? Is a “pace car” a required expense to incur nine months before it is needed? They could have rented the Pace car (Lee’s Porshe?) and used the remaining $48k and purchased 10 HD cameras!
I presume by now that Al has confirmed with Lee & Pat that the three sell off dates and amounts I listed (of approx 50) of their personal holdings were accurate. I presume he is aware that all of the major shareholders have the same sell off habits. It appears that no one wishes to talk about the methodical sell off of their personal holdings. Al, should I list more?
So at this time, the assets of RRGI consist of one prop car, one pace car, no real funding for production, nothing, nadda, nil. What happened to that statement "we have the cars"? What happened to those rare HD cameras they needed for filming. Did they go to 47th street photo online and order them? There are thousands of those in the shops of NYC right now. Where in those BS financial statements is that prize money? It should certainly be there in the pre-paid expenses by now as I would presume that at least one dollar of it would come from RRGI. Oh I know, it is all sponsor paid – sure it is. And just where in the hell is that Pace Car? Flatsixer, do you think that pace car by chance is a purple Porsche sitting in KY?
Al, Care to comment on that audited financial statement further?
Thanks again
Stan
Good Evening Al
At this point, and in light of Mr. L Schaefer’s recent press release, I would like to see the following:
1) The Pro forma budget disclosing the production expenses
2) The most recent financial statement showing what amount has been raised, what has been spent on production, and how much is left in the kitty to complete a final product. All of those figures should be in there.
If the pro-forma budget was way off, or if the projected funds needed for production were not achieved, it would be grossly negligent at best for RRGI management to purport and schedule a debut date, only to potentially present a watered down cheap version of the show or announce yet another delay.
Either way you cut it, today’s announcement by Mr. Schaefer should have people asking more questions that what were answered. Patience is not a bartering chip in RRGI’s portfolio at this time.
As for the sell off of personal stock, let me say that it is brother(s) as in pleural, along with the other major holders. Al, I am certain that you can get your hands on this data as well but it does take a bit of time to get it. You seem to be close to the Schaefer’s – take the time to ask them. Let me know if they emphatically deny the sell off in which case I will readily prove them to be dishonest by simply disclosing more data. I have given enough information that they could readily verify or deny. If they acknowledge what you deem to be an allegation at this point, there will be no need to further embarrass them, but they need to come clean with investors.
Unlike others here who want to call people slang names and insist that they are acting in a professional manner, I am only here at this point to make the maximum impact in the pursuit of the truth for the benefit of investors who require information to make informed decisions. Chanting Blow Blow somehow does not achieve that goal does it? But then again, it seems to be indicative of the intellect of some contributors to this forum and may be the best they can offer.
Lights, Camera (HD Camera), Action. RRGI better get busy and find the money to produce a damn good TV show.
Stan
Hello Al
I'll take the time to read over those financials this eve. Thanks for the info. Is there a pro-forma statement / budget to be found as well?
The point about my secretary is that I indeed thought for a moment that the stock had soared to 43 cents. It was not "childish"; she simply mis-spoke or did not glance carefully enough at the decimal place. Either way, 43 cents or 4.3 cents got me out of my chair.
Just to clarify what you stated for some of the newbee investors out there, most successful startups do not begin as pink slips and the opposite is true. The problem with penny stocks as you disclosed is that the information forthcoming from the management of these companies is vague at best, and as such, the risks are much greater than buying even the highest risk Nasdaq tickets. If pink slips were truly where it’s at, more analysts would cover the pinks and Jim Cramer would be exciting to watch (I do like Jim BTW).
Now, the beauty of the information age is that everything officers do with restricted shares, or former restricted shares is tagged. You should be aware of that. Just for fun, ask Mr. Lee S. if he sold off 50k shares on 11-14 then again on the 15th, and once again on the 16th. Matter of fact, there are approx fifty other sale occurrences in '06 ('07 data is not yet readily available). The brothers must talk allot with one in KY and the other here in Fl because they seem to follow the same dumping habits. I don't think the SEC would lie about these dates, do you? Not meaning to be pampas, but I'd be willing to escrow up a private bet with you or anyone including either of the brothers - let's say for $10k that I am right on that one. Before taking me up on the bet, check with the Schaefer brothers one more time first. I'll place my winnings with the wounded warrior project to boot.
For the person who asked what is wrong with selling off shares, typically nothing when an officer of a "real" company is doing it, but even then, it can be a strong indicator of corporate performance from sitting chairs. The danger for small investors is that the rules regarding pinks slips are very liberal and most pink slip scams follow the train tracks that RRGI has been riding. Lots of hype, lots of delays (have to get past that 1 year SEC bar date), then the fizzle happens. All the while legitimate investors loose their money while the millions of no cost shares and revenues held by "the team" end up converted to cash in their own pockets. I'd like to make a point to the person who asked about the sell off of restricted shares to pay yourself or provide for day to day living expenses as officers. The stock is their bonus money. Corporate salaries and other operating capital are extracted from the proceeds of shares generated by the sale of stock to the every day average Joe. Most companies place their own restrictions on the sale of shares held by officers for the obvious reasons cited.
Is RRGI a scam? At this point, considering the information provided, the serious deficiencies in production and work product - an experienced and rational investor would say yes. I still stand by my first post that RRGI will continue to slide and a mediocre low budget production will occur as the attempt to exhibit some legitimacy. Nothing is more indicative of a scam than the sell off of restricted shares by corporate officers and those who possess these shares, even as the share price continues to slip. Lack of production funding is one thing; doing it "on the cheap" is another.
But let's recap RRGI: Original airdate was to be in spring of '06. Fox got dumped and Spike was bought in to play. The concept has gone from 200 mph NASCAR to 90 mph short track. Recent delays were the lack of HD camera equipment (ridiculous). Then they forgot to get the cars (more absurd). The Bronson folks seem confused about the format and contestants. Now the President of this company is laying the foundation for more delays due to the need to overcome a deficit in production capital (inept). Add to all of that the fact that the more you dig into RRGI, the more inconsistencies there are to uncover. If today’s proclamation by RRGI president, Lee S regarding a falter in production funds were not enough to have you believe that RRGI is managed by a team of idiots, then you can always join me on the "its a scam" side of the fence.
Either way, investors are loosing money for no valid reason!
Thanks for your time AL,
Stan
Good Afternoon Ladies & Gents,
Yes it was a late night last night. There is a new show on called "Red Eye" and I rather enjoy it as well as the luxury of sleeping in on some mornings. No one called me on my post #2240 when my Secretary mistakenly reported 43 cents – seems she missed the decimal place and that’s why I make the big bucks. But I must admit that I was equally shocked at .043 so soon.
Moving on, it looks like those partial phone numbers I posted might be relevant since there was a big rush by some to get them pulled down. Sometimes us old fat Jewish boys know what we’ re talking about. Glad FATDOG can attend to getting those numbers pulled instead of addressing one very simple question – Are you or are you not GA? FATDOG are you avoiding that?
Sharkmph: Those are old cell numbers huh… We will see as I devise a method off of this board to pass out much of the information I have. You see, the SEC has lots of data and if you know who and how to get it from, it is readily available. Did you make that trip up to OH to see your grand prize yet and get the details of that racing contract? If I were really a contestant, I would want to see exactly what I am about to win.
Alcab11: Can you point me to the audited financial statement? I would love to see something more recent than I was able to obtain. My expenses in having people dig through this dung pile is getting up there a bit and this would really help me and add to my near 1” thick file. Better yet, just post the recent audited financials for everyone to see.
Now one more thing regarding your insinuation that shares are being sold off and used for raising corporate capital etc. What I have is the summary of the PERSONAL shares that have been sold off. To clarify in case you are still having trouble with the concept, these are not the shares sold off and used for paying corporate bills, developing infrastructure, and production costs. What I am looking at are the shares sold off that the principles will be reporting on their own 1040 – you know, that type of capital which is used to raise the balance of one’s own checkbook. Now explain to me once again why they have all systematically and repeatedly cashed in even as the price plummets? Are you saying that they are doing it to loan money to the company?
Since you are also far more connected that most others here, can you obtain the new balance of total vs issued shares that are now in the market? And let us suppose that the recent sell off which pushed the stock below a nickel in two days was the attempt to raise production capital – just an assumption - exactly how much capital would that raise? $50k, $100k? Is that enough to cover the production costs for this series? Exactly what does the current balance sheet show and where are the funds needed to cover the production costs? Certainly these guys produced a pro-forma financial statement and know what the projected costs were to be, correct?
To keep Sharky, Fatty, and others who want to say that I am full of it satisfied, I am thinking through how to provide the legitimate investors with factual documentation and contact data. Perhaps I will set up an email address and publish it here for people to contact me and request data. Hogs, is that allowed? Can I post a personal email owned by me and invite people in to give them what they would love to see? I just think it is time to gag the BS’ers out here.
Best Regards to All
Bonded1
PS New Score: Bonded 2, Other guys 0. Does anyone want to call LS & PS and ask them how many shares they have sold off?
Yes MIMI
You are on target again... See my next post which I just drafted before the great OZ spoke...
Bonded1
Soup714
The "insiders" are regulated as to the amount of shares that they can sell off. See SEC Rule 144.
I can attest with certainty and with the proof in my hands that the insiders have been selling off their personal shares of RRGI every since they hit the anniversary date of the required one year holding period. Since early October, they have averaged over ten sales per month in average blocks of 20k to 50k shares per transaction from the time the stock was in the upper thirty cent range right down to selling off at under a dime.
In a nutshell, it equates to about a $300k dump per player over a period of several months. Now if you believe that a reality show can be filmed and aired in less than sixty days but it took two years to put this perfect deal together with spike, you have silly putty between your ears. If there was really going to be a hit reality show, would the insiders not be morons to sell off at the consistent and predictable pace that they have been. They have sold short irregardless of the price. Selling short certainly does not provide the appearance that this team has much faith in their own product or effort to produce a hit reality TV series.
What is going on now are sales of additional shares that are causing dilution. It just might be time for someone at RRGI to state the number of shares that remain unissued. Something tells me that the old numbers on the well dated UNAUDITED financials may not be very accurate any longer.
As a side note for the member here in this forum who likes to privately email with name calling and slang, – It would be illegal for an insider to provide an “audited” financial statement for a publicly traded company, and as such, the financial statements prepared by the RRGI insider, are nothing more that carbon dust on paper.
FATDOG,
Before you resign from directing any more posts to me, just be up front with everyone in this forum.
Simply acknowledge for the record whether you are, or are not, RRGI board member Glen Allen.
This is a pretty simply straight up request and it carries obvious implications if you elect to dodge the question.
Thank you in advance for all of your time and honesty.
Bonded1
Same document I posted last week.
What about posting a copy of a business card? Specifically a RRGI business card?
WoW!
I've been away for a few days playing a bit of catch up since my trip and today and my Secretary comes in and tells me that RRGI is at 43 cents! Oh My!
Well gang, I don't have much time here but MIMI is correct. The four million shares sold off in the past two days is most likely not the result of impatient traders like you. There has been no news from RRGI to warrant the big sell off and most pink sheet traders would rather ride the horse they are on. RRGI investors have been content with virtually NO verifiable good news so why would anything change?
My hunch is that RRGI is dumping in more shares to raise capital - but it is not near enough money to produce the show, but could pay some of their red ink. I will probably know by the end of the day how many restricted shares make up that 4 mil traded over the past two days (the volume is too high to be all restricted shares).
Here is what I will do later this evening as time allows. I will give you guys some contact numbers (cels) of the players out there from the Bros down to the track manager at the Bronson Speedway. It was reported to me by a recent snoop who contacted Bronson that there were now only eight or ten contestants? Anyone else hear that? Regardless, at 40 cents per share, it might be time for some of you to ring the phones of the powers that be within RRGI and ask them first hand exactly what is going on. I presume that this information would be relevant to this board and not be deleted by Hogs?
Also, I will have to show FATDOG the post where he signed off with the initials of RRGI board member GxxA. I'll also explain the relevance of the prior production company's role back when RR was to air of FOX. Does anyone know what happened to those 4 million shares? And when was the last time that RRGI provided any type of financial statements. FATDOG, you seem to be an expert with RRGI's financial statements (the ones you call audited). Can you shed some light on that?
Until next time
Bonded1
This one if for FATDOG
To recap who here has been providing factual data -- are you not the one who repeatedly blathered out that "RRGI is audited". Yes, that’s you - see posts 1316 and others.
Note in the PDF file, that it clearly states that there are no audited financials. Surprise! That's one point for me, right?
Now, I also noted that you signed off on one post using the initials of "GxxA" from KY. Glen Allen perhaps? Now, if that is the case and you as a board member have participated in public forums propagating incorrect information - you could have a very large problem.
Thanks again
Bonded1
Nice Post Avalanche
You should be pissed because one thing is certain - the management of this company, through intent or neglect, has allowed your substantial investment to plummet.
Unfortunately, I have been shelling out time and money of my own to research RRGI and have put together a nice little portfolio on this debacle. Based upon the inaccurate information purported by RRGI, I am of the opinion that the actions of the management team have been mostly on the intentional side and not the negligent side of the fence.
Recently, I made posts to this board which directly led to a strong possibility that some very active persons on this board may actually be insiders. One frequent poster on this board acknowledged that he was a resident of the same small town as the RRGI President Lee Schaefer. Subsequently, this same person was later potentially ID'd as RRGI board member Glen Allen.
Unfortunately, several of my posts that raised this legitimate issue and in no way violated the posting rules of this forum have been deleted by the moderator. I have petitioned the owners of Investorshub to re-instate my posts and to caution the moderator against selective deletion of non-violating posts. We will see if this post lasts or if it too is deleted without cause.
For those who are unaware of the official lineup of RRGI, here is a nice PDF file that should interest you:
https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/628710/628710_FR7.pdf
We all know about the brothers, so here are some additional facts on others mentioned in the above file:
Mr. Skip Fredericks is the "would be" producer of RRGI and in other documentation I have, he has consistently promoted his ownership and use of HD cameras, recording, and editing equipment for over two years! Those advertisements would seem to contradict one of the recent claims from RRGI that additional delays were needed to acquire HD cameras. I suppose that Skippy's cameras could have all been worn out over the past two years of heavy use, or perhaps they were all somehow damaged or recently lost.
Glen Allen is the likely supplier of prop cars that have been used by RRGI. It appears that his facility is location where Mr. Schaefer attempts to gracefully balance himself on a stool for the website clip. Mr. Allen is also on the board, and a shareholder of restricted stock as you can see in the above filing. He is also the liaison into the professional driver personalities who have been compensated for their RRGI appearances (at least one acknowledges to have been paid).
The "Audited" financials that have been praised repeatedly as the second coming of Jesus Christ have been prepared by another major shareholder of RRGI. It just might be a conflict of interest to provide the “audited” financials for company in which you have been given four million shares of stock. For quick reference, that would be Mr. Craig Leitner.
Well that should be enough for now to keep the "put up or shut ups" at bay for a bit. I am actually pretty exhausted from playing golf over the past two days in beautiful San Diego. I'm catching a flight back home in the afternoon and by the time I get a chance to view this board again, I am certain that I will have been called all kinds of names and told that I have no "proof" of what has and is occurring. More to come later...
Sincere Regards
Bonded1 (Stan)