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It worked once, why not twice? I made up my losses on the first one, so lets go Christian supply co. Just remember that when it happens I said it first.....
However lightning could strike twice. This is the scenerio that could happen:
1. 5/4 split in about 2-3 months.
2. For about 6 months PTEL will continue to release PR's about future earnings, deals blah blah blah.
3. At the end of 6 months JB will come back on the group and insinuate that something big is brewing you better buy now.
4. PTEL will reverse merge into Chistian supply co. that has Bibles etc on PDA's.
5. This will be hailed as a breakthough for the millions of Christians now toting around obsolete paper bibles and supplies.
6. All our worries will be over and big money is right around the corner.
Quartly report through March 31. I'm no expert but I was hoping for better.
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=KLGG&tabValue=4#getFilings
I think it's the lack of memo's that's killing me. I just hope Christmas is good.
So from what I've read, ptel share holders will receive 138,000,000 shares of the new company. The new company will recieve 5,000,000 shares of ptel. Since it is a one for one the new company has 5,000,000 shares all told. If the strike price is $1.50(US) then the new companies shares should be worth about $43(US) right now. Capt. Bob - Do any of the companies you listed match this criteria? Unless of course my assumptions are wrong or my math is screwed.....
I'm doing the same. I'll hold what I have, but won't buy more until I see Rev's from units sold.
If I remember correctly, when the reverse split followed by the award of shares first occurred, Jonathan indicated that there was a reason for it. I still don't see how this has helped me or the Company.
My question is:
1. Please explain the rational behind the reverse split and the award of shares to Management.
The only experience with taxes I have is the 1040. Maybe someone else can make heads or tails of this.
Link: http://dedo.delaware.gov/information/databook/taxes.shtml#tax%20advantages
TAXES APPLYING TO BUSINESS:
Businesses should note that Delaware has no tax on inventories and no tax on process machinery or equipment. Businesses and individuals alike will be pleased to find no sales tax, no personal property tax, no unitary tax, no machinery or equipment tax, and no State-level real property tax in Delaware .
Corporate Income Tax
The tax rate is 8.7 percent on net income. Taxes are not paid on interest from United States or State of Delaware obligations or subdivisions of either, nor on gains from the sale of United States or Delaware securities. Taxes are not paid on dividends of foreign corporations that qualify for, and claim, foreign tax credit on federal returns. Investment and holding companies maintaining and managing intangible investments, and collecting and distributing income from such investments or from tangible property outside Delaware , are exempt from State corporate income tax.
Income from interest, rents and royalties, patent and copyright royalties, and gains and losses from the disposition of real property is allocated directly to the states where the property is physically located or where the transaction took place, reduced by applicable expenses.
For those businesses which operate interstate, unallocated corporate income is apportioned on an equally weighted three-factor formula that averages the ratios of: (1) Delaware property to total property, (2) Delaware wages to total wages, and (3) Delaware gross receipts to total gross receipts. The apportionment formula is applied to a company's entire taxable income, excluding allocated and exempt income.
Partnerships, sole proprietorships and shareholders of S Corporations are not subject to State corporate income taxes. Individuals carrying on business as partners or sole proprietors, or those who are shareholders of S Corporations, are liable for personal income taxes imposed by the State only on their proportionate share of partnership, proprietorship or S Corporate income. The business may be subject to occupational and/or business license fees, as well as a gross receipt tax on sales/services within Delaware .
Bank Franchise Tax
The rate of tax for banks, trust companies, and national banks is 8.7 percent of taxable income not in excess of $20,000,000; 6.7 percent of taxable income in excess of $20,000,000 but not in excess of $25,000,000; 4.7 percent of taxable income in excess of $25,000,000 but not in excess of $30,000,000; 2.7 percent of taxable income in excess of $30,000,000 and, effective January 1, 1997, 1.7 percent of taxable income in excess of $650,000,000. Taxable income, for bank franchise tax purposes, begins with net operating income before taxes reported on line eight of the FDIC Consolidated Report of Income.
Corporation Franchise Tax
A domestic corporation may be established under the General Corporation Law of Delaware by filing the proper documents with the Secretary of State. The initial cost is based on a company's authorized capital stock, either (A) par value stock or (B) no par value stock, as follows:
A. Par Value Stock
Up to $2,000,000 $.20 per $1,000
Over $2,000,000 to $20,000,000 $.10 per 1,000
Over $20,000,000 $.04 per 1,000
B. No Par Value Stock
Up to 20,000 shares $.01 per share
Over 20,000 shares to 2,000,000 shares $.005 per share
Over 2,000,000 shares $.0020 per share
Once a corporation has established Delaware as its legal home, the annual franchise tax includes:
A. Annual Report Filing Fee $20.00
B. Tax (lesser amount computed by (1) or (2) below):
1. Authorized shares - par or no par:
3,000 shares or less $30.00 per year
3,001 shares to 5,000 shares 50.00 per year
5,001 shares to 10,000 shares 90.00 per year
Each additional 10,000 shares or part thereof 50.00 per year
2. In the case of par value stock under $100, an alternative is offered based on assumed capital, found by dividing gross assets by all issued shares and multiplying quotient by such authorized par value shares; provided, however, that if said quotient is less than the par value of any shares having par value, such shares shall be multiplied by their par value instead of by said quotient. Rate of tax is $200 per $1,000,000. Minimum tax--$30, maximum--$150,000.
Whether the franchise tax is computed according to (1) or (2) above, the minimum tax is $30 per year, and the maximum tax is $150,000 per year.
License Fees and Gross Receipt Taxes
Most occupations and businesses require the purchase of a license in order to operate legally in Delaware . Although license fees are minimal, several types of businesses, including those listed below, are required to pay a gross receipts tax in addition to the business license fees. Gross receipts tax information for types of businesses other than those listed may be obtained from the Delaware Economic Development Office.
· Manufacturers - $75 annual fee for each place of business, plus a tax of 0.180 percent (effective January 1, 2000 ) on the gross receipts for all goods manufactured in Delaware , regardless of the location of sale. In computing monthly gross receipts, the first $1 million in receipts are not subject to taxation.
· Wholesalers - $75 annual fee for each place of business, plus a tax of 0.384 percent on the gross receipts of all goods physically delivered within Delaware to the purchaser. In computing monthly gross receipts, the first $50,000 in receipts is not taxable. Manufacturers that also wholesale their products are subject to both the manufacturing and wholesale tax on gross receipts.
· Retailers - $75 annual fee, plus $25 for each separate branch or additional business location. Each retailer pays an additional tax of 0.720 percent on the aggregate receipts in excess of $50,000 per month.
· Restaurants - $75 annual fee, plus $25 for each separate branch or location, plus an additional fee of 0.624 percent on aggregate receipts in excess of $50,000 per month.
· Food Processors - $75 annual fee for each place of business, plus a tax of 0.192 percent on gross receipts, in excess of $50,000 per month, from all goods sold within Delaware .
· Petroleum Products Wholesalers - $75 annual fee for each place of business, plus 0.9 percent (Hazardous Substances Cleanup Tax) and 0.384 percent on aggregate receipts in excess of $50,000 per month. Wholesalers are also subject to a surtax of 0.24 percent (.0024) on the sale of petroleum products.
· Petroleum Products Retailers - $75 annual fee for each place of business, plus additional fees of 0.9 percent (Hazardous Substances Cleanup Tax) and 0.72 percent on aggregate receipts in excess of $50,000 per month. (Retailers are exempt from 0.9 percent and 0.72 percent tax if the Hazardous Substances Cleanup Tax was paid to their supplier.)
· Occupational/Professional/General Services - $75 annual fee for first location and $25 for each additional location for most, plus an additional fee of 0.384 percent on aggregate receipts in excess of $50,000 per month.
Agreement in principle (See Chapter 42 of the Vernimmen)
The agreement in principle is one of the stages of private negotiations. Agreement in principle spells out the terms and conditions of the sale. The commitments of each party are irrevocable, unless there are conditions precedent, such as approval of the regulatory authorities.
http://www.vernimmen.com/html/glossary/definition_agreement_in_principle.html
40K here.
OT - I didn't know that. He was one of the greats. Thanks for the info.
I guess your not an Animal House fan....
That says it all. eom
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Probably. With the amount of 504's they need to sell to get this puppy off the ground a buyout is all the hope I see (IMO). Unless they deal with the 33 million shares. That might put some pep in the old boy. I won't hold my breath. I just don't see how JB and co and realistically hold out for $3.50 a share when the pps is a nickle. As that ever happened before? I've never heard of a company that has pps of a nickle begin sold for dollars. Does anyone know of any?
My first question would be: Please update us on the status of the review of the 33 million shares. Thanks. This has to be the sore spot of sore spots.
55,000 shares here. eom
Thanks, I missed that <eom>.
Has it been confirmede that Medify is in buyout talks? The only thing I've seen is Geetar's message....
Is there something wrong with my thinking here:
Market cap is 6.2 million with a share price of 10 cents.
The company has a product.
They are the only one with access to the NHS.
They have sold some of the product (120?).
The NHS potential alone is 1.2 billion dollars.
Shouldn't the market cap be more like 62 million dollars? I understand that if there are no buyers the PPS will not rise. I guess my question is where are the buyers that see potential here? It would seem that even with 10 or 20 million additional shares floated it shouldn't make that much difference. Even a 10% penetration is 120 million. What am I missing?
Everyone on this board is also responsible for the war in Iraq, hunger in Africa and various celebrity beaver shots floating around the web.
I totally agree. Just wish this dog would hunt.
If I were trying to sell the company for say $3.50 a share. This is exactly the type of PR I would want. Show them what they may be missing. I still don't agree with the R/S and the award of shares. However, hope has gone up a little bit. Instead of calculating the number of years I'll be able to write this one off for tax losses.....
None. That's why I don't post often. Just felt the need to vent a little. I haven't written emails to Vodaphone or Medify, but I do get tired of hearing the same old complaints from Medify about the shareholders. I feel the reverse split and the award of 33 million shares to themselves was the same as spitting on me. I like to spit back, if only in a very small way. Saying rosy platitudes won’t help this stock either. I don’t think positive or negative will have much effect at this point. As has been stated before by everyone else here, only sales, sales, sales will win the day. I’m still not convinced that this isn’t a scam.
The only way THAT will happen is with a reverse split.
OH, wait a minute ...
So once again they blame the shareholders. I long for the days when Medify cared about the shareholders like JB did:
Jonathan Bryant, Executive Chairman, said: "It is a very exciting time for the management of all Medify Businesses, our customers and especially our shareholders. The planned float will not only strengthen our position but will introduce financial support into subsidiaries to enable us to accelerate our plans under our own steam with dedicated team specifically charged to deliver in each country. From a shareholder perspective, for each and every share held on the day before the public float, they will receive, at no cost, the same number of free trading stock in the International floated company."
"Best for our customers, stability and success for the company and reward for our supporting team of shareholders."
OH, wait a minute...
Can you explain why? I have yet to see anything that would make me want to purchase more. I'm in a holding pattern for now.
OOps, that wasn't meant to be directed at you personally.
Fat, drunk and medified is no way to go through life, son.
Give a Hoot, don't dilute! EOM
I hope so. Would love to see some positive press for this stock.
Does anyone know what's up? I can't find any news pos or neg.
I agree!
They aren't showing my buy request of 10000 @ .15.....
Didn't some say that the next update would be on Jan 8th due to the holidays?
I truely hope your right. Maybe it's my faith in Medify that has taken a hit. I'm just going to sit tight and see what happens.
My guess is not much to talk about. Either they generate revenue, accept a buyout offer or it becomes a tax write-off. I'm guessing I'll have to do number 3. I hope not, but I think hope is in short supply.
Three blonds appear before St. Peter. St. Peter shakes his head and says “look, if just one of you can tell me the true meaning of Easter, I’ll let all three of you into heaven.” So the first blond says: “Um, that’s where the fat man in the red suit gives everyone presents?” St. Peter <annoyed> “no, next”. The second blond gives it a try: “Isn’t that when everyone puts on funny outfits and gets a lot of candy?” St. Peter <annoyed> “no, next”. Finally the last blond exclaims: “I know the true meaning of Easter! That’s when Jesus Christ our Lord was crucified and laid in a cave and three days later the stone rolled away and Jesus came out and saw his shadow and there will be 6 more weeks of winter…..
That happened to me as well. I purchased Dec 1st and received the dividend on those shares.
Correct me if I'm wrong but MCA's point is that a dividend of shares would be a bonus. If the share price is .10 on Monday and I have 100 shares (worth $10), I would receive 25 and my account would now be worth $12.50. A split adjusts the price automatically. Just like the 1/12 reverse split adjusted 12 times the closing price so that the monetary amount did not increase or decrease. Of course we all know that market forces/other factors took over and we are where we are today.
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