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YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNN!!!! BOP returns after a long dragon nap.
As you may or may not know dragons, especially old dragons are notorious for taking very long naps. Often long enough for the people to forget who they are and what they do.
Well, I am back. I'll be circling overhead for a bit, 'til I get my bearings (or bullings) as the case may be.
Old friends are welcomed. As may be new friends. Old enemies will be ignored. New enemies... well let's hope we don't have to deal with any new enemies!
of course one could consider the possibility of whether or not *anyone* could be more fucked up than this place
dang it! I thought you were a pessimistic optimist!
now if only the CMKX crowd would jump on board I could really cash in! hahahaha
Oh! that's right...
they have all their money tied up in that one.. waiting for it to shoot to the moon!
four times now since June I've at least doubled out on the options as this stock runs, not to mention a couple of select covered calls along the way. I daresay I've made more in the last few months with this one issue than the entire CMKX crowd as collectively profited during the same period (except for my friend oldblue, he's smart enough to keep making money).
and people wonder why I don't play the pennies.
it's actually almost doubled since I started following it in June, and I do feel confident there is more to come. <g>
DHB Industries, Inc. +2.49
on 5x normal volume.
It's nice to get one right once in a while <g>
have a good night everyone!
those were the days!
they don't make football players like they used to.
though the Arena League comes close. Play for the love of the game and the adoration of the fans.
I never said being a christian was easy...
and if you recall I stated that the "love thy neighbor" edict is in some cases almost impossible, leave it to you to cite perhaps the most difficult case of all.
BTW, it does not mean that we don't expect persons like Arafat or Bin Laden to avoid the consequences of their sins. The only way I can reconcile "love thy neighbor" in many cases is to "hate the sin, not the sinner".
FTR, I'm not "selling" this to anyone, it just happens to be what I believe to be right. I do not hide it, and you (and anyone else) can take it or leave it as you so desire.
I do understand very well the constitutional process, Federal and State. I'll also remind you that I am not passing or vetoing any laws. I agree completely that any laws passed that have an impact constitutionally *SHOULD* be reviewed. and if they don't pass the constitutionality test should be thrown out.
I do not agree that a lot of editing will be done to the constitution. Laws will be presented to congress, voted on and if passed sent to the white house for the president's signature, unless he vetoes, it then becomes law. IF (and that is a big if on purpose) there is enough support and an opportunity to make a case against a law being unconstitutional, then it can be presented to the courts for review. If the court deems the law unconstitutional it goes bye bye. If not you'll have to live with it.
I am not completely certain what you hope to gain by continuing this discussion. It's clear you feel that this administration is going to do great harm to this country (ransacking the constitution primarily). I disagree.
It's also highly unlikely that either of us will alter the other's perception, though time will certain prove one of us right and the other wrong.
I appreciate your candor and the reasonable demeanor with which you have presented your case, but I grow bored with political discussion very quickly. I thank you for the attention and have a good day.
As I told my republican friends when they became fretful at Clinton's election... I doubt he will accomplish as much as you fear he will, the opposition will find a way to keep him in check and ultimately everything will work out.
I repeat that comment for you and other democrats now fretting over Bush and his agenda.
Your last sentence shows how little you understand what Bush is about.
and for that matter what christianity is supposed to be about.
Absolutely Arafat was a terrorist. But, in the eyes of real christianity... you still have to "love thy neighbor". It's never easy, and sometimes it almost impossible.
As for the gay marriage ban...
Bush feels (as do many in this country apparently) that marriage should be between a man and a woman. So he said so.
Since you wish to open this can of worms... let's look at the other side.
As we all are (or should be) aware, the Gay and lesbian community has been actively working for many years to get a legal legitimized status (ala race, creed, religion) so that they can force employers, governments, etc. to treat them "special" (ala affirmative action).
one thing I learned from my father, if you want to know why something happens... follow the money.
We are told gays need to be allowed to be married because with a marriage certificate a gay surviving spouse would be entitled to all the benefits now granted to widows & widowers. Insurance policies, Social security, so forth and so on.
basically, they want to access money that currently they cannot. Money that currently stays in the hand of the government and insurance companies. On a smaller scale the families of the deceased are often opposed to the relationship and as we have seen in many battles over last wills even in hetero couples, it can get pretty nasty.
You seem upset because Bush, as president, spoke out on a topic you feel he should have remained quiet on.
I dare say that even without a presidential endorsement, most of the states in this country would vote for a gay marriage ban given the chance.
I personally have a problem with judges dictating morality or immorality. For years now the left has pushed it's agenda through the courts rather than legislation.
And perhaps that is the real reason so many liberals feel distraught. They realize that Bush can place a roadblock in their agenda that could take decades to overcome.
Since I don't consider myself to be significantly smarter than everyone else, I suspect a lot of folks that think and feel the way I do saw this election as an opportunity to stop the moral decay in this country... or at least slow it down for a while.
Please, let's not confuse morality and religion.
two completely different ideas they are.
for some reason though, it seems that the definition of "morality" has become somewhat "skewed".
For many it seems that "morality" can change as one moves from one place to another or from one age to another.
For me, morality is simply the personal answer to the question of right and wrong. And right and wrong should be universal ideas. Sadly they are not.
Some discover true morality thru religion, as that is one of the better purposes of religious constructs. some discover morality without the aid of religion too. Of course there are plenty of examples where exposure to religion seems to have had no positive effect on the morals of a number of individuals.
It is clear though that you and I are dancing around the issue of whether or not our president will push a "Christian agenda" and what it would mean for this country if he does.
Having discovered a long time ago that christians are people too, complete with all the failings and potential for destruction as the most heathen pagan ever to walk the earth, I can understand the trepidation that seeing so openly religious a president could engender among the anti-religious, especially the radically anti-religious. I can also understand the wailing and gnashing of teeth among the gay and lesbian communities.
But, I will venture a prediction of the kind I don't usually make. I suspect we won't hear much more about a gay marriage ban amendment. Maybe for a few more months but nothing truly serious. I also suspect that over the next couple of election cycles most states will move to ban non-heterosexual marriages as well as refusing to recognize those that do. Because of the time frame involved in passing an amendment (remember the ERA movement?), it is highly likely that the States will render it moot before it can ever get to a vote.
I also believe that , ultimately, the things that GW will be able to push through will benefit this country more than harm it in the long run. At worst he'll do no more harm than Clinton did in his second term.
Got any preferences?
there's more than one??? <g>
I realize a lot of folks fear that this administration will legislate away our freedoms, too many checks in place for that to happen. for starters any real attempt would be challenged vigorously by the ACLU and others. Seriously look how far they got with the "under God" pledge challenge. Do you seriously think they won't be successful in overturning something truly attempting to legislate morality???
I really don't understand this "fear" that seems so pervasive. As a nation we have had leaders far more "religous" than the current leadership and we have had leaders with obviously no morals whatsoever. We have survived as a nation regardless.
Despite Republican efforts, and much conservative hand wringing, Clinton did not end "America" as we know it.
Despite Democrats efforts, and much liberal hand wringing, Bush won't either.
One final note, regardless of Rodney King's plea... WE CAN"T just all get along. It is this disagreement, this conflict of ideas that make this country great, for out of those disagreements, out of that conflict come the great compromises that give us what is best for everyone.
moi?
I would never tinker with the constitution...
I was speaking of the populace, as with all things, each being will seek it's own level and perform according to it's abilities.
Morality had been on the wane but now appears to be returning once again to the forefront. I have no doubt however that it's decline and rebirth will continue to cycle... perhaps again within my lifetime.
Cant they be both???
smarter AND moral???
not to bust anyone's bubble...
but it's November 9 and Jennings is still on Jeopardy, though not to 2.5 million yet.
next two weeks are the college championship series so I'm guessing he could still be on past Thanksgiving! <g>
any way you look at it it's still an amazing run.
LMAO...
the last line got me...
"As Canadians, you'll have to learn to embrace and use all the products and culture of Americans, while bad-mouthing their way of life," he said
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that most of the new applicants have been practicing to be Canadian for years...
hosers <g>
yeah, I get it...
full on war, not a problem...
but the info box sez differently... you should look into getting the moderator to more accurately reflect the sentiment of the board.
ciao
I just wanted to publicly compliment you on your ability to discuss political ideas without raving, namecalling, belittling, etc.
Having had a wee tiff with a few radical left wingers over at NBP (nothing but politics), I appreciate our conversation all the more...
while you poke inmates... *I* poke the arrogant self-serving elitist snobish types wherever I find them.
thanks tim
but here on the THIRD most popular political board on IHUB, they aren't interested in anything beyond Bush bashing and pumping themselves up.
I must say I haven't been impressed by the allegedly educated here at NBP.
One thought that strikes me as funny though...
they make a point of highlighting the flip-flop of the "uneducated" from the Dems to the Reps (according to Harris) and then get up in arms crying fraud when the vote shows that many registered Dems appeared to have voted Republican!
Looks to me like the Harris poll could be right after all... as all of the uneducated Democrats finally wised up and switched parties at the voting booth! <g>
Which will leave all the elitist, overeducated, pompous, radical left wingers here at NBP free to stamp their feet and pitch a fit among themselves.
BTW, I wonder if Alec Baldwin will leave the country this time... and if he'll take a few bozos with him??? It couldn't hurt!
one final thought for you fine people here at NBP...
HAVE FUN STORMIN' THE CASTLE!!!!!
as much as I have enjoyed this...
I must leave you now to attend a retirement party for some (as you would call them) fellow whacknuts. Have fun here at your little corner of the world and don't forget to change that header!
and have some cheese with your whine.
so you only believe Harris polls?
once the Board moderator goes for the namecalling...
you really should change that header.
No...
I do think the war is worth fighting... I beleive we are heading in the right direction and I do approve of the job Bush is doing.
I also was not impressed with any of Kerry's "solutions" to the challenges facing this country today.
You're not going to make me pull up links, are you?
Zogby was calling Kerry ahead in enough states to carry the EC at 3PM on 11-2-04 the market tanked the cable channels were reporting it.. it was all over the internet. There are even posts about it here on IHUB!
and if you beleive everything you've ever seen in a poll...
I have some land here in FL to sell you.
The joke is on you...
I am simply testing the veracity of the board info...
RE: All political views are allowed as well as the labeling of politicians and their supporters with whatever adjectives you want except of messages with personal attacks towards another poster and/or using foul language
Apparently it's ok to call someone stupid, a hypocrite, etc. as long as said someone is a conservative. You should change the header, obviously I and my ILK am not welcome here.
again, thank you for playing.
why thank you!
are these the same pollers that had Kerry winning the election at 3pm est on Tuesday?
Polls can be skewed to show whatever they want to show.
I did not realize our inner cities were so full of such highly educated people.
I see...
so what we have here is an alleged group of persons that feel the newly elected president shound be impreached and only you have the guts (I'll use smaller words to make you feel better) to stand up and call me stupid, hypocritcal and who knows what else in these alleged PM's.
So far I would not call what you are doing talking... for the most part you been insulting.
That you and your alleged supporters feel justified in chanting, baying, crossing your fingers or whatever wishing for total chaos in this country speaks volumes about your collective character. I for one am grateful your ILK did not prevail in the last election, and I will be certain to put forth my own best effort to see to it that your ILK never do.
Oh BTW... I should have said this after your first response...
Thank you for playing.
Ahem...
you really don't understand why we are in Iraq... and unfortunately I don't have time to explain it to you, Though I will agree it is not for the reasons most think it is, nor those expressed publicly before we went in.
One of the unfortunate results of war is that young men die. By and large, those same young men fighting and dying support President Bush and the war itself. they honor the sacrifice made by their fellow Americans. Do you?
Since you mentioned Clinton's near impeachment, While the Republican party did engender that action, I personnally did not agree with it for the reasons I've already stated. Though I had/have no respect for him, it was political gamesmanship at it's worst. However had he been a man with a moral backbone the situation would never have come up.
Once again you revert to namecalling and disrespect of my opinion and continue to demonstrate a predilection for insouciance to your fellow citizens.
I accept your differing opinion...
I object to your comment wishing for a situation to arise that would justify disgracing a sitting American President. Regardless of "who" is President, such a situation would be a disaster for this country.
That was uncalled for, unnecessary and tantamount to wishing for an assassination.
no...
the problem is you are unwilling to accept my differing opinion.
failing to "convince" or "convert" me from the error of my ways you resort to namecalling to obfuscate the weakness of your argument.
You are right and I am wrong and if I don't agree I must be a stupid, uneducated, thoughtless whacknut.
by taking such an intractable position you invite the vitriol you found so displeasing elsewhere. And in a sad sort of way you gain satisfaction when your opponents drop to your level and return the favor using their crude responses as "justification" for your initial assessment.
I see.
pondering what a "dick" sounds like...
perhaps...
Richard Nixon
"I am not a crook!"
after prompting by Dan Rowan
"Goodnight Dick!"
Interesting...
I had no idea you were so gifted as to know the minds of the majority of Bush Voters. To state as a fact what "the majority" ignored or did not ignore is arrogant at best.
I agree that for many gay marriage was/is an important issue. However, I doubt the efforts of Evangelicals had any more effect on the outcome than a number of other special interest groups efforts. Were not the democratic supporters elated over the result of their efforts to turn out the "black" vote in Pennsylvania Florida and other states. Even the British got in on the action!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&e=7&u=/usatoday/20041105/ts_usatoday....
Again, if your choice had been victorious you would not be complaining about the "whacknuts" that won... and undoubtedly there would those that you now call whacknuts bemoaning the whacknuts that somehow had elected Kerry.
My point to all this is that things would work better for everyone, if we ALL learned to respect each other, regardless of how wrong we might think the other might be.
what you wished for... a sitting president impeached and disgraced... would be a bad thing for our entire country, regardless of what political affiliation the president facing such a disaster might be.
Please note that I am not asking you to rethink your political values, indeed just the opposite is encouraged as long as they are based on (as you put it) an intelligent, educated, thoughtful process. Just remember you don't have a monopoly on intellect, education or thoughtfullness.
you imply...
by saying We are the intelligent, educated thoughtful voters who look at the issues and vote based not on emotions or religious ideology, or by what our ministers are telling us to do, but by using common sense.
that eveyone that does not vote as you do is not an intelligent, educated thoughtful voter who looks at the issues and votes based not on emotions or religious ideology, or by what our ministers are telling us to do, but by using common sense.
and that my dear is where your intellect and education do you no service.
Just because someone else looks at the same facts and sees them differently does not give anyone carte blanche to begin assigning derogatory monickers with gleeful abandon.
as I have often pointed out, when one side of an argument resorts to namecalling, the argument has ended and a fight has begun.
what price are you willing to pay for such a result?
would you give up your life? the lives of your friends and family?
Would you be willing to surrender your freedom?
speaking as one you might refer to as a "whacknut"...
while I would have been greatly disappointed had the election gone your way, I do not refer to you and those who think like you as whacknuts or any other similarly derogatory terms.
What many seem to fail to grasp is that it is the great debate between these two ideals that make this country what it is. The inevitable compromises that result from this debate... more often than not, are the "right" thing for the country.
We shall see what the next four years bring. Eight years of Clinton did not result in the end of the world, I doubt eight years of Bush will either.
shouldn't that response be...
No Brown Material?
or you could follow the Carlin method and spell it with two O's
Permit for rebuilding self esteem...
Hmmmm, lemme see... plans to rebuild self esteem by belittling and harrassing morons, imbeciles and mental pygmies. Additional improvements acheived by delivering sharp puns and opining with an acerbic wit.
Plans approved, that'll be $29.95
<g>
all this tearing down and rebuilding...
Did you get the proper permits?
Remember that you must submit plans to the proper authority BEFORE you begin a project of this nature. Said plans must be approved and the proper fees paid before beginning construction. Depending on your local laws demolition may also require a permit.
<g>
Some post-election thoughts...
1. The American people are smarter that the Democrats thought...
2. Wall Street was definitely in favor of GW...
Let me expand on this...
Late in the day, while the polls were still open, the exit polls were showing Kerry with the upper hand...
Both statements above hinge on this fact.
1. The exit polls were obviously in error, as the networks admitted as the night progressed. Either the pollers tried to skew the election by reporting favorably for Kerry (thus discouraging Potential Bush voters that had not voted yet) or those being polled deliberately misled the pollers.
Whichever way it went you have to hand it to the American people for either fooling the "experts" or for not falling for the media game.
2. As the "news" flitered out via the cable channels and the net, the indices promptly tanked... and rebounded nicely this morning when the truth was clear. Further If you watched closely there was a clear correlation between market gains and losses and the "closeness" of the polls. When Bush pulled away the market went up, as Kerry closed the gap the market went down.
As a result I think we are in for the mother of all Santa Claus rallies. A lot of money has been on the sidelines awaiting the outcome of the election.
I hope everyone does well for the rest of this year and for the next four.
Janice has her own wing???!!!!
she must be so proud!
BTW, looks I'm sitting smack dab in the middle of another cane, wish me luck and see you guys on the other side!
hey!
they let you out of jail!
so...
what's it like?
<g>