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Q4 2020 from my understanding
Anybody call CP Baker yet?
I KNOW trying to make this venture happen takes a great deal of time and effort. I am certainly not discounting that. I also am not saying that because we don't hear anything NOTHING is happening. I am simply saying that without reasonable updates (quarterly would make sense) it does not surprise me at all that there is the constant criticism of Bailey and this stock. Hell, I'm close to joining in, that is if you don't consider my recent posts "bashing" anyway. So just as it is the company's choice and right to not put out news, it is also the right of shareholders to want to know what is going on and to be updated on how their hard-earned money is being put to use. Nothing irrational about that. I am a believer that everything is OK behind the scenes and it is just taking longer than expected (and hoped) but that at the end of this we will all be happy. But at this point my only basis for that belief is I have way too much invested here to have it go any other way. Too much BS being thrown around here and not enough substance. I'm sick of people throwing Nelson Rose into the conversation as justification of this investment? How is his "reputation on the line" as someone just posted? Gimme a break. That is the kind of nonsense on this board that makes the overall story smell bad. If I am mistaken please correct me. GLTA
BTW, if ATIG is answering all these questions now and engaging with shareholders as they seem to have been doing does this mean that CP Baker is no longer involved? I think someone should give them a call and find out. I'm overseas and would rather not place that call if somebody else can. It just seems odd that after they brought CP on they directed all calls to them, but now they seem to have gone back to answering themselves. What gives?
Diluting your shares by 150% over the course of a single year is not a very realistic path to becoming a billionaire. What a future billionaire would be doing is be buying shares back from the public. What a future billionaire would do is squeeze every last penny to maximize the return, not sloppily plow through capital. Of course some of the expenses here are legitimate, but I suspect if you went through the financials closely you would question much of what you see. Why do you think they still don't have their audit completed?
A future billionaire would minimize his annual salary and back-load compensation with options to profit handsomely when success is achieved. So I don't think your post really applies to our situation Stew. I am a long-term shareholder here and I can understand why criticism is rampant on this board. Many of these "bashers" are likely what the market would typically refer to as "activist shareholders," but here we are talking about penny land so much of the criticism is passed off as par for the course with this type of investment. I for one just wish we would be kept updated quarterly with progress. Is that too much to ask? I think not. So in the absence of even annual updates I don't think anyone should be surprised that people question if this is "REAL" or something else.
What do you guys think happens first - A) a participating Tribe is announced, B) Holiday Greeting is removed from the ATIG site, OR C) the Holiday Greeting stays up and is used again for next Christmas?
I would be OK if B happened first (like tomorrow) with A followed shortly thereafter (like next week). I just hope giving that third choice of C doesn't come back to haunt me!
I agree, but you guys need to understand many of us have been in this a VERY long time and have VERY meaningful investments in this company. To wait around until the end is not an option for me. I don't have a few thousand bucks into this. I am deep. I don't think given my patience and commitment to ATIG an update is too much to ask. I was expecting it before the end of 2011. To have us in to February now is discouraging to say the least.
While I agree "no news" is a very real possibility, I was speaking to an investor who is much more savvy than I am and he thought if perhaps ATIG sold a big block of shares to a finance company to raise operating capital and that company was using MAXM to unload the shares content to make .001 on each trade, AND if ATIG's intention was to do right by the shareholder and increase the pps, any relevant news now might not have an effect if there was a MM there with a boatload of shares to sell. The only real good news I can think of at this point is that MAXM must have less than 400,000,000 shares left! Hopefully less than 40,000,000 but who knows.
Guys, I am admittedly very discouraged. Very surprised we haven't received an update from the company by now. Maybe they do have news and are just holding it back until the shares from MAXM are blown out? Your guess is as good as mine. I do know I am finished listening to rumors because the boy can only cry wolf so many times before I am through listening. So how many shares does MAXM have left? The only way I can see us getting close to that number is to look at the 2,046,530,051 issued shares given in the latest filing and from that date add up the shares sold. Whatever that number looks like subtract it from 2,500,000,000 and I think that's about as close as we can estimate to how many shares MAXM has left to unload. It could be a big number which is scary. My thinking is the company will unload all of the shares before they file the 10 to uplist. So this sounds a lot like "hurry up and wait" which is frustrating for someone who has been very deep into this play for years. I don't know if "soon" applies to ATIG anymore. It sure hasn't been a word that had much behind it over the past few years it has been used. Please somebody tell me why I'm wrong. I have millions upon millions of reasons why I hope I am.
This sucks. Very discouraged we haven't gotten an update. If it is indeed true that ATIG is paying CP Baker I would sure as hell like to know what it's for! Seems to be just a credentialed answering service at this point.
I understand that has been the arguement and there is hopefully some truth to that, but we can only lean on it for so long. My feeling is that we have exceeded that grace period and for me this month will be very telling. GLTA
I am very bipolar when it comes to ATIG. I have a big position and some days I am excited about what I dream is coming "soon" and other days (today) I am just down about it and start thinking what someone pointed out a few posts ago and how they pay themselves well and have yet to deliver anything. That behavior is simply not consistent with a successful start-up no matter how you slice it. I don't think this is bashing, this is just calling it as I see it. Trust me I have no motivation to bash, I have millions of shares of this. I didn't sell when it hit .03 in the spring. Foolish? Well so far it looks that way. I just hope after all the time and money people like me have invested into this company that they do right by us and update us on their progress. Or even lack of. Just tell us something. But give us the truth! We certainly deserve that at a minimum.
You know I respect your opinion but I think it's safe to assume ATIG has no pockets or else the handling of these shares that have been dumped over the last 12 months makes even less sense. Maybe a future partner may have deep pockets but until that is announced we can't count on it. I do think this next year is essential for this company. If they don't capitalize on their advantages in 2012 and lay credible groundwork they become much less of a threat. This doesn't mean they aren't currently in the driver's seat. I believe they are. But they need to get off the local road and on to the highway!
I believe ATIG will update shareholders this month and in the process the picture will become more complete. I however don't subscribe to the belief that they and the Indians have nothing to be concerned with and have this all locked up. My view is that they need to lock it up NOW because the deep pockets of competitors will diminish a head start unless it is a substantial one. Let's go ATIG, the time is NOW!
EasyMoney, wow, it must be raining in Tahiti if you are posting for hours, no?
The typos are a result of the person typing in WORD and then pasting the content in. What a dumb ass you are. And I would bet any amount of money you are nowhere near Tahiti! And if you are, how pathetic it is that you are checking into a Penny Stock message board! Email me a picture of your boarding pass and I'll send you a check for $5k.
Why is ATIG not soaring???? If not now then when? We need something more than "soon" and rumors, we need management to update shareholders on progress. Announcement of tribes and "going live" was to have happened this year. What about Thunderball? I understand delays, but be accountable for them.
Not good. ATIG better pick up the pace. Without a large partner I'm very concerned. Their lack of resources could result in them getting left behind.
Interesting Aristocrat already has sold a Tribal casino on their platform!
"The company has sold its gaming platform, Oasis 360, to Maryland Live, a casino to open in June, and to Island Resort & Casino, a tribal casino in Harris, Mich. Both are to launch by April 1."
Why is Island Resort & Casino not on board the TGN?
Hunter, believe me I am clear on all that. My issue with Grubes post was in response to the following:
"People are playing for real money outside the U.S. with the software ATIG/TGN/Cake is providing."
Simply not the case. Cake is simply the poker provider for the TGN. When it goes live the Cake platform will be the one used and Cake will benefit either through a license payment or a share of revenue I assume.
I think "you're probably wrong" sounds about right. Grubes, I appreciate your pro-ATIG attitude on this board, I am LONG and have been in this for years in a very big way, but it's comments like these that fuel the bashers. Where did you get the idea that this was in any form LIVE at this point? You have me very confused.
So if that's the case why is there no revenue hitting the books of ATIG? I think you are misinformed here Grubes.
Kinda wish I hadn't seen this. It makes it sound like play-for-fun is what's coming. Everyone already offers this so if that's Phase 1 we would appear to be behind our competition. What about capitalizing on our head start offered up by the NIGC and DOJ? Come on Don! Let's clarify what's going on here because what's leaking now is not what most of us signed up for! We need a fast-track to revenues!
I saw that in today's Journal. Definitely available online. Article headline "Nevada Set for Online Poker" if you are searching for it. Interesting still no public awareness that ATIG can offer legal alternatives NOW. Why has no one picked up on this yet? And if they have why is it not news-worthy? Very frustrating as a long-term investor in this company. When (if ever) does this company become part of the discussion?
This certainly is not acting like news is imminent although I also have been hearing all the rumors. Big share dumps at .022 and .024 before close and then they paint the tape with 5,000 shares at .0029 right at the end. Had I known ATIG would be looking like this right now I would have lined up a seasonal job for the holidays! lol
Brutal day. Spread was .0024/.0026 toward the end of it. Looks like they painted it to close at .0029.
I am as LONG as anybody in this and have a great deal at stake. I just hope any PR announcement or NEWS can be done in conjunction with the company pulling back on their selling of shares. Without that any upside we might experience will be limited at best.
I have heard all the rumors and like what I hear. I think those of us who believe in the story know the current price is strictly a result of the company financing operations. Remove them as a seller and the stock will trade where it should. With an announcement of what Tribes are on-board I don't see why this shouldn't shoot up to .03-.05 even before anything launches. The only missing link at this point for the public to get behind this are the Tribes. With that announcement I bet Pokers**t disappears for good and those of us who stuck around through the hard times will be laughing all the way to the bank. GLTA
As annoying as your posts have become I admit that video was actually quite funny! Beyond that I'd be willing to bet you aren't going anywhere near Tahiti! Probably more like Lake Michigan for you Easy. Enjoy the surfing. Yeah right. You are really living a luxurious life from the spoils of your investing prowess.
Volume is picking up which is a good sign, I just wish the increase could move the needle a little!
I don't disagree. They should update us. After all this is a public company. I think that is one of the areas CP Baker will improve on. I would be very discouraged if December passed and we didn't have an update from them.
I hear you, but again I believe it is compliance holding this up and it is only a matter of time. After that is handled I believe we get the announcements we've been waiting. I don't have any inside info or anything other than my gut feeling. I just saw this - Zynga Poker has 30million members? Are you kidding? Imagine if ATIG could steer some of them to the TGN?
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39041/Zynga_Poker_Debuts_On_Google_TV.php
I can't disagree with this Yaboy, although I certainly hope you are wrong about the split. I also can't really disagree with PC. At this stage it really is all about the Tribes. If ATIG has them we are in good shape and should be very happy in 2012. If they don't well I don't even want to contemplate that right now! My honest belief is that although Tribes may indeed have committed to this, the compliance related to their compacts is the main reason behind this delay and we should be getting news and an initial list of participating Tribes shortly. I really believe that. With that type of news announced we will finally be on the map! All the Bailey-haters will feel like fools for not being on board and the money he may have been paid over the years will look like a bargain. My money is firmly behind that belief. That's all I can do is place my bet. I can't worry about anyone else. You either are in or you aren't. I'm in.
ATIG should. While I appreciate you trying to clue me in to how buying and selling works PAPI what you are missing here is the seller is the company. If it is MAXM right now who they are using to sell shares so be it. Shareholders are not selling 95% of the shares be sold, the company is. While I understand it is in lieu of revenue at this point I hope CP Baker can step in with a more shareholder-friendly financing solution. As soon as that happens we should see upward movement in the pps. Until it does happen though we likely go nowhere.
Yeah, and then they drop ask again! So silly. Why don't they respect the shares and make buyers pay more????? I don't get it.
Raise the ASK Donald why sell these shares at .003? Come on! You should be selling shares at .03!!!!!
I agree 100% with that. As frustrating as these past years have been it does seem like things are coming together behind the scenes.
With them saying they are "going LIVE in November" I would hope they could get us something else BEFORE Thanksgiving but probably wishful thinking. Sooner the better obviously but please don't give a date if you can't deliver on it. Not a good look.
I imagine it will be to institutional and high-networth individuals that CPB has relationships with. I dont think ATIG would bother with this step if they didn't have juice behind what they were doing. It's time however for them to unveil what that is. GLTA
If ATIG stops selling shares the ASK will jump to .004+ instantly
The fact CP Baker is invovled leads me to believe there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to yet. Certainly the current financials are not why they are involved. We all know that isn't a pretty picture. We also know the upside potential here is massive and I would think they have some idea of what that is currently looking like.
I wish they could raise the ASK. Tired of seeing them sell shares at .003
I don't know who is removing your posts but that's not cool. The board should be able to determine what is relevant or not. I am a LONG here but smart enough to consider both sides of an issue. I imagine RedHorse is involved for Tribal connections. Hopefully she didn't lose the ATIG account because she wasn't bringing Tribes to the table. Best case IMO is that they are both involved. RedHorse to work on Tribes and CPB to clean up the public side of ATIG. GLTA