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EEE news and information:
http://evergreenenergy.blogspot.com/
Evergreen Energy News and Information on this very shady company:
http://evergreenenergy.blogspot.com/
The Evergreen Energy Scam
Matt ran off you delusional father that is all. And thank god for that.
No1 Coal dero got booted again,
this time trying to pass as "Energy Guru"
He got the boot!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/profile.asp?user=118703
Investors Hub Profile for Energy Guru
"It is very pro-CCTC. :)"
exactly
New Evergreen Energy Information Hub/Blog (Link)
http://evergreenenergy.blogspot.com/
Evergreen Energy's Demise
No1Spammer is on parole tomorrow!
Banned Until
no1coalking 01/22/2008 03:11:16 PM
"I seriously doubt if the TXU deal is dead. Evergreen representatives visited the TXU office during the first week of January. I doubt if they went down there to buy new cowboy boots."
maybe they went to get back the leftover kfool that TXU did not want to use. (See pic below)
also, Coalking said the deal is dead.
http://www1.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=4632&mn=4149&pt=msg&mid=3869214
Here comes the $1's. EOM
I agree!
You should first of all be angry with Evergreen for failing all these years. Naked shorting is not why they have no sales..
Then, you should be mad at the SEC for not representing the retail investor and deterring manipulation of the naked shorting rules.
Then you should be mad at yourself for being dumb enough to stick with this stock.
Don't be mad at the small retail shorts, they are only making smart choices.
Naked shorting has not killed this company and naked shorting is not why the company is on the way towards BK. The company (EEE)is where it is at because they have had no viable revenue earning product since their existence. Furthermore they have failed to materialize many of their claims in the past which is very indicative of their future.
"Why Don't Shorts Just Provide The Shares they sold?"
There is still money to be made for the shorts. Why on earth would they want to cover? It looks like the company is going bankrupt soon.
Why do you care? you are a lying long that only wants to see the company succeed.
Everyone is aware of your tricks of deception.
Why don't you go post on the long board here:http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=EEE
Raging Bull: Canadian 88 Energy Message Board
You have already ruined all the other boards for real investors.
"Another down day without the tax loss excuse."
With all the kfuel sales and kdirect build contracts:
The stock should really be at $20.
It must be all those naked short miscreants keeping the PPS down and not the fundamentals (just ask the royal coal one)
"The big question is whether or not it bounces next month."
It will, but it will also go right back down imo.
"FOR A LONG YOU ONLY HAVE A SHORT OPINION:"
It is called being "Unbiased"
http://tinyurl.com/yo932m
I am not a long, and I am not a short. I am a trader.
I tried being a "long" but you convinced me otherwise.
China Power Investment Corp. breaking ground with Peabody!
NOT Evergreen!
http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_third.cfm?NewsID=36459
GreenBiz News | Peabody Joins Chinese Clean-Coal Project
I suppose that EEE is still in the "feasibility" stages with China Power Investment. I assume that they (China Investment) have already realized feasibility with Peabody hence the ground breaking announcement.
Evergreen and China Powers Investment groups "contract":
http://www.evgenergy.com/documents/Evergreen_China_Coal_092107-extended.shtml
This is not an agreement to actually build a plant yet, but it is a noteworthy and detailed agreement involving three phases of work that, if completed successfully, would result in an engineering, procurement and construction contract being awarded for construction of a K-Fuel® plant in China.
The first phase is a feasibility study. The second is a technical services contract with Evergreen, funded by CPI, that looks at environmental, water and land use specifications related to the plant. The third phase involves detailed specifications and engineering design work to meet the specifications of Baiyinhua Coal and Power Company, the CPI subsidiary that actually signed the agreement.
If China Power Investment group ever does build a Kfuel plant it would be a long ways off, assuming feasibility studies and environmental studies etc do not happen overnight. I would guess that by the time any of this happens that other systems such as The Future Gens Alliance will be near completion?
Ans if not near completion than at least they will have an idea as to whether or not their zero emissions design is viable.
So would you think that China will spend millions of dollars to build a Kfuel processing center that would only reduce emissions some or wait for something that will be zero emission's ? I would think that they will look towards the future rather than invest in old KFx technology?
"Duke Energy Rules Out K-Fuel, Goes With IGCC."
"Wow....Was that what one might call "counter-spintelligence"?"
LOL
China Power Investment Corp. breaking ground with Peabody!
http://www.greenbiz.com/news/news_third.cfm?NewsID=36459
GreenBiz News | Peabody Joins Chinese Clean-Coal Project
I suppose that EEE is still in the "feasibility" stages with China Power Investment. I assume that they (China Investment) have already realized feasibility with Peabody hence the ground breaking announcement.
Evergreen and China Powers Investment groups "contract":
http://www.evgenergy.com/documents/Evergreen_China_Coal_092107-extended.shtml
This is not an agreement to actually build a plant yet, but it is a noteworthy and detailed agreement involving three phases of work that, if completed successfully, would result in an engineering, procurement and construction contract being awarded for construction of a K-Fuel® plant in China.
The first phase is a feasibility study. The second is a technical services contract with Evergreen, funded by CPI, that looks at environmental, water and land use specifications related to the plant. The third phase involves detailed specifications and engineering design work to meet the specifications of Baiyinhua Coal and Power Company, the CPI subsidiary that actually signed the agreement.
If China Power Investment group ever does build a Kfuel plant it would be a long ways off, assuming feasibility studies and environmental studies etc do not happen overnight. I would guess that by the time any of this happens that other systems such as The Future Gens Alliance will be near completion?
Ans if not near completion than at least they will have an idea as to whether or not their zero emissions design is viable.
So would you think that China will spend millions of dollars to build a Kfuel processing center that would only reduce emissions some or wait for something that will be zero emission's ? I would think that they will look towards the future rather than invest in old KFx technology?
WOW! Cliffhucker, do you really find that message (1129) so impressive that it merits a "WOW"?
not really.
My "wow" was for the fact that Kfuel has been in development since the 70's. i did not know this.
Shorty will rail on about the irrelevant history from the 70's and 80's because that's really all he has to talk about
what about the 90's and the 00's ? I would say there is nothing positive that has come about; especially if you look at the income statements, reports of failed contracts,train fires, dust storms etc. from the last 18 years as well. DO YOU DENY THIS?
It's been a long road but the proof is on the ground in Gillette.
From my research, KFx/EEE has been claiming they were ready for contracts for years and nothing as of yet has come from it.
They have always had something "on the ground"
This includes promises/claims from the 70's (?) 80's, 90's and 00's. Now all of a sudden you are saying what?, that those were all just bluffs and now everything is set to go? That everything else on the ground was a mistake and what they have now is 100% PROVEN? DO YOU DENY THIS?
Not being a short I have nothing to worry about if all turns around tomorrow. Believe it or not, I only play this one long in the short term making money buying low and selling on the spikes. If i am lucky I will be holding overnight when some miraculous mega contract is announced and the short squeeze of the century is upon us. The infamous December 5th "D-DAY" !
WOW!
That is a lot of failure. What makes these guys think that after 32 years that all of a sudden they will make money?
The plant is still a hod podge of engineering that has yet to produce to capacity and many issues still exist in shipping and disposal of byproduct.
They have to get a real working model that efficiently produces before anyone will want Bechtel to build them one. right? It is evident that the existing plant is far from a finished product with them constantly changing components etc.
Wrong, EEE was started in 1984.
I concur. It is highly evident that we are heading closer to $2. I think it may take a few weeks to get there but it is coming. IMO
I picked some up today at 2.48 and should have sold them at the close or AH, but I think I will be able to sell them for 2.70 Monday on a retest before closing below 2.50 on its way down to $2.
I will obviously be very careful trading this (as I have been) as not to get stuck waiting for another spike to exit on.
My core position which I hold in the ultra long shot event that some kind of contract is signed was bought with profits from trading and has been averaged down now to below 2.70 and I will continue to average it down, so it is basically the longs/house's money.
good luck to all, and to all good luck.
I agree,
the pumpers could not compete legitimately with the bashers so they had to play dirty and delete posts.
I only want it to be fair and have a venue where the BS can be openly disputed but also stay ontopic as much as possible.
Sorry, no not this board., The IV EEE board. This board just has no moderation but is a great board and I Hub is a really good website that offers a lot more than just forums.
A new unbiased and tightly moderated EEE board has been formed at Investor Village where off topic posting will not be tolerated.
you must request membership by clicking the " Join this Group" text near the top right.
http://www1.investorvillage.com/groups.asp?mb=14063&pt=m
Evergreen Energy Skeptic - InvestorVillage
What are those guys doing standing around? As a shareholder that pisses me off. Tell them to go make some kfuel or go make some sales.
"There's lots of possible alternatives out there and it's going to come down to who comes up with the most economical/clean energy that can be produced practically."
true true.
Evergreen is somewhat in the lead.
However , why has the government not funded their technology as they have with Future Gen. 74% of the plant is being funded by the DOE. They do not expect to be operable till 2012.
Or such with Great Point Energy and its record breaking financing by VC's. for 100 million $.
http://www.greatpointenergy.com/
and their technology wont be ready anytime soon either.
So my question is why hasn't the government or other VC's helped EEE get across the finish line which seems so close? If their technology is good then you would think others would want a piece of it more so than what Bechtel has done. If the Gov't was behind it it would be pumping out Kfuel like crazy. imo
EEE could do allot bet better with the government behind them making their technology the standard.
And the government could easily get EEE contracts if they were behind the technology.
What happen to the Yahoo board?
I really enjoyed wasting my time reading stuff there.
I got absolutely nothing out of lurking there but I was addicted to the characters.
Looks like EEE is on it way back oveer $3. good thing I loaded up at ~2.52 last Friday.
RIP Yahoo EEE
Bad link.
here:
http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg234/kev711/
kev711 - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
kev711's account? is he your son or something?
"Bechtel has completed new plant designs & is ready to build new plants as contracts are signed"
http://www1.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=4632&mn=3591&pt=msg&mid=3672307
Evergreen Energy, Inc . - LAST POST THIS MORNING GOING TO GILLETTE - EEE - InvestorVillage
yeah but you have to be logged in for the hide feature to work. I usually come here w/ a clean cache and just want to read. But I have to log in really quick then either go to my favorites or close the window and open it again from my link.
there are way to many charts by default. IMO
Coin , you think there will be some kind of short covering?
I don't think the RegSho rules will do anything, You still think they will?
You and coalking have been unrelenting in your pumping of "D DAY" etc.
I have a few thousand shares put aside just to sell on any possible short covering.
thanks
Nice old article
WTF?
http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/51530-sirius-satellite-radio-expecting-extreme-profitability
Sirius Satellite Radio: Expecting Extreme Profitability - Seeking Alpha
Question to consider on Naked Shorts:
The new SEC FTD rule states:
Participants that do not close out these fail to deliver positions within 35 days will, by rule, be prohibited from accepting any short sale orders or effecting further short sales in these securities until the entire fail to deliver position is closed out.
So who is to say that they have any incentive to cover phantom shares (if there even are any). They could simply not cover their FTD's and the only penalty would be that they cannot accept any more short orders (which has already happened).
So if a short HF or what not can't short any more shares then why should they cover their FTD's?
I highly doubt any short squeeze will occur without giant news from the company on a signed contract. We have seen that the shorts will not cover on simple news of the Chinese coming to Evergreen or Bechtol getting exclusivity to any future construction. These occurrences have caused only small upward spikes in the pps and are soon quelled. Although both of those (bechtol/chinese) events are positive they mean almost nothing at this time.
The contract with Bechtol is simply a contract which grants Bechtol the work should it occur. Basically Bechtol has won rights to a contract but one has not been written. And I would also think that Bechtol would have to bid on any construction and EEE will have to accept the bid. The same goes for the Chinese no actual contracts have been formed.
However , Should Evergreen come out with a PR this week saying the Chinese have committed to a $x deal then get ready for a real squeeze possibly or get ready for more dirty playing from shorts than you have ever witnessed in atemps to subdue any real movement and thus they will cover on their terms..
http://blog.evgenergy.com/blog/_archives/2007/11/16/3357322.html
Evergreen Energy :: Aligning our Interests
We believe that it’s paramount to align the interests of our employees and directors with the shareholders. After all, we work for you.
While all of our company officers and directors are already shareholders, I, along with several directors, have purchased EEE stock during this week. In addition,we have collectively raised our target commitment levels for the amount of stock that each officer and director must own, as follows:
--Directors: 5X annual retainer
--CEO: 2X base salary
--Corporate Vice Presidents: 1X base salary
These levels of stock ownership are being integrated into our corporate governance guidelines.
As I stated on the third quarter conference call, we have completed two of our goals—a successful financing and Bechtel’s agreement to build new plants—and we are working hard to deliver the third, a definitive agreement for a K-Fuel® or K-Direct plant. We acknowledge that the last few months have been difficult at times for our shareholders. We hope that this effort helps demonstrate our commitment to Evergreen Energy and our confidence in its future success.
I strive to always have unbiased and solid data not conjecture. Just because I am long does not mean I am going to dress things up, delusion is a bad thing for any investor.
The whole Buffet thing makes me think coin is #1Coal King. This is way to much fluff and does not help to accredit the rest of the post.
This is total BS. Not to take anything away from Rosier, he is a solid executive. Rosier was w/ McLane when Berkshire acquired.
They rarely spoke. Warren spoke of this in published articles where he pointed out that he left him to manage on his own etc. and barely new him otherwise.
Rosier did buy 10,000. Not a rumor.
I am sure Coal King or coin is in touch with Evergreen. They (Investor relations) told them this (insider buy) after the purchase but before the SEC4 was posted
http://tinyurl.com/2d943q
As for the other "sounds like and story suggests" from coin I tend to believe that they got this information from Karli (investor relations)as well as the heads up on the insider buys. Nothing concrete or to base any buying on but something to file away ion the DD draw.
The insider buying is real, given.
All the other things may be real but are just to spice things up for a stock that is down hard. I am really tired of hearing about supposed this and that. They may be real but are just talk right now. I want results.
Bottom line is that it all means nothing till it is real.
Proof will be performance/results., that is what I am waiting for.
I am holding some long as a pure speculative play. The money I have made trading this one almost covers my core holdings.
If EEE starts to show results and a positive long term outlook, then it is time to invest seriously.
The stock is not going to go from $3 to 100 overnight, there will be time to invest long once things start to happen.
Another pretty chart with almost nowhere to go but up
looking like a Doji is forming. But it is early yet
below the 50dma and I do not even see the 200 dma (is it off the chart?)
Coin,
that all sounds great. I am sure they are buying because the stock is cheap and they believe in the company as they have for 20+ years.
I have been (up until the last few days) actively buying and selling for some decent returns and also have a core position (bought after the CC) which I am holding long and have been averaging its cost down.
Production outlook looks/sounds good. What about the PA deal? any news on how that is going?
One thing however, Rosier is not Buffets "right hand man"
why do you say this?
Buffet has only met him a handful of times when he was running McLane. and other than that they barely even spoke on the phone.
Regards
Robert Clark makes a small Buy.
Only 25K shares. Not much but better than nothing.
I would expect all the BOD's should be buying (and more than 25K/shares) to gain some investor confidence; and they probably are just not as fast as R.Clark.
http://www.secform4.com/filings/912365/000101795107000358.htm
Sec Form 4 - CLARK ROBERT J - Evergreen Energy, Inc - for 11/13/07
http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/912365.htm
EEE Insider Trading - Evergreen Energy Inc - SecForm4.Com
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=EEE
EEE: Major Holders for EVERGREEN ENERGY INC - Yahoo! Finance
Why are we so in the red today?
Everything I have is in the green as is the DOW, S&P and NASDAQ.
I suppose the indices are not that much in the green, but my other energy stocks are?
Where is this going? Should I be buying more here or waiting?
should be interesting.
Fossil Energy Protocol between the United States and China
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/international/International_Partners/China.html
DOE - Fossil Energy: International Cooperation with China
Fossil Energy Protocol between the United States and China
The U.S.-China Fossil Energy Protocol is intended to promote scientific and technological cooperation between the United States and China in the field of fossil energy, particularly activities related to research, development, demonstration, and deployment. A complementary objective is to create opportunities for U.S. industry and power developers in China. The Protocol was originally signed in 2000 and was renewed in 2005 for an additional five years; signatories are U.S. Department of Energy and China's Ministry of Science and Technology. A Permanent Coordinating Group governs the Protocol, chaired on the U.S. side by DOE's Assistant Secretary for Fossil Energy and on the Chinese side by the Secretary General of the High Technology Bureau of MOST.
The Protocol has five Annexes under which joint projects are conducted:
Annex I: Power Systems
* Annex II: Clean Fuels
* Annex III: Oil and Gas
* Annex IV: Energy and Environmental Control Technologies
* Annex V: Climate Science
The annual Protocol Review Meeting was held in Washington in September 2007. The Chinese delegation was led by MOST Vice Minister Cao Jianlin. Two major successes have been achieved so far: an agreement between the U.S. company Evergreen Energy and the China Power Investment Corporation to conduct a feasibility study of utilizing U.S.-developed coal upgrading technology in China, the first of three phases outlined in a joint agreement to proceed; and an agreement between HTI and the Shenhua Group to use U.S.-developed coal liquefaction technology in a first-of-its-kind commercial coal liquefaction facility in China.
Along with these achievements, outreach and communications activities are underway to introduce Chinese corporations and research groups to the latest U.S. technologies in the areas of coal gasification, coal liquefaction, natural gas technology, coalbed methane recovery, acid rain control technologies, and carbon dioxide capture from power plants.
Additionally, the Protocol addresses important ongoing cooperative climate science activites including analysis of historical climate data and improvement of global and regional general circulation climate models for parts of China.
U.S.-China Energy & Environmental Technology Center (EETC)
DOE co-funds this activity with the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology. Objectives are to: (1) provide training and educational programs related to environmental policies, legislation, technology options and cost/financing of these options, (2) develop markets for U.S. clean coal technologies, and (3) help minimize the local, regional, and global environmental impact of China's energy use.
U.S.-China Oil and Gas Industry Forum
The U.S.-China Oil & Gas Industry Forum is a public-private partnership involving government and industry representatives from the United States and China. The Forum enables the two countries to meet common goals, including development of secure, reliable and economic sources of oil and natural gas while facilitating investment in the energy industry.
The Eighth U.S.-China Oil & Gas Industry Forum was held in September 2007, in San Francisco, California. High-level government officials from the U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Department of Commerce, and China's National Development and Reform Commission, along with industry executives from both the Chinese and the U.S. oil and natural gas industries were in attendance.
The Departments of Energy and Commerce co-hosted the Forum on the U.S. side and the National Development and Reform Commission was the Chinese host. Seven successful forums have been held since 1998. U.S. oil and gas industry participants consider the Forum to be an important opportunity for engagement with the Chinese.
thanks james.
yeah I did not think it is as simple as 3.5 then 3. It gets a little more micro at these levels.
It looks like it is pinned under 3.50 today on low volume.
So like you said there probably will be a small up trend in the short term here at the eod. If so I will sell a few K-shares I picked up earlier avg~3.38 and hold others. Most likely it will have the usual eom spike.
what kind of account do you need to do charts like you did? XCan you do that for free anywhere?
thanks