This has been dead money for me for a long time and while I've not been happy about it, I'm not coming out of retirement and going back to work because of this one investment. Who should be panicking now? Better cover.

I don't have a lot of time to waste fact checking all of your stats but here's one off the top of my head that I knew was false and I knew where to go and quickly refute your claim.

http://mediaroom.wm.com/waste-management-unveils-30-million-renewable-natural-gas-rng-facility-in-louisville-kentucky/

Waste Management’s 110 compressed natural gas stations deliver 60 million diesel equivalent gallons of natural gas each year. The company’s fleet of 6,700 natural gas trucks represents 30 percent of the company’s overall collection fleet. The company continues its commitment to converting its fleet from diesel to natural gas with 80 percent of new truck purchases powered by natural gas.

I'm not worried about much these days. My well being doesn't depend on this being a winner. PPS here isn't going to visit previous lows. This whole e truck stuff has been blown way out of proportion as nobody is even close bringing a long haul electric truck to market. UPS and others are going to explore multiple modes of transportation, as they should. Now that Total is in this with the engine financing cheap oil is what is holding the conversion up.

I think the share price might be rising because your post are sounding desperate, Jack. You might be better off switching from short to long.

If it tanks again I might buy more.

I averaged down on the dip and am now up about 10%. Your hero will be impeached or resign before his term is up.

So how's your boycott going? LOL

The share price has taken a beating as of late, due to a disastrous pipeline project. I'm down 14% since my purchase of shares in march.

While I'm pleased that I have a little more dead money than previously, I agree.

This reminds me of the offers that I get from cable TV providers.

Jack, when oil was at $100 they were going into debt to build the network of fueling stations to serve the long haul TL transportation market. That, to me was the premise of their business model working. They were/are dependent on some other company manufacturing an engine for those trucks. At one time I think that there would have been a demand for that engine. Not at today's oil or diesel prices. What they've done now is focus on and trying to grow what I always considered incremental revenue in the larger scheme of their original business plan. If they succeed at becoming profitable, it might warrant a share price of maybe $5 in a few years. If one is initiating their first position they might make some money over a very long period of time. Anyone who bought it earlier, between the old highs and 5 bucks is IMHO screwed.

Agree with you completely on top heavy (and overpaid) management

Jack, When oil was at $100 the company was running up debt to build the stations that make the NatGas Superhighway. The build out was completed, a lot of those stations wound up in mothballs waiting for transportation companies to switch to new engines.That part of the business plan never occurred. (Never good to have a biz plan where you have no control of major factors that determine the outcome) The point is moot and doesn't matter anymore. The capital investment that they made will not generate enough income through small vehicle usage of natural gas powered engines. They are trying to adjust but it's a futile attempt given all the money they sunk into stations for big riggs.

Regarding overpaid management, I agree completely. That's the case, IMHO @ 50% of the corporations that are publicly listed.

The business model was killed by cheap oil. They have tried to adjust but it looks like without VTECH credits they can't be profitable. The current attempts to get back to profitability without a gift from The Government might bring the company to profitability but unfortunately, I don't see the stock price going above $4-$5 a share over the next couple of years.

Now he's posting links to his posts here on SA as GS. I've reported him for abuse over there.

So Goldberg, now you know what I am doing or not doing? LOL.

I was wondering if Madco/GS might be posting any of those reviews.

Wow. That's what GS would have posted on this thread. Are you back GS?

What I got from the CC was that right now, without a tax credit they can't be profitable. That's not a good situation for any business. It gives shorts good reason to keep a lid on the stock price.

I'll verify myself, thank you.

What's the news from WPRT?

Word is? Who's word?

Nice. If you ever plan on docking in Costa Rica let me know and I'll get the first round.

Slow organic growth has taken this up. If they report a profit, don't dilute and make the right comments on the CC it'll go higher. Having said that, shorts can try and beat it down again and might succeed. The share price increase, while encouraging is still a drop of water in a very large bucket compared to where this stock was once trading.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the key to real profit and share price appreciation is long haul transportation converting to nat gas.

Nice boat, Jack. It gets cold in Vancouver. Ever take that thing south?

Wonderful. Can't wait to read the transcript.

A less miserable quarter but it still sucked.

MusclePharm Appoints Daniel Clark as UK Sales Director
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/musclepharm-appoints-daniel-clark-as-uk-sales-director-300452835.html

I saw some FitMiss product in the clearance cart at my local Winn Dixie. I also saw 3 FitMiss products on the shelves at Walgreens along with Combat.

Seeing as he wrote a bonus for selling the company @ a minimum of $14 a share into his contract I'll agree with you and hope to God that he gets his price.

Not a lot of questions on the call. here's my take on it:

They retired a lot of debt, obviously a good thing, but that and the BP sale are what account for the earnings beat. Strip that out and they lost money. They missed on revenue and margins were down.

If they can't be a profitable operation without those kinds of events or without a tax credit, it's not a good thing.

They are still waiting for the Cummins Westport truck engines. I don't care how many garbage trucks are running on Redeem, until those truck engines are filling up with NG there isn't going to be any substantial revenue or margin dollar growth.

The price will stay right around where it is for at least another Q.

The quarter didn't suck. That's about all that I got from the press release. I'll have to read the CC transcript to form a better opinion.

I saw that and was intrigued by the fact that it was Cramer who brought the subject up for discussion. I was kind of hoping for CLNE to get a mention.

Well, there you go! They can build all the stations that they want, just like the did a few years ago. The problem is that a lot of them are still in mothballs and will stay that way until tractor trailers with NG engines start moving. The company is doing a lot of good things but a real move in the PPS is predicated on the volume that those big rigs will generate. Just my opinion.

We might get a pop but if it's based on the BP deal only, it'll be temporary.

What is this? Drexler is even crazier than Pyatt when it comes to endorsements http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/musclepharm-and-munster-rugby-form-strategic-partnership-300440517.html

Trucks are the cake. The rest is nice icing. The company didn't run up all that debt building stations for passenger vehicles. We've been hearing about the WPRT engines for how long? This is where the problem has been. CLNE has done a nice job developing other revenue streams while waiting for those engines to hit the market but shareholders won't see a lot of movement in PPS until the NG powered trucks start tanking at stations that are currently built but in mothballs. Just my opinion.

I thought that Drexler wouldn't flush money down the toilette. Guess I was wrong.

NG isn't going to be big in passenger vehicles. It's the trucks. That last point was funny.

Interesting. This from page 7: While interested in attractive fuel cost differentials and demand of cleaner transportation from customers, the trucking industry has to date been reluctant to take the plunge on expensive equipment upgrades to natural gas. The logistics sector operates on thin margins and tight schedules and fueling station density is a critical issue. Barring large incentives, the conversion of heavy duty fleets to a new fuel is unlikely to take place rapidly because only 200,000 to 240,000 new vehicles come on the road each year. At present only 14% of fleets operate any vehicles on alternative fuels22. Fleet owners worry that supply chains for natural gas vehicles are not yet sufficiently robust to avoid higher maintenance costs than traditional diesel vehicles.

My understanding is that the ROI on a new engine is about 2 years and that there are a lot of companies out there with aging fleets. I read this quite some time ago and will do some research.